A hostile posting in yesterday’s thread “Fulfilment of 30-year dream of Sabahans in the hands of Sabah BN MPs” reminded me that the first time I raised the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah was exactly 30 years ago.
I referred to this in my speech in Kota Kinabalu at the 37th DAP anniversary dinner on 4th July 2003, which is worth revisiting, viz:
This is the 40th anniversary of Sabah when together with Sarawak and Singapore, Malaysia was formed in 1963 from an expanded Malaya. It is also a time for an assessment of the successes and failures of nationhood and political development in the past four decades in Sabah.
There is probably no better start for such an assessment than an encounter with a taxi-driver in Kota Kinabalu. In the past few days, the planes are beginning to be full again, hotel room occupancy rates up and travel business and local economy starting to revive after the crippling effects of the SARS outbreak.
But the comment of a Kota Kinabalu taxi-driver was most perceptive and meaningful, when he posed the question: “What is the SARS outbreak for three months when the people of Sabah had been suffering from SARS for seven long years!”
I was at first mystified by what the taxi-driver meant, whether Sabah had secretly been the victim of the fatal SARS outbreak for seven long years without the knowledge of the people in Malaysia , the world and the WHO!
The taxi-driver enlightened me that the SARS outbreak which had afflicted Sabah for seven years is not the frightening new disease which had killed hundreds of people in China, Hong Kong, Canada, Singapore and Malaysia but stands for “Saham Amanah Rakyat Sabah” syndrome!
In 1996, the then Sabah Chief Minister Yong Teck Lee persuaded 57,000 Sabahans to invest in SAS – Saham Amanah Sabah – convincing them that it was a great buy which would multiply its value twice or thrice its original price of one ringgit! Today, SAS has reached the point of no return, dropped from RM1 to below 20 sen, with some telling me that it is now worth only 19 sen while others putting it as low as 12 sen – incurring over RM400 million losses!
DAP MP for Bukit Mertajam, Chong Eng and the DAP MP for Batu Gajah, Fong Po Kuan had just given a multimedia presentation of the great deterioration of law and order in the country resulting in the high rate of crime and the fear of crime, recently illustrated by the brutal Canny Ong abduction-rape-murder in Kuala Lumpur, marking the end of an era of public security and citizen safety in the streets, public spaces and even homes.
Sabah lost that innocence more than 30 years ago – when Sabah was transformed from a very safe and law-abiding state where people had no qualms or fears to leave their houses unlocked because of a non-existing crime rate to a a very unsafe place because of the influx of illegal immigrants.
The following judgment could serve as a verdict of 40 years of nationhood and development in Sabah:
“The management of Sabah’s resources, civil service and political situation are among the factors contributing to the state’s lackluster economic performance. Sabah was once a wealthy state but it has reached a point of no return and is now in the same economic league as Kelantan.”
This indictment of 40 years of development of Sabah did not come from the DAP or the Opposition but was made by an UMNO national leader who would have been the country’s Finance Minister if he had not lost the 1999 general election – Datuk Mustapha Mohamad, now the National Economic Action Council executive director at a dialogue at Universiti Malaysia Sabah in Kota Kinabalu in February this year!
Sabah has reached such economic doldrums not because of inefficient and bungling Opposition rule – but after nine years of Barisan Nasional government with its special brand of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister.
Sabah is a special state and has a long list of “firsts”, though many with dubious honour, in Malaysia.
One such dubious “first” is in having the most number of Chief Ministers in the past 40 years as compared, for instance, with Sarawak – both of which joined together to form Malaysia 40 years ago. In the past 40 years, Sarawak had four Chief Ministers but Sabah had as many as 13 Chief Ministers!
Having so many Chief Ministers should be a blessing and a boon to the people of Sabah, in particular seven Chief Ministers in the past nine years, if Chief Ministers competed as to who can serve the people and state better – but it would undeniably be a curse for Sabah if so many Chief Ministers in so short a span of time only resulted in the competition as to who could serve themselves and their cronies better at the expense of the people and the state.
Barisan Nasional’s rotation of the Sabah Chief Minister system has proved to be a double disaster for Sabah. It was introduced by the Barisan Nasional as a gambit to wrest state power from the PBS of Datuk Seri Josteph Pairin Kitingan, allegedly to prove a higher commitment to the principles of multi-racialism and political pluralism.
