Comments on: Kiandee owes a public apology to Parliament, Sabah and the nation http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/ for Malaysia Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:22:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Should Kit Siang change his blog post? | Foong Speaks Her Mind http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106563 Should Kit Siang change his blog post? | Foong Speaks Her Mind Tue, 27 May 2008 09:13:10 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106563 [...] Kit Siang was warned and told to ‘correct’ his blog post on Kiandee which you can read here. According to Malaysiakini: Dewan Rakyat speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia has warned Lim Kit Siang [...] [...] Kit Siang was warned and told to ‘correct’ his blog post on Kiandee which you can read here. According to Malaysiakini: Dewan Rakyat speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia has warned Lim Kit Siang [...]

]]> By: pky103 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106553 pky103 Tue, 27 May 2008 07:37:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106553 - How disappointing this Kiandee fella is! I feel so sorry for the Sabahans for having these BN MPs and speakers :( - How disappointing this Kiandee fella is! I feel so sorry for the Sabahans for having these BN MPs and speakers :(

]]> By: robert wong http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106437 robert wong Mon, 26 May 2008 11:06:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106437 Kiandee is also orang sungai, from Beluran, Sandakan. Because of self interest , Kiandee had foresaken all orang sungai plight. So sad , where is your conscience , kiandee ? Kiandee is also orang sungai, from Beluran, Sandakan. Because of self interest , Kiandee had foresaken all orang sungai plight. So sad , where is your conscience , kiandee ?

]]> By: Swordsman http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106414 Swordsman Mon, 26 May 2008 08:19:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106414 Oops, the above comment should have been posted under UMNO Tuah-Jebat Dilemma. Oops, the above comment should have been posted under

UMNO Tuah-Jebat Dilemma.

]]> By: Swordsman http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106412 Swordsman Mon, 26 May 2008 08:13:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106412 In terms of IQ and administrative capability, Pak Lah is probably on par with Bush Jr. In the USA, they have a self-functioning Govt which operates efficiently without any directive or intervention by the President, who is more focussed on where and how to start the next war. Pak Lah's "lack of leadership and administrative skills" is very glaring because we do not have a really self-functioning Govt. Oftentime, the Govt is on auto-pilot without any computer navigation or guidance which puts the whole country in danger. In a system wherein directives and intervention from the top leadership are regular features to "show" that the Govt is functioning, Pak Lah's hands-off management style allows his Govt to go to sleep. In the USA, the electorate do not vote for "smart or intelligent" candidates as their President. Usually they vote for "dumbos" who are not "smart" enough to circumvent the Govt system set up by their Founding Fathers. Al Gore lost to Bush because the electorate saw Gore as being too smart to the electorates' liking. May be Pak Lah would have made a good President in the USA since they have strong affinity for "intellectually wanting" candidates, the Govt is self functioning with minimal input from the President, and he does'nt know how to start wars thus making the world much safer than it is now. There is a time, a place and particular circumstance for each type or classification of leadership. Mahathir's leadership, despite the misgivings of many, is more effective to pull our country out of its rut and face the complex challenges of globalisation. Pak Lah's report card is all blank, not even red ink (when you sit for exam and failed) because he did not even sit for the exam, he was absent all this while. In terms of IQ and administrative capability, Pak Lah is probably on par with Bush Jr. In the USA, they have a self-functioning Govt which operates efficiently without any directive or intervention by the President, who is more focussed on where and how to start the next war.
Pak Lah’s “lack of leadership and administrative skills” is very glaring because we do not have a really self-functioning Govt. Oftentime, the Govt is on auto-pilot without any computer navigation or guidance which puts the whole country in danger. In a system wherein directives and intervention from the top leadership are regular features to “show” that the Govt is functioning, Pak Lah’s hands-off management style allows his Govt to go to sleep.
In the USA, the electorate do not vote for “smart or intelligent” candidates as their President. Usually they vote for “dumbos” who are not “smart” enough to circumvent the Govt system set up by their Founding Fathers. Al Gore lost to Bush because the electorate saw Gore as being too smart to the electorates’ liking. May be Pak Lah would have made a good President in the USA since they have strong affinity for “intellectually wanting” candidates, the Govt is self functioning with minimal input from the President, and he does’nt know how to start wars thus making the world much safer than it is now.
There is a time, a place and particular circumstance for each type or classification of leadership. Mahathir’s leadership, despite the misgivings of many, is more effective to pull our country out of its rut and face the complex challenges of globalisation. Pak Lah’s report card is all blank, not even red ink (when you sit for exam and failed) because he did not even sit for the exam, he was absent all this while.

