It was 30 years ago that I first raised the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah


A hostile posting in yesterday’s thread “Fulfilment of 30-year dream of Sabahans in the hands of Sabah BN MPs” reminded me that the first time I raised the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah was exactly 30 years ago.

I referred to this in my speech in Kota Kinabalu at the 37th DAP anniversary dinner on 4th July 2003, which is worth revisiting, viz:

This is the 40th anniversary of Sabah when together with Sarawak and Singapore, Malaysia was formed in 1963 from an expanded Malaya. It is also a time for an assessment of the successes and failures of nationhood and political development in the past four decades in Sabah.

There is probably no better start for such an assessment than an encounter with a taxi-driver in Kota Kinabalu. In the past few days, the planes are beginning to be full again, hotel room occupancy rates up and travel business and local economy starting to revive after the crippling effects of the SARS outbreak.

But the comment of a Kota Kinabalu taxi-driver was most perceptive and meaningful, when he posed the question: “What is the SARS outbreak for three months when the people of Sabah had been suffering from SARS for seven long years!”

I was at first mystified by what the taxi-driver meant, whether Sabah had secretly been the victim of the fatal SARS outbreak for seven long years without the knowledge of the people in Malaysia , the world and the WHO!

The taxi-driver enlightened me that the SARS outbreak which had afflicted Sabah for seven years is not the frightening new disease which had killed hundreds of people in China, Hong Kong, Canada, Singapore and Malaysia but stands for “Saham Amanah Rakyat Sabah” syndrome!

In 1996, the then Sabah Chief Minister Yong Teck Lee persuaded 57,000 Sabahans to invest in SAS – Saham Amanah Sabah – convincing them that it was a great buy which would multiply its value twice or thrice its original price of one ringgit! Today, SAS has reached the point of no return, dropped from RM1 to below 20 sen, with some telling me that it is now worth only 19 sen while others putting it as low as 12 sen – incurring over RM400 million losses!

DAP MP for Bukit Mertajam, Chong Eng and the DAP MP for Batu Gajah, Fong Po Kuan had just given a multimedia presentation of the great deterioration of law and order in the country resulting in the high rate of crime and the fear of crime, recently illustrated by the brutal Canny Ong abduction-rape-murder in Kuala Lumpur, marking the end of an era of public security and citizen safety in the streets, public spaces and even homes.

Sabah lost that innocence more than 30 years ago – when Sabah was transformed from a very safe and law-abiding state where people had no qualms or fears to leave their houses unlocked because of a non-existing crime rate to a a very unsafe place because of the influx of illegal immigrants.

The following judgment could serve as a verdict of 40 years of nationhood and development in Sabah:

“The management of Sabah’s resources, civil service and political situation are among the factors contributing to the state’s lackluster economic performance. Sabah was once a wealthy state but it has reached a point of no return and is now in the same economic league as Kelantan.”

This indictment of 40 years of development of Sabah did not come from the DAP or the Opposition but was made by an UMNO national leader who would have been the country’s Finance Minister if he had not lost the 1999 general election – Datuk Mustapha Mohamad, now the National Economic Action Council executive director at a dialogue at Universiti Malaysia Sabah in Kota Kinabalu in February this year!

Sabah has reached such economic doldrums not because of inefficient and bungling Opposition rule – but after nine years of Barisan Nasional government with its special brand of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister.

Sabah is a special state and has a long list of “firsts”, though many with dubious honour, in Malaysia.

One such dubious “first” is in having the most number of Chief Ministers in the past 40 years as compared, for instance, with Sarawak – both of which joined together to form Malaysia 40 years ago. In the past 40 years, Sarawak had four Chief Ministers but Sabah had as many as 13 Chief Ministers!

Having so many Chief Ministers should be a blessing and a boon to the people of Sabah, in particular seven Chief Ministers in the past nine years, if Chief Ministers competed as to who can serve the people and state better – but it would undeniably be a curse for Sabah if so many Chief Ministers in so short a span of time only resulted in the competition as to who could serve themselves and their cronies better at the expense of the people and the state.

Barisan Nasional’s rotation of the Sabah Chief Minister system has proved to be a double disaster for Sabah. It was introduced by the Barisan Nasional as a gambit to wrest state power from the PBS of Datuk Seri Josteph Pairin Kitingan, allegedly to prove a higher commitment to the principles of multi-racialism and political pluralism.

