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	<title>Comments on: Kiandee owes a public apology to Parliament, Sabah and the nation</title>
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		<title>By: Should Kit Siang change his blog post? &#124; Foong Speaks Her Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should Kit Siang change his blog post? &#124; Foong Speaks Her Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kit Siang was warned and told to &#8216;correct&#8217; his blog post on Kiandee which you can read here. According to Malaysiakini: Dewan Rakyat speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia has warned Lim Kit Siang [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kit Siang was warned and told to &#8216;correct&#8217; his blog post on Kiandee which you can read here. According to Malaysiakini: Dewan Rakyat speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia has warned Lim Kit Siang [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pky103</title>
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		<dc:creator>pky103</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- How disappointing this Kiandee fella is! I feel so sorry for the Sabahans for having these BN MPs and speakers :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- How disappointing this Kiandee fella is! I feel so sorry for the Sabahans for having these BN MPs and speakers :(</p>
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		<title>By: robert wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiandee is also orang sungai, from Beluran, Sandakan. Because of self interest , Kiandee had foresaken all orang sungai plight. So sad , where is your conscience , kiandee ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiandee is also orang sungai, from Beluran, Sandakan. Because of self interest , Kiandee had foresaken all orang sungai plight. So sad , where is your conscience , kiandee ?</p>
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		<title>By: Swordsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swordsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, the above comment should have been posted under

UMNO  Tuah-Jebat Dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, the above comment should have been posted under</p>
<p>UMNO  Tuah-Jebat Dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Swordsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swordsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of IQ and administrative capability, Pak Lah is probably on par with Bush Jr. In the USA, they have a self-functioning Govt which operates efficiently without any directive or intervention by the President, who is more focussed on where and how to start the next war.
Pak Lah&#039;s &quot;lack of leadership and administrative skills&quot; is very glaring because we do not have a really self-functioning Govt. Oftentime, the Govt is on auto-pilot without any computer navigation or guidance which puts the whole country in danger. In a system wherein directives and intervention from the top leadership are regular features to &quot;show&quot; that the Govt is functioning, Pak Lah&#039;s hands-off management style allows his Govt to go to sleep.
In the USA, the electorate do not vote for &quot;smart or intelligent&quot; candidates as their President. Usually they vote for &quot;dumbos&quot; who are not &quot;smart&quot; enough to circumvent the Govt system set up by their Founding Fathers. Al Gore lost to Bush because the electorate saw Gore as being too smart to the electorates&#039; liking. May be Pak Lah would have made a good President in the USA since they have strong affinity for &quot;intellectually wanting&quot; candidates, the Govt is self functioning with minimal input from the President, and he does&#039;nt know how to start wars thus making the world  much safer than it is now.
There is a time, a place and particular circumstance for each type or classification of leadership. Mahathir&#039;s leadership, despite the misgivings of many, is more effective to pull our country out of its rut and face the complex challenges of globalisation. Pak Lah&#039;s report card is all blank, not even red ink (when you sit for exam and failed) because he did not even sit for the exam, he was absent all this while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of IQ and administrative capability, Pak Lah is probably on par with Bush Jr. In the USA, they have a self-functioning Govt which operates efficiently without any directive or intervention by the President, who is more focussed on where and how to start the next war.<br />
Pak Lah&#8217;s &#8220;lack of leadership and administrative skills&#8221; is very glaring because we do not have a really self-functioning Govt. Oftentime, the Govt is on auto-pilot without any computer navigation or guidance which puts the whole country in danger. In a system wherein directives and intervention from the top leadership are regular features to &#8220;show&#8221; that the Govt is functioning, Pak Lah&#8217;s hands-off management style allows his Govt to go to sleep.<br />
In the USA, the electorate do not vote for &#8220;smart or intelligent&#8221; candidates as their President. Usually they vote for &#8220;dumbos&#8221; who are not &#8220;smart&#8221; enough to circumvent the Govt system set up by their Founding Fathers. Al Gore lost to Bush because the electorate saw Gore as being too smart to the electorates&#8217; liking. May be Pak Lah would have made a good President in the USA since they have strong affinity for &#8220;intellectually wanting&#8221; candidates, the Govt is self functioning with minimal input from the President, and he does&#8217;nt know how to start wars thus making the world  much safer than it is now.<br />
There is a time, a place and particular circumstance for each type or classification of leadership. Mahathir&#8217;s leadership, despite the misgivings of many, is more effective to pull our country out of its rut and face the complex challenges of globalisation. Pak Lah&#8217;s report card is all blank, not even red ink (when you sit for exam and failed) because he did not even sit for the exam, he was absent all this while.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106369</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysians of different racial groups and regions have been talking about their respective rights in increasing vigour recently. I believe if there is any group of people who deserve more right than many of us, it is the Orang Asli here in Peninsula Malaysia. Right now, they have got very little rights that we enjoy. More than that, many rights traditionally enjoyed and due to them are now gradually taken away from them.  If you want to read more go here: 
limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysians of different racial groups and regions have been talking about their respective rights in increasing vigour recently. I believe if there is any group of people who deserve more right than many of us, it is the Orang Asli here in Peninsula Malaysia. Right now, they have got very little rights that we enjoy. More than that, many rights traditionally enjoyed and due to them are now gradually taken away from them.  If you want to read more go here:<br />
limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com/</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What impartiality, perceived impartiality and neutrality are we talking about here?