It has not worked out as promised as in the past nine years, there had been four Chief Ministers from UMNO, two Chinese Chief Ministers claiming to represent the Chinese community, while the Kadazandusun community had only one Chief Minister who lasted only 14 months!
The system of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister has left the people and state of Sabah even more worse-off with every rotation.
When I came to Sabah in the seventies, I highlighted three burning issues close to the heart of the people – the issues of illegal immigrants, corruption and democracy!
In all these three issues, the situation today is even worse than they were three decades ago. In fact, democracy in Sabah had gone back by some 20 years, with the Sabah State Assembly reduced to a one-party chamber where the voice, grievances and aspirations of the ordinary people could no more be heard! To restore democracy, the people of Sabah have to go back 20 years to the “Spirit of Tambunan” in the Tambunan by-election in 1984 marking the the beginning of an awakening and commitment to end unpopular rule, corruption and misgovernance in the state.
The issue of illegal immigrants has become so serious over the decades that it has fundamentally altered the demographic, political, economic and even constitutional landscape in the state, to the extent that many Sabahans are very disturbed and alienated that the majority of the state’s population of 2.6 million are not genuine Sabahans or Malaysians!
Kota Kinabalu, for instance, has become the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance not only in Sabah but also in Malaysia. The scandal of the most exorbitant municipal car-parking rates remained unresolved, as despite the various adjustments to the regime of the highest car-parking rates in the country topping RM38.50 a day, the KK Municipal Council is slated to up its overall car-park collection by 30%.
From Wisma Merdeka to Centrepoint, there are 22 Twentieth Century Lamp-posts which are the symbols of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance in Malaysia – as they cost the people RM2.1 million or RM46,000 each when their cost was only RM5,000 each.
But there can be no more blatant symbol of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance than the outrageous scandal of the closure of a public road for a private purpose, the closure of the Jalan Jati for the Sugar Bun operation.
Although the issue has been taken to court in a legal challenge as to the legality of the closure of Jalan Jati by the KK Municipality for a private purpose, I find it most shocking that this issue has remained unresolved whether by the KK Municipality or the Sabah State Government for the past four years since mid-2000.
I am not talking about the law, but the public morality and good governance of the decision. The refusal of the authorities concerned to revoke the closure of Jalan Jati and return it from private use to common public use is the height of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance of the Kota Kinabalu Municipality and the Sabah State Government.
A survey and assessment of the political development and nation building of Sabah in the past 40 years reminds one of the imagery of swarm of locusts laying barren a rich and verdant land – that in the past 40 years, Sabah had been had been laid bare by swarms of “political locusts” downgrading it from a “once wealthy state to the same economic league as Kelantan” reaching “a point of no return”!
This is why the forthcoming Sabah state general election and the 11th national general election are so critical and unlike previous general elections – for the voters of Kota Kinabalu and Sabah must unite to open up Jalan Jati, open up Kota Kinabalu, open up Sabah and open up Malaysia to democracy, justice, fair play and good governance!
There is a further reason why the coming elections are two crucial tests for democracy and nation-building in Sabah and Malaysia – as the very basis of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement which constitutes the basis for the formation of Malaysia is facing unprecedented challenge.
The Cobbold Commission Report 1963, the founding document of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement, published the memorandum which was submitted by the Donald Stephens as Chairman of the Malaysia Solidarity Consultative Committee on 23rd February 1962, which said: “It is satisfied that the acceptance of Islam as the religion of the Federation would not endanger religious freedom within Malaysia nor will it make Malaysia a State less secular”.
The “929 Declaration” by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Dr. Mahathir Mohamad on Sept. 29, 2001 that Malaysia is an Islamic State goes against the very fundamentals of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement of a democratic, secular and multi-religious nation where Islam is the official religion but Malaysia is not an Islamic State – whether ala-UMNO or ala-PAS.
The fathers of the Merdeka Constitution and the Malaysia Agreement were not anti-Islam or any religion when they declared Islam as the official religion would not in anyway undermine or compromise the secular basis and character of multi-religious Malaysia – that “it will make Malaysia a State less secular”.