It has not worked out as promised as in the past nine years, there had been four Chief Ministers from UMNO, two Chinese Chief Ministers claiming to represent the Chinese community, while the Kadazandusun community had only one Chief Minister who lasted only 14 months!

The system of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister has left the people and state of Sabah even more worse-off with every rotation.

When I came to Sabah in the seventies, I highlighted three burning issues close to the heart of the people – the issues of illegal immigrants, corruption and democracy!

In all these three issues, the situation today is even worse than they were three decades ago. In fact, democracy in Sabah had gone back by some 20 years, with the Sabah State Assembly reduced to a one-party chamber where the voice, grievances and aspirations of the ordinary people could no more be heard! To restore democracy, the people of Sabah have to go back 20 years to the “Spirit of Tambunan” in the Tambunan by-election in 1984 marking the the beginning of an awakening and commitment to end unpopular rule, corruption and misgovernance in the state.

The issue of illegal immigrants has become so serious over the decades that it has fundamentally altered the demographic, political, economic and even constitutional landscape in the state, to the extent that many Sabahans are very disturbed and alienated that the majority of the state’s population of 2.6 million are not genuine Sabahans or Malaysians!

Kota Kinabalu, for instance, has become the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance not only in Sabah but also in Malaysia. The scandal of the most exorbitant municipal car-parking rates remained unresolved, as despite the various adjustments to the regime of the highest car-parking rates in the country topping RM38.50 a day, the KK Municipal Council is slated to up its overall car-park collection by 30%.

From Wisma Merdeka to Centrepoint, there are 22 Twentieth Century Lamp-posts which are the symbols of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance in Malaysia – as they cost the people RM2.1 million or RM46,000 each when their cost was only RM5,000 each.

But there can be no more blatant symbol of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance than the outrageous scandal of the closure of a public road for a private purpose, the closure of the Jalan Jati for the Sugar Bun operation.

Although the issue has been taken to court in a legal challenge as to the legality of the closure of Jalan Jati by the KK Municipality for a private purpose, I find it most shocking that this issue has remained unresolved whether by the KK Municipality or the Sabah State Government for the past four years since mid-2000.

I am not talking about the law, but the public morality and good governance of the decision. The refusal of the authorities concerned to revoke the closure of Jalan Jati and return it from private use to common public use is the height of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance of the Kota Kinabalu Municipality and the Sabah State Government.

A survey and assessment of the political development and nation building of Sabah in the past 40 years reminds one of the imagery of swarm of locusts laying barren a rich and verdant land – that in the past 40 years, Sabah had been had been laid bare by swarms of “political locusts” downgrading it from a “once wealthy state to the same economic league as Kelantan” reaching “a point of no return”!

This is why the forthcoming Sabah state general election and the 11th national general election are so critical and unlike previous general elections – for the voters of Kota Kinabalu and Sabah must unite to open up Jalan Jati, open up Kota Kinabalu, open up Sabah and open up Malaysia to democracy, justice, fair play and good governance!

There is a further reason why the coming elections are two crucial tests for democracy and nation-building in Sabah and Malaysia – as the very basis of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement which constitutes the basis for the formation of Malaysia is facing unprecedented challenge.

The Cobbold Commission Report 1963, the founding document of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement, published the memorandum which was submitted by the Donald Stephens as Chairman of the Malaysia Solidarity Consultative Committee on 23rd February 1962, which said: “It is satisfied that the acceptance of Islam as the religion of the Federation would not endanger religious freedom within Malaysia nor will it make Malaysia a State less secular”.

The “929 Declaration” by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Dr. Mahathir Mohamad on Sept. 29, 2001 that Malaysia is an Islamic State goes against the very fundamentals of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement of a democratic, secular and multi-religious nation where Islam is the official religion but Malaysia is not an Islamic State – whether ala-UMNO or ala-PAS.

The fathers of the Merdeka Constitution and the Malaysia Agreement were not anti-Islam or any religion when they declared Islam as the official religion would not in anyway undermine or compromise the secular basis and character of multi-religious Malaysia – that “it will make Malaysia a State less secular”.

This is the fundamental constitutional principle and nation-building cornerstone which has been challenged by the “929 Declaration” and why Sabahans should stand in the very forefront with all other like-minded Malaysians to defend and uphold the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement to preserve, defend and uphold the democratic, secular and multi-religious basis and character of Sabah and Malaysia.

