Bad start for 12th Parliament
Its a bad start for the 12th Parliament, with Parliament setting the bad example of breaking and bending laws and rules to fit the whims and fancies of the Barisan Nasional government, whether during question time or in the first debate on the Royal Address.
Those who have seen the live telecast may want to give their views for the benefit of MPs.
April 30th, 2008 at 13: 11.12
See the The Star report
“Police tow away Ooi’s car
AN opposition MP had an unpleasant start in Parliament when his car was towed away by the traffic police for parking outside the Parliament house.
Jelutong MP Jeff Ooi, was shocked when he could not find his car after attending the official opening of Dewan Rakyat and Dewan Negara by the King.
In the dark: Ooi explaining that he was issued a VIP parking pass with an ‘E’ on it, but no one knew where Section ‘E’ was located. Ooi said he was upset with the Parliament officials and the police as he was earlier instructed by the police to park outside the premises due to lack of parking space.
He said he was given a VIP parking pass that indicated Section ‘E’ to display on his dashboard but no one knew where section ‘E’ was.
He explained that he did not display his MP crest on the seven-year-old Proton Wira as it was not his official car and he had borrowed the car from his wife.
”However I managed to collect my car later but am not sure if I would have to pay a fine,” Ooi told a press conference at the Parliament lobby.
He added that he would raise the matter in Parliament when debating the Royal Address.
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Say Jeff boy, have you thought of referring this matter to the Chief Parliament Jaga Kereta Boy aka the Minister of Parliament Affairs Nazri Aziz? Maybe he wanted to wash your car.
To raise this matter during the debate on the King’s speech is just not on. Savvy?
April 30th, 2008 at 13: 31.17
Surely it is. Watched the live telecast obver RTM1 and Pandikar Amin was obviously biased when he disallowed “soalan tambahan” but finally gave in after Pak Lah asked to allow 1 or 2 questions.
This again shows how undemocratic Parliament can be. Time to change.
pakatanrakyat-malaysia.blogspot.com
April 30th, 2008 at 13: 33.11
Dear brother KIT Siang,
I definitely do not like the way you express yourself on the issue of removing the UMNO hegemony. We need not be arrogant about our achievement and as citizens we played our part with the hope for better governance and not in anyway to ridicule or to give power to any individual or party.
April 30th, 2008 at 13: 59.37
in respond to pwcheng
“hope for better governance” without fight, will there be better governance if just sit there and hope.
Just ask YB LKS to sit there and eat his roti and kopi, that’s why to all the stupid idiot and the 55 NGOs go eat buns & coffee and do nothing than complaining ur feelings.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 07.28
Yes, most BN fellows have been so arrogant, proud and boastful at all the times and in return, that’s what they get.
So to our pakatan rakyat team, please don’t follow their foot step.
You need to treat us all Malaysian like part of the family’s member,
fair and equal.
Not all BN fellows or even part of Umno, are baddies.
It’s just that they have no right to voice their rights and some are even frustrated too.
They are all human being and have feelings as well.
Unlike their leaders who are heartless and totally numb.
Show us the good personality and discard all the bad ones.
We need unity in all races in order to be truly a Malaysian.
Otherwise, we are just malaysian only by name!
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 11.25
Dear All,
I had the opportunity of watching the live session of the parliament debate this morning and concur with YB Lim on his observation whereby the Speaker appears to be slanting towards the ruling coaliation and refused the opposition to question the Prime Minister on one of the most important issues affecting the rakyat. I truly believe that the rakyat reserve the right to know even more deeper the policies outlined by the government to prepare the country in the face of this trying and very troubling time brought about by the inflationary situation.
The Speaker should have also allowed the opposition to raise a few questions to the prime minister as he is often absent from parliament due to other pressing matters in the administration of the government.
I was also slightly shocked when the Speaker allowed a question from the floor only after the Prime Minister agreed to it. Is this a sign of the Speaker taking order from the ruling government?
The opposition should constantly reming the ruling government of their weaknesses. Of course I understand that it is also not easy for them to take such flaks all the time, but would you rather have praises heaped and sung on you only to wake up one day that you have been fooled by false accolades?
The opposition also should fully take advantage of its stronger position today in the parliament.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 21.15
YB LIM,
again and again, you have play to the tune of admonishing umno. i am equally sure, that you would not like other parties to do that to dap.
in any party , there are good and not so good. i can also state that there are many good umno members that are marginalised and stood up for umno,in good and bad times , and not being rewarded to high post or even monetary gain.
to open parliament, with arrogant comment that ” with the election tsunami,umno is over,” is overboard. you have failed to understand that many malays will fear dap now, and your relationship with pas is not a bed of roses too. being telecast live, i personally find it lack of professionalism to hit at umno , when the whole barisan nasional component parties are responsible for What Malaysia is today.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 26.07
Did you see how the Kinabatangan a**h**e did his bombardment in Parliment today? - Just like a typical a**h**e. Really samseng lah. What an embarassment.
The speaker was MORE than biased. He was totally on the other side! No where near neutral. Remember, he wasn’t elected to the seat. He was picked to be seated there! He’s job is to “officially” crushed any opposition attempt to do any check and balance on the goverment.
Then again, did you see how hopeless he was in trying to get the house to show some respect and to listen to him? Maybe they should have appointed the gula-gula hacks guy to do the job. It makes no difference lah.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 33.50
Truely sad to see that opposition MPs were asked (many many times) to sit down and diam diam!
They spoke for us, rakyat, and not for themselves!
And now this Live broadcast may not be continued
next time, according to one news which I read somewhere.
Truely sick with BN policies!
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 34.32
dear lakikompat.
pwcheng makes sense.
it is through the ballot box, the ketuanan raayat decide who are our leaders. fight in a right way, but not belittling others. otherwise, pakatan raayat is no different from arrogant barisan nasional leaders.
and if dap continues to marginalised the malays, and given that it is live telecast, and the speaker certainly was bias, and the first twenty minutes was on technicalities, than even YB karpal singh should not be in parliament , if he finds the swearing was wrong in law.
this is well CHOREOGRAPH debate in parliament,( live telecast) that abdullah badawi, had also graciously agreed to ANSWERS to questions after objections by timur barat mp. abdullah badawi wins this round of parliament live telecast. SURPRISING THE OPPOSITION LEADER , was not even complaining.!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 36.01
“You need to treat us all Malaysian like part of the family’s member,
fair and equal.”
This is what YB LGE did when he appoint LKC to manage PDC & Penang Invest.
He was bashed by 55 govt. funded NGOs (dogs) - who the hell are they to interfere in govt. affair?
He was forced to leave Gerakan after serving many years, none of the leader stop him and persuade him to stay. This imply if you are still under BN who will appreciate you? more than 10 yrs or just 1 yr there is no difference when you quit. Unlike the ah pek gila Keng Aik who received a big vase as token of appreciation for him.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 42.37
I like Kinabatangan MP (Bocor dude). He’s ensuring people keep supporting Pakatan Rakyat. Keep it up, mate!
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 42.45
Dear Adam,
U r wrong, there is no such thing as clean ballots don’t be ridiculous. U think it is kindergarten? Those who are in the Penang Invest or PDC will offcourse want back the old regime as they have vested interest in the old regime, there’s sure money politic to influence the ballots. Now, YB LGE did a great job there to on one hand they want back the Gerakan ppl. (who is capable and based on merits) 2ndly to show the people that Federal Govt. will never welcome such move.
The powerful will always rule, now PR have to manage this well, that’s a pretty nice move to cripple BN and expose the stupid 55 NGOs dogs.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 47.28
dear laliloo,
absolutely agreed with you that the YB Speaker was appointed by non other than the Prime Minister. but care to answer what happened to the nomination of deputy speaker YB Tan, that one vote was missing from the so called pakatan raayat. ?
it is the case of minding other peoples’ problems, that the in house problems are easily forgotten to attend to. who is the culprit ?
YB LIM.
