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	<title>Comments on: RCI on illegal immigrants in Sabah - substantive motion to overrule Robert Kiandee&#8217;s decision</title>
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		<title>By: rainbowseahorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/rci-on-illegal-immigrants-in-sabah-substantive-motion-to-overrule-robert-kiandees-decision/#comment-106551</link>
		<dc:creator>rainbowseahorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish everybody would stop addressing Sabah’s problem as the “illegal immigrant” issue because the problem is NOT the illegal immigrants but the problem of IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS. Illegal immigrants are those living &#38; working in Sabah without proper documents, and this problem is  and will always be a major problem in Sabah given the vastness and very porous borders. 
The main focus which needs urgent attention is the problem of economic immigrants who, by virtue of their religion of Islam, automatically becomes “BUMIPUTRA” when they were issued IC &#38; MyKad  by unscrupulous individuals for monetary and political gains. By being classified as Bumiputras, these IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS enjoyed all the BENEFITS accorded to any BUMIPUTRAS (as provided for by the Malaysian constitution) making them a potent force to reckon with among the real &#38; original Sabah Bumiputras. 
Another problem that pops up with these IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS comes in the form of “HARD CORE POOR” which the Malaysian government endeavored to eradicate. This takes away a large portion of the allocated money from the more deserving local Sabahan Hardcore poor. 
Understandably, the none-Bumiputras races in Sabah (notably the Chinese &#38; Indians), who might be third generations or longer Sabahans, are EXTREMELY resentful and find it VERY DIFFICULT to accept the fact that these new economic immigrants have been accorded BUMIPUTRASHIP status by the Government. Effectively, these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” have became not only superior citizenship status over the none Bumiputras of Sabah, but also have the power to compete with the original &#38; real Bumiputras in Sabah in all aspects of business which have been RESERVED for BUMIPUTRAS. The children of these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” completes with original Sabah Bumiputras for placements in schools, government scholarships, and eventually in the work place. Of course, government services such as medical facilities, social welfares, etc. are being utilized by these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” and their families. 
So, the URGENT problem in Sabah is NOT THE ILLEGAL immigrants, but the “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish everybody would stop addressing Sabah’s problem as the “illegal immigrant” issue because the problem is NOT the illegal immigrants but the problem of IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS. Illegal immigrants are those living &amp; working in Sabah without proper documents, and this problem is  and will always be a major problem in Sabah given the vastness and very porous borders.<br />
The main focus which needs urgent attention is the problem of economic immigrants who, by virtue of their religion of Islam, automatically becomes “BUMIPUTRA” when they were issued IC &amp; MyKad  by unscrupulous individuals for monetary and political gains. By being classified as Bumiputras, these IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS enjoyed all the BENEFITS accorded to any BUMIPUTRAS (as provided for by the Malaysian constitution) making them a potent force to reckon with among the real &amp; original Sabah Bumiputras.<br />
Another problem that pops up with these IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS comes in the form of “HARD CORE POOR” which the Malaysian government endeavored to eradicate. This takes away a large portion of the allocated money from the more deserving local Sabahan Hardcore poor.<br />
Understandably, the none-Bumiputras races in Sabah (notably the Chinese &amp; Indians), who might be third generations or longer Sabahans, are EXTREMELY resentful and find it VERY DIFFICULT to accept the fact that these new economic immigrants have been accorded BUMIPUTRASHIP status by the Government. Effectively, these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” have became not only superior citizenship status over the none Bumiputras of Sabah, but also have the power to compete with the original &amp; real Bumiputras in Sabah in all aspects of business which have been RESERVED for BUMIPUTRAS. The children of these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” completes with original Sabah Bumiputras for placements in schools, government scholarships, and eventually in the work place. Of course, government services such as medical facilities, social welfares, etc. are being utilized by these “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS” and their families.<br />
So, the URGENT problem in Sabah is NOT THE ILLEGAL immigrants, but the “IMPORTED BUMIPUTRAS”.</p>
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		<title>By: bernadette</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernadette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spot on!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spot on!!!</p>
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		<title>By: miketan142</title>
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		<dc:creator>miketan142</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 12:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear undergrad2,
Correct me if I am wrong, in Sabah, it is the state before the country and whereas in peninsula it is country first
In west malaysia, perakians or penangites normally refer to which part or the country one come from and the patriotism probably in interstate sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear undergrad2,<br />
Correct me if I am wrong, in Sabah, it is the state before the country and whereas in peninsula it is country first<br />
In west malaysia, perakians or penangites normally refer to which part or the country one come from and the patriotism probably in interstate sports.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today whenever I read someone writes "We Sabahans" I can't say I know what or whom the writer is referring to?? Is there such a thing, race or religious group as a "Sabahan"  - or a Perakian or a Penangite for that matter? Is there such a thing as a typical Sabahan? Is the typical Sabahan a Christian? 