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  1. #1 by Godfather on Wednesday, 21 May 2008 - 11:15 pm

    Don’t worry about the UMNOputra Killer’s posting. He was in his diapers when you were fighting for a fair Malaysia. Furthermore, you did not enrich yourselves at the expense of Sabahans or others, unlike those leeches in UMNO.

  2. #2 by eagle_eyes on Wednesday, 21 May 2008 - 11:33 pm

    Uncle Lim, if this the way you saw our problem long time before, now and the future, DAP surely would get more votes in future political elections. I would surely vote for you and How my wish that our present Sabah Chief Minister would have the same approach like this. I respect you Uncle Lim..

  3. #3 by lchk on Wednesday, 21 May 2008 - 11:36 pm

    Well said Kit.

    Killer @ Realworld @ UMNO cybertrooper was LYING when he claimed that you were raising the issue of illegal immigrants in Sabah NOW when many of us already knew that you had brought it up time and again over the years (referring to your past speeches and books written by you).

    Killer, a word of advise for you – next time you want to slander Kit or anyone of repute in cyberspace or elsewhere, please do some research first before you mouth off like some slavering mutt who hasn’t had a bite in days. It makes you look utterly idiotic as this blog entry by Kit has clearly shown.

  4. #4 by badak on Wednesday, 21 May 2008 - 11:39 pm

    All trouble stated when UMNO step foot in Sabah.The cancer in UMNO.IS BAD REALLY BAD.My take is that UMNO will not last another year. Now all the fence sitters in UMNO are waiting to jump.

  5. #5 by Godfather on Wednesday, 21 May 2008 - 11:45 pm

    Sabah’s problem with illegals may have started under Mustapha Mohamed, but the it accelerated under Mahathir’s 22 year rule. For a start, Sabah UMNO was an upstart created by Mahathir’s disdain of the local parties that would constantly hold the federal government to ransom whenever they felt that they had the upper hand. Mahathir also thought that the country should have an optimal population of 70 million, so what better way to grow the population than to “admit” as many Indonesians and Filipinos as possible into Sabah provided they meet certain criteria such as language and religion. The third objective of Mahathir was to have a certain degree of knowledge and control over the insurgency in Mindanao, which Mahathir covertly supported against the legitimate Philippine government.

    The implementation of Mahathir’s grand plans became a money-spinning machine for those involved – ICs became available for sale, every party clamoured to hold the CM position to enrich itself, and vast tracts of pristine jungle were cleared for oil palm. Hundreds of thousands of hectares of land were given to cronies of BN parties for logging, and subsequently for planting oil palm. The law of the jungle prevailed to this day in Sabah. Disputes are settled through the barrels of guns, and a former UMNO CM could even afford to lose millions in a highly publicised gambling debt case. Environmental considerations are routinely brushed aside in the name of development.

    The current situation cannot be resolved by a person of Badawi’s shallow intellectual capacity. It requires a total overhaul of the system that BN – being the perpetrator of the problem – is unwilling or unable to make. Sabahans must take a cue from their brethren in Peninsular Malaysia to make a drastic change.

  6. #6 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:02 am

    Sdr Lim,
    The fact that you allow Killer to post whatever he wished (even unjustified accusations) is a manifestation of who you are and what you stand for. No body can blackmail you, no body can unfairly accuse you, and no body can sabotage you because you stay truth to your principle. It has been 40 years; if you have any skeleton in the closet, it would have been long exposed, knowing the countless spineless vultures in the Malaysian political scene. You are the epitome of what principled politics is all about. I wish all aspiring politicians from all political parties will look to you for a better Malaysia.

  7. #7 by UzMiNoOnist on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:29 am

    It will be alright if we identify who are these UMNO cyber squatters. Name them here.

  8. #8 by Xiao He on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:08 am

    Pairin and his PBS are to be blamed for the now rampant illegal immigrant problems in Sabah.. They were the Sabah state government since the mid 80′s.. If they were to block those illegal immigrants since then, it won’t become the current uncontrolled situation..

    Also, while they were controlling the Sabah state legislative assembly, why allow for the gerry-mandering of the state constituencies, where the muslim bumiputra majority seats were created till more than the non-muslim bumiputra majority and chinese majority seats combined..

    Pairin and PBS are in fact the traitors of their own Kadazan-Dusun-Murut people..

