Comments on: UMNO’s Tuah-Jebat Dilemma http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/ for Malaysia Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:19:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-107183 ktteokt Fri, 30 May 2008 02:19:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-107183 I think Mahathir is the one and only PM of Malaysia who had 4 deputies during his term of office. Why the frequent change of deputies? From Musa Hitam to Ghafar Baba to Anwar Ibrahim to AAB? All because he has in him FEAR! The fear of being overthrown by his deputy! He simply cannot trust any of them, that's why the frequent change. But the lucky chap is AAB who finally "inherited" his position as PM. In fact, you think Mahathir favoured AAB to be his successor? From day 1 AAB took over office, Mahathir felt sore! I think Mahathir is the one and only PM of Malaysia who had 4 deputies during his term of office. Why the frequent change of deputies? From Musa Hitam to Ghafar Baba to Anwar Ibrahim to AAB? All because he has in him FEAR! The fear of being overthrown by his deputy! He simply cannot trust any of them, that’s why the frequent change. But the lucky chap is AAB who finally “inherited” his position as PM. In fact, you think Mahathir favoured AAB to be his successor? From day 1 AAB took over office, Mahathir felt sore!

]]> By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106813 AhPek Wed, 28 May 2008 16:09:17 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106813 Spot on, HJ Angus. It's my mistake and not Sathia's.Many thanks for pointing that out. Spot on, HJ Angus. It’s my mistake and not Sathia’s.Many thanks for pointing that out.

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106576 HJ Angus Tue, 27 May 2008 13:04:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106576 just want to correct one word in Sathia's letter: The word "tempered" should be replaced with "tampered" for the correct meaning. just want to correct one word in Sathia’s letter:

The word “tempered” should be replaced with “tampered” for the correct meaning.

]]> By: JeyS http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106542 JeyS Tue, 27 May 2008 04:49:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106542 Agree with most of you but we are just going around the mulberry bush! Both Abdullah and Mahathir have flaws.and boy DO THEY HAVE MANY! They were supposedly elected by 'US' the rakyat for our country! However they have sidelined everything and nothing came out of it safe except for cronies, umnoputras, 4th floor, KJ, you name it la they have it! Even if PR or Anwar comes into power...you think it will be different? Er..duh NO! We have been screwed and double screwed many times....so, as much as we say here, they will do what they want. We have just to bite our tongue and pray like crazy, that these nut cases who are running our country (which they easily dubbed as their country) has some sense of decency to run it with fairness. (I know...this is a wishful thinking that may never see the light!) ALL WE WANT IS A JUST GOVERNMENT WITH SOME JUST UNDERSTANDING AND DIGNITY FOR HONESTY AND FAIRNESS! IS THAT SO BLOODY HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!!! So Mahathir, Abdullah if you guys read this blog....go mess up your lives but leave ours out of it! We have to pay and are paying heavily for the price we picked you jokers to government! Agree with most of you but we are just going around the mulberry bush!

Both Abdullah and Mahathir have flaws.and boy DO THEY HAVE MANY!

They were supposedly elected by ‘US’ the rakyat for our country! However they have sidelined everything and nothing came out of it safe except for cronies, umnoputras, 4th floor, KJ, you name it la they have it!

Even if PR or Anwar comes into power…you think it will be different? Er..duh NO!

We have been screwed and double screwed many times….so, as much as we say here, they will do what they want. We have just to bite our tongue and pray like crazy, that these nut cases who are running our country (which they easily dubbed as their country) has some sense of decency to run it with fairness. (I know…this is a wishful thinking that may never see the light!)

ALL WE WANT IS A JUST GOVERNMENT WITH SOME JUST UNDERSTANDING AND DIGNITY FOR HONESTY AND FAIRNESS!

IS THAT SO BLOODY HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!

So Mahathir, Abdullah if you guys read this blog….go mess up your lives but leave ours out of it! We have to pay and are paying heavily for the price we picked you jokers to government!