This is the fundamental constitutional principle and nation-building cornerstone which has been challenged by the “929 Declaration” and why Sabahans should stand in the very forefront with all other like-minded Malaysians to defend and uphold the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement to preserve, defend and uphold the democratic, secular and multi-religious basis and character of Sabah and Malaysia.

#1 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:02 pm
oknyua,
It does not matter what Killer’s status or true role is.
All that matter is this – prove his claims otherwise we take it as a lot of hot air.
#2 by novice101 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:05 pm
Chandra is not the only despicable person in the present political scenario. Today we have 2 new persons to add to the list and also 2 organisations.
PAS and PKR are the organisations and Nik Aziz and Azizah are the new individuals!
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha!
#3 by seage on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:13 pm
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha! [Novice101]
The invitation is meant to be an insult. Duhh..
#4 by novice101 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:15 pm
Just stand aside and watch the show unfolding. See the endless shadow play of the directionless characters.
mahathir is laughing in his heart at the gutless AAB. When they meet in Japan he will be wearing the despicable smile. After the meeting he will be poring scorn at malleable AAB.
#5 by Richardqed on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:15 pm
YB Kit,
Ignore the joker called Killer. It is clear he is an Umnoputra aiming to create havoc on your blog. He not only slanders you, but was also trying to say bad things about RPK. A look at all his posts will indicate that his intentions are anything except decent.
I wouldn’t bother about letting such a joker make posts on your site. Just remove his id. If he creates another one, remove that too.
There is NO POINT playing a fair game with dirty players hiding in the dark. Let him come out into the open if he really wants to put forward his point. Save your time for better things.
Thanks.
#6 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:38 pm
LKS deft move in this RCI motion is much to be admired, and I have likened it to forging in the process of being sidelined off the NEP. Look at AAB, an NEP beneficiary, he should have long ago anticipated this move and should have cushioned it a bit.
Admiration aside, I wonder if commentators really know what iis at stake in the illegal migrant constant tide. Look, we are all just peeking at the tip of the berg. The big picture is there, quite obvious and it needs protection at ALL cost, for it must achieve its aim.
#7 by melurian on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:42 pm
“The invitation is meant to be an insult. Duhh..”
u never know mahathir, what happen if he has the cheek to sign up in jest , what would anwar say ? he oledi made a lot empty promises, so he not such much like aab anyway….. but najob is worse among the 2 ….. everything he involved sure got ppl die one ….
#8 by lakilompat on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:44 pm
Why Sabahan and Sarawakian paying higher premium for everything? their newspaper is much costlier than Peninsula, but how come most of the timbers used to make these papers are produced there. Aren’t the BN govt. robbing them?
#9 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:57 pm
“Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue….. The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. [Killer].”
No. TDM is not the villian; he is no more but a career or part messenger of the whole game plan. So I do not thing Killer know more than LKS, even if Killer is one of those who wrote their degrees thesis based on part Sabah Illegal Populace.
The root cause lies with man’s obsession of religion; when this obsession is translated into a need to complete the ‘base’, obviously the far flung islands of the far east is the best suited for such ‘base’. I bet Killer missed this..
#10 by kerishamuddinitis on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 2:14 pm
Yo people, I agree with Godfather. Let’s engage KILLER. I know I did tell him sometime ago to go kiss ass on the blogs of Ali Rasuah, Toyol and Mud Tahi. But now, I think the more he writes, the more we get to understand their brand of twisted logic, half-truths and blatant lies. I for one am enjoying reading all the gory details of the sins of BN. Go Killer, go…but don’t get your head stuck up your boss’s posterior orifice, though.
#11 by novice101 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 2:41 pm
Just stand aside and watch the show unfolding. See the endless shadow play of the directionless characters.
mahathir is laughing in his heart at the gutless, spineless AAB. When they meet in Japan he will be wearing the despicable smile. After the meeting he will be pouring scorn at malleable AAB.
Did any earth shaterring event occur after he resigned? It is already 2 days – it must disappoint him to no end. He thought there will be an exodus, so the majority of the people is right, mahathirism is dead.
He knew that he and AAB will be going to Japan. He made the move because he knows the spineless lot will ask to meet him there. Now, he will have even more scorn and disrespect for this lot.
As to najid, what else can you expect from him. Isn’t this his normal behavior. Hadn’t he stood with Ku Li and Musa Hitan till the last minute and then switched to mahathir’s side. Remember? Remember?