    Shame on Pairin, the Hugoun Sion, or Paramount Leader of Kadazan..

  9. #9 by Xiao He on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 1:15 am

    My friend who is working in kota kinabalu told me that since the entry (read “intrusion”) of UMNO into Sabah, the state has become more and more “Islamized”.. More and more people are wearing tudungs nowadays..

    Back in the 80′s, basically all races, no matter you are a muslim, christian and buddhist, all can sit together inside the same restaurant or coffee shop for meals.. The muslims even ate “keow teow sup” cooked by Chinese, with pork inside the keow teow sup.. The muslim will just pick out those porks and avoid eating them, and he can happily eat the keow teow and sup.. Just like many chinese didn’t take beef, and when we encounter beef in our “fried mee”, we just pick out those beef and avoid it, and can happily eat the fried mee.. What’s the big deal?

  10. #10 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 3:45 am

    UMNO supporter behind the hostile posting understands the wider political implications of your proposal to establish RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah. Of course you have been talking about illegal immigrants in Sabah through the years but the timing now is disconcerting (to UMNO supporters), considering that with 82 Pakatan Rakyat MPs in support, you need just 24 BN/Sabah MPs, concerned about the problem in their homeland, to carry through your proposal in parliament at a time when TDM is asking UMNO members to leave the party! Although no one can doubt your sincerity to address the Sabah problem – proven through the years – no one should underestimate the political impact and implications of your Opposition proposal being carried through (with 24 BN/Sabah MPs’ support) overwhelming the BN’s collective votes against (at a time when speculations of ‘crossovers’ from Sabah/Sarawak to enable Pakatan Rakyat to form the government before end of the year are in the air! Are you not testing waters?

  11. #11 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:13 am

    24 BN/Sabah MPs – and the BN Sarawak BN MPs – control about 24 per cent of the seats in Parliament. They are the king-makers. Ruling party does not know exactly how many amongst them are Trojan horses – ie. people disgruntled with ‘parti penjajah’ in East Malaysia; people who would have joined Pakatan Rakyat (PR) prior to 8th March but were advised to contest and prioritize winning seats under BN ticket first to see how PR could perform in 12th General Election and only if the PR Opposition won with a large enough minority – and all it needed were just a few extra seats to defeat the government’s motion and form the government – should they show their face, leave the ruling coalition and join the Opposition, in the process toppling the government to form a new one!

    These are troubled times (for UMNO/BN).

    Reasons: Firstly, the widely speculated opportunism of many East Malaysian politicians with this attitude -”Kita meyertai Umno kerana Umno berkuasa di Sabah tetapi kita harap Umno akan jatuh supaya kita boleh kembali ke parti asal.” ["We are Umno members but we dont' like Umno. We joined Umno because Umno is strong in Sabah but we hope Umno will fall so that we can continue with our original party."] They may just swing to the “winning side” – the coalition of the future.; second, even member No. 1 on UMNO members registration list (TDM) and No. 2, his wife have resigned from the party and calling others to do so…..If East Malaysians politicians perceive UMNO imploding, BN a fast sinking titanic, they are readier and may just jump ship!

    That is why your timing to introduce the proposal at this time – to test waters – is impeccable ; equally very disconcerting/upsetting to UMNO/BN supporters because its striking at their achilles heel at this politically vulnerable moment, although they don’t say it out loud but instead commit error of fact in saying that you have not spoken up for East Malaysians before this time. That could be the reason behind hostile posting accusing you of political opportunism. :)

  12. #12 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 4:31 am

    Dear YB.

    Just do it.

    You cannot please everyone all the time. As long as it is good for the raayat and mankind. God bless you.

  13. #13 by chiakchua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 6:41 am

    We cry for the innocent people of Sabah! What a shame that they had been courted to be ‘a partner’ to form Malaysia to end up as ‘one of the 13 states’! And takes all orders from the UMNOputras (not our innocent Malay brothers, of course) under the pretext of a better future for them but turn out to be a ‘cheat’ to enrich themselves! Gone are the days of a Kadazan Chief Minister on their own NATIVE land? God bless our Kadazandusun Sabahans!

  14. #14 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:34 am

    Kit’s proposal to Parliament to establish RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah is a politically deft and savvy move to drive the screw deeper to existing BN/UMNO’s wounds.

