BY: Emergency Physician
Dear YB, please speak up for the many concerned parents regarding the deaths and deaths and deaths in the NS camps… it is very very worrying… authorities don’t seems to concern much
i am a doctor, working as a specialist in emergency department… i can somehow guess what had happened… it is ridiculous for a victim to die like that in Kem Semanggol with a simple answer of unknown fever… ridiculous!!! is a case of neglect and delay treatment..
the victim Too Hui Min… again… if not because of neglect and delay of treatment… WHY WHY WHY should a victim complaining of constipation die… it is not the answer…
i suspect it is the stupidity of the paramedic who did not refer her earlier to the hospital… believe me, i have seen many referral letters written by paramedic to the hospital with stupid diagnosis… just because he didn’t know what’s happening…he might have simply labeled her as having constipation. rather than seeing the non bowel opening as a warning sign to something sinister… he made the wrong diagnosis of keeping her in the camp further and worse still, gave her a pill which could make her worse!! If he is not qualified to make a decision like a doctor, at least he should refer!!!!
My heart really goes out in tears to those who have trusted their children into the hands of these people…only to bring back dead bodies
So, please YB, please speak up on our behalf..numerous letters had been written in Malaysiakini, even in other papers like the STAR, etc.. I for once, wouldn’t want to send my children, when the reach that age…to the hands of potential murderers.
#1 by DoingTheRightThing on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:37 pm
Scrap the NS programme now!
It has became as death knell instead for youngster. Youngster died when they should be alive if not took part in this “death knell” so-called National Service.
Instead of provide Notional Service, it has become National Funeral!
Save them and stop this quick buck of making money at the expenses of youngsters’ live!
Raise this issue in this current sitting and mobilise all the 82 MP to debate it.
#2 by rookie on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:37 pm
There is only one way out for all of us……..Change of government!
#3 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:45 pm
Its due to a typical Malaysian mentality. Everything is sooooooo tidak apa, easy going, no urgency about things, leceh-la. And when things happen, its “nasib-la”.
We need to change our way of thinking, our mind set, our psyche, our way of live.
To lose a life at a “holiday camp” (as labelled by some) is extremely unfortunate and regretful. Where is the remorse by the powers-there-be? Heads should roll if they don’t resign.
And the head of the National Service happens to head the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). What an irony!!!
#4 by bra888 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:52 pm
Hey…This is old news right? Like 2 or 3 days ago I believe.
Anyway, I have an Iranian as my house mate here and he shared some of his experience during his national service in his country. He told me that he almost died if he didn’t managed to dodge a bullet. And there are cases whereby trainees were accidentally killed BY BULLETS.
Compared to Malaysia, trainees die without handling real guns and without medical treatment. It can be said that our country’s case is far more serious as deaths like Too Hui Min are PREVENTABLE and AVOIDABLE if she were to be treated BEFORE she died.
Needless to say that no one has learnt anything from other previous cases such as this
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/9/14/nation/18884846&sec=nation
How many more deaths will we accept till we decide to take action? How much suffering must the trainees undergo before being sent for medical treatment?
I’m also curious about the results of the link that I’ve posted, did the government take full responsibility for such negligence cases? Was the parent fully compensated for their lost of their child? Is that amount of money actual enough to compensate the pain and suffering that the trainee had to suffer before death? I believe this case is among the best examples whereby the government had failed to prevent negligence.
#5 by justice_fighter on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:55 pm
NS is nothing more than a scam for Najib to enrich himself and his cronies with lucrative contracts. I would like to call on all parents to stop sending their children to NS. There is nothing Najib can do about it if we unite and boycott NS!!!! Let’s do it to save our children’s lives and tax money!!!
#6 by bra888 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:55 pm
“My heart really goes out in tears to those who have trusted their children into the hands of these people…only to bring back dead bodies”
This is truly a strong point of argument that shouldn’t be ignored.
#7 by bra888 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:55 pm
Government, NS camp chief sued
By CHELSEA L.Y. NG
KUALA LUMPUR: The family of national service trainee Mohd Rafi Ameer is suing the Cheneh Cemerlang camp commandant and the Government for RM10mil, claiming he had died as a result of consuming food tainted with animal faeces.
His elder sister Jubaidah, 25, said in the suit that the Kemaman Hospital informed her on Aug 31, just hours before Mohd Rafi died, that he had “most probably eaten contaminated food”.