Chandra is not the only despicable person in the present political scenario. Today we have 2 new persons to add to the list and also 2 organisations.
PAS and PKR are the organisations and Nik Aziz and Azizah are the new individuals!
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha!
#12 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:29 pm
“We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005
#13 by pkrian on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:31 pm
A response to killer, from a famous quote:
“do not ask what other people can do or offer you, ask yourself how would you offer to the state of Sabah”
wouldn’t it unfair by simply pointing your fingers at kit?
#14 by Richardqed on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:33 pm
I think anyone with a knowledge of what happened to Anwar over the past 10 years will know that his wife is merely poking fun at TDM.
TDM deserves the humiliation he is getting, seeing that no one significant is following in his quit move.
#15 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:33 pm
Well…I can’t be KJ or an Umno member lah…fortunately or unfortunately my religion and race disqualify me.
I hope some of you here could also direct me to those UMNO folks in charge of Cyber Warfare. I heard (from here also) that the job of the Cyber Trooper is a well-paid one (Rm 2k for a few hours worth of blogging/posting).
#16 by humanly on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:49 pm
YB Kit,
You looked great officiating the Pesta Kaamatan (Harvest Festival) at the Tg Aru Plaza. It would have been more complete if you were adorned with the sigar (native headgear).
If there is an open contest for Huguon Siou (paramount chief of the Kadazandusun Murut), I bet my money on you cos Pairin had lost his stature in the community. You are more vocal and effective than Pairin. Even his own power base are disillusioned with him.
The first Huguon Siou was Donald Stephen who later became Stephen Fuad. He was only half native. Pairin’s wife is Chinese.
From conversations, the KDMs (kadazanDusunMurut) hold you in high esteem as a fearless defender of social justice.
#17 by Saint on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:58 pm
Dear Killer,
You are too naive (I do not want to use a harsh word) and at the same time too proud to accept the truth. One does not blame the opposition for not taking care of the Sabahans. It is the duty of the Sabah people, the Sabah politicians and the UMNO led government the Sabahans voted in and are still supporting, to start the move to solve the problem.
Many of us in this blog, (residing in W. Malaysia-including myself) have raised the issue of Sabah many times, but that is so much we can do.
Since you know Sabah so well; why not work towards making your Sabah MP’s to join PR. Start a “peoples movement”, then just blaming Saudara Kit.
And I feel the word “Kid” was uncalled for.
#18 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:23 pm
Dear Dapsters
Let’s talk about Sabah. Obviously I have no confidential information that I can share with Kit or with the folks here. Even if I have I would be complete moron to divulge it in an open forum (especially in this open forum).
My knowledge comes from spending my time in Sabah as well as having friends and staff from that state. I also have family members living there for many years now. So you don’t have to work for the SB or Home Ministry to know what had happened in Sabah.
Since AAB became PM, the calls by Sabahans to reverse the excesses of Dr M’s rule became louder as their frustrations boiled over. Some of the Sabah ministers (both state and cabinet levels) made their point rather forcefully to AAB. To be fair to AAB he did initiate some actions (go and read the papers or surf the net for the details) but I don’t think the problems were really solved. As I had said the issue is complex and there are no easy solutions.
But by calling for the RIC, Kit is more interested in indulging on a witch-hunt rather than solving the real issue. The real and urgent issue is solving the problem of illegal immigrants. The RIC is a secondary issue that can wait.
That’s why I am questioning Kit’s sincerity in tabling this motion. If he has Sabah and Sabahan at heart, he would be asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC. So that’s why I am saying Kit is just another politician taking Sabahans for a ride.
#19 by devilmaster on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:43 pm
Could you please enlighten everyone of us what kind of actions you had in mind beside establishing Royal Commission of Inquiry? Sending the current batch of illegal immigrants back to their own country and expecting another batch to arrive?
Dont try to shield away the mess Umno created in Sabah and accussing someone who wanted to help the Sabahans as a political ploy.
#20 by i_love_malaysia on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:56 pm
Who said there were illegal immigrants in Sabah??? there’s no more illegals in Sabah!!! as all have been legitimately made legal residents of Malaysia by now as BN govn. had all the time i.e. 30 years to legalise them from the time LKS brought up the issue!!! Even a child borned 30 years old would be 30 years old by now and they will vote for UMNO as UMNO let them in and made them the Citizens of Malaysia. No wonder Sabah is under BN control even when political Tsunami swept through Malaysia!!!