    DSAI has just reiterated Paktan Rakyat’s intentions. Reported on front page NST 22nd May – (Quote: “I do intend to topple the government, we have the numbers”, Anwar said in Singapore yesterday. “I am looking forward to early elections, hopefully before September…We will move the moment we are sure we can contest and a vote of no confidence against the PM in Parliament is our best option……”.

    Sabahans being swamped by immigrants due to UMNO’s policies is an issue dear to their hearts so what Kit’s proposal does is to drive a wedge between BN Sabah MPs and Peninsular UMNO…

    Meanwhile over at Peninsular, TDM (thanks to him) is driving a wedge between his supporters and the rest of UMNO members so that, in terms of potential crossovers, the UMNO/BN is not subject to pressure and attack from two flanks by set of a pincers one from Sabah/East Malaysia and the other from Peninsular.

    BN Sabah MPs face dilemma : if they don’t support Kit’s proposal, they may be booted out in imminent election if DSAI makes the move in September – and if BN Sabah MPs support Kit’s/Pakatan Rakyat’s proposal for RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah now – in defeat of BN’s whip votes against – this indirectly tantamount to “a vote of no confidence against the PM in Parliament” that DSAI talked about, bringing forward the day of reckoning….

  15. #15 by yhsiew on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:12 am

    Have a change of Federal Government and give PR a chance to helm Sabah would be an alternative.

    Mr. Anwar told Singapore reporters that he did intend to topple the government and they had the numbers. He is looking forward to early elections hopefully before September 2008. The moment they are sure they would contest and make a move.

    He said that the government would be fragile if it had a one to two majority, and that a two-thirds majority was not needed. He added that he wanted a majority of five or six and saw a vote of no-confidence in parliament as the best course of action.

  16. #16 by taiking on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:02 am

    Sabahans,
    You really neednt talk to UMNO and bargain for a better position in BN.
    You will not get it.
    It would be a waste your time.
    We all know the reasons.
    I would not waste my time elaborating them.
    Just leave BN.

  17. #17 by maxfedilis on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:16 am

    please brings the Tingkayu matter again to the Parliment.
    the farmer find difficult and fell hard time.
    even the cops didnt do anything about it..
    please..
    i’ve read the matter at Malaysia today..
    http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/7778/84/

    the MP there are sleeping..

  18. #18 by lew1328 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:30 am

    Greetings! YB

    In Malaysia, one of the beauty scenario is some people’s assuming that they knew everything but in actual fact they’re not.

    Kit, you’ve been fighting for the justices in decades and many of them out there still tried to ignore it.

    Anyway, you’ll have our support no matter what is happening.

    Best regards.

  19. #19 by child of wind on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:34 am

    In the 70s, we studies together with many Malay students in secondary school. All of us got along very well. Now I heard many incidents of Malay students fighting with Chinese students in schools. Many teachers from the West teaching in Sabah did the “brainwashing”.

    Some Western countries absorb skillful, educated and business person with experience immigrants, they bring money, knowledge and skill and flourish the country. Sabah brings in illegal immigrants and distroy the paradise under the wind, crime, drug and social problems all start to flourish since Datuk Haris’s time, and Umno make it worse. These are their contribution to our state.

  20. #20 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:36 am

    Killer:

    Are you going to apologise to Kit for making this unfounded allegation ? Are you going to say “sorry” or is this word not in UMNO’s dictionary ? Or will you be parroting your UMNO masters in saying that “the issue of apology does not arise” ?

  21. #21 by oknyua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:51 am

    Godfather, I doubt he wants to apologise. I did warn you guys when I first saw his name here and I warn you guys about who the real person “killer” was.

    Just for your information, “killer” do you remember that Lim Kit Siang was barred from Sabah and Sarawak? In Kuching airport, he was pushed to a wheelchair and lifted back the plane. There, he was guarded until the plane left. YB Lim, do you keep clips of that paper report?

    For a person who was so much hated by Sarawak and Sabah administration, he still spoke for their well-being. Need I say more, friend?

  22. #22 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:11 am

    The word “sorry” is not in UMNO’s dictionary. So is the word “shame”.

  23. #23 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:17 am

    We can look at this motion whatever ways we want – an attempt to put the BN MPs from Sabah in difficult position, an attempt to create a wedge between BN Sabah and the Federal government, or even an attempt to “vote out” the Federal government.