Jubaidah: Contacted a camp officer to find out the situation but was reprimanded
Jubaidah is suing camp commandant Lt Kdr Mohd Najib Lotpy Mat Nor and the Government for negligence following the death of Mohd Rafi, 18, who is the fourth of six siblings.
The statement of claim filed at the High Court registry here yesterday, stated that Mohd Rafi had reported to the Cheneh Cemerlang camp in Kemaman on June 17 but had called home on Aug 24 complaining of fever and not being sent to any medical centre for treatment.
“After a week (Aug 31), he called home again. By then, the deceased had complained of fever and swelling in the legs due to a fall during training. He said he had not been sent for treatment and was only given pain killers by the staff in the camp,” Jubaidah said in the suit.
She added that she then contacted an officer in the camp to find out the exact situation but was reprimanded.
The officer, she said, told her that her brother was well and the camp management would do the necessary if the situation demanded it.
“After that, the deceased again called home stating that his condition had worsened. His vision had become blurred by then and everything he saw seemed yellowish.
Jubaidah said she called up the camp officer again and queried why her brother had been denied medical attention.
She said that the officer still maintained that the boy was well and forbade her from taking him for treatment.
“My brother called me again after that saying he was vomiting and in great pain.
“He pleaded for me to go to him as soon as possible. It was only at 10pm that night (Aug 31) that he was sent to the Kemaman Hospital,” she said.
Jubaidah said her brother managed to contact her at the hospital stating that he was already vomiting blood and had breathing difficulties.
The hospital then informed the family that Mohd Rafi’s condition was critical and his condition was most probably caused by consumption of animal faeces.
The hospital decided to transfer Mohd Rafi to the Tengku Ampuan Afzan Hospital in Kuantan at 9pm on Sept 1, but he died on the way.
#8 by taxpayer on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:57 pm
16 deaths and not a single word from the Prime Minister. WHY? By keeping silence does he think that it will resolve him from the responsibility that his government is the cause of 16 unnecessary deaths. Mr. PM stop this cursed programme immediately. It is heartless for the deputy PM to say that too many people are involved in the programme and therefore it cannot be scraped. Money is more important than lives?
#9 by raven77 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 10:58 pm
Hey hang on…..isn’t employing a paramedic and seeing patients against the Private Healthcare Facilities Act…….it got a registered doctor called Basmullah Yusom jailed…..but here a paramedic…according to this emergency physician.. has resulted in the culpable homicide of a young Malaysian…….
Where is the Health Minister and those lunatics at the “Medical Practices Division” ….and of course the champion of his Act….Ismail Merican and Khairy Yaakub……….who cooked up this Act…
I agree with Emergency Physician…….the Opposition must get serious and this must come out hard in parliment……more then 20 deaths could have had health officials in China shot…..the BN is not going to lift a finger until Najib and Rosmah are gone………
The only hope parents have now is the opposition MPs……so please Mr. LKS……get this program scrapped or suspended instead of using the lives of innocent children as part and parcel of a learning curve in camp managemnt
#10 by lopez on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:03 pm
Those murderers think they are hero like Bush, give big talk and set paranoidal notions into minds of wanabe nationalist feelings….but there are better ways….much better ways definitely not at the expense of our youngster’s life.
NO EXPERIENCE and DARE NOT SAY SO, but pretend to be SPECIALISTS…dreaming
USED our own youngsters as guinea pigs , experimenting from day one,
incidentally the surname Lee has earned himself a very bad name, a very very bad name.
Call the whole damn thing off immediately for our nation sake before our young distrust their nkp elders….may be even sue those involved for negligence and duty of care.
#11 by justice_fighter on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:09 pm
It’s time to scrap the National Service.
I’m not the only parent who will not entrust my children to this worthless cause. It has proven to be unsafe since it was initiated. How many have died in the camps already? How many more have fallen ill?
Why must we sacrifice our children … for what? It was a hare-brained idea to begin with. And yet despite the public resistance, the Government has insisted on carrying on with it.
Some who have gone through NS may have got something out of it, but many more detest it. But the upshot of it all is this — if there are going to be cases of people dying while serving NS, it simply does not justify having it. If the Government cannot guarantee the safety of each and everyone of those serving NS, it should feel shame and stop this unsafe scheme.
I call on our elected representatives to speak up and earnestly press for the abolition of National Service.
I urge all parents to resist — by refusing to send their children when they are called up for the next round of NS. Let this be a form of conscientious objection.