#21 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:56 pm
For any defender of UMNO/BN’s political interest, Kit’s asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC is a preferred option because, as I said earlier, calling for a RIC could destabilise UMNO/BN’s government and control of the Dewan Rakyat….
#22 by i_love_malaysia on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:57 pm
“Even a child borned 30 years old would be 30 years old by now” should be a child borned 30 years ago
#23 by NewDAP on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 5:01 pm
Poem for the children of Wenchuan who have died in the earthquake
Hurry child, grab mommy’s hands
Child, tightly grab mommy’s hand
The way to heaven is too dark and mommy’s afraid you’ll hit your head
Hurry, tightly grab mommy’s hands, let mom go with you
Mommy, I’m scared that the road to heaven is too dark
I can’t see your hands since the fallen walls stole the sunshine away
I will never again see your loving gaze
Child, you can go to the road ahead
You will have no sadness, no endless homework, or your father’s scolding
You must remember daddy’s face and mine
In the next life we will walk together again
#24 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 5:36 pm
Dear Jeffrey
I see what you are saying though you are being polite as usual.
Perhaps you are confused. For someone who really has the interest of Sabab in his/her heart would rather fix the problem first than spend time and resources on fixing the people.
I don’t represent BN/UMNO so I can’t speak for them but personally I have no problem with RIC. But that something that we can afford to wait.
However, my point here is NOT whether RIC is needed or otherwise. What I am saying here is I very much doubt Kit really wants to see the problem fixed and help Sabah. I think he is using the opportunity to topple the Federal govt. This is my reading of the situation.
#25 by i_love_malaysia on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 5:39 pm
Unless all Sabahan have come to see the excessess of Putrajaya, they would accept attap house as laxury!!! so why want to change BN govn when they still enjoy the cowboy towns!!!
#26 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:08 pm
It is kind of strange to see so many people suddenly developed an extreme concern for Sabah and bleeding their hearts for them.
Reminds me of the phrase, “crocodile tears”.
#27 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:10 pm
Killer wrote:
“Let’s talk about Sabah. Obviously I have no confidential information that I can share with Kit or with the folks here. Even if I have I would be complete moron to divulge it in an open forum (especially in this open forum).”
Then don’t make unsubstantiated claims in a publicly accessible blog if you can’t prove them. Nobody is going to be That makes you to the complete MORON if you can’t back up your words with facts.
Anyone can claim anything by posting some words in cyberspace and hiding behind an anoymous nick.
#28 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:14 pm
Killer,
You FALSELY accused Kit of not bringing up the issue of illegal immigrants in Sabah in the past.
Which has been proven false as highlighted by Kit himself.
You just blew your own credibility out of the water.
#29 by ahkok1982 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:29 pm
Well, this Killer is just talking out of his rear.
Says he has info but could not divulge it in public forum.
Then says that there are so much info out there but then ask people to go look it up themselves online.
Final verdict: No info. Just BS.
A person who only knows how to tell other people to take quick action but then do not offer any suggestions as to how to do it. Frankly, do you even know how to fix this problem? It is not as easy as going into Sabah, take a mop and mop the place clean. PR is not like BN who breaks the rules to get what they want.
Although PR is eager to help out the people in Sabah, there are so many hurdles to overcome and of course these hurdles are set up none other than BN themselves. PR is not a party which breaks laws just to get what they want although it would be for a good cause. That is what separates PR from BN. That is why the people support PR and not BN.
If this simple reasoning can not get through your thick skull, I would suggest that you read more to expand your knowledge and analytical skills.
You may be a bleeding BN goon or you may be a truly concerned for Sabah but from what you have just wrote, it just makes you look bad to the bone.
#30 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:35 pm
“I think Kit is using this opportunity to topple the federal government.”
And so it shall be because of plenty of excuses for the past 5 years. Nothing got done through sheer incompetence. The typical excuse is that Sleepy Head needs more time, problems more complex than people thought. Mission unaccomplished, and hence needs more time ? And what was the mission ? Theft of public funds, whether it is Sabah, Sarawak or Peninsular Malaysia.
