Comments on: May 22, 2008 – Sad Day for Sabah (In video and Hansard) http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/ for Malaysia Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:55:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Zeroshit http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106402 Zeroshit Mon, 26 May 2008 06:31:09 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106402 lew1328, me and many Sabahans seriously appreciate LKS's efforts. Some have even named u as a possible CM.(probably half-jokingly, but i dont mind) Most of us didnt vote for the current MPs. Part of the reason they were elected was because of this very issue of immigrants. There is a significant number of immigrants who have been given ICs as well as right to vote. A lot of these MPs relied on these votes. There are other reasons as well why they won. Hence, u cannot say that the MPs truly represent the voice of the people. Please continue to help Sabah LKS. lew1328, me and many Sabahans seriously appreciate LKS’s efforts. Some have even named u as a possible CM.(probably half-jokingly, but i dont mind) Most of us didnt vote for the current MPs. Part of the reason they were elected was because of this very issue of immigrants. There is a significant number of immigrants who have been given ICs as well as right to vote. A lot of these MPs relied on these votes. There are other reasons as well why they won. Hence, u cannot say that the MPs truly represent the voice of the people. Please continue to help Sabah LKS.

]]> By: pohsoon http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106281 pohsoon Sun, 25 May 2008 06:55:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106281 What a laughing stock the "Deputy Yang Dipertua" make out of Malaysia. If the only thing that PM can say is "Thank You", what is it for to waste Malaysian tax payer's $$ to have such a lengthy debate in parliment. It must well just be published in the newspaper which is more cost effective! Its truely "Malaysia BOLEH!!" What a laughing stock the “Deputy Yang Dipertua” make out of Malaysia. If the only thing that PM can say is “Thank You”, what is it for to waste Malaysian tax payer’s $$ to have such a lengthy debate in parliment. It must well just be published in the newspaper which is more cost effective!

Its truely “Malaysia BOLEH!!”

]]> By: cvl http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106244 cvl Sat, 24 May 2008 22:51:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106244 There is a greater calling in Sabah and one that begs for balanced approaches, which rightful thinking person particularly Malaysians can only benefit better. There is elegance in the way LKS approaches are to this matter, sharpening in both ways. Unless some else more principled with precedents to match, LKS looks the most qualified to man this call. Sabahan do need such torch bearers; that state is so befuddled and its BN MPs could nary differentiate between day or night, what more to pin any hope on them for any specks of principle. These MPs are too busy and too beholden in their courtyard dramas where players are needed for the roles of royal backstabbers, jesters and clowns. The illegal migrant factor in Sabah is a mere façade. The momentum to open this veil to the public has to be sustained as it is the most appropriate way to begin a greater understanding of the larger picture. As such, we cannot leave the Sabahan alone on this matter. There is a greater calling in Sabah and one that begs for balanced approaches, which rightful thinking person particularly Malaysians can only benefit better.

There is elegance in the way LKS approaches are to this matter, sharpening in both ways. Unless some else more principled with precedents to match, LKS looks the most qualified to man this call.

Sabahan do need such torch bearers; that state is so befuddled and its BN MPs could nary differentiate between day or night, what more to pin any hope on them for any specks of principle. These MPs are too busy and too beholden in their courtyard dramas where players are needed for the roles of royal backstabbers, jesters and clowns.

The illegal migrant factor in Sabah is a mere façade. The momentum to open this veil to the public has to be sustained as it is the most appropriate way to begin a greater understanding of the larger picture.

As such, we cannot leave the Sabahan alone on this matter.

]]> By: lew1328 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106228 lew1328 Sat, 24 May 2008 16:41:41 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106228 Greetings! YB Kit I suggest that you leave Sabah & the Sabahan alone. This is because I think you will have more important roles to play here in west Malaysia rather than wasting time to fight for those who's not appreciate and support the RCI you've table. Today, my younger brother has asked me question that I don’t have definite answer for him as the following: - i) Where or in which state in Malaysia do you think was DAP hold a Strong Foot? Isn’t in Penang or WP? And what is DAP strategies to maintain or protect it for another 10 ~ 20 years? ii) In UMNO, majority of the members know the party fights for the Malay Right & Interests, How about DAP? iii) Have DAP ever educate their members or civilians that the meaning of Inflation rate, the unemployment rate & economic standing of Malaysia when they hold the “Ceramah” instead of “Dig & Find” wrong doing by the government ? iv) The DAP people’s elected MP’s and State YB were carrying their personal or common party mission & vision, which is which? Lastly, we all would like to see a stronger DAP in a near future and it would be more meaningful and opportunity when PR become a government days come. Greetings! YB Kit