We must be together in this — so that if the Government wants to persecute us for it, they will find it harder to persecute a mass of people than if it were only a handful.
I call on civil society groups to pledge protection for parents who resist should they be hauled up for persecution. Such protection could be in the form of free legal representation.
Let us show solidarity in standing up against what we don’t have faith and trust in.
Sincerely,
Kee Thuan Chye
#12 by Allan818 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:11 pm
Taken from Malaysiakini website
Mukhriz Mahathir (BN-Jerlun) said there was no attempt to hide the facts behind the May 13 incident. He said the tragedy should be seen as a “blessing”.
He was referring to New Economic Policy, an affirmative action policy which favoured the bumiputera, that was introduced as a result of the May 13 incident.
“So the good that came out from such tragedy has been something that we have enjoyed even until now,” argued Mukhriz.
A “BLESSING?????” Go to hell you Mukhriz
#13 by justice_fighter on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:14 pm
Does anyone have statistics of BN leaders children attending NS.
I would like to know and I am sure there are lots of parents wanting to know as well. Will they be penalised if they didn’t send their children to NS?! I really doubt about it!!
#14 by bra888 on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:28 pm
I like the way justice_fighter thinks. I believe that if anyone is to die of negligence first in NS, it should be the children of the those who started the NS programme.
After all, the people are not the government’s guinea pigs.
How can it be fair that the children of those who started the NS programme are not in the programme in the first place?
I would ‘LOVE’ to see their children die in their own ineffective programme and see their expression in their faces when they learn that their children are dead, for reasons that they weren’t sent for medical treatment. Wouldn’t it be dramatic to say that if that happens, it would be like parent killing their children.
As insensitive as my comments are, my point is, the peoples’ children are not the government’s experimental ‘apparatus’. If the people have to send their children to NS to satisfy their experimental needs, they MUST send their children as well as it is their ‘experiment’ in the first place.
#15 by Captain on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:30 pm
The National Service is a very good program for youngters to instill in them positive and proactive attitudes that will help them tremendously in their endeavours.
The problem is the implementation. Useless heads are appointed to head and manage the programs. What has Lee Lam Thye ever do good for the country? Just because he could not agree DAP leadrship,he chose to jump ship makig him one of the first immoral and unethical politician to jump party inorder to gain positions and economic benefits. Since then onwards, when a commission is formed or National committe created, the Government search for so called suitable candidates always ended with Lee lam Thye.
The National Service is put under Najib. So you can guess the rest. Thats why it has been reduced to money making machine for some who are closest to Najib. As usual, only 30% goes to the actual project and the remaining into several levels of pocket.
When the last fella far down the line get to carry on with the projects or what ever supply of material or services, he will want to make money too. So the real consequence will definitely be what people are complaining today. Inferior facilities, poor arrangements, poor medical attention etc.
These UMNO leaders whats to control everything so that they can keep milking the cow. So if we want to see the real National Service happening, UMNO first must be sent to the opposition benches and people like Najib should be retired to gether with his brother, the first destroyer of UMNO.
The grandfather founded UMNO and his grandson obliterates it. It will written in history as a tale of three generation. Whatever remaining ‘nyawa ikan’ left in UMNO, Khairy is doing a tremendous job in Parliment with his name calling. What a beginning of end. What a tragedy.
Poor UMNO, it has 6 weeks left before it is finally burried 10 feet underground. The active flurry one sees these days in the last flicker before a light, UMNO distinguishes.
#16 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:34 pm
According to the law you cannot dodge NS as one poor guy was convicted as he had to work on his parent’s farm – but the outpouring of sympathy for him was great and I think he benefitted in the end after his case was uncovered.
Yes it would be a good thing to audit the NS department to see how the names are selected – as with any computer program, it is quite easy to omit specific names and perhaps the PR future government should do that to ensure that everyone has an equal chance of being selected.
After so many deaths and the apologetic letter from Lee Lam Thye it is time to reexamine the cost/benefits ratio of this scheme.
http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/05/we-need-time-out-for-national-service.html
#17 by lopez on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:45 pm
Somethings you can used all those statistical methods to give opinion but when human lives are at stake you must be out of your mind ,
to even think of weighing against any benefit, a life is a life, you live it love it and die it the way your inner self dread or yearns.
If you are lucky you die of cancer, luckier die laughing, but not so lucky if you die being killed by another or caused to die as result of others.