It is not for the speaker or his deputy to decide what the Parliament ought to speak or ought not to speak on substantive issues.  I just know it is for the Parliament to debate and decide on all matters concerning Malaysia, including even constitutional provisions.  

I am talking politics here, not legal, technical, procedural and rules which can all be made to subvert the true intent of the Parliament or to suit the power that be.  I say forget it. I have no time to debate over the power of the speaker (or his deputy) to reject substantive motions. The speaker or the deputy are mere house keepers to ensure orderly conduct of the house, not on substantive matters that the members can or can not speak on. That to me was engineered over the years through abuse of power of the majority over the minority, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What impartiality, perceived impartiality and neutrality are we talking about here?</p>
<p>It is not for the speaker or his deputy to decide what the Parliament ought to speak or ought not to speak on substantive issues.  I just know it is for the Parliament to debate and decide on all matters concerning Malaysia, including even constitutional provisions.  </p>
<p>I am talking politics here, not legal, technical, procedural and rules which can all be made to subvert the true intent of the Parliament or to suit the power that be.  I say forget it. I have no time to debate over the power of the speaker (or his deputy) to reject substantive motions. The speaker or the deputy are mere house keepers to ensure orderly conduct of the house, not on substantive matters that the members can or can not speak on. That to me was engineered over the years through abuse of power of the majority over the minority, period.</p>
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		<title>By: oknyua</title>
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		<dc:creator>oknyua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald Kiandee decided based on political expediency. He might be the speaker, but he still has to answer to the BN hierarchy. I have been critical of his decision, but looking back would he jeopardise his political career by acceding to the motion? That is the hard fact of politics, selling oneself for the (brief) moments of glory. What would happen to Kiandee had he acceded to YB Lim KS’s motion? He could be the shortest term Deputy Speaker in Malaysian history. 

Today’s paper reports Anifah wanted to ascertain the correct number of foreigners, claiming it ranged from just 300,000 to 1.5 million. We thought some MPs are stupid, but this is the first proof we need. Would an illegal says, “Here I am, count me as an illegal”? Why do we call them “illegal” if a census on them can be done? 

In light of this series of stupidity, I am inclined to call YB Lim to ignore Sabahans’ plight. But there are the ordinary people inside Sabah. Children committed suicide because of not enough food. Children not in school because inability of buying uniforms. Of course these are hardly the concern of Sabah MPs, like Kiandee or Anifah Aman. 

Visit Runggus and Orang Sungai and you would see some of the poorest people in this planet. I have been moving throughout the length and breadth of W Malaysia and Sarawak and yet to see similar level of poverty. Though I don’t travel nowadays, I still have reports from SIB Pastors reporting from rural Sabah. The Sabah government only moved in once they knew that a SIB church had been established in a locality. Of course we can’t compete with them; we only by our prayers, the government with money and promises.