I suggest that you leave Sabah & the Sabahan alone. This is because I think you will have more important roles to play here in west Malaysia rather than wasting time to fight for those who’s not appreciate and support the RCI you’ve table.

Today, my younger brother has asked me question that I don’t have definite answer for him as the following: -

i) Where or in which state in Malaysia do you think was DAP hold a Strong Foot? Isn’t in Penang or WP? And what is DAP strategies to maintain or protect it for another 10 ~ 20 years?
ii) In UMNO, majority of the members know the party fights for the Malay Right & Interests, How about DAP?
iii) Have DAP ever educate their members or civilians that the meaning of Inflation rate, the unemployment rate & economic standing of Malaysia when they hold the “Ceramah” instead of “Dig & Find” wrong doing by the government ?
iv) The DAP people’s elected MP’s and State YB were carrying their personal or common party mission & vision, which is which?

Lastly, we all would like to see a stronger DAP in a near future and it would be more meaningful and opportunity when PR become a government days come.

]]> By: badak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106174 badak Sat, 24 May 2008 06:18:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106174 Bumiputra non Bumiputra... From Gorverment jobs to giving out of scholarships.Even number of seats in elections and appointment of ministers are also base on this.BUMIPUTRA NON BUMIPUTRA. Base on this do you think the federal goverment care about this problem. End of the day its the UMNO Malays who gain.Let the goverment show the actuall break down of race and not Bumiputra non bumiputra.I bet we all will be surprise. Bumiputra non Bumiputra… From Gorverment jobs to giving out of scholarships.Even number of seats in elections and appointment of ministers are also base on this.BUMIPUTRA NON BUMIPUTRA.
Base on this do you think the federal goverment care about this problem.
End of the day its the UMNO Malays who gain.Let the goverment show the actuall break down of race and not Bumiputra non bumiputra.I bet we all will be surprise.

]]> By: Zeroshit http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106172 Zeroshit Sat, 24 May 2008 05:58:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106172 Sad day indeed. Please continue to push for the RCI YB LKS. Or, continue to push BN MPs especially from Sabah to table a motion on the RCI themselves. Anifah Aman said he would. We must hold him to that promise. If he or anyone else does succeed in tabling the motion, I hope every Pakatan Rakyat MPs will support this. Nevertheless, the rakyat, especially Sabahans, will always remember your efforts in seeking RCI. If they never table any motion, the rakyat and PR must continue to apply pressure on them. We are sick and tired of empty talk. We want RCI. Sad day indeed. Please continue to push for the RCI YB LKS. Or, continue to push BN MPs especially from Sabah to table a motion on the RCI themselves. Anifah Aman said he would. We must hold him to that promise. If he or anyone else does succeed in tabling the motion, I hope every Pakatan Rakyat MPs will support this. Nevertheless, the rakyat, especially Sabahans, will always remember your efforts in seeking RCI. If they never table any motion, the rakyat and PR must continue to apply pressure on them. We are sick and tired of empty talk. We want RCI.