]]> By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106530 AhPek Tue, 27 May 2008 03:29:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106530 I reproduce below an "Open letter to Mahathir' by Sathia. Dr.Mahathir, The Malaysian public in general and in particular the Indians must be glad to hear that you have left UMNO.Just as in the Sumerian story of King Gilgamesh who spent his life seeking in vain the secret short cut to eternal life, you spent your life seeking a short cut for the supremacy of Malays. It was a foolish, self-centred and parochial goal, ill suited for the global challenges of the present times. In the process you would tolerate no cherished principles of humankind to stand in your way.You would deny your Indian ancestry.You would cast yourself as a Malay in desperation to win acceptance. The Great Ghengis Khan turned to a life of crime, invading,looting and amassing wealth due to the internal shame of his birth. His mother was someone's wife stolen by his father. He hid this shame by trying to be someone more powerful than anyone could be. You did not acknowledge your birth being born to a man of Indian descent who was a Muslim as a result of colonial Muslim power. You must have felt ashamed of your Indian bloodline.You painted yourself as a perfect Malay, a super Malay and became one of the most vociferous proponents of Ketuanan Melayu along with the likes of Tun Abdul Razak. In the process you turned the peaceful and friendly Malays into religious bigots,lazy and greedy. In your haste to transform them from a rural mindset, by your actions you taught them that taking money from the non-Muslims and amassing wealth in ill-gotten ways and spending it lavishly is the fastest and easiest way towards bliss.Hurting the non-Malays' progress is the way towards enhancing the progress of the Malays.Unsupported by research data, you just prided yourself in seeing Malays are positioned everywhere.You failed to inculcate in Malays about the fundamental time-honored principles that call for sound knowledge,tolerance and skills and putting them to good use.It might take the form of courageto be able to stand on own feet despite what may come, and seek out peaceful and harmonious living with others in the country and around the world. You destroyed the education system in turning out morons as graduates who are ill-fitted to do anything meaningful.You have let brilliant minds among them not to flourish on account of race and religion.That resulted in an adverse cycle causing almost irreparable damage to the Malaysian public especially the Malays. You tempered with the judiciary, you tempered with the rights of the Sultans,you tempered with the goings on in other country on account of religion and you made many countries hate Malaysia and Malaysians. But there is hope. Start thinkingthat Malaysia is a place populated by human beings, and they require leaders who would help the nation grow as a whole. For change, you can be an Indian for a while so that you can appreciate how it feels to be an Indian living under the legacy of your government. Be a Chinese for a while, and try to understand how the Chinese are treated by the legacy of your government. The public has spoken.In fact they have been speaking for a long time-only that their voices were not heard by the likes of you.In Peninsular Malaysia, how many race-based parties have come into being since Independence?Gerakan is a multi-racial party too, failed badly despite being in power but in practice it turned out to be a mono-racial party. The best option now is for Barisan National to do away with all of its component parties and instead be a single party.Any elected representative should be able to represent anyone from any of the racial groupngs.Failing which the prospects of a genuinelymulti-racial party taking over power from Barisan National is very real indeed.Let anyone who is capable lead the nation, be he a man or woman or of any race and religion. Regards. Sathia I reproduce below an “Open letter to Mahathir’ by Sathia.
Dr.Mahathir,
The Malaysian public in general and in particular the Indians must be glad to hear that you have left UMNO.Just as in the Sumerian story of King Gilgamesh who spent his life seeking in vain the secret short cut to eternal life, you spent your life seeking a short cut for the supremacy of Malays. It was a foolish, self-centred and parochial goal, ill suited for the global challenges of the present times.
In the process you would tolerate no cherished principles of humankind to stand in your way.You would deny your Indian ancestry.You would cast yourself as a Malay in desperation to win acceptance.
The Great Ghengis Khan turned to a life of crime, invading,looting and amassing wealth due to the internal shame of his birth. His mother was someone’s wife stolen by his father. He hid this shame by trying to be someone more powerful than anyone could be.
You did not acknowledge your birth being born to a man of Indian descent who was a Muslim as a result of colonial Muslim power. You must have felt ashamed of your Indian bloodline.You painted yourself as a perfect Malay, a super Malay and became one of the most vociferous proponents of Ketuanan Melayu along with the likes of Tun Abdul Razak.
In the process you turned the peaceful and friendly Malays into religious bigots,lazy and greedy. In your haste to transform them from a rural mindset, by your actions you taught them that taking money from the non-Muslims and amassing wealth in ill-gotten ways and spending it lavishly is the fastest and easiest way towards bliss.Hurting the non-Malays’ progress is the way towards enhancing the progress of the Malays.Unsupported by research data, you just prided yourself in seeing Malays are positioned everywhere.You failed to inculcate in Malays about the fundamental time-honored principles that call for sound knowledge,tolerance and skills and putting them to good use.It might take the form of courageto be able to stand on own feet despite what may come, and seek out peaceful and harmonious living with others in the country and around the world.
You destroyed the education system in turning out morons as graduates who are ill-fitted to do anything meaningful.You have let brilliant minds among them not to flourish on account of race and religion.That resulted in an adverse cycle causing almost irreparable damage to the Malaysian public especially the Malays.
You tempered with the judiciary, you tempered with the rights of the Sultans,you tempered with the goings on in other country on account of religion and you made many countries hate Malaysia and Malaysians.
But there is hope. Start thinkingthat Malaysia is a place populated by human beings, and they require leaders who would help the nation grow as a whole.
For change, you can be an Indian for a while so that you can appreciate how it feels to be an Indian living under the legacy of your government. Be a Chinese for a while, and try to understand how the Chinese are treated by the legacy of your government.
The public has spoken.In fact they have been speaking for a long time-only that their voices were not heard by the likes of you.In Peninsular Malaysia, how many race-based parties have come into being since Independence?Gerakan is a multi-racial party too, failed badly despite being in power but in practice it turned out to be a mono-racial party.
The best option now is for Barisan National to do away with all of its component parties and instead be a single party.Any elected representative should be able to represent anyone from any of the racial groupngs.Failing which the prospects of a genuinelymulti-racial party taking over power from Barisan National is very real indeed.Let anyone who is capable lead the nation, be he a man or woman or of any race and religion.
Regards.
Sathia