The pain in the arxx is worst when it is your offspring being killed or die as a result of some ego mad militant bastards always looking for a fight but could not find a equal enemy.
#18 by pwcheng on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:48 pm
Can anybody please check who is the contractor for supplying the food and uniform to the NS trainee? You will be surprised or rather will not be surprised. That is why comes rain or shine the show must go on.
#19 by caishen on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:53 pm
Saudara LKS,
Please talk to your former buddy. Lee Lam Thye what is actually happening in NS.Afterall he is the man in charge.
Is he getting more and more comfortable under BN payroll?
#20 by drngsc on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:55 pm
Kit,
I am very concerned about these unneccesary deaths. Ms Too is just the latest example. If we do not do something about it, there will be more Ms Toos. 21 young Malaysians with promising future have died. It is 21 too many.There are a whole host of possibilities. All stemming from the fact that there is inadequate supervision and contractors cutting corners, maybe for greater profit. Do not forget that there are many secondary contractors involved when the main contractor has skimmed off all the profits for their contract. In my opinion ( I am a practicing doctor ) 1. There must be something wrong with the camps, location, hygiene and sanitation, 2. Food supply, poor quality, unclean, contaminated, 3. Poor pre-NS evaluation. It is possible that some of the trainees taken in may have some pre-morbid condition undetected. 4. The training routine, is it too much for the trainees. 5. Poor medical examiners when NS trainees have complaints. Maybe referring too often cost the contractor and so reduces profit margin. The tendency then is not to refer until the patient is moribund.
They must take a very close look ( hopefully by independent inspectors ) to go through the whole training camp process. Include some independent senior doctors. This is a serious issue. Too many have died. In the meantime, suspend the programme.
Contracting out the pre-NS medical examinations is just to feed another crony who will in due time take profit above responsibility.
All NS deaths must have a post-mortem to establish an exact cause of death.
If the powers that be refuse all of the above, to advise parents not to allow the children to answer the NS call-up. Better to face prosecution than to organise a funeral. I am sure that if the majority of parents refuse, they will have to look into the matter seriously. They cannot lockup everybody? 21 deaths in 4-5 years at this age group is not acceptable.
#21 by kkchong on Tuesday, 13 May 2008 - 11:57 pm
This stupid NS is wasting people money, one pad of maggie mee is charge Rm 2, How much we have to pay one trainer uniform, How much can trainer learn within 3 months, for what purpose having the shooting, Scrap it now, for sure i won’t send my daugther for this type of stupid training, I think money spend on the NS goes to somebody high ranking pocket. PR please do , When and Who will be the next trainer is going to die ?
#22 by sheriff singh on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:04 am
As far as I know, Outward Bound School (OBS) is much tougher, challenging and dangerous than our “National Service” holiday camp.
How many young people died, fell seriously ill or were badly injured in OBS all these years since 1950s?
See the difference?
#23 by jinboy on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:15 am
Scrap the NS programme now! and exclude for female trainees
#24 by bra888 on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:16 am
Tuesday May 13, 2008 MYT 4:40:26 PM
PSD rejects 10 A1 student for scholarship
By SYLVIA LOOI
IPOH: An aspiring doctor had her dreams dashed when the Public Services Department (PSD) rejected her application to study medicine overseas.
K. Kamine Devi, who scored 10 A1s in last year’s SPM, said she had her heart set on becoming a doctor that she even participated in an attachment programme which exposed her to a doctor’s job in April.
“I refused to believe my eyes when I found out on Sunday through the PSD website that my application was unsuccessful,” she said on Tuesday, adding that she checked the result of her application several times to confirm.
“I felt that my world collapsed that day,” said the 17-year-old former science stream student of SMK Ahmad Boestamam in Sitiawan, about 90km from here.
Speaking at a press conference called by State Health, Environment and Human Resources Committee chairman A. Sivanesan, Kamine Devi said her confidence was boosted when the PSD issued a statement recently guaranteeing scholarships for students who scored 9As in their SPM.
“I just want to become a doctor so I can serve the country,” said the daughter of a quality controller father and a housewife mother.
“With my father’s monthly salary of RM3,600, he will not be able to send me overseas to study medicine,” she said, adding that she was active in her school’s co-curriculum activities.
To make matters worse, Kamine Devi’s application to matriculation programmes was also rejected.
Sivanesan said Kamine Devi’s rejection made a mockery of PSD’s earlier statement.