YB hadi, was blabbering about ngo and professional involvement in the economic crises and telecast over. the point is than, maybe pakatan raayat need a ‘whip ‘ too in parliament.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 48.08
I am sorry; I have to take off my gloves today. Looking at the way the deputy speakers are voted, I just feel that the opposition leaders were not even serious in performing their first act in the new parliament. Secondary, I think at least 17 opposition MPs are “bodoh sombong” – proud but stupid. Imagine if this is a policy matter. Are you saying they will just go along and hope for the best? If you guys continue to behave the way you do, I can assure you in six months, the bulk of your supporters will desert you. I think it is definitely easy for you to criticise the deficiency and shortcoming of BN. But please look at yourself. Real bunkum.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 48.54
The BOCOR old man will create history, in fengshui it is not good if BN boat have BOCOR old man it brings back luck. It will cause the BN ship to sink.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 49.59
CIMB Group CEO Dato Nazir Razak : “My worry is that when the government is trying so hard to help the Bumiputeras, it may hamper and undermine their future and achievements. When you give them contracts and money easily, you are actually undermining the spirit of entrepreneurship.”
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 50.27
Perhaps it could be the quote of the year !
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 56.02
dear lakilompat.
i cannot comment or disagree with you on the penang state adminstration, as i have no information. but my personal opinion is that YAB LIM GUAN ENG IS MAGNANIMOUS , BUT datuk lee should have resigned from gerakan before accepting the post. that will make it better. Than datuk lee will be apolitical when appointed and not after. thanks lakilompat for the brief on the ngos anyway.
hope life have been good to you.
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 57.44
Wow! This is such an intelligent comment. I respect Dato Nazir Razak.
“When you give them contracts and money easily, you are actually undermining the spirit of entrepreneurship.”
That is so so true!
April 30th, 2008 at 14: 58.09
I was totally dissapointed with the way our Dewan Speaker conducting the paliament! obviuosly….is one-sided! How can we let this kind of human being continue to manuplated our system…even Pak lah himself has stood up and demanded additional questions to be allowed…a slap to “dictator speaker”….shameful…Maybe the MP of Sabah haven’t get the lession from the PU12 tsunami…..Dear follow S & S…pls wake up….
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 02.15
wasnt dato nazir razak related to deputy prime minister of malaysia.?
and if yes ? talk about meritocracy- surely if he is not bumiputra, i doubt he will get a banking licence.
remeber umbc , kwong yik bank and many other…
back to agenda. PAKATAN RAAYAT MPS, SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT IT IS TLECAST LIVE, AND THE REASONS WHY.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 03.12
Ya, very easy to say and is in fact nothing new. Mahathir said it all the time when he was in power. Did you see any difference? May be we should ask how does one become CEO?
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 05.13
Who gave them the guts to act like hooligans in the parliament?
When Mahathir was in power, none of his ministers dare to behave like that, be it in the parliament or outside.
Just look at the previous Samy Vellu, for example!
Whenever the opposition question him, he would take as if the whole country belongs to him. Also the Kinabatangan MP as well!
All are not educated and behave like rascal.
What about Nazri and Omar?
All these are the work of the present PM.
As long as he’s still in power, we have to bear on.
Otherwise, we have to wait for their total defeat!
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 12.05
“I was totally dissapointed with the way our Dewan Speaker conducting the paliament! obviuosly….is one-sided!” eddieqh
We know speaker and deputy speakers obviously have important roles to play to ensure fairness in the House. Now, did the PK leaders and MPs do their job properly when electing the deputy speakers? As I said earlier, the leaders are not serious in performing their first act in the new parliament and at least 17 PK MPs are proud idiots. It does not matter PK candidate for the deputy speaker was going to lose in the election process. The message must be right.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 16.52
“Wow! This is such an intelligent comment. I respect Dato Nazir Razak”.
This is what i called getting excited for nothing.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 21.13
Limkamput,
An intelligent comment is still an intelligent. Doesnt matter it comes from who. Maybe it could come from you and I will still respect it. You are so emotional. Cool down. 1st day of Parliament session and you aint giving nobody a chance.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 33.08
Clap, clap, clap to Limkamput who has taken off his lacy gloves.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 33.46
Clearly, the live telecast is just BN’s tool for its propaganda, and it’s clear why they just take it for 30 minutes, in the 1PM news on TV1, they just report about Karpal making the “big foot” statement but didnt do on the part that the Kinabatangan MP’s reply “big monkey”.
All opposition MPs should think a new and better way to deal with this new tactic of BN.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 47.42
Cool down. 1st day of Parliament session and you aint giving nobody a chance.
Please don’t behave like BN, full of excuses - first time lah, inexperience lah, overwhelmed lah. Look, some of the leaders were there for umpteen years lah. The issue really is how serious PK wants to take their job. If they don’t know, they can always ask. I am not even sympathetic of Jeff Ooi’s car being towed away. He deserved it because he should have gone there slightly early and find out where was his designated parking lot.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 50.29
lakilompat, Just be cool. I think you had misunderstood what I am trying to say. I am referring to brother Kit’s way of delivering that “tsunami” message which most of us had known and as responsible citizen we had done our part to try and put it right and we had sent 81 or 82 MPs from the PR to do the job now. There is absolutely no necessity to repeat the “tsunami” again in Parliament, especially in such emotional wordings, gestures and tone.
It certainly not look good for the start, especially for DAP. Why must we follow the BN to be arrogant and abusive when in the first place we know that is wrong. We always have better and more intelligent way to replace them.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 55.27
pwcheng:
I think it is difficult to remain cool in the face of the usual bullying and provocation. Sometimes you feel that you must also shout to have your voice heard. Ask our friend Limkamput - he has been provoked no end until he had to take off his gloves. I do sympathise with him.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 56.04
At least MPs have designated parking lots. Ask the civil servants and mass media people who have to be there on duty.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 58.24
mine is not lacy, but Everlast gloves. One under hook and it is game over for you.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 59.10
Gosh. What’s wrong with this guy Limkamput. Giving constructive comments need not to be so emotional. You’re like saying there’s no tomorrow. Chill.
April 30th, 2008 at 15: 59.39
“I like Kinabatangan MP (Bocor dude). He’s ensuring people keep supporting Pakatan Rakyat. Keep it up, mate!” - ilovedap
Yes, work hard, Kinabatangan, dig the grave for BN.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 02.58
limkamput:
You gotta decide if you want your lacy gloves on or off. At the outset, you said that your gloves are off, now you appear to say that they are on again.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 07.56
…but I do agree with your comment regarding Jeff Ooi. He should have known better, and he should have planned better.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 09.14
So you want gentle comments. I tell you what; honeymoon is going to be over soon for this group of PK MPs. I am pissed. Most of them are new and yet they show such a lackadaisical attitude. There is no oomph in them lah. Wait lah, one year later, I think they will behave exactly like BN MPs. I am doing PK a favour, my friend.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 10.58
no, you misunderstood, i said i have taken off my Everlast gloves, you know the one worn by Mohammad Ali, the Greatest.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 14.57
When dealing with arrogant MPs, you got to be as arrogant, if not more arrogant than them. Then you give them knowledge and tell them the reality to educate them…..with these narrow minded and insecured people, it would take a long time.
This is exactly what Mr. Lim did.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 15.49
Give them a chance Limkamput. You are judging too fast and being too harsh. They are human afterall. Plus not everyone agree with your all your view anyway. You have your points but give them time.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 17.23
In addition, if everyone thinks like you, I think we will be switching government as frequent as we change our underwear.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 19.22
I can’t be totally sure what to say to our PR MPs.
But I strongly feel that those “peanuts” (oath taking tecnicalities, parking space & etc.) should be left out.
Jeff: Although his car might be towed away - it could perhaps be a human mistake, just forgive and forget. Act like a MP, even if there really is agenda against you! Be like Mr. Bruce Lee - to win, you must first learn how to absorb pressure (or take punches)!!!
Karpal: Should channel your energy to something more important! If you are serious about helping the Rakyat, don’t get in the passion or “routine” of your struggle in Parliament!
1-0 down, get your act together!
YB LKS, rally our MPs, lead them, where is the strategy? BN has delivered the sucker punch, even in the midst of their internal problems, they look better as a cohesive unit with strategies to win!
No point pointing out those petty mistakes on live TV?!?! Go for the issues important to the Rakyat:
1. PKFZ
2. Lingam
3. Developments in oppositions state
4. Unity among Malaysians
5. & etc & etc & etc & etc !!
Aiyoh!…we did not elect you guys to see all of you on live TV!
???