YB Lim, thank you for highlighting this. There are many poor and forgotten that raise their hands to heaven and thank God for a man like Lim Kit Siang. I am one among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald Kiandee decided based on political expediency. He might be the speaker, but he still has to answer to the BN hierarchy. I have been critical of his decision, but looking back would he jeopardise his political career by acceding to the motion? That is the hard fact of politics, selling oneself for the (brief) moments of glory. What would happen to Kiandee had he acceded to YB Lim KS’s motion? He could be the shortest term Deputy Speaker in Malaysian history. </p>
<p>Today’s paper reports Anifah wanted to ascertain the correct number of foreigners, claiming it ranged from just 300,000 to 1.5 million. We thought some MPs are stupid, but this is the first proof we need. Would an illegal says, “Here I am, count me as an illegal”? Why do we call them “illegal” if a census on them can be done? </p>
<p>In light of this series of stupidity, I am inclined to call YB Lim to ignore Sabahans’ plight. But there are the ordinary people inside Sabah. Children committed suicide because of not enough food. Children not in school because inability of buying uniforms. Of course these are hardly the concern of Sabah MPs, like Kiandee or Anifah Aman. </p>
<p>Visit Runggus and Orang Sungai and you would see some of the poorest people in this planet. I have been moving throughout the length and breadth of W Malaysia and Sarawak and yet to see similar level of poverty. Though I don’t travel nowadays, I still have reports from SIB Pastors reporting from rural Sabah. The Sabah government only moved in once they knew that a SIB church had been established in a locality. Of course we can’t compete with them; we only by our prayers, the government with money and promises.</p>
<p>YB Lim, thank you for highlighting this. There are many poor and forgotten that raise their hands to heaven and thank God for a man like Lim Kit Siang. I am one among them.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Goh Kim Eng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106366</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Goh Kim Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best advice is &quot;When in doubt, shut up!&quot;
Sometimes we still live in the wrong tea cup
There are even times when like little dear pup
We will need to feed on big chunk as small sup

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 260508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 26t May 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best advice is &#8220;When in doubt, shut up!&#8221;<br />
Sometimes we still live in the wrong tea cup<br />
There are even times when like little dear pup<br />
We will need to feed on big chunk as small sup</p>
<p>(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng &#8211; 260508<br />
<a href="http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com</a><br />
Mon. 26t May 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: ckchung</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106364</link>
		<dc:creator>ckchung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiandee from Beluran, Sandakan , Sabah the worst place of illegal imigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiandee from Beluran, Sandakan , Sabah the worst place of illegal imigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
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		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiandee?
Who?
Who the heck is he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiandee?<br />
Who?<br />
Who the heck is he?</p>
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		<title>By: pohsoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>pohsoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Star reported the following statement by Kiandee:

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[kiandee]

“I know that YB Ipoh Timur is concerned about the issue but Sabah MPs, including me, are even more concerned about this issue.

...

“We want to give it some time since the new Government is only a few months&#039; old.

“We’ll have to be patient. We’ve been waiting for so long, we might as well wait a little longer and see what happens,” he said.
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It didn&#039;t justify to say that since the issue had lasted for so long, thus it won&#039;t need to be resolved ASAP.  Furthermore, if BN had been given more than 10 yrs to resolve the issue by failed, on what ground does giving another 1 year will allowed the issue to be resolved?  PM Abdullah had been on helm since 2004 yet the issue not solved.  The current government is the same as the previous government. Is the so called giving more time will make it a different, when a solution was being tabled by MR Lim Kit Siang, which is to set up a royal commision to probe into it?

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[kiandee]
“There are proper avenues for us to discuss the motion and now this is a motion of thanks on the Royal Address. “Therefore, we do not have to set any condition in our motion of thanks,” he said.