“The PSD should have taken the top scorers result from the Malaysian Examination Syndicate and offer scholarships to the students.
“The onus is on the students whether they want to accept or reject the scholarships,” he said.
He also invited parents of children who face the same predicament as Kamine Devi to come forward and see him.
“I will assist them in writing to the PSD,” he said.
From her name, is it because she’s an Indian?
#25 by bra888 on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:17 am
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/13/nation/20080513163948&sec=nation
#26 by hko on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:27 am
ya, saya bersetuju yg ns program itu harus dilupuskan. kerana ia tidak banyak memberi manfaat kepada pelatih2 muda terutamanya pelatih wanita dan juga mereka yg mempunyai masalah kesihatan dalaman yg tidak diketahui. Oleh itu kita nampak hari ini banyak kes kematian yg berlaku dan ada juga yang cedera sama ada patah kaki atau patah tangan semasa latihan yg tidak dilaporkan dan juga penyakit2 misteri yg tak dapat dipastikan( saya hanya berpendapat jika ia benar)
Jikalau NS program 3 bulan yg dirancangkan oleh kerajaan itu semata-mata utk memerikan kesihatan mental,fizikal ataupun untuk memupuk pergaulan diantara pelatih2 itu, Saya mencadangkan agar mereka dilatih di sekolah dimana mereka masuk ke tingkatan 1,2,3,4 dan 5. Justeru sekolah haruslah menyediakan peralatan seperti jym yg sempurna kepada mereka.
Ini adalah lebih selamat dan dapat menjamin keselamatan mereka di sekolah daripada mereka berlatih di kem latihan ataupun di hutan.
Lagipun kerajaan dapat menjimatkan wang bermilion ringgit utk program yg tidak bermanfaat itu dan edarkan wang itu utk membeli peralatn jym di semua sekolah. Selain itu ia juga dapat mententeramkan rasa takut dan gelisah di kalangan ibubapa (keluarga) mengenai anak2 mereka selama ini.
Setahu saya mereka juga dilatih menembak menggunan peluru hidup ini juga amat membahayakan.tidak masuk akal . Adakah dgn latihan 3 bulan itu mereka akan menjadi penembak yg baik? Mereka bukannya tentera atau pun polis untuk dikerah ke medan perang jika ada apa2 conflik belaku. Mereka adalah anak2 murid yg akan melanjutkan pelajaran mereka utk masa depan mereka.
Harap kerajaan melupuskan program akan dapat menjadi kenyataan.
#27 by cmbss on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:29 am
Almost 20 people died, it is time DAP now (a after the 8 March Tsunami, with such a strong support given by the Rakyat) put a strong protest and call for the IMMEDIATE suspension of this NS scheme.
Suspend NOW and install all the necessary measures before it revived.
#28 by peace on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:38 am
Malaysians definitely do not deserve this.
I sincerely beg the Cabinet to put the entire programme on hold and start looking into the National DIS-Service Programme until there is an explanation on what is really going on.
21 deaths is just too much in such a short span of time. The Rakyat simply does not know what’s going on inside these camps and who is accountable for the safety and well-being of these kids.
But there’s a few things we do know: the profiteering of the NS programme is on-going, even as the death tolls continues and that the programme as a whole has failed miserably in their claim to create a more united nation.
The Rakyat deserves the truth!
#29 by ban ban on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:43 am
It’s even more disheartened that the emergency motion is rejected.
For what i know, in countries like Taiwan and Singapore, all the boys (because girls are excluded) MUST undergo medical checking before they enter the camp…
Just wondering why statement like “The government is considering compelling all National Service (NS) trainees to undergo a medical test before joining the programme to avoid health-related problems at the camps.” appeared. (quoted from NST Online)
How many years has the NS being carried out?
“Sex education and the danger of HIV and Aids will be among several new courses to be introduced under the National Service (NS) training programme starting October.” This is what i get from NST Online too.
#30 by ban ban on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:52 am
Just to add another comment.
Time now is 12.50am, 14th May 2008, and the last updated time of Jabatan Latihan Khidmat Negara is “6 Mei 2008″. I didn’t even find any condolence in the website.
http://www.khidmatnegara.gov.my/utamapilih.htm
#31 by 7even Sins on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 12:56 am
The gomen does not really care about those NS youngsters as cases of death has yet to hit their families. Do it just for the sake of having it. I doubt there is a follow through of those kids’ welfare. The gomen’s officials is only concerned on how much they gonna cash in. If not, there won’t be so many NS death cases. To the lame gomen, 1 or 2 death are simply a small % compare to the number of recruit but to the victim’s family, it is everything. This should be happening to those gomen’s official who made the decision so that they could understand the misery and lost of the victims’ families.