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106369 limkamput Mon, 26 May 2008 02:38:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106369 Malaysians of different racial groups and regions have been talking about their respective rights in increasing vigour recently. I believe if there is any group of people who deserve more right than many of us, it is the Orang Asli here in Peninsula Malaysia. Right now, they have got very little rights that we enjoy. More than that, many rights traditionally enjoyed and due to them are now gradually taken away from them. If you want to read more go here: limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com/ Malaysians of different racial groups and regions have been talking about their respective rights in increasing vigour recently. I believe if there is any group of people who deserve more right than many of us, it is the Orang Asli here in Peninsula Malaysia. Right now, they have got very little rights that we enjoy. More than that, many rights traditionally enjoyed and due to them are now gradually taken away from them. If you want to read more go here:
limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com/

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106368 limkamput Mon, 26 May 2008 02:32:17 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106368 What impartiality, perceived impartiality and neutrality are we talking about here? It is not for the speaker or his deputy to decide what the Parliament ought to speak or ought not to speak on substantive issues. I just know it is for the Parliament to debate and decide on all matters concerning Malaysia, including even constitutional provisions. I am talking politics here, not legal, technical, procedural and rules which can all be made to subvert the true intent of the Parliament or to suit the power that be. I say forget it. I have no time to debate over the power of the speaker (or his deputy) to reject substantive motions. The speaker or the deputy are mere house keepers to ensure orderly conduct of the house, not on substantive matters that the members can or can not speak on. That to me was engineered over the years through abuse of power of the majority over the minority, period. What impartiality, perceived impartiality and neutrality are we talking about here?

It is not for the speaker or his deputy to decide what the Parliament ought to speak or ought not to speak on substantive issues. I just know it is for the Parliament to debate and decide on all matters concerning Malaysia, including even constitutional provisions.

I am talking politics here, not legal, technical, procedural and rules which can all be made to subvert the true intent of the Parliament or to suit the power that be. I say forget it. I have no time to debate over the power of the speaker (or his deputy) to reject substantive motions. The speaker or the deputy are mere house keepers to ensure orderly conduct of the house, not on substantive matters that the members can or can not speak on. That to me was engineered over the years through abuse of power of the majority over the minority, period.

]]> By: oknyua http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106367 oknyua Mon, 26 May 2008 02:21:39 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106367 Ronald Kiandee decided based on political expediency. He might be the speaker, but he still has to answer to the BN hierarchy. I have been critical of his decision, but looking back would he jeopardise his political career by acceding to the motion? That is the hard fact of politics, selling oneself for the (brief) moments of glory. What would happen to Kiandee had he acceded to YB Lim KS’s motion? He could be the shortest term Deputy Speaker in Malaysian history. Today’s paper reports Anifah wanted to ascertain the correct number of foreigners, claiming it ranged from just 300,000 to 1.5 million. We thought some MPs are stupid, but this is the first proof we need. Would an illegal says, “Here I am, count me as an illegal”? Why do we call them “illegal” if a census on them can be done? In light of this series of stupidity, I am inclined to call YB Lim to ignore Sabahans’ plight. But there are the ordinary people inside Sabah. Children committed suicide because of not enough food. Children not in school because inability of buying uniforms. Of course these are hardly the concern of Sabah MPs, like Kiandee or Anifah Aman. Visit Runggus and Orang Sungai and you would see some of the poorest people in this planet. I have been moving throughout the length and breadth of W Malaysia and Sarawak and yet to see similar level of poverty. Though I don’t travel nowadays, I still have reports from SIB Pastors reporting from rural Sabah. The Sabah government only moved in once they knew that a SIB church had been established in a locality. Of course we can’t compete with them; we only by our prayers, the government with money and promises. YB Lim, thank you for highlighting this. There are many poor and forgotten that raise their hands to heaven and thank God for a man like Lim Kit Siang. I am one among them. Ronald Kiandee decided based on political expediency. He might be the speaker, but he still has to answer to the BN hierarchy. I have been critical of his decision, but looking back would he jeopardise his political career by acceding to the motion? That is the hard fact of politics, selling oneself for the (brief) moments of glory. What would happen to Kiandee had he acceded to YB Lim KS’s motion? He could be the shortest term Deputy Speaker in Malaysian history.

Today’s paper reports Anifah wanted to ascertain the correct number of foreigners, claiming it ranged from just 300,000 to 1.5 million. We thought some MPs are stupid, but this is the first proof we need. Would an illegal says, “Here I am, count me as an illegal”? Why do we call them “illegal” if a census on them can be done?

In light of this series of stupidity, I am inclined to call YB Lim to ignore Sabahans’ plight. But there are the ordinary people inside Sabah. Children committed suicide because of not enough food. Children not in school because inability of buying uniforms. Of course these are hardly the concern of Sabah MPs, like Kiandee or Anifah Aman.

Visit Runggus and Orang Sungai and you would see some of the poorest people in this planet. I have been moving throughout the length and breadth of W Malaysia and Sarawak and yet to see similar level of poverty. Though I don’t travel nowadays, I still have reports from SIB Pastors reporting from rural Sabah. The Sabah government only moved in once they knew that a SIB church had been established in a locality. Of course we can’t compete with them; we only by our prayers, the government with money and promises.

YB Lim, thank you for highlighting this. There are many poor and forgotten that raise their hands to heaven and thank God for a man like Lim Kit Siang. I am one among them.

]]> By: Samuel Goh Kim Eng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106366 Samuel Goh Kim Eng Mon, 26 May 2008 02:18:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/#comment-106366 The best advice is "When in doubt, shut up!" Sometimes we still live in the wrong tea cup There are even times when like little dear pup We will need to feed on big chunk as small sup (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 260508 http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com Mon. 26t May 2008. The best advice is “When in doubt, shut up!”
Sometimes we still live in the wrong tea cup
There are even times when like little dear pup
We will need to feed on big chunk as small sup

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 260508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 26t May 2008.

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