]]> By: cvl http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106141 cvl Sat, 24 May 2008 02:56:54 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106141 The illegal migrant issue in Sabah is complex and monumental, and putting a proper handle to it shall require at least a coalition of the principled and willing. Talks and promises from various Malaysian legal, political, NGOs, youth wings etc [none from religious bodies as yet] to solve the matter have all been heard in bygone eras without any materially substantial reduction and or stoppages of the influx of such migrant, and yet further talks are just parroting the past two decades of let-you-feel-good mumbo jumbo, which roped in law enforcement and military initiatives to suit of the moments. Because of the complexity of the matter, Malaysian citizens rightfully need to ensure common acceptable terms, definitions, quantifications etc in describing the issues that envelope the illegal migrant in this Sabah factor. No one, and I am confident, no one without a term of reference will ever begin to understand how to even start an approach to a solution. As such, firstly LKS moves to have an RCI established on this matter represent the most even keel approach; anything less than an RCI for a reference will lead Malaysian citizen astray. Secondly, Sabah BN MPs who commented they have a solution in hand will remain just that- comment, devoid of practical plans. At best they are self serving to the many precedents. Some of the issues in this Sabah factors that begs to be defined are, and others are free to add to this list: . factors making these illegal migrant favor Sabah, . demography, and point of origin, . religious context, etc Historians, sociologists, political scientists and religious bodies should contribute professionally to this matter in addition to the proper motion proposed by LKS. The illegal migrant issue in Sabah is complex and monumental, and putting a proper handle to it shall require at least a coalition of the principled and willing. Talks and promises from various Malaysian legal, political, NGOs, youth wings etc [none from religious bodies as yet] to solve the matter have all been heard in bygone eras without any materially substantial reduction and or stoppages of the influx of such migrant, and yet further talks are just parroting the past two decades of let-you-feel-good mumbo jumbo, which roped in law enforcement and military initiatives to suit of the moments.

Because of the complexity of the matter, Malaysian citizens rightfully need to ensure common acceptable terms, definitions, quantifications etc in describing the issues that envelope the illegal migrant in this Sabah factor. No one, and I am confident, no one without a term of reference will ever begin to understand how to even start an approach to a solution.

As such, firstly LKS moves to have an RCI established on this matter represent the most even keel approach; anything less than an RCI for a reference will lead Malaysian citizen astray.

Secondly, Sabah BN MPs who commented they have a solution in hand will remain just that- comment, devoid of practical plans. At best they are self serving to the many precedents.

Some of the issues in this Sabah factors that begs to be defined are, and others are free to add to this list:
. factors making these illegal migrant favor Sabah,
. demography, and point of origin,
. religious context, etc

Historians, sociologists, political scientists and religious bodies should contribute professionally to this matter in addition to the proper motion proposed by LKS.

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106133 dawsheng Sat, 24 May 2008 02:19:19 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106133 It is a sad day for every Malaysians as long as BN is the government. It is a sad day for every Malaysians as long as BN is the government.

]]> By: Bigjoe http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/comment-page-1/#comment-106118 Bigjoe Sat, 24 May 2008 01:06:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/05/23/may-22-2008-%e2%80%93-sad-day-for-sabah-in-video-and-hansard/#comment-106118 The fact of the matter is that part of the reason why this problem have gone on for so long and have been so severe is because the Sabah politicians themselves would not do anything about it unless there was something in it for them and they tacitly agree to insidious and greedy motive of UMNO. Its why I don't believe Anwar has the ability to turn 30 BN Sabah politicians. I am sure there are a few that genuinely want to turn but 30? Not likely simply because their consuming and pervasive self-interest and cowardice stands in the way. Its ridiculous for the Speaker from Sabah not to let the motion be tabled. To be afraid that the BN Sabah politicians would support it is sheer political self-castration. Even if the Speaker want to support the PM, its not the way to do it. The way to do it would have been slowed down the debate and let the PM dogs go out and round up the Sabah politicians. What the Speaker has done is the fat and lazy eunuch way of doing things.. The fact of the matter is that part of the reason why this problem have gone on for so long and have been so severe is because the Sabah politicians themselves would not do anything about it unless there was something in it for them and they tacitly agree to insidious and greedy motive of UMNO.

Its why I don’t believe Anwar has the ability to turn 30 BN Sabah politicians. I am sure there are a few that genuinely want to turn but 30? Not likely simply because their consuming and pervasive self-interest and cowardice stands in the way.

Its ridiculous for the Speaker from Sabah not to let the motion be tabled. To be afraid that the BN Sabah politicians would support it is sheer political self-castration. Even if the Speaker want to support the PM, its not the way to do it. The way to do it would have been slowed down the debate and let the PM dogs go out and round up the Sabah politicians. What the Speaker has done is the fat and lazy eunuch way of doing things..

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