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 33.11
Ilovedap,
Please check my records in this blog. I think I am one of the most fervent supporters of DAP and PK. But I am also rational. I am not being harsh for nothing. I have been following and observing. Frankly, when they are new, the enthusiasm should be there. If they can’t resolve simple tasks, how can I expect them to do research, read or participate in debating and formulating national policies. Anyway we shall see. I want them to succeed as much as you.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 38.24
“In addition, if everyone thinks like you, I think we will be switching government as frequent as we change our underwear.” llovedap
Precisely, we are gentle people. We let BN worn that underwear till it rotted. That is today why we have rotten underwear everywhere today.
April 30th, 2008 at 16: 43.05
limkamput,
keep it up with your criticism, only then there will be improvements. We are all trying to give constructive views, this is Parliament, our MPs have to learn fast, that’s where our veteran MPs come into play, to lead the newbies, and form a strong voice in Parliament.
April 30th, 2008 at 17: 31.52
“When you give them contracts and money easily, you are actually undermining the spirit of entrepreneurship.” - Dato Nazir Razak
I wouldn’t disagree but where did the money come from? Is it your money Nazir?
April 30th, 2008 at 17: 49.59
can someone help to upload the session to youtube?
April 30th, 2008 at 17: 54.08
For the first time in 50 years with less than 2/3 majority in the parliament, BN’s MPs need time to face the reality.
April 30th, 2008 at 18: 20.50
The speaker, who is supposed to be firm, but he caved in to AAB. This is a disgrace. Looks like this speaker is worst than a puppet.
April 30th, 2008 at 18: 39.37
Well done! to all PR’s MP, keep it up.
Its still a long way to long before we can have a TRULLY DEMOCRATIC AND FAIR MALAYSIA!
April 30th, 2008 at 18: 42.41
Sdr Lim,
Based on the observations noted, if there was arrogance on either side, then both sides have not learned the lessons of humility, in representing the rakyat.
Parliament is not the place to throw abuse at fellow parliamentarians, all of whom are rightfully elected and thus present.
Focus must be on matters and issues affecting the nation. Politicking must be done before parliament, and outside parliament.
Once elected, parliamentarians should speak on issues, not declaring which party, which leader is greater or the best.
If parliamentarians use their time, to gloat on their success, then they have missed it all.
Okay, for the new comers, it is the first session and all can be forgiven. For the veterans, who have suffered a lot of abuse in the past as opposition members, perhaps you can celebrate by having such a big presence, but do get on with serious work and serious discussion.
Parliament is not the place to shout victory shouts of any party…..be it UMNO, DAP, PAS or PKR……MCA, MIC and Gerakan, of course have been silenced for now.
To do so when on live telecast gives minus points to the one who rises to speak. It is time for serious work, serious matters….and that is where The Agung’s speech was excellent and relevant.
April 30th, 2008 at 18: 54.02
I am very disappointed with Ibrahim Ali(IND-Pasir Mas) who stood under PAS ticket. He was acting like an UMNO MP. Perhaps he should just rejoin UMNO. But UMNO had already closed its door to him before GE 2008 started. So is he now trying to impress UMNO to take him back?
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 09.04
this is sad. chaos in the parliament like a tenth world parliament. i hope that PR will not follow the monkey antiques of BN like the likes of Khairy, Bung Mokhtar etc. these fellas let them rot and decay. no need to add salt to preserved the budaya samseng BN
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 33.51
There should be no name calling. It hurts one’s cause by resorting to name calling.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 39.32
PR : Fail.
BN : Fail.
All act like monkeys. Lets hope is just from too much excitement from the first parliament sitting.
I wish Karpal Singh would please stop wasting his fellow MP’s time! Fellow MP’s here include MP’s from PR.
PR MP’s should have some form of agreement/discussion before parliament on what are the key issues. And during parliament present a focused and united effort in discussing the important issues. Not wasting time sparring words over pointless technicalities.
Stop attacking UMNO. You are in parliament to discuss the future of this country and people. Not to verbally bash certain parties. Please get down to doing your jobs: serving the rakyat, or has DAP MP’s forgotten that?
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 41.53
I wouldn’t disagree but where did the money come from? Is it your money Nazir? - dawsheng
Well, a banker I know told me that come election time his Bank made donations to BN political parties.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 43.57
I HOPE THAT WE HAVE NOT VOTED OUT SOME MONKEYS AND REPLACED THEM WITH DONKEYS IN PARLIAMENT.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 48.19
With an ass at the head there`s little more to be expected.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 50.12
kingkenny Says: ”
No point pointing out those petty mistakes on live TV?!?! Go for the issues important to the Rakyat:
1. PKFZ
2. Lingam
3. Developments in oppositions state
4. Unity among Malaysians
5. & etc & etc & etc & etc !!”
IMO and others’, the most important issue is economy. While DAP is an opposition party at federal level, at state level it is already a governing party. Economy is everything to a governing party. DAP must be seen placing high priority to economy.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 53.03
parliament video clip 30 April 2008
Firstly, judge for yourself how biased this Speaker is. Dont attack Pakatan Rakyat MPs if you havent seen this clip yet!
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 55.59
Definitely the issue of economy is most important for DAP whose support is mainly chinese. But for PR who needs to serve ALL races, there is more than just economy that needs to be considered.
April 30th, 2008 at 19: 57.23
Does Agong wrote those speech?
Why did the PM hand it over for the Agong to read?
I am not very well verse in all those protocol. No offend intended.
Shiok Guy
April 30th, 2008 at 20: 00.10
Yeah,, I am going to watch and draw my own opinion later..
Thank for the youtube link..
April 30th, 2008 at 20: 09.17
Only one comment! BAD LOSERS!
April 30th, 2008 at 20: 53.56
It is clearly that the Pendikar Amin is helping BN, but in the way of playing tai chi.
Lim, please keep it up! I’ve seen that only you’re fighting with the Pendikar Amin when he disallowed for soalan tambah, the other should stand up and support Lim too!
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 04.03
dear devil master.
we have expected the speaker to be biased.
BUT, we never expect that pakatan raayat could not forge a unity in voting for a deputy speaker. is that a fair comment.!!
i am equally sure,that the penang, selangor, perak,kedah and even kelantan will slant over to party first policy. this is politics.
but , UNTIL PAKATAN RAAYAT IS UNITED, its the enemy within that is worrying the voters.
and for YB glugor and puchong having to spend about 20 minutes about swearing under adminstrator, abeit LIVE TELECAST, it looks more like a court drama than a parliament debate.
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 05.41
Thanks for the youtube link, devilmaster. What’s up with the “polis kata jangan” voices in the background? It sounded like a threat or something.
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 18.33
ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH Says:
BUT, we never expect that pakatan raayat could not forge a unity in voting for a deputy speaker. is that a fair comment.!!
I don’t understand this comment at all. There were 81 PR MP’s + 1 independant. 81 MP’s voted for Tan. What is all the talk about no unity?
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 28.53
Can the Opposition MPs display some professionalism and maturity in their roles as an MP in Parliament? What is all this shouting & name calling business when Parliament is in session? Surely all of you do not want to stoop to the level of the BN MPs who, in my mind are brainless nit wits who take every opportunity to create a circus in Parliament without having anything beneficial or worthy to debate.
Please use yr common sense and do not play to the tune of the BN MPs
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 33.54
I beg to differ. The story actually was like this. The Pakatan Rakyat MPs were not aware they only needed to vote for 1 candidate. Some of them were confused as were to vote for 1 or 2 candidates. Hence, 17 of the Pakatan Rakyat MPs voted for Wan Junaidi. They thought it was compulsory to vote for 2 candidates.
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 47.12
Out of 69 postings on this thread (and counting), 10 postings (and counting) expressed disappointment with the behaviour of PR MPs on their first day - a small group led none other than by the representative from Kg. Attap who insists he is extremely loyal and supportive of the DAP!
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 48.00
So you think these 17 fellows deserve to be there representing us? If they are not sure, ask, find out, whatever. I think they take their responsibility very lightly. Honestly if they can’t do a simple task like this, what greater task can we expect from them? First, some MPs from DAP and PK did not submit questions for oral answer. Now, they don’t know who and how to vote. What would be the next fiasco?
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 50.57
It is said’ It takes two hands to clap’. MPs from both sides of the aisle are equally guilty. If the BN MPs acted rowdy, why did the PR MPs had to react in the like manner. Surprise them, act dignified, they will be stunned!