#31 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:37 pm
What I am saying here is I very much doubt Kit really wants to see the problem fixed and help Sabah. Killer
Ok assuming your are right for a second! What should we do with regard to Sabah? It is ok, you can assume that all of us here are oozing crocodile tears; only your tears are genuine. So please tell us what you ought to do to correct the situation in Sabah.
Politics is about opportunity. Even Sdr Lim is an opportunist, he is so for a worthy reason. When UMNO held absolute power, you would probably say there was nothing much we can do. Now that we have a window of opportunity to do something, you would accuse Sdr Lim for being an opportunist. Look, even if you are not a BN cybertrooper, you appear to be someone who just want to show off your intellectual prowess when in actual you have nothing in your head.
#32 by AhPek on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:41 pm
So,Jeffrey, are you saying that this young upstart from Rembau masquerading as the Killer is in fact trying to protect his own political fortune which is fast fading when he questioned YB Kit’s sincerity cos should YB succeed in his proposal in establishing a RCI on the immigrant problem it would also give rise to a prelude to a motion of no confidence on the present BN government? This would be the final nail driven into the BN coffin and your theory on the pincer movement closing in for the kill will be vindicated!
#33 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:01 pm
What should be done about Sabah’s problems ? How the hell would I know ? I am just a common man.
I am neither a MP or a public servant to try to solve the problem of Sabah. That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation.
And if you want to know more about the problem and background, just “google” it my friends.
#34 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:18 pm
A common man, here to pour scorn on Opposition initiatives ? Not being paid to do this ? Wow, you must be the ideal BN supporter.
#35 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:19 pm
how’s the Bentley, Killer ?
#36 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:21 pm
A RIC will serve firstly as an official basis to allocate resources, and secondly to ensure these resource allocations are not seen as a partisan effort. For a complex and monumental issue as the illegal migrant is for Sabah and for Malaysian in general, the RIC is very much required to light up the issues beyond the eye and grasp some of the specifics. Many laymen benefited from reading the IPMC, leading to a much knowledgeable public now because IPMC brings about many specifics for which the general public could not even imagine.
The importance of the RIC cannot be missed for the love of saying do something first before shouting about setting an RIC. Many of you may not be aware the many official stands Sabahan organizations have had on this matter, but they have all been ignored.
LKS intention on this RIC is very clear based on the principles and precedents LKS has set all these while. And unless there is someone else as principled as LKS has been this while, we will have to take his sincerity on this issue.
#37 by mendela on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:23 pm
Do we need to waste our precious time and reply this stupid moron called Killer?
Killer is an airhead!
#38 by humanly on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:35 pm
This blog entry seems to be dedicated to one idiotic commoner called killer. You guys give him too much credit than he deserves.
What a waste of time on a born-loser. Complaints and fault-finding are a born-loser’s forte. Ignorance is his middle name.
YB Kit’s small spark can start a wildfire.
#39 by devilmaster on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:36 pm
The guy who nigglingly picked at somebody but he himself could not come out with an alternative solution. What a farce. Umnoputra have just hit another low-point in talking common sense :mrgreen:
Go into Wikipedia website and type “Project IC”. See for yourself how serious this problem is.
#40 by robert wong on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:55 pm
If BN MPs do not vote for motion, the most severe punishment will fall upon them comes next GE. Mark my words.
#41 by Vidya Young on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:44 pm
Killer – “…..That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation”.
Then why do you $%&£* question YB Kit Siang, who is not in the elected Government, yet? Its obvious you do not read what you write. You shoot off your mouth before your head registers. Typical!! Like it has been said earlier, you are just a waste of time and space. Berambus!!
Kudos to YB Kit Siang for venturing where no one dared.
#42 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:52 pm
Dear cvl…you are the only one who interested in discussing the issue in a rational manner. The rest are only interested in shouting me down and indulge in name-calling.
I can appreciate your points about the RIC, some solid arguments. However, my point is that unlike the case of Lingham tape, this issue is very much more complicated and wider in scope. What is more urgently needed is to stem the tide and clean up the illegals already in the state.
You might or might not know, that there has been already a number of investigations done by commissions, Suhakam and the police. As such, the need for RIC is not critical at this juncture. Talk to Sabahans and the last thing they want is yet another body to conduct yet another inquiry. They just want the problem fixed.