#32 by 7even Sins on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 1:34 am
Again and again Malaysia deserves its year in – year out, brain-drain routine. The 10A’s top scorer has been rejected for her excellent result. Should look elsewhere and apply Uni or Poly in Singapore. Singapore value talents and merits instead of abang-adik mediocres. That’s is the reason why Singapore is so advance and developed. They could give full scholarship too. The PSD is full of assholes and only chooses their race and always “boleh-tahan or lower” grade students get the best courses. Nothing has been change in Malaysia screwed up education system since 18 years ago cause I was rejected my academic years too. That’s why we could see most of the half-baked doctors due to half-baked academic results.
Take a look of the link, a doctor & gomen get sued for gross negligence. It is either new born baby end up dead, fractured arm or having the whole arm infected and end up no wrist. Wearing the doctors’ uniform may make these people look great but in actual fact they are the pethatic empty walking milo tins due to lack of knowledge.
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=22310
#33 by ReformMalaysia on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 1:35 am
It is time to scrap the ‘National Service’ program – it is a waste of time and resources -better use the money to control the inflation or development…
What has National Service program achieved after introduced many years ago? Unity? No! Don’t talk about unity when the citizens from different ethnic groups are not treated equally in this country!
#34 by lovemalaysiaforever on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 1:58 am
National service is another example of failure of the goverment!
P.M. & D.P.M. are not even looking into this death matters to serve for the country. Adakah ini contoh budibahasa kita??? Tidak peduli langsung? atau tidak ada mata untuk melihat langsung???
Then why do rakyat care about the NS? Sending our children to the graves??? The goverment should compansate to the innocent parents and parents should sue against NS.
NS program is actually good for the country but Malaysia is not up to the standard yet because of the poor facilities they give.
How much more excuses do you want us to tolerate??? It is crazy & totally unacceptable!
Face it to the national court! Bring these cases to national court! Dare to face your mistakes, you bunch of Jokers goverment.
#35 by AhPek on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 2:37 am
I do not know why the government wants to start National Service and this National Service thing they dish out is no national service if by national service one would take it to mean that young men usually between the age of 18 and 20 are conscripted to train in the army for one year or more so that they can be made use of to form a reserve unit.
Nor is the purpose, the government says it has, of the so called National Service thing as an instrument to create and foster unity working.How could it be when the government couldn’t do it for the past 11 years of their school life? In fact the government is the biggest culprit in segregating the races by their policies.
So the easiest thing (so they think) to do is to model National Service after Outward Bound School.But they have forgotten that instructors at Outward Bound are well trained and most of all the ratio of participants to instructor is kept low so that every participant can be monitored closely by instructors.In the case of National Service I am pretty sure these things like well qualified instructors and participant to instructure are not given enough emphasis resulting in such a mess.In fact Sheriff Singh has hit the nail on the head when he asks “How many young people died, fell seriously ill or ever badly injured in OBS all these years since 1950s?”. As far as I can recall, none. And how many died in such a short history of National Service??? Shocking if you ask me.Can this situation be reversed? Honestly I don’t see how it could coming from these HP6 government!!
#36 by AhPek on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 2:43 am
Correction.” In the case of National Service…………………..
and participant to instructor ratio………………………………”.
#37 by UzMiNoOnist on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 2:43 am
When the time come I will not send my children to NS. But can anyone here enlighten me what will be mine or my child’s consequence of not taking part in it. I think even if I am dragged to the court, can I argue that because of all the many published death in NS camp, I choose self preservation of defending my child’s life.
#38 by menarambo on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 4:54 am
Everybody knows the NS is not going to be canceled regardless. That’s one of the way to benefit those corrupted UMNO cronies with all the different contracts.