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 52.32
They did asked the speaker. But there was no replied.
April 30th, 2008 at 21: 54.07
Hello, where are you from, upstate NY? I have not even expressed my disappointment yet on today proceeding. I was only comment on the election of deputy speakers.
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 03.46
They did asked the speaker. But there was no replied. devilmaster
NO, according to the report, one of the MP asked and the speaker answered. Now, some MPs may be didn’t hear. That is beside the point. It is a serious matter when MPs exercise their votes. So, if there is no reply, or if they did not hear, can the MPs simply vote? Please, I am talking about how the MPs must be serious with their work. I know DAP candidate (Dr.Tan) would not win, but the message must be clear. We laughed at BN MPs for being stupid; just look at their votes, solid, 140, not one more, not one less.
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 08.38
“Does Agong wrote those speech? Why did the PM hand it over for the Agong to read?.” Shiok Guy
Multiple test question (for Shiok Guy)
1. The Agong forgot to bring the speech he himself wrote with him to Parliament because he was told it was going to be a tea party.
2. The PM is preparing to take over the Agong’s job when PR takes over the government in September and passed the speech he wrote for the Agong to read.
3. The PM handed over the speech for the Agong to read because he was too sleepy to read.
4. All of the above.
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 14.07
Thought this new speaker would make a difference - apparently another letdown. A laughing stock for the Region. Taiwan is agressive, Singapore is ordered, Malaysia is a circus
Malaysia needs intelligent people at the helm - anybody knows if this new speaker is qualified educationally ?
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 24.39
my 2cents
Having watch the live telecast on rtm, its obvious that the whole parliment system is biased base on the number of questions being permitted to the oppostion and also how the parliment speaker run the show.
“hidup” YB Lim KS “mansui”
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 27.48
undergrad2
seriously lah!
I don’t know the protocol. I am merely asking so I can learn more!
I know a lot of VIP attending function, we have to prepare their speech.
Shiok Guy
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 30.01
Let do some math.
Total MP = 222
BN = 140
PR = 81
IND = 1 (The one joker who criticize KS? The one on PAS ticket but act like UMNO joker)
Voting time = PR got full support of 81 while the ungrateful joker vote against PR.
Settled? case closed?
April 30th, 2008 at 22: 55.54
With the opening of the 12th Parliament, I hope members of PR can work together to create an effective shadow cabinet, which would be a check and balance against the government.
April 30th, 2008 at 23: 14.56
In reply to Ron260461’s:
“Can the Opposition MPs display some professionalism and maturity in their roles as an MP in Parliament? What is all this shouting & name calling business when Parliament is in session?”
No big deal with all the shouting and name calling so long as it is NOT “Taiwan style” (i.e. MPs jump on the table and throw shoes at their opponent).
April 30th, 2008 at 23: 21.10
The PR MPs shouldn’t had reacted in the like manner when the BN MPs were being provocative and acted like unduly, rowdy school children.
They should have behaved in a more dignified manner and showed decorum in the House.
It is hope the opposition MPs can behave diffrently from today onward. Even if provocative behaviour and abusive language are thrown at them, they should react with controlled language and manner. Don’t fall for their bait. This will surely stun the BN MPs. Show contrast, assure the people they ahd voted correctly.
April 30th, 2008 at 23: 28.49
Parody of Kerismuddin’s apology: (From a voter:) IF THE WAY I VOTED IN GE12 AFFECTED ANYONE, I CANNOT RUN AWAY FROM THE REALITY OF IT. I APOLOGISE TO BN AND THEIR COHORTS.
“TO THE NON-UMNO COHORTS BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF A ROCKET SYMBOL WHICH WAS NOT MY INTENTION. AND TO THE UMNO FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO UPHOLD THE DACING SYMBOL OF (UN)FAIRNESS”
April 30th, 2008 at 23: 32.55
“undergrad2, seriously lah!
I don’t know the protocol. I am merely asking so I can learn more!” Shio Guy
The King (Agong) cannot act except in accordance with advice and that advice is the “advice of the Cabinet” or “of a Minister acting under the general authority of the Cabinet”: Article 40 Federal Malaysian Constitution 1957. This doesn’t make him into a rubber stamp but a constitutional monarch - walking and breathing like you and me.
There is some limited but important discretion given to him under certain circumstances. Believe me you don’t want to go into that now.
But that discretion does not include writing his own speeches.
April 30th, 2008 at 23: 51.17
Shiok Guy,
The “advice” referred to is not the kind of advice your father would give you when you are about to run off with your Malay girlfriend so you could get married in Australia and claim asylum from the Australian government.
This is the kind of ‘advice’ the British Advisors in the 1800s gave the Malay sultans who later sat around a table to sign that piece of paper surrendering transferring sovereignty to them.
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 01.45
The bad start? The quarrel will give an excuse for minister of information to terminate live telecast.
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 06.18
From the way I see it, BN jokers are creating the fracas so that time can be wasted and AAB do not have to answer questions that he cannot or don’t want to answer.
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 25.36
This is not the place to ‘monkey around’ !
This is not how we want you to act, not in our parliament! MPs from both sides of the aisle should refrain themselves from acting in such unduly and rowdy manner. Does your insolence know no boundary? We want you to act as our responsible representatives in parliament, not as clowns. Is this the type of behavior you want the the younger generation to emulate. We want you to fight for us (our interests) not to fight amongst yourselves. Don’t make a spectacle of yourselves. Don’t have to show us what good actors you are. We are not interested!
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 38.38
To be very honest I think members of opposition fell short of their worthiness today. YB Karpal, Gobind and you and others seemed to have over reacted on issues that could take back seat.
If this approach continues on opposition part, we may soon see the lost interest of voters like me. Also, I was disappointed with karpal’s maiden remark on Bung Mokhtar calling him big foot just to be reciprocated with words ‘big monkey’. Can we expect our PR leaders to demonstrate the best manner under whatever situation while being firm in principle.
But please don’t think I condone with Ibrahim Ali because I never consider him worthy on anything relates to principle and manners. The PR could just ignore him as I’m sure of people’s impression of him.
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 43.50
Greetings from Australia…If there’s any link to that video…please post it here…I want to watch it.
May 1st, 2008 at 00: 55.58
I believe the UMNO cyber troop is patrolling Kit Siang’s blog every now and then. Therefore, I assume this blog could be treated as a platform for ‘direct communication’ between us, the people; and you, the enemy of the poeple.
Please send a clear signal to those sitting a few levels above your sorry-state pc clusters that: the poeple will REMEMBER each arrogant stunt you pulled in the parliment, and be prepared to be punished by our votes in the next GE.
As simple as ABC. You could enjoy acting in front of your dawning bosses, by all means do it more frequently. I would certainly enjoy seeing your sorry axx apologizing everywhere after being haunted by the fear of losing in the next GE.
Let us take kerismuddin, khairi-the-beruk, OKT, Khir, Sami veilu as the few significant examples. So guys, let the ignorant to learn their own lessons…the HARD way.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 05.41
Dear YB Lim, i woke up at 3am to watch RTM1 all the way from england! Im dissapointed with the speaker yes, but im not one bit suprised.
Im doubly, and triply dissapointed with PR (specifically DAP) MPs especially Karpal Singh, not to mention you. Whilst it was funny with Karpal and ‘Bigfoot’ name, it was uncalled for. When you make fun or insult someone it is bound to come back at you. The Pasir Mas MPs comment on YB Karpal was not right one bit, but it reflects my point just the same. Kudos to Azmin Ali for being one of the few people to talk sense and be civil! He was absolutely and completely right in his telling Karpal to take it as a gentleman.
The same goes to you YB Lim. I have the highest respect and admiration for you, however it is very often that you take cheap shots at the BN. The issue about the tsunami and UMNO hegemony need not have been said, especially in the way it was said. It gave the impression of arrogance and contempt, and that is not why your in parliament. Please tread these issues more carefully. Not just the malays, but even any right thinking non-malay would have felt that such a statement (in the way it was said) was not right.
MOST IMPORTANT, is that opposition MPs must stop taking cheap-shots and harping on trivial and nitty-gritty issues. I know that being the first session of the new parliament, and especcialy with i t being telecast live, that everyone is excited.