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Mind you, if the only thing the MP can to do is to say &quot;Thank You, your highness&quot;, then please don&#039;t waste tax payer&#039;s money by having 222 MP having the parliment session there for so many days. Just publish the speech and having everybody say &quot;Thank You. Your Highness&quot; or just having the speech broadcasted via radio or publish in newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Star reported the following statement by Kiandee:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
[kiandee]</p>
<p>“I know that YB Ipoh Timur is concerned about the issue but Sabah MPs, including me, are even more concerned about this issue.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>“We want to give it some time since the new Government is only a few months&#8217; old.</p>
<p>“We’ll have to be patient. We’ve been waiting for so long, we might as well wait a little longer and see what happens,” he said.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t justify to say that since the issue had lasted for so long, thus it won&#8217;t need to be resolved ASAP.  Furthermore, if BN had been given more than 10 yrs to resolve the issue by failed, on what ground does giving another 1 year will allowed the issue to be resolved?  PM Abdullah had been on helm since 2004 yet the issue not solved.  The current government is the same as the previous government. Is the so called giving more time will make it a different, when a solution was being tabled by MR Lim Kit Siang, which is to set up a royal commision to probe into it?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
[kiandee]<br />
“There are proper avenues for us to discuss the motion and now this is a motion of thanks on the Royal Address. “Therefore, we do not have to set any condition in our motion of thanks,” he said.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Mind you, if the only thing the MP can to do is to say &#8220;Thank You, your highness&#8221;, then please don&#8217;t waste tax payer&#8217;s money by having 222 MP having the parliment session there for so many days. Just publish the speech and having everybody say &#8220;Thank You. Your Highness&#8221; or just having the speech broadcasted via radio or publish in newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as impartiality or perceived impartiality of judges is important for the dignity of the institution of Judiciary so the impartiality or perceived impartiality of the post of Speaker/Deputy Speaker is important for the dignity of the institution of Parliament.

If the Federal Constitution makes token provisions for impartial judges by guaranteeing them tenure &amp; immunity from arbitrary removal, what doesn’t the Constitution equally provide for the position of  Speaker/Deputy Speaker?

There is a strong case to make constitutional amendments to enshrine safeguards promotive of neutrality regarding the post of Speaker/Deputy Speaker.

Some suggestions:

(a) The appointment of speaker should be by secret ballot;

(b) He can be appointed if his position were endorsed by not less than 2/3 votes of Parliament, and therefore he cannot continue in office if a motion of no confidence against him is not defeated by 2/3 votes of Parliament. Neither can government remove him unless it is supported by 2/3 votes of Parliament. 

These safedguards are necessary if the office of speaker/deputy speaker  be accorded the respect and confidence befitting its crucial importance to the parliamentary system based on democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as impartiality or perceived impartiality of judges is important for the dignity of the institution of Judiciary so the impartiality or perceived impartiality of the post of Speaker/Deputy Speaker is important for the dignity of the institution of Parliament.</p>
<p>If the Federal Constitution makes token provisions for impartial judges by guaranteeing them tenure &amp; immunity from arbitrary removal, what doesn’t the Constitution equally provide for the position of  Speaker/Deputy Speaker?</p>
<p>There is a strong case to make constitutional amendments to enshrine safeguards promotive of neutrality regarding the post of Speaker/Deputy Speaker.</p>
<p>Some suggestions:</p>
<p>(a) The appointment of speaker should be by secret ballot;</p>
<p>(b) He can be appointed if his position were endorsed by not less than 2/3 votes of Parliament, and therefore he cannot continue in office if a motion of no confidence against him is not defeated by 2/3 votes of Parliament. Neither can government remove him unless it is supported by 2/3 votes of Parliament. </p>
<p>These safedguards are necessary if the office of speaker/deputy speaker  be accorded the respect and confidence befitting its crucial importance to the parliamentary system based on democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I agree I have been too generous in giving Kiandee the benefit of doubt on the point of political neutrality, as some of you said that he had 3 days to prior prepare for Kit&#039;s motion. Even if he were unfamiliar with parliamentary tradition or precedent (which is now doubted), why did he not give the benefit of doubt to the Opposition’s attempt to introduce amendment to the Royal Address and decide the other way instead?? That is why what to do to counteract a bias referee in parliament needs address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I agree I have been too generous in giving Kiandee the benefit of doubt on the point of political neutrality, as some of you said that he had 3 days to prior prepare for Kit&#8217;s motion. Even if he were unfamiliar with parliamentary tradition or precedent (which is now doubted), why did he not give the benefit of doubt to the Opposition’s attempt to introduce amendment to the Royal Address and decide the other way instead?? That is why what to do to counteract a bias referee in parliament needs address.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a motion of no confidence were too drastic in light of these ‘mitigating’ factors, what about a motion of censure against the Deputy Speaker (fine him symbolic RM10) if he refuses to apologise ?