]]> By: taiking http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106523 taiking Tue, 27 May 2008 02:06:03 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106523 UMNO is a lesson for PR to learn and remember. During its growing years, the party was nimble and flexible. New ideas were more readily accepted. Making structural changes (and doing it quickly) to the party was a possibility. Adapting to new situations and challenges was easy. But UMNO has now grown to the size of himalaya. Moving it would need a great deal of effort. In fact an astronomical amount of effort. A tsunami quite clearly did not work. Perhaps a disastrous 10 richter scale earthquake may do the work. And because it has remained stationary for a long time all sorts of things can grow on it, including undesirable things like cronyism etc etc. Everyone in UMNO knows very well what is needed for the party to remain relevant. But knowledge is one thing and action that brings about desired results is another. Fortunately nature has a way to put things right. The party will rot in the natural course of events and the rot will eat away (hopefully) the unnecessary bits and pieces of the party. If no drastic actions are taken to arrest the rot, then even the spirit of the party will get eroded away as well. That is when the party would collapse and die. Will the country come down with it? No. Not Malaysia. We have PR, fortunately. Change is imminent, if I may predict. But please PR, put in place now an effective mechanism which will enable the party to adapt to changes and to meet challenges rapidly, properly and effectively. UMNO is a lesson for PR to learn and remember.
During its growing years, the party was nimble and flexible.
New ideas were more readily accepted.
Making structural changes (and doing it quickly) to the party was a possibility.
Adapting to new situations and challenges was easy.
But UMNO has now grown to the size of himalaya.
Moving it would need a great deal of effort.
In fact an astronomical amount of effort.
A tsunami quite clearly did not work.
Perhaps a disastrous 10 richter scale earthquake may do the work.
And because it has remained stationary for a long time all sorts of things can grow on it, including undesirable things like cronyism etc etc.
Everyone in UMNO knows very well what is needed for the party to remain relevant.
But knowledge is one thing and action that brings about desired results is another.
Fortunately nature has a way to put things right.
The party will rot in the natural course of events and the rot will eat away (hopefully) the unnecessary bits and pieces of the party.
If no drastic actions are taken to arrest the rot, then even the spirit of the party will get eroded away as well.
That is when the party would collapse and die.
Will the country come down with it?
No. Not Malaysia.
We have PR, fortunately.
Change is imminent, if I may predict.
But please PR, put in place now an effective mechanism which will enable the party to adapt to changes and to meet challenges rapidly, properly and effectively.

]]> By: cheng on soo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106521 cheng on soo Tue, 27 May 2008 01:29:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106521 Sorry, Dr. Bakri Musa, Not agree with U on this TDM, he had wasted at least a hundred billion ringgit of Msian money in useless projects, If he still in power, we might have, a), laughing stock useless crook bridge at JB b) build a useless bridge to Sumatra c) reclaim useless islands off kedah Dont forget, all these will also cost billions ringgit to maintain. Pak Blah is no good so is TDM ! Sorry, Dr. Bakri Musa, Not agree with U on this TDM, he had wasted at least a hundred billion ringgit of Msian money in useless projects, If he still in power, we might have,

a), laughing stock useless crook bridge at JB
b) build a useless bridge to Sumatra
c) reclaim useless islands off kedah

Dont forget, all these will also cost billions ringgit to maintain.

Pak Blah is no good so is TDM !

]]> By: PHUAKL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106514 PHUAKL Tue, 27 May 2008 00:41:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106514 Looking at developments over the last few years, we are on the road to becoming a "kleptocracy" or a "failed state" (like those in Africa such as Nigeria - oil rich but riddled with corruption, Liberia, Sierra Leone etc.). The beginning of the journey is pervasive corruption enveloping the institutions of government. We, the citizens of Malaysia, have to prevent this! Looking at developments over the last few years, we are on the road to becoming a “kleptocracy” or a “failed state” (like those in Africa such as Nigeria - oil rich but riddled with corruption, Liberia, Sierra Leone etc.).

The beginning of the journey is pervasive corruption enveloping
the institutions of government.

We, the citizens of Malaysia, have to prevent this!

]]> By: AhPek http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106508 AhPek Mon, 26 May 2008 23:57:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/26/umno%e2%80%99s-tuah-jebat-dilemma/#comment-106508 Correction. 'This ,Bakri, is your hero who mispells 'piratisation' for 'privatisation' and for crony's losses he simply nationalised them.Eureka! He has found a formula for enriching Malays (the UMNOPUTRA type) thereby putting them on par with the rest of Malaysians. Correction. ‘This ,Bakri, is your hero who mispells ‘piratisation’ for ‘privatisation’
and for crony’s losses he simply nationalised them.Eureka! He has found a formula for enriching Malays (the UMNOPUTRA type) thereby putting them on par with the rest of Malaysians.

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