Bust you must keep your calm. Taking cheap shots at individuals, like Karpal amd the ‘right hand’ issue is not right. You shouldnt act like your adversaries in the BN. Just watch british parliament sessions on BBC, and you will see how they remain completely civil, respectful and focused on the goal. All this meesley politicking has to stop.
Taking shots at people might score a few political miles temporarily, but you very quickly loose twice as much respect from people. Especialy since it is live on TV, it is all the more reason to remain civil and dignified. Im very dissapointed with you and karpal especialy today. Whilst most PKR MPs did not speak much, when they did they were certainly more civil. To a large extent DAP MPs were like ‘tin kosong’ banging on about pointless issues.
Please focus on the important things rather than harping on nitty-gritty details for political milage. Swallow your pride if necessary. today it appeard more like an ego boosting/bashing session than anything. When you remain dignified in the face of the BN and unfair speaker, thats when you gain the most respect. Put forward important national issues.
Im not saying to keep quiet. Absolutely not. But please be more civil and cut down on all this politiking. When you hurl insults, do it legitimately, fairly and such that even BN MPs will say “Ai Say!” not so crudely and offensively. please.
i particularly hope you will pass my opinion on to karpal who is becoming increasingly like a nyanyuk loose canon.
I hope to see a much better parliamentary session on monday!
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 18.18
Jeff Ooi comment on the car right after Karpal Singh statement on the mongolian father towards the death of his daughter is a sign of disrespect. (Jeff please choose your battle wisely. I hope you know when to choose the battle. Winning is a give and take situation.)
Karpal Singh comment on “big foot”. Please be more professional. I’m a staunch supporter of DAP but the comments irk me. What do you think the Malay voters would think? Once again, choose the word wisely.
Lim Kiat Siang: Dear sir I respect you a lot but your poor command in Bahasa is an obstacle for you to present a strong debates. As a politician for so many years, you should realize that Bahasa is very important in order for you to debates/argue with the UMNO.
Lastly, DAP performance in the parliament is dissappointment. Please choose your battle wisely!! We love you but your performance truly sadden me. Regardless, how unfair BN treated you but please remember to protray yourself as a professional !!!!
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 20.42
bra888: You can watch live telecast from tvpas.com. However, the feed is little too slow.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 23.58
To BN leaders reading this blog. Though we complaint about DAP but we’re also aware of your unfairness towards the Pakatan Rakyat.
Please YB lim kiat siang remember this is a Public Relation war now. Please tell all DAP parlimentarian to choose the words wisely. I would recommend DAP to review how US politician debate their issues. I’m not sure if you can see it on CSPAN. Again, learn from the Republican on Public Relation.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 35.02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxssuODtM7Q
To me, that female speaker seems to get hurt easily. Demanding an apology for something as small as that magnitude just prove my point. I believe that she should not response by lecturing other people. She is handling an adult, who isn’t as easy to command or lecture as compared to little children.
That Karpal Singh to me is another problem. I mean, he isn’t elected by the people to call other MPs a Big Foot, or is he? Has he forgotten that the people are watching him? For all I know, whosoever who name call the other people in the parliament will sink down to the same status as the people who says ‘BODOH’ or ‘pondan’. Bung Mokhtar is evidently not a Big Foot even if he didn’t deny the statement done by Karpal Singh.
It is clear that there are no big foots or big monkeys in the parliament, so why should anyone reply to such name calling? If a child calls an adult names, what would the most mature reply be?
Please, no more name callings. Unless, never mind about the issues that they need to discuss, it is more important to call each other names. Calling names comes first in the list of discussion before abolishing ISA and NEP. That’s what politicians in Malaysia do and is their duty to do so in front of their people. I want my leaders to call names at each other. It is fun to watch leaders making a fool of themselves. While teachers are teaching the students that name callings are not professional, but who cares, our politicians do it. What a great example our politicians are making for the future generations. Heck, maybe I should approach to name calling if I am unsatisfied with foreigners, because after all, rich and powerful politicians in Malaysia do it, why can’t I?
So, the moral of that telecast to little Malaysians is, one of the best arguments ever is made through name callings. Take each name callings personally. I call you stupid, you call me idiot we get things done better this way.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 36.49
lyhmsia
Thanks
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 42.56
Lim Kit Siang,
I’m totally disappointed with Karpal Singh at the Parliament session today. I don’t expect an experienced MP like him to behave like that. Why want to waste time bringing out the unnecessary issues about the swearing session or even the number of words in the question being asked when there are more things to be debated about. Why not the opposition let Pak Lah to finish his answer and then take the time you’ve to question again. Just like the forum. Not every one has a chance to ask more question. But at least after the speakers finish talking then the audience one by one questioning. Because you opposition bring up these not important issues, that’s why the BN monkeys starting to throw bananas at you all. Why have to do this at the parliament? Grow up la. I voted DAP this election and don’t expect you all to behave like this. If this keep going on, I’ll vote you guys out next election, especially Karpal Singh.
On the other note, Katdog, economic is not the only issues among chinese and that’s not the only reason we voted DAP. Chinese voted DAP because of wanting equality in terms of status, education, opportunities etc. So Katdog, please don’t make false statement towards Chinese.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 45.06
3 out of 73 questions.
Great work!
The best I’ve seen so far.
Keep it up!
If I can manage to discuss the fourth questions, I guess I should consider quiting my studies and start being a politician. I guess I have to find better name callings from now on.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 47.31
If Dato Sri Anwar Ibrahim became the 6th Malaysian PM, who should be his deputy ?
sonofpenang.blogspot.com
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 51.17
Lim Kit Siang,
Can’t you see that all these name callings is belittling the profession of politicians? It was use to be about responsibility, respect, mature, professional, role model, and putting the people’s demands first.
Now, it’s like a child’s play, where there’s none from the above. Some how, deciding who is Big Foot or Big Monkey is more important than the other 70 questions.
May 1st, 2008 at 01: 58.07
YB Lim
I just watched the video.
I know sometimes we have to response to those who bark, but our response should not be barking back. If we do that we are lowering ourself to the same level.
Can I suggest this Mr Lim? When the BN MP is throwing abuse which is unparliamentary. All PR MP turn around and face away from the lot. Imagine 81 MP doing that and I am looking forward for it to be on TV.
Shiok Guy
Please read my questions for PR MP at my blog..
May 1st, 2008 at 02: 13.20
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/4/30/nation/20080430183950&sec=nation
Info minister rethinking live Dewan telecast
May 1st, 2008 at 02: 31.39
“Views for the benefit of MPs??”
First of all, there’s too much showing off by some that they are knowledgeable about the House standing orders and procedures. Both procedural objections raised, and efforts by Speaker to address and make a ruling on them wasted time that otherwise could be used to debate meaningfully substantive issues of national importance. Examples of such trivial procedural objections are:
· citing the standing orders to question certain BN leaders who failed to raise their hand during the swearing-in ceremony on Monday – Karpal Singh.
· questioning why Karpal, who is wheelchair-bound, did not ask permission from the House to allow him to speak without having to stand up - Independent MP Ibrahim
· complaint that Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail (PKR-Permatang Puah), who has been appointed opposition leader, should have been the first to pose questions in the new parliament - Azmin Ali (PKR-Gombak).
· Seeking to nullify question posed by Bung on grounds that it exceeded the 40-word limit - Bandar Kuching MP Chong Chieng Jen
An exception to this is YB Kit’s procedural objection to Speaker’s ruling refusing to allow the usual follow-up supplementary questions to the PM’s response. Don’t know whether it constituted “a mockery of parliament” & democratic process, but I agree that such procedural objections by Kit to the Speaker’s ruling is substantive in the sense that if not raised by him (1) substantive matters from supplementary questions would not have been otherwise addressed by the PM and (2) the Speaker whose position requires familiarity of standing orders get away from making a procedurally wrong ruling ie that no supplementary questions are entitled following answer to the main question!