#39 by TruthEnquirer on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 5:58 am
You only have to ask and trace who ultimately reaps business and financial benefits year in and year out from tailoring/supply of NS uniforms, food to the camps, recruitment of trainers to understand why the National Service Program is one of the biggest National Hypocrisy Program consistently defended by certain people no matter that death toll of young Malaysians has increased to the 16th. The family of latest victim, Too Hui Min, 18, want to sue the government. They said they were seeking legal redress because they did not believe she died of a colon infection. Hui Min did not have any health problems. Malaysians should support the family’s quest for full acountability. In the same manner we Malaysians could support a foreigner Dr Shaariibuu Setev to seek acountability and justice for questionable death of his daughter Altantuya Shariibuu, so we should support Hui Min’s father Too Jong Sing to seek justice for his daughter’s death. Something is very rotten in the state of Malaysia Shakespeare would have written had he used Malaysia and not Denmark as focal point of his drama play “Hamlet”. Ya, “everybody knows the NS is not going to be canceled regardless” as what menarambo said as much as everybody know where is the ultimately the problem but fear of saying it in case – invocation of the SEDITION ACT!!!!!!!!! Kit please fight for our children, fight against this hypocrisy, call for royal commission to fight against this scam of somebody somewhere making money at expense of 16 young malaysian lives being put on the line. If no royal commission I think we should contribute RM1-00 for setting up a fund to hire and pay a team of intrepid private investigators to investigate and give a report which you should make known the answers toi all these questions of who benefit in our Parliament.
#40 by 318 on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 6:36 am
srap the NS NS stand for Nanti Sakit. NS is to foster unity among races. For more than of 50 years in’pence the BN policies create this problem, just for 3 month want to foster unity among races .To the BN Don’t talk cock. To LLT Go n fly kite
#41 by lupus on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 6:51 am
National Service = National Death Camp
Is NS meeting it objective ? What is the aim of having paramilitary training for young Malaysian ? It is by law, young Malaysians are selected and dumped into an environment that under the control of Ministry of Defence but we are told it only 3 months and it is not to make soldiers out of them. Malaysia is NOT AT WAR with anyone, but yet, people are dying in this camp. Since it started IN 2003, how many have lost their lives? Is it not strange that we have people dying in training camps instead of battle-fields ? Why is it that we have a much higher death rate when we compared to Malaysians serving in the military ?
How many of us reading here have asked
1) Why none of the UNMO/BN polly kids/grandkids in NS ? Are they too fat, too unfit, just too stupid or do they know how dangerous it is to enter the Malaysian Death Camp ? Since it started, how many ministers’ grandchildren or child been to NS ? Can we have those stats or is that information OSA ?
2) Why isn’t the camp commander or people in the chain of command charged? I thought it was under the control of the military. I would like to see an investigation for every NS death and camp commanders charged under the criminal code.
Since it started in 2003 – 5 years, there have been too many death. In any other organization – Outbound or otherwise, these many death would have triggered an investigation long ago. Looking at other overseas cases, criminal charges resulted. I am sure a lot of Malaysian parents would agreed with me – no child life is worth a slap on the wrist (on the camp commanders). Today, make every camp commander criminally liable for every death, with the max penalty be a death sentence. Make it equal to murder, drug and firearm crimes. Better still, get rid of this stupid idea of NS. Until then, all my children will NEVER NEVER go to NS “death camp” and I will fight the system that will kill them to the extend of going to jail. Otherwise, I will fail as a parent.
#42 by CheeseBall on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 7:20 am
Totally agree with Lupus. My kids WILL NOT go to the BN death camps! Want to drag me through the system, fine.
But remember, a sword cuts both ways and the responsible parties, beware. You kill my kids, you know what’ll happen…
#43 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 8:18 am
The NS plank can be one powerful platform for PR to use in the next GE if they have have not aready formed the govt by then.
There should also be an independent audit on those camps where trainees died or came down with food poisoning, quarantine.
#44 by taiking on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 8:43 am
National Service?
Wot National Service?
Its stupid and it is senseless.
It is just a 3months camp.
And death during such camps?
Without any live rounds fired?
Without any leaping off helicopters?
Without throwing hand grenades?
and yet we have deaths and deaths and more deaths?
Incompetence and negligence must be the reason.
Res ipsa loquitor, I would add.
I will proudly let my children miss NS.
I have no faith in the running of the whole thing.
Yes – No confidence.
Fold it man.
Just fold it up.
#45 by ALLAN THAM on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 8:56 am
Those people so call paramedic are no paramedic they are just a bunch of idiots making gaji buta.
So what you are specialist or what ever you want to call it, if one does possess the common sense and the urgency to treat ant compliant how small and how stupid may the compliant look like.
If all compliant was treated like a minister or vvip’s compliant the scenario may be very very much different.