    Frankly, I don’t care what BN think and what some of the bloggers here think. I want to look at this motion purely as what is intended – to call for the setting up of the RCI to investigate excessive abuse of immigration process that has taken place for more than 30 years. We must seek to find out who were responsible for this excessive abuse, the collusion involved, and even the crime perpetrated.

    The BN MPs have been talking very loudly recently, so let them walk the talk. The vote is the vote for the motion to establish the RCI, not a vote of “no confidence” on the Federal Government. We must continue to evolve and progress from what we have been doing for years. Just let our MPs vote according to issue at hand and according to their conscience. Come to think of it, if every damn thing is voted according to party whip, then there is no need for all the MPs attend Parliament. Let them stay put in their respective constituencies. At least we can save some allowances.

  24. #24 by seage on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:29 am

    The voting for the motion is truly a check mate move. If the BN MPs from Sabah cast a vote for the motion (Knowing what happens when you do that within “Bo Nao”), they leave with a legacy and will be remembered by the rakyat. If they do otherwise, it will goes to show the sabahan which person to avoid voting for comes the next election.

    To put it in simple term, the BN MPs from Sabah really has no choice. Voting against the motion is not an option. Its a situation of “If I vote for the motion i will die, but if i vote against it, i will die also”. The solution? Why not die with dignity? They MUST vote for the motion to establish the RCI!

  25. #25 by oknyua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:32 am

    YB Lim,
    The illegal in Sabah is reaching an extreme situation; the problem is W Malaysia is equally alarming.

    I could drive in Klang and Port Klang and recognise who are the illegal “wak.” But why are they tolerated here? If we don’t check this, we are going to face the same problem as Sabahans.

    1. I know one “wak” who is an errant boy for police officers. He drove around, without valid licence and identity. Lately he managed to “buy” a MyCard.

    2. Every minor renovation in the Klang valley seemed to be done by illegal from Indo and India. To the house owner, they are source of cheaper workmanship. To the relevant authorities, they provide external source of income. In fact they openly tell you that upon quoting a contract cost, they include provision for “wang rokok untuk abang-abang yang akan datang.”

    3. There’re some cases I know where illegal married local girls (and illegal woman married local boys).

    Each one or two years, the Internal Ministry (4 years was under the PM), made operations to deport illegal, yet no effort was made to monitor their re-entry. I know of so many cases of these illegal returning here with social pass, continue to rent the same house that they left a month or two earlier. Some even continue to send their children to the same school. Sabah problem is extreme, but we are also going in that direction.

  26. #26 by lakilompat on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:15 am

    After dozen of newborn Malays are born, they embrace the Ketuanaan and Kerdil policy this is supported by their politician and leader. They become Mat Rempit which is subsequently endorse by Azalina as healthy way to past times. When economy turn bad, these Mat Rempit grow teeth and start to bites.

  27. #27 by badak on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:19 am

    Simple solution ask this people with MY KAD to speak malay or even english. You can can clearly see that they are either INDON OR PHILIPS. We are one country but have two set of laws ..one for east and one for west

  28. #28 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:26 am

    Dear Kit

    It was nice of you to respond to my post.

    However, the phrase “shooting in your foot” came to my mind upon reading your speech above.

    First of all, that was just a typical political tirade against the Sabah BN govt that even a third-rate politician would have conjured up within an hour of landing in KK. That you had to be enlightened by a taxi driver betrays the depth of your knowledge about Sabah.

    Secondly, the speech itself was a generic, straight from the toolbox, Whack-The-BN-govt type of speech. The issue of illegal immigrants was just mentioned in passing.

    I am more interested in what you did about the problem? Did you bring it up to the parliament? Did you table any motion? Did you pursue the problem doggedly and vigorously after that?

    If the answer is “YES” to all the above questions, I will gladly apologise to you. If “NO”, then I expect you to be a gentleman enough to admit that you didn’t (I don’t need your apologies).

    And BTW, I don’t care if I am labeled as an UMNO Cybertrooper or even Nazi Storm trooper. I am not ranting or raving here but raising valid points.

    However, if dissenting is labeled as unacceptable then it makes me wonder what kind of values that the party stands for.

    Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue.

    I do believe the Sabahans have been wronged and there are a lot of things that need to be fixed and it is not just the illegal immigrant issue. The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.