Although Karpal’s “Bigfoot and Bung’s Monkey exchange was unnecessary and arguably unparliamentary, I don’t have strong feelings against it or its “entertainment value” provided that it did not provoke Parliament to a shouting match, pandemonium and waste too much parliamentary time. Maybe my expectation is a notch lower – when MPs are not customarily equal and proficient in witty verbal exchange, name calling appears to be the substitute…
I am more concerned with BN’s choice of Pandikar as speaker. Not knowing the procedure – that 2 or 3 supplementary questions following the main one are allowed – is one thing, perhaps a small concern since he too learns on the job : what I am more concerned is (1) his neutrality and (2) his temperament. He is too conscious of his authority and wisdom being challenged (All the time I hear “sila or tolong duduk”) and lacked the right balance of firmness and conviviality sprinkled with the right elements of humour, wit and charm to control the motley crowd in Parliament struggling to ascend from third world to first world parliamentary debates.
May 1st, 2008 at 02: 48.40
first day in class… er… zoo… er… parliament…
check out all the hoo-haa that happened on the first day of parliament sitting 2008, after the so-called tsunami win from opposition.
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from malaysian insider - point of orde…
May 1st, 2008 at 02: 57.33
Although I do not agree with YB Karpal Singh using the name “Big Foot” in the Parliament, unfortunately we need to use “animal language” to talk to “animals” sometimes. Malaysians have not forgotten that Bung has insulted women with his famous “Bocor” remarks.
As far as the uncomfortable “Big Foot” remarks being made, I am even more disgusted by a few BN MPs including Bung himselves not only challenging YB Karpal Singh to stand up but also laughed at him after the insensitive remarks being made. It is totally unacceptable and deplorable! Therefore, some BN MPs are by far more arrogant than before!
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/10/25/insensitive-ignorant-deplorable-and-abhorrenst-attack-on-the-disabled-oku/
The above link is a proof of repetition of offence and insensitivity made by some BN MPs again.
I am quite fine with the way YB Lim Kit Siang performed today, every MP has their different way of approaching the parliamentary sessions. However, I agree with many here that the Pakatan Rakyat should be in a more uniformed manner to deal with the Governing MPs but it is all too early to pass jugdement based on a short 30 mins and edited clips from the news. I am not quite sure about YB Lim’s opening speech on “Umno’s political hegemony”, but at least YB Lim was not afraid to express his views on the March 8th Political Tsunami. In fear of a back fire in the over all picture, I suggest that the bashing on “Umno’s political hegemony” to be put to rest now for the moment as Umno’s internal turmoil is doing a far better job in restraining their political hegemony and any additional firing from outside might do more harm than good now.
Yes, Pakatan Rakyat should use its 82 seats strength to “flex” its muscle. Work on a certain policies, empowering our new Opposition leader. When any of the BN MPs behave worse than an animal, the Opposition Leader & the other 81 PR MPs may stand up, turn away, face away or even walk out in protest…etc. I am not sure about the rules of parliamentary meetings but I guess 82 MPs is quite a number YB Lim!
In conclusion, I see no other better choice besides supporting the Pakatan Rakyat! Besides, the rakyat has given Barisan Nasional 50 years! and it is way too unfair and early to pass negative judgement on Pakatan Rakyat who has just formed for a mere 5 weeks. And Pakatan Rakyat knows well enough that the rakyat will vote anyone out the next time if promises (of best efforts) made during the election campaign are not met in the next 5 years!
YB Lim, with your continous effort and this blog. I must say that I can truly felt that our voice be heard in the Parliament because of you! Thank you! Take care and have a restful weekend.
May 1st, 2008 at 03: 05.41
After the rowdy parliamentary session, our Information Minister Ahmad Shabery Cheek said the ministry would review whether or not to continue the live telecast.
He is wrong….He should continue live telecast.
Amongst various reasons, I will for now cite four, as they occur to me: -
Firstly, if he were ashamed of MP’s conduct, then there is more the reason not to cover it up from the rakyat whom they represent. So that rakyat could also continuously evaluate how their representatives perform in parliament and make the right choices in the ballot box in next election or by election.
The second reason is why shame of conduct is never a good reason to bury it under the carpet is that it is from televised proceedings that rakyat and spectators could give criticisms – often constructive criticisms – by way of feed back to assist the MPs to correct their gaffes and move on to better conduct.
Third, the rowdiness or rambunctious of proceedings may be a temporary phenomenon. Like two new partners (two equally strong ruling and opposition sides) in a dance (or contest if you will), they need a time to adjust how to conduct themselves adversarially without uncivility; how to take pot shots at one another within framework of order without descending to chaos and disorder!
Fourth, it is consistent with democratic principles of transparency and accountability of politics that parliamentary debates be televised. In the process citizenry learns about the legislative process, how bills and laws are debated and passed. How could there be broadening down of democracy to wide spectrum of citizenry when their democratic right to be educated in the legislative process and what their representatives elected are doing in parliament is denied (in the sense not made freely accessible via media of television, You Tubes and so on)??
May 1st, 2008 at 05: 19.47
I didn’t really see any coordination between PAS, DAP, and PKR. The connection from tvpas was very poor; thus, I might be wrong.
Following are few points I believe it would help the Pakatan Rakyat:
1.Let Wan Azizah/female MP to start the question. With a women questioning about BN’ statement, if any MP from BN show disrespect this will result uproar from fellow Malaysian.
2.PAS, DAP, and PKR needs to coordinate together asking question. This show the cooperation between the parties. Yesterday, I can only see DAP requested for “soalan tambahan”. This mean whenever a party ask a question it would be follow by another pakatan rakyat party.
3.Also, allow the unknown “new MP” to request for “soalan tambahan”. I think this would not allow the viewers to associates negative perception of “old DAP”. Hence, they’ll listen to substance of the question. Certainly, the new MP must have the stomach to show firmness towards asking tough question.
May 1st, 2008 at 06: 33.13
The performance of the Speaker is pathetic!
He is unable to maintain order or even the appearance of impartiality. Aren’t the following, duties of the Speaker?
The Speaker has full authority to make sure MPs follow the rules of the House during debates. This can include:
Directing an MP to withdraw remarks if, for example, they use abusive language.
Suspending the sitting of the House due to serious disorder.
Suspending MPs who are deliberately disobedient (known as ‘naming’).
Asking MPs to be quiet so Members can be heard
May 1st, 2008 at 07: 28.07
dear devilmaster.
“they thought it was compulsory to vote for two candidates ”
I thought i did request Yb lim, to get all the heads of department of pakatan raayat to brief their respective ‘new mps” on the procedures in parliament, when some mps ” thought they forgot to submit questions”.
so the other 64 mps from pakatan raayat are second term mps?
( now i have to exclude the mp that stood on pas ticket as from pakatan raayat ). now dsai, will need to get an extra mp from sabah n sarawak to meet the numbers.
JUST ADMIT, THAT PAKATAN RAAYAT HAS YET TO GET TOGETHER TO FORGE A SINGLE IDENTITY. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YB LIM, ANWAR AND HADI , HAD A BRIEFING FOR ALL THEIR MPS. please correct me if i am wrong. Please.
And this is serious constructive comments. the people in coffee shops are already laughing about this. my newspaper man already said, ’sama juga’. -
If YB LIm, only wants to hear the good news liken abdullah badawi, that all is fine on the ground, ( which i dont believe YB is such a man ), than if we love dap, the more, we need to inform YB of the grassroot feelings.
thank you master devilmaster.
May 1st, 2008 at 07: 31.09
Hello this is a litmus test, whether opposition can gain further and conquer the federal. If u all the Malaysian wanted to win, it must first gain capacity in the parliament, with the current situation, opposition must used different tactic only then can gain yards, just like rugby.
There’s no need to discuss any good things with BN, cos they will not listen anyway. It is very good tactic to first tackle the law & rules etc so that ppl. will see whether BN men has change or not. But looks like that old stupid Bung have yet to change. And that new Yang Dipertua looks like the king of hypocrite, he’s there to make sure the flow preventing supplementary questions. I never see in other country got such an idiot there to prevent questions been asked and answer.
If the leader are weak, couldn’t justify most of the questions from the opposition firstly from rules angles, then it is the best tactic to use. Good job PR! Don’t expect opposition to feed the stupid BN men. Pak Lah now even extend the EPF contribution to 60 yrs old, mean these BN men going to stay on for longer. So Malaysian will suffer further, PR has nothing to discuss except for rules & laws, cos BN men are known to be outlaws.