Just like how the police will act on say a minister home was be burgled?
#46 by drngsc on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 9:11 am
Does anyone know if any of the minister’s kids are called up for the NS training? Can they feel the pain of the NS death-camps? We need a lawyer to advise us if anyone can refuse NS, as a conscientious objector, and claim fear of death as a reason? We may die for the country at war, but surely not die for NS?
#47 by Swordsman on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 9:26 am
The NS is nothing more than another “ingenious” scheme cooked up along the lines of privatised projects to benefit a select group of cronies, except that there is minimum investment required (no need for bank loans), with no risk. No need to worry about budgetting, cashflow or cost over-runs in overheads.
Once you have the services contract in hand, you stand to reap extraordinary profits and your only concern is how fast your bank account grows and not the welfare of the NS trainees.
This morning I read that they are contemplating “sex education” as part of the NS curriculum. What NONSENSE in this?
The NS had been running for a few years, can that DAP turncoat Lee Lam Thye, as Chairman of NS enlighten us on the results and achievements of the NS:
1. How do you measure “patriotism”? What was the measured index of “patriotism” of youths before and after their NS camp?
2.Has unity among the multi-racial youths enhanced after the NS?
If ever there is any improvement in creating “unity” through the NS, can this “unity” be sustainable into the future as these youths mature?
3. Character building and moral education, is the NS more effective than the traditional family education by parents on such traditional subjects?
4. Can you disclose to the public the breakdown of the total NS expenditure/expenses item by item?
5. What are the benefits, quantitative as well as qualitative, of the NS achieved so far?
6. What compensation has the NS or the Govt made to the families who are unfortunate to have lost their loved ones in the NS?
We must demand answers from Lee Lam Thye and hold him responsible for the lost lives and the sinister agenda behind this whole NS scam.
#48 by Cinapek on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 9:37 am
Firstly my deepest condolences to the family of the late Ms Too. As a parent of a 18 year old girl myself, I can understand their feelings and grief at this senseless loss of a child just about to embark on the most exciting phase of her life.
I read Tan Sri Lee Lam Thye’s letter to the STAR yesterday on this latest NS death. It appears to me that Tan Sri was trying to defend himself and the Council again in the first part of his letter. He lamented again that there is nothing he can do since he does not have executive powers, which lies squarely with the DG of the NS Training Programme. His letter went on to suggest that the lack of proper implementation of the rules and regulations (some of which have been suggested by the Council) by the camp commandants and staff was the cause of these deaths.
This makes me wonder. If these commandants would even ignore the Chairman and the Council’s advice, what chance do parents have to make their views known and accepted by these camp commandants? What is the use of parents bringing up such concerns to the Chairman or the Council? Tan Sri LLT had also said that these camp commandants only take their orders from the DG. But if you have a DG who had the gall to say publicly “…one of two deaths will not stop the NS programme..” or something to that effect, would you have confidence in the whole set up? If the top man has such a callous, apathetic and insensitive mindset for young human lives, it stands to reason that his lower levels staff are just as bad, if not worse. Do these people not have children themselves? Do their concience trouble them when a child placed under their care dies because of their neglect? Do they have human feelings at all?
But the statement that is the icing on the cake is the DPM’s comment that the NS programme cannot be stopped because “..there are too many parties involved…” Who are these parties involved and why are their interests so important that it takes priority over the lives of young people? Coming from the man where all the buck should stop, this is indeed very troubling.
The Chairman and the Council for the National Service Training Programme have failed miserably and should do the honourable thing and resign en bloc. We do not expect the main culprits to resign voluntarily. We also do not expect the DPM to announce that the programme will be stopped since he has stated publicly he is concerned about the ” parties involved”. The only option left is for the Opposition MPs to take up this issue in Parliament. We, the rakyat will know what to do with those MPs who will vote to support this programme.
#49 by cheng on soo on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 9:39 am
This must be one of the worst organized NS (if not the worst) in the world for countries not at war!
Just main main for 3 mths also can cause so many death, No Med check up, to start with?
Instructors / trainers are all HP6 one?
Scrap, this NS at ONCE, if those suckers wan 2 make money, there are other way lah!
#50 by cheng on soo on Wednesday, 14 May 2008 - 9:44 am
All those officers / trainers / instructors that are found guilty of negligence which cause death should get a mandatory 5 strokes of the rotan, and min. 2 years jail ! Only then will these nuts be serious about their works.