    I do hope that all these deeds can be reversed and fixed. Though I do understand that the solution is not so simple. However, I have very little confidence on non-Sabah politicians using this issue as it is always been to further their own political ambitions, like what Kit is trying to do here. He is more interested in toppling the BN govt than in finding a long term and lasting solution to the problem.

  29. #29 by Samuel Goh Kim Eng on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:29 am

    Quite a number of people really know what’s going on
    It’s a question of whether there’s a sellout for a song
    With political bias on things all along known to be wrong
    Let’s hope it’s not too late to keep the citizens strong

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 220508
    http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
    Thur. 22nd May 2008.

  30. #30 by melurian on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:30 am

    those sabahans deserve this – they contributed for bn win so they should not complain for the situation they are now in – most poverty state in malaysia …..

    maybe kadazan should migrate to sarawak or peninsula for better life (their bumi status sooner will probably no more liao), else they will become minorities with the influx from indon, just like cina overnumber the tibetans…..

  31. #31 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:34 am

    Hahaha…sounds like the Rembau Kid talking. Yes, put all the blame on Mahathir, and absolve the current administration. For the past 5 years, what has the Badawi administration done for Sabah, except to remain quiet over the Osu affair, and to allow the Sabahans to keep destroying the environment ?

  32. #32 by Damocles on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:41 am

    The only salvation for this country is to boot out the BN.
    Parliament is, for the opposition, a closed avenue. What with Parliamentary Speakers who will not allow them to voice their views, no matter how valid and/or urgent these may be.
    That’s how issues continue to snowball until our country is what it is today.

  33. #33 by lakilompat on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:42 am

    What’s happening to Uncle YB page, this is the lowest online ppl. I’ve seen after the tsunami.

    Rumour said Uncle YB been sabotage by eggs, is that true incidents?

  34. #34 by seage on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:43 am

    Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue.[Killer]

    The wiser a person gets, the more one found that he’s unwise. Someone claims that the situation is far more serious and a lot complex but yet not doing anything at all.

    What goes around comes around. Killer, please answer the following question:

    “What you did about the problem? Did you bring it up to the parliament? Did you table any motion? Did you pursue the problem doggedly and vigorously after that?”

    If your answer is not a resounding “YES”, then go throw yourself down Mount KK (If you are not a Sabahan, which I am very much inclined to think, I will pay you the airfare for that purpose!). YB LKS may not know the detailed problem or issues faced in Sabah, but remember, one doesn’t need to know how to use drugs and personally used it to advocate the need to stop the abuse for the good of all.

    And BTW, I don’t care if I am labeled as an UMNO Cybertrooper or even Nazi Storm trooper. I am not ranting or raving here but raising valid points.[Killer]

    We don’t care whether YOU CARE whether you are labelled as an UMNO cybertrooper or not, because as far as all are concerned here, what you are doing is of no good to the rakyat at all, PERIOD!

    The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves.Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.[Killer]

    Go flood his blog and something more useful then.

    However, I have very little confidence on non-Sabah politicians using this issue as it is always been to further their own political ambitions, like what Kit is trying to do here. He is more interested in toppling the BN govt than in finding a long term and lasting solution to the problem.[Killer]

    YB LKS is furthering my ambition too, YES, toppling the Bo Nao governtment! Makkal Sakhti!

  35. #35 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:44 am

    Mahathir may have been an active participant in what’s wrong with Sabah today, but Badawi just stood by in the past 5 years and watched. Typical Badawi-style excuses as repeated by Killer here: “problem more complex than you think”, “lot of things need to be fixed, not just the immigrant issue”, “solution not so simple”.

    Excuse after excuse, despite being in power. Power to do what ? Steal the rakyat blind.

  36. #36 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:48 am

    If your UMNO masters can’t solve the problem, PR will gladly give it a try. The rakyat will see to it.

  37. #37 by RitchieLow on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:51 am

    Timing, timing, timing. Uncle Lim, you got it right. Same as what Ghapur says, but his timing was off. This is the right time.

  38. #38 by taiking on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:02 pm

    I think Killer must be appreciated.
    He offered views which are quite obviously different to those held by visitors who are present here.
    Of course, not all his views are well accepted.
    Nonetheless, we should sometimes sit and ponder.
    Killer said that he has more knowledge about Sabah than uncle lim.
    That is a good thing.
    Tell us more.
    Tell uncle lim.
    So that he is better informed than he otherwise would be; and is more equiped to deal with the situation for the good of everyone and the nation.