By the way, CHAMPION LEAGUE champion will be CHELSEA in MOSCOW by penalty kick becos that filthy rich owner ALREADY BOUGHT the trophy. Man Utd probably retained the EPL trophy. Even at international level also there’s corruptions. Riise did Chelsea a big favour at the last 4th minutes of injury time, do u think it is real? same with our parliament today, no matter anything, PR must 1st drill in to the Rules & Laws, because Pak Lah wanted to reform, he must answer how to reform?
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 05.19
Those MP who ask Karpal Sing to stand up, are not fit to be MP in the first place, n that speaker is so biased!
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 07.36
Guys,
welcome to the circus and where are the clowns!!!!
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 30.55
Rakyat from all walks of life glue their eyes on the first live telecast dewan sitting which could as well be the last. The dewan just look like a bunch of playful kindergarten kids. Precious time being wasted. Elected MPs must understand that when the rakyat elected them to the parliament house, they carry their aspirations and must perform to their expectations, especially on current issues that are affecting their livelihood. STOP the shouting game and behave like YBs!
Uncle Lim, I notice Datuk Samy sitting at the dewan back row. I wonder how he feel being there as a non-MP. That’s life, right? Someday we are up and someday we are down. The important thing is - don’t forget to look down when we are up!
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 46.03
Dear Sir jeffrey.
whatever legal jargons are IRRELEVANT to the largely rural voters.
whether it is swearing under admin or the breaking of rules by the speaker.
they heard loud and clear yesterday, karpal and bung calling each other big foot and monkey. period. and rtm will repeat this over and over again.
is that impressive.?
nyet. bung will be bung, and why karpal must play fiddle with him.?
YB KARPAL SINGH SHOULD HAVE A STANDING OVATION, BEING AN MP EVENTHOUGH HANDICAPPED BY AN ACCIDENT THAT HE IS NOW IN A WHEEL CHAIR. SORRY YB KARPAL. BUT you need not speak like the bocor bung.
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 46.35
Worse than secret society members “talking tea table”!!!
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 50.26
Finally wrote my opinion on the 12th parliament here
http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/search/label/Politic
PR please no more name calling.
Shiok Guy
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 51.07
Looks like Pandikar has done a good job on his first day! He’s out to “stop” the PR all by himself!
Now we hear the Minister of Information wants to stop the Telecast of the Parliment Sessions. He says Parliment is not a Circus. Really? If it’s not, then stop putting up a Circus Show! He does not want the Rakyat to see how the BN MPs behave!
After watching how the BN MPs & the Speaker behaves, all I can say is, THANKS! More of the Rakyat will start supporting the PR!
By the way, when is the PR going to come up with a Shadow Cabinet? And please try not to “sink” to the level of the BN MPs.
May 1st, 2008 at 08: 55.14
Bung mokhtar discriminates against disabled. There’s one blind man politician appointed by BN govt. we can ask him to read it out as well.
To kentutoyol,
Don’t be stupid this world has nothing as ideal:-
“Precious time being wasted.”
Since independence, we Malaysian already given mandate to the BN govt. to waste time. Do you think we are advance today, we can even lost to Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia.
“Elected MPs must understand that when the rakyat elected them to the parliament house, they carry their aspirations and must perform to their expectations, especially on current issues that are affecting their livelihood.”
Do u think they dunno law? do u think Malaysia got law? Atlantuya case, Lingam case, stop been stupid, do u think Pak Lah abide law? his son in law, and son? do all bloggers feel stupid today? Malaysia has no law, that is why PR have to ask question pertaining to law and rules. Before the GE12, there’s already no law, after the GE12 it is even worst, no law.
“Bung Mokhtar asking Karpal to stand up is like telling that blind politician BN appointed to read out loud to everyone what he see.”
To all the bloggers, use brain and think, Malaysia is continue like that no foreigner will come or be attracted due to deterioration in law and orders.
Penangites, future is at stake, 2nd Penang bridge on hold (cancel in a nice way) KL - Singapore bullet train cancelled (who is so stupid to destroy future infrastructure, with this infrastructure ppl. can easily migrate to Singapore to work, also bring in inflow of foreigner funds). Whoever cancelled the project is at the expense of Malaysian. Without future infrastructure such as the transportation how can Malaysia remain competitive? If the MP don’t abide the rules and regulation do u think they will understand what it means by competition.
PR u guys did an excellent job, keep stressing on Rules and Laws, becos there is no point to discuss other craps. It is not wasting time, it is in fact buying time so that soon these bunch of useless craps like Bung and PL will be booted for good before December 2008.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 01.32
If we don’t build these infrastructure now, it will cost much higher tomorrow. Have u ever heard land value drops? because LAND in economic is SCARCE. STUPID govt. has no appreciation for basic ECONOMIC knowledge. If they don’t build these infrastructure Malaysia will remain uncompetitive, foreginer definitely will not come due to political unstable and govt. not willing or encourage to build infrastructure to sustain development. It make us looks like 3rd class citizen where we are no difference compare to Utophia in Africa, the citizen have to beg for food.
If we don’t built them now, it will cost us three or four times more expensive later because land value increases and the cost of land acquisition will be higher (basic economy).
I hope before December 2008 govt. will be change, else all bloggers can continue to rants without seeing any improvement.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 10.57
Whereas India and China, or even Indonesia govt. are constantly building these infrastructure or encourage private companies or manufacturer to build for them.
Many Taiwanese manufacturer are setting up plan in China provided they build schools, roads, bridge for the local. What is Malaysia govt. lacking? LEADER (ZzzZzzz sleepy dragon before and after GE12)
Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia all these countries are continuing encouraging foreigner companies to set up plants, even grant lease land to people so that they can develop it.
In Malaysia, we don’t all those land go to relatives related to UMNO. Why? for what? self benefit? In the end the Malaysian have to share the burden, because inflow of foreigner capital is low.
We all end up buying more expensive stuff, also those stuff are not of any better. We drive a lousy proton milo tin car which many foreigner will laugh why malaysian are so stupid for that price they can buy a better car like the Honda car at cheaper cost.
In Malaysia if u r average or poor, u will have to pay higher cost to live becos our govt. charge us the highest petrol cost among the petrol producing country. Other petrol producing country, the cost of petrol is cheaper than us, you can compare with Mecca petrol cost. The Toyota Camry is very cheap there, here Malaysian pay higher some of those 20% or 30% duty are gone to politician pocket? so far what MITI has done to exploit or re distribute these funds back to the community? or only enrich their pockets while Malaysian have to suffer.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 12.49
If u r a Malaysian will u leave Malaysia? or wait here let the govt. come and robe u and ur family.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 20.16
The UMNO govt. has done a terrible sin to deny Malaysian all these opportunity so that the poor can become average, the average can become rich, the rich can continue to prosper. Now all the average and poor are burden further by inflation, u have to kill ur childrens now due to this high cost, ur children even though they get all the A’s but difficult to get subsidize due to quotas system, there is not much medical benefit u can get and there are many more social issues e.g. lack of proper infrastructure, cause massive jammed etc. Loss of job opportunities, the previous govt. acceptable practice using the people money to bind Motorola to continue remain in Penang, this is clear indication why the cost of living in Malaysia is getting higher while our income does not prosper. The more they practice their so called acceptable “faux” practice it makes the foreigner investor e.g. VW feel the govt is ridiculous, therefore VW insisted to sell their car, at charge Malaysian higher cost 250K (equivalent to Honda Accord V6) to humilliate Malaysian, if Malaysian so rich go and buy VW, actually VW don’t aim to gain any sales, just wanted to see any stupid Malaysian will buy it becos they are stupid to drive milo tin car, sure there will be some rich stupid willing to buy it. Good Job VW, if im the boss there well it is OK to do so cos Malaysian are basically stupid.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 24.32
It is not the first time they do it, but continue to do it, soon the ppl. will revolt. GE12 is a clear indication yet the UMNO PL still continue to do so in the parliaments. Wait and see by the end of December 2008 hopefully, justice will regain in Malaysia.
All these cheating figures, UMNO lands, next few years cost will be higher so they delay them to become rich when they retired from politcis, what a nice move.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 31.53
Uncle Lim
I dont think it was a bad start after all. We expected to see the biasness from BN and the Speaker.
But by any means pls do not agree to stop the live telecast.