Wouldn’t such a motion of censure supported by 82 opposition members even if defeated on party lines place the speaker in an
untenable position??? Wouldn’t it reflect that he has lost the confidence of nearly ½ the House making it uncomfortable for him to sit on the Speaker chair?

If one aspires to make Parliament first world then we should depart from the convention of giving the post of speaker – the referee of parliament – to whoever the incumbent government favours confirmed by its majority vote.

The post should be occupied by someone proposed by the Prime Minister and other Members from the governing party after consultation with the Opposition – and also approved by the Opposition – regarding the candidate’s knowledge of parliamentary practices and, most important, his political neutrality and freedom from bias.

How do you, for example, have a meaningful football match if one has a referee who is bias in favour of one side and whistling foul all the time against the other side?

What does parliamentary convention and standing orders provide to remedy a situation of a bias speaker? What can the Opposition do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a motion of no confidence were too drastic in light of these ‘mitigating’ factors, what about a motion of censure against the Deputy Speaker (fine him symbolic RM10) if he refuses to apologise ?</p>
<p>Wouldn’t such a motion of censure supported by 82 opposition members even if defeated on party lines place the speaker in an<br />
untenable position??? Wouldn’t it reflect that he has lost the confidence of nearly ½ the House making it uncomfortable for him to sit on the Speaker chair?</p>
<p>If one aspires to make Parliament first world then we should depart from the convention of giving the post of speaker – the referee of parliament – to whoever the incumbent government favours confirmed by its majority vote.</p>
<p>The post should be occupied by someone proposed by the Prime Minister and other Members from the governing party after consultation with the Opposition – and also approved by the Opposition – regarding the candidate’s knowledge of parliamentary practices and, most important, his political neutrality and freedom from bias.</p>
<p>How do you, for example, have a meaningful football match if one has a referee who is bias in favour of one side and whistling foul all the time against the other side?</p>
<p>What does parliamentary convention and standing orders provide to remedy a situation of a bias speaker? What can the Opposition do?</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance is no excuse for ruling against the motion. Who in his god&#039;s mind, much less politicians, don&#039;t know how important the issue of illegal immigrant in Sabah is. It sits at the centre of most of Sabah&#039;s political, economic, social problems. 

To have acted against when there is a possibility of ignorance of such an important issue clearly evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of partisanship.

Clearly the speaker felt he had to show gratefulness to Badawi for putting him in the DS job and assist his fellow UMNO Sabah leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance is no excuse for ruling against the motion. Who in his god&#8217;s mind, much less politicians, don&#8217;t know how important the issue of illegal immigrant in Sabah is. It sits at the centre of most of Sabah&#8217;s political, economic, social problems. </p>
<p>To have acted against when there is a possibility of ignorance of such an important issue clearly evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of partisanship.</p>
<p>Clearly the speaker felt he had to show gratefulness to Badawi for putting him in the DS job and assist his fellow UMNO Sabah leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: carboncopy</title>
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		<dc:creator>carboncopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Partisanship?

Kiandee was reading from a prepared text!

He had more than 3 days to do research on precedence of amendment to motion of thanks.

And what he came up with was a prepared text to say it was not proper to do so. By saying he wasn&#039;t aware was a blatant LIE!

He tried to stop LKS right from the onset. By saying tak payah baca!
From Hansard :
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Ronald Kiandee]: Yang Berhormat tidak perlu baca, Yang Berhormat.