  39. #39 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:03 pm

    Killer:

    How about making this statement to Kit:

    “I am ashamed of what happened to Sabahans under the Mahathir administration and I am ashamed that the current administration did very little to stem the rot.” Boleh ?

  40. #40 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:07 pm

    Killer,
    It is typical of your posterior talking. Now, you claimed you know more than Sdr Kit and that the problems in Sabah is due to (and I quote), “the main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.”

    Now, based on what you said, may I know what is wrong with Sdr Lim’s proposed motion? Is he not trying to find out what exactly is happening there? Is he not trying to find out who were culpable, who colluded, and who perpetrated the crimes against the sovereignty of Malaysia and the rights of Sabahans. Since, you know so much, may be once the RCI is formed (that is provided the BN MPs from Sabah can at least stand up for once), you may want to come forward to be the star witness.

    The fact that Sdr Lim allowed you to come here to say whatever you want (including wild accusations) is an indication of who he is and what he stands for. You and all the bunkum from BN are nothing when compared with him.

  41. #41 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:08 pm

    Killer wrote:

    “I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants.”

    Killer,

    You claim to know a lot of things.

    About Penang and Sabah socio-political situations, about the welfare of the Indian community, heck even about the quality of life in Singapore. On top of that, you claim to spend a significant amount of time helping the Indian community and spending almost half your time in Singapore.

    However, when I tested you with questions regarding certain matters concerning Singapore, it turns out you know particularly zilch about them.

    It does not engender much confidence in the rest of the folks here if you are exposed for being an ignoramus in one area that you claim to know a lot about (i.e. singapore matters), it’s very likely that you are blowing hot air for other matters that you so proudly claim to be knowledgable about.

  42. #42 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:09 pm

    Godfather, please don’t your time. Just ask him go fly kite.

  43. #43 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:12 pm

    Let’s engage him even more, to show that we are transparent. We tell the truth, so there is no need to lie or spin as we can always remember the truth. They tell lies all the time, which they can’t remember, so they need to continuously spin. Hence their “do-or-die” control of the mainstream press.

  44. #44 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:18 pm

    Killer,

    Since you claim to know more tha Kit with regards to the Sabah illegal immigrant problem, put it in words here.

    Typical UMNOputra – plenty of claims and boasts but totally unfounded and certainly no positive action.

  45. #45 by lchk on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:23 pm

    Godfather,

    I certainly want to Killer to be engaged here.

    He makes a lot of claims and boasts of being more knowledgable than the riff-raff in this blog.

    Hence, I am challenging him to provide evidence in words in this very blog pertaining to his claim that he has intimate knowledge of the current illegal immigrant problem in Sabah and that he knows more than Kit about this matter.

  46. #46 by cheng on soo on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:27 pm

    This ‘killer’ always claim he/ she has more knowledges on just topics from AA to ZZ, but just won’t tell !
    One fact, He /she is very good at twisting & turning facts, others’ opinions, viewpoints, comments etc.
    Nevertheless, sometime (10% or less) he/she does provide some good viewpoints.

  47. #47 by lakilompat on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:32 pm

    What if oneday, PR ruled Malaysia, can the next Malaysia PM vowed to defend the right for Malaysian Females? not Malay or non Malay females.

  48. #48 by lakilompat on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:34 pm

    “This ‘killer’ always claim he/ she has more knowledges on just topics from AA to ZZ, but just won’t tell !
    One fact, He /she is very good at twisting & turning facts, others’ opinions, viewpoints, comments etc.
    Nevertheless, sometime (10% or less) he/she does provide some good viewpoints.”

    Whatever he’s saying as long as it is not based on current e.g. comparing the past, i would treat it as b…sht.

  49. #49 by i_love_malaysia on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:45 pm

    We have monkey in the Parliament and we have Killer in the cyberhouse to entertain us!!! Relak aje!!! Dont be so serious with what he said, but he should not defame any one else!!!

  50. #50 by oknyua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 12:54 pm

    ichk,

    it is true, “killer” knows more than us because he is working in the ministry. He is not cyber trooper, that is too low a position for him. He is very well connected too.

    Because he is posting in YB Lim KS’s blog, he sometimes said one or two positive points about YB Lim and YB LGE. But the next instant he turned and struck.

    But as long as he is decent, welcome him. At least we know the mentality from the other side.

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