No, unlike you Kit never really pursued the issue other than making some generic anti-BN speech. I can see from his speech that he is unaware of the magnitude of the problem (pls read his speech again). He is just an opportunist politician out to exploit the situation for political expediency just like the Political Transformer aka Anwar Ibrahim.
While I would not claim I have in possession some confidential info, I am certainly more knowledgeable about this issue than Kit or any others who have posted here so far. Of course some of these info are not in public domain and I would not want to share it here as I have no means to back it up by quoting an independent source.
#43 by Loh on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:22 pm
///You might or might not know, that there has been already a number of investigations done by commissions, Suhakam and the police. As such, the need for RIC is not critical at this juncture./// —Killer
Without the Royal Commission to examine Lingam tape, the AG would not have ordered investigation against the named personalities.
There might be investigations done and report produced on illegal immigrants in Sabah, but illegals remain, and new ones are still coming in. So contrary to what is said, Royal Commission on the unnatural increase in the population is important to get the government to act. It is critical at all time for the past 30 years.
The government must have acted as the Deputy speaker of the parliament has rejected discussion on the topic. That is part of ethnic cleansing effort started with TDM. It meets the objective of UMNO.
#44 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:27 pm
Vidya Young Says:
Today at 21: 44.24 (36 minutes ago)
Then why do you $%&£* question YB Kit Siang, who is not in the elected Government, yet? Its obvious you do not read what you write. You shoot off your mouth before your head registers. Typical!! Like it has been said earlier, you are just a waste of time and space. Berambus!!
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Are you suggesting that Kit is beyond questioning ? Are you saying I shouldnt criticise him ?
I see that you are yet another of those proverbial frogs who seems to crowd this blog, so let me make this very clear.
He is an elected MP who is PAID by rakyat. I pay his salary and I expect him to be ACCOUNTABLE and ANSWERABLE.
#45 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:37 pm
Killer posted:
“Dear cvl…you are the only one who interested in discussing the issue in a rational manner.”
Rational manners from you?
Care to explain the FALSE ACCUSATION you made of Kit by stating that he is only looking into the matter of illegal immigrants in Sabah now and not in the past?
Care to explain why you insulted Kit by calling him Kid?
The hypocrisy of UMNOputra wannabes never cease to disgust me…
#46 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:41 pm
Killer posted:
“I am certainly more knowledgeable about this issue than Kit or any others who have posted here so far. Of course some of these info are not in public domain and I would not want to share it here as I have no means to back it up by quoting an independent source.”
You also claim to be very knowledgable about Singapore too, to the extent of equating an average Malaysian’s quality of life with the average Singaporean.
So much for your knowledge – if you can’t prove it, it’s a load of bunkum.
#47 by Vidya Young on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:49 pm
Killer, look for the wooden stump in the eyes of TDM and AAB (and all the Sabah Ministers) before you look for the splinter in YB Kit’s. If your concerns are far more genuine, pray do tell this proverbial frog – what have you, “the holier-than-thou” done about Sabah’s issue? Not as a politician, but as a citizen?
BTW, YB Kit alone does not make the Cabinet. Go raise your grouse with the gall-less Sabah MPs.
#48 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:57 pm
“That’s why I am questioning Kit’s sincerity in tabling this motion. If he has Sabah and Sabahan at heart, he would be asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC. So that’s why I am saying Kit is just another politician taking Sabahans for a ride.” killer
We’d be less than honest not admit to the political impact of a Royal Commission of Inquiry has.
Let’s just say that Kit like many other opposition politicians in stopping illegal immigrants from voting at elections has a political interest in Sabah.
Even in advance countries like the United States voter fraud is still a serious issue. It could come in many forms. Illegal aliens used to be able to vote by just showing their driving licenses to officials manning the booths. In Malaysia the extent of fraud is more serious as it leads to the highest levels of government.
#49 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:37 pm
“He is an elected MP who is PAID by rakyat. I pay his salary and I expect him to be ACCOUNTABLE and ANSWERABLE.” K I L L E R
Do you expect the same of your bosses in UMNO ? Don’t have double standards. We have been paying the den of thieves for 50 years, and we are still pay for our sins.
#50 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:37 pm
…we are still paying for our sins….