Too bad the video quality is like that. If not you would have seen Kiandee reading from a piece of paper the prepared text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Partisanship?</p>
<p>Kiandee was reading from a prepared text!</p>
<p>He had more than 3 days to do research on precedence of amendment to motion of thanks.</p>
<p>And what he came up with was a prepared text to say it was not proper to do so. By saying he wasn&#8217;t aware was a blatant LIE!</p>
<p>He tried to stop LKS right from the onset. By saying tak payah baca!<br />
From Hansard :<br />
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Ronald Kiandee]: Yang Berhormat tidak perlu baca, Yang Berhormat.</p>
<p>Too bad the video quality is like that. If not you would have seen Kiandee reading from a piece of paper the prepared text.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can’t accuse Deputy Speaker Datuk Ronald Kiandee of partisanship or lacking neutrality if one accepts, at the same time, his “confession” to being unfamiliar with parliamentary convention and precedents. Also one could not impute incompetence based on just one single occasion of error and slip when he is “new” to the job and still in the learning curve…. 

So the question is what is the appropriate response (in light of these ‘mitigating’ considerations) to a Parliamentary Speaker who readily admitted that he was unfamiliar with parliamentary conventions and yet refused to apologise at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can’t accuse Deputy Speaker Datuk Ronald Kiandee of partisanship or lacking neutrality if one accepts, at the same time, his “confession” to being unfamiliar with parliamentary convention and precedents. Also one could not impute incompetence based on just one single occasion of error and slip when he is “new” to the job and still in the learning curve…. </p>
<p>So the question is what is the appropriate response (in light of these ‘mitigating’ considerations) to a Parliamentary Speaker who readily admitted that he was unfamiliar with parliamentary conventions and yet refused to apologise at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killer, stop parroting your boss, Sleepy Head.  For the past 5 years, our conversations with your boss has been like this:

Me:  Tell me what you have done ?
Bodohwi:  I need more time.

Me:  List down your achievements.
Bodohwi: I have work to do.

Me:  What work have you done?
Bodohwi:  I have a strong mandate from the rakyat.

You see, your boss is still in dreamland, and cannot even answer basic questions.  Same goes for you.  You are indeed a good disciple of Bodohwi.  

CEMERLANG, GEMILANG, TEMBERANG - THE SLOGAN OF UMNO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killer, stop parroting your boss, Sleepy Head.  For the past 5 years, our conversations with your boss has been like this:</p>
<p>Me:  Tell me what you have done ?<br />
Bodohwi:  I need more time.</p>
<p>Me:  List down your achievements.<br />
Bodohwi: I have work to do.</p>
<p>Me:  What work have you done?<br />
Bodohwi:  I have a strong mandate from the rakyat.</p>
<p>You see, your boss is still in dreamland, and cannot even answer basic questions.  Same goes for you.  You are indeed a good disciple of Bodohwi.  </p>
<p>CEMERLANG, GEMILANG, TEMBERANG &#8211; THE SLOGAN OF UMNO.</p>
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		<title>By: kerishamuddinitis</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/25/kiandee-owes-a-public-apology-to-parliament-sabah-and-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-106347</link>
		<dc:creator>kerishamuddinitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mendela &amp; Adam Yong, yeah, agreed... it&#039;s time to totally ignore 
a BN running dog who is like broken-down record repeating statements and proclaiming &#039;foresight&#039; after having merely toed the official BN-UMNO party/gomen line on so many issues here.

I am interested to see what the Sabah MP&#039;s will do now.

Cross-over is the only option left for real affirmative action and not to continue to receive handouts and crumbs from the BN-UMNO table like well-conditioned running dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mendela &amp; Adam Yong, yeah, agreed&#8230; it&#8217;s time to totally ignore<br />
a BN running dog who is like broken-down record repeating statements and proclaiming &#8216;foresight&#8217; after having merely toed the official BN-UMNO party/gomen line on so many issues here.</p>
<p>I am interested to see what the Sabah MP&#8217;s will do now.</p>
<p>Cross-over is the only option left for real affirmative action and not to continue to receive handouts and crumbs from the BN-UMNO table like well-conditioned running dogs.</p>
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