Whilst it is true the term "Perakian" does not generate the  same kind of controversy and emotions as does "Sabahan" today, we need to be clear just who this "Sabahan" is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today whenever I read someone writes &#8220;We Sabahans&#8221; I can&#8217;t say I know what or whom the writer is referring to?? Is there such a thing, race or religious group as a &#8220;Sabahan&#8221;  - or a Perakian or a Penangite for that matter? Is there such a thing as a typical Sabahan? Is the typical Sabahan a Christian? </p>
<p>Whilst it is true the term &#8220;Perakian&#8221; does not generate the  same kind of controversy and emotions as does &#8220;Sabahan&#8221; today, we need to be clear just who this &#8220;Sabahan&#8221; is.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 11:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The migrants were always there but this shift got me thinking if there is a slow but significant shift in demographics and social status of the Latinos ?" killer



You're right on the shift but  not on the timing. This shift in demographics is not a recent phenomenon. Bear in mind that most of south west United States not too long ago belonged to Mexico. Some  say with illegal immigration, the Mexicans are trying to re-claim what was once theirs! In fact Hispanic  talk show hosts over the radio often refer to it as such – mostly in a lighter vein, of course. I don’t know if you have heard of ‘anchor babies’ a term used within the context of the discussion on illegal immigration. You have say a pregnant Mexican woman walking across the southern border and later giving birth to a son. That son is a U.S. citizen – following the principle of jus soli. And so the process continues. Coupled with the fact that the birth rate among Hispanics and Latinos  is higher than that among non-Hispanic  whites, in the year 2050, non-White Hispanic  population of the United States will exceed that of the non-Hispanic White population. Some refer to this as the “browning of America”!



President Sukarno of Indonesia during the Malaysia-Indonesian conflict  in the early 60s accused Malaysia of being a neo-colonialist plot – and claimed Sarawak and Sabah as  part of Indonesian territories, a claim not too dissimilar to the ‘claim’ by Mexicans say to California today (minus the ‘neo-colonialist plot’ slant of course). There are elements of truth to that claim. Wouldn’t you say? 



The Chinese in Sabah are relatively recent migrants to this part of the Indonesian Archipelago. Indonesian Chinese in neighboring Sulawesi are part of that same wave of migration.. The intermarrying between the Chinese and the natives in Southern Sulawesi has given rise to a new ‘race’ the Bugis who are seafarers or pirates who came to settle in Pahang and Johor.



Today what we are seeing are waves of economic migrants - from Indonesian Kalimantan, encouraged by the Malay leadership in Kuala Lumpur as an hoc solution to its political problem and in an attempt to break the political impasse if you will - coming across to Sabah, much like what we are seeing in the south west of United States except that in the case of the United States, this is being resisted by its government.



Today’s solution will be tomorrow’s problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The migrants were always there but this shift got me thinking if there is a slow but significant shift in demographics and social status of the Latinos ?&#8221; killer</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on the shift but  not on the timing. This shift in demographics is not a recent phenomenon. Bear in mind that most of south west United States not too long ago belonged to Mexico. Some  say with illegal immigration, the Mexicans are trying to re-claim what was once theirs! In fact Hispanic  talk show hosts over the radio often refer to it as such – mostly in a lighter vein, of course. I don’t know if you have heard of ‘anchor babies’ a term used within the context of the discussion on illegal immigration. You have say a pregnant Mexican woman walking across the southern border and later giving birth to a son. That son is a U.S. citizen – following the principle of jus soli. And so the process continues. Coupled with the fact that the birth rate among Hispanics and Latinos  is higher than that among non-Hispanic  whites, in the year 2050, non-White Hispanic  population of the United States will exceed that of the non-Hispanic White population. Some refer to this as the “browning of America”!</p>
<p>President Sukarno of Indonesia during the Malaysia-Indonesian conflict  in the early 60s accused Malaysia of being a neo-colonialist plot – and claimed Sarawak and Sabah as  part of Indonesian territories, a claim not too dissimilar to the ‘claim’ by Mexicans say to California today (minus the ‘neo-colonialist plot’ slant of course). There are elements of truth to that claim. Wouldn’t you say? </p>
<p>The Chinese in Sabah are relatively recent migrants to this part of the Indonesian Archipelago. Indonesian Chinese in neighboring Sulawesi are part of that same wave of migration.. The intermarrying between the Chinese and the natives in Southern Sulawesi has given rise to a new ‘race’ the Bugis who are seafarers or pirates who came to settle in Pahang and Johor.</p>
<p>Today what we are seeing are waves of economic migrants - from Indonesian Kalimantan, encouraged by the Malay leadership in Kuala Lumpur as an hoc solution to its political problem and in an attempt to break the political impasse if you will - coming across to Sabah, much like what we are seeing in the south west of United States except that in the case of the United States, this is being resisted by its government.</p>
<p>Today’s solution will be tomorrow’s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Malaysian</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/rci-on-illegal-immigrants-in-sabah-substantive-motion-to-overrule-robert-kiandees-decision/#comment-106264</link>
		<dc:creator>Malaysian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to today Daily Express, Tuaran MP Datuk Wilfred Bumburing said it is not true that Sabah MPs were against the proposal to set up the RCI on illegal Immigrants. Bumburing, who is also UPKO Deputy President, said " To say that the Sabah MPs reject the motion by DAP MP Lim Kit Siang is not corect at all as the House Speaker (Deputy Speaker Datuk Ronald Kiandee) rejected the motion and it had never been tabled.

Bumburing was responded to the statement by Kimanis MP Anifah Aman that Sabah MPs were against the proposal to set up the RCI on Illegal Immigrants that was moved by Lim on Friday. "We, in UPKO believe the Royal Commission of Inquiry is the best way to takle the problem of iilegal immigrants in Sabah." he said. 

Bumburing said he was equally surprised to learn through the media that Anifah is the new Sabah MP Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club (BNBBC) Chairman.

It clearly showed that UMNO and his dog PBS is the only party that against the move to seeting up the RCI on Illegal Immigrants in Sabah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to today Daily Express, Tuaran MP Datuk Wilfred Bumburing said it is not true that Sabah MPs were against the proposal to set up the RCI on illegal Immigrants. Bumburing, who is also UPKO Deputy President, said &#8221; To say that the Sabah MPs reject the motion by DAP MP Lim Kit Siang is not corect at all as the House Speaker (Deputy Speaker Datuk Ronald Kiandee) rejected the motion and it had never been tabled.</p>
<p>Bumburing was responded to the statement by Kimanis MP Anifah Aman that Sabah MPs were against the proposal to set up the RCI on Illegal Immigrants that was moved by Lim on Friday. &#8220;We, in UPKO believe the Royal Commission of Inquiry is the best way to takle the problem of iilegal immigrants in Sabah.&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>Bumburing said he was equally surprised to learn through the media that Anifah is the new Sabah MP Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club (BNBBC) Chairman.</p>
<p>It clearly showed that UMNO and his dog PBS is the only party that against the move to seeting up the RCI on Illegal Immigrants in Sabah.</p>
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		<title>By: Killer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undergrad2

The observation that I noted was the usage of Spanish signs and even PA announcements in many large malls and stores. This was only recently introduced I believe. Does this mean that the Latins have moved from being illegals to the mainstream and middleclass ? The migrants were always there but this shift got me thinking if there is a slow but significant shift in demographics and social status of the Latinos ?

And yes, I agree about the racism. This has recently risen especially with the outsourcing of jobs to Asia. Many years ago people were friendlier but now folks can be downright hostile. I found it to be worse in smaller towns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undergrad2</p>
<p>The observation that I noted was the usage of Spanish signs and even PA announcements in many large malls and stores. This was only recently introduced I believe. Does this mean that the Latins have moved from being illegals to the mainstream and middleclass ? The migrants were always there but this shift got me thinking if there is a slow but significant shift in demographics and social status of the Latinos ?</p>
<p>And yes, I agree about the racism. This has recently risen especially with the outsourcing of jobs to Asia. Many years ago people were friendlier but now folks can be downright hostile. I found it to be worse in smaller towns.</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not only in sapah and sahawak, got illegal immigrants, dem fellas already in peninsula , check dem out claimed to be skillful in construction work and , claiming hometown from sapah or sarawah, .... hey got IC one you know.



Case close no threat here,......hehahe 
Motion pass, next please....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not only in sapah and sahawak, got illegal immigrants, dem fellas already in peninsula , check dem out claimed to be skillful in construction work and , claiming hometown from sapah or sarawah, &#8230;. hey got IC one you know.</p>
<p>Case close no threat here,&#8230;&#8230;hehahe<br />
Motion pass, next please&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>killer:

I am still waiting for you to apologise to YB Lim Kit Siang.

(you who claim to know more).
(you who claim to be able to hasten and smoothen the departure of notproudtobemalaysian.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>killer:</p>
<p>I am still waiting for you to apologise to YB Lim Kit Siang.</p>
<p>(you who claim to know more).<br />
(you who claim to be able to hasten and smoothen the departure of notproudtobemalaysian.)</p>
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