May 1st, 2008 at 09: 54.33
“Big foot and monkey” may be unacceptable to serious Opposition supporters here but I really don’t know about want ordinary or rural folks think but judging from the pix on front page of The Star, some having a good laugh at the circus. I wish to note that even if once in a while the August House turns circus, it does not imply that serious substantive issues will not get a chance to be debated. If it was unfortunate that only 3 out of 73 questions got answered, it was more due to procedural squabbling (to be eschewed) than trading of “Big foot and monkey” insults…
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 00.12
Corrections, there is no country named Utophia in Africa,
Cambodia n Laos are certainly behind us in FDI or infra. developmt, or GNP/ capita, or size of GNP, etc.
Our petrol price is not highest among petrol producing country, at least Norway is much higher! But yes, our car price is VERY HIGH!
pls, don’t write something you are not sure!
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 03.03
pwcheng is right. We need not be arogant over DAP’s success.
I support DAP all my life but I beg to differ in their presentation in the Parlliament yesterday. Mr Lim could save so much shouting and allow more serious business tp be done. In bickering over those issues like unfair number of questioning and so forth, precious time is wasted for nothing.
The rakyat know very well that there was so much bias ib the proceeding. And we know what action to take during GE.
If DAP and its allies could behave in more civil manner, they would definitely win mor votes in future.
Already my neoghbours and friends whom I convinced them to vote for DAP are regretting over thier action.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 15.14
Personally I feel no great abhorrence at Karpal’s Big Foot reference to Bung, and the latter’s “Monkey” in retaliation. In first world parliament – the British House of Commons debate – don’t be surprised at occasional name calling like “useless oppressive monkey”! At least our MPs don’t vie for media attention like their Taiwanese counterparts who resorted to fistfights and brawls!
I am indulgent of insults – even occasional name calling – because (rightly or wrongly) it is only natural and not uncommon in parliaments anywhere. This is again because of the institutional setting of parliament where interaction between government and opposition is more often than not adversarial and confrontational. This is not a perfect debate environment like that between schools for trophies. It is inevitable that adversariality in such a setting will be accompanied by other ancillary aspects to controversy of negative value involving rudeness, hostility, animosity, name-calling, put-down, insults, ad hominem attacks, misinterpretation etc
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 26.51
Dear YB Kit
May I humbly suggest that you lead our Parliamentarians the way to be the “best-in-class” legislators. Do not let the clowns drag you and your Party colleagues unwittingly down to their same gutter or sewage level by emotional response and reaction. Remain cool, detached and unaffected and keep intact your grace and decorum.They are already in the deepest stinkiest pits so stay away fimly on solid and high moral grounds. In this way DAP colleagues can look down at them, remain pensive and contented and with peace from within. Smile at them but do not snigger like Maha-Firaun, the senile politician was fond of doing.
By the way you and your colleagues should not be affected at all by the antics of Ibrahim Ali because he has proven to be capable of doing unbelievable things, all unprincipled and immoral, for money and himself as he had sold his soul many times over. He is the most distrusted politician in this beloved land of ours.
Wishing you all the best in your struggles for our blessed nation.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 27.42
We don’t have a perfect debating environment and there is always a place for verbal warfare and the art of insult – one can’t escape that.
And this is because in a performance orientated parliamentary setting, the objective of MP’s, besides canvassing information, is to promote one’s own party’s or coalition’s image or ostensibly the rakyat’s position and demote the image of the opposite party of different ideology in eyes of audience.
Civilised debate based on logic, procedures and facts has its place but not all the time because their effect depends on (1) eloquence/fluency of the language spoken in parliament and (2) the other side’s as well as the audience’s receptivity and ability to grasp, be affected and capacity to respond…
Those who judge harshly the MPs performance will do well to reflect the arguments and debates in this Blog – this blog is also an environment of debate - in which we too argue our positions and contradict the others : has it ever been “perfect” here based on all courtesy, civility, logic without insults and name calling???
MPs are our elected representatives and whatever our higher expectations of them, I wonder whether it is realistic for us to expect them to display a higher standard of debate, free of all name calling, than their critics here.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 38.23
To Cheng
Corrections, there is no country named Utophia in Africa,
Ethiopia
Cambodia n Laos are certainly behind us in FDI or infra. developmt, or GNP/ capita, or size of GNP, etc.
Their growth rate compare to Malaysia present growth rate
Our petrol price is not highest among petrol producing country, at least Norway is much higher!
Norway have high living standards, it’s part of the EU compare to Islamic oil producing country like Saudi Arabia, Mecca
But yes, our car price is VERY HIGH!
pls, don’t write something you are not sure!
Lol! yes im not sure, but who is more sure, the frogs in Malaysia.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 39.33
Those who go Mecca for Haj, go check out what is the prices of their petrol compare to Malaysia.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 42.29
What stupid business u can do if the BN shyt won’t even allowed to answer the rules & regulations.
“Mr Lim could save so much shouting and allow more serious business tp be done.”
Go back home u stupid UMNO putras.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 45.42
“Already my neoghbours and friends whom I convinced them to vote for DAP are regretting over thier action.”
Another UMNO putra, so many UMNO putras in YB LKS blogs, now the Gerakan wolves, and 55 NGOs received fresh support & backing from Cronies UMNO, soon Malaysia will sell out to these dogs.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 46.23
For 17 yrs they never regret for 1 mth they already regret ur neighbor can be a whore.
May 1st, 2008 at 10: 46.59
Given that human beings are diverse, I do not think there is anything out of the world about how the session has gone the way it has been - I firmed believed that we need a few sessions for parliamentarians to orientate themselves and it is ok to stumble upon some hickups and progressions take place along the way.
We have to agree taht the session is unique to Malaysia and even if it does not look like how parliament was conducted in other countries, it is acceptable for there is no other Malaysia alike out there.
In this new age with the technology supporting extremely fast feedback loop, it is more important that politicians be equipped with
new skillsets including acting - one has to be percieved good in addition to being a good character - and ability to pick correct words to use in split seconds - now that the output are scrutinized in realtime and over more channels.
Healthy politics, like it or not.
May 1st, 2008 at 11: 06.18
There is a great deal of criticism of Karpal calling Bung “big foot”. I have a sneaky suspicion Karpal was baiting Bung to put his foot in his mouth, which he is prone to do once he is provoked.
The Information Minister complains of rowdiness from the Opposition but it takes two hands to clap. I totally disagree with his views that he might want to terminate the live telecast. Please do not insult our intelligence. We know what is right and wrong. And if he thinks the Opposition is wrong to create such scenes, all the more reason he should allow live telecast as it would benefit the BN if the Opposition continues to disgrace themselves live on TV. Unless of course, he is worried that the BN MPs will make bigger fools of themselves.
Furthermore the Speaker’s actions (or the lack of it) did not help matters. He was clearly nervous at being at the center of the line of fire and I could detect in his voice and mannerisms that he was also trying very hard to contain his anger and frustration. He must learn to cultivate a sense of humour and time such tension breaking interjections to ease the tense situations.
I agree that the Opposition leader should be given the courtesy of asking the first question. But I suspect the real reason for this lack of courtesy has nothing to do with deliberate disrespect but more to give the PM the chance to have his full propaganda say in Parliament with the live coverage. And the Speaker tried to help to maximise the value of the PM’s reply by disallowing supplementary questions that could have embarassed him. YB Kit was right to lambast the Speaker for this. He has disgraced the august house of Parliament because the fundamental purpose of Parliament is to debat such issues. The Speaker kept harping that he made the decision to disallow supplementary questions was in order that other questions for the benefit of the rakyat be tabled as well. Well, I am also interested in the supplementary questions because they are also in the interest of the rakyat. Especially those which the PM has promised on security etc which he has made many promises but delivered none.
May 1st, 2008 at 11: 19.31
PL is weak to answer, that’s why that Yang Dipertua is there to shield it for him unlike Tun Dr Mahathir, who will dare to challenge, or Rafidah Aziz, these ppl. will be very outspoken, the reason why Pak Lah did not answer much question is becos, most of those dirty jobs are done by previous Tun Dr. Mahathir ppl within UMNO. If Pak Lah talk too much he will sure kena tembak further. Hence, Pak Lah need protection, when Rafidah still around she could have jeopardize opposition from asking further.
May 1st, 2008 at 11: 20.50
Well said Cinapek, agree with you on Speaker.
Btw has anyone noticed the arrogance of that sil? How timely, the Opposition gave him that opportunity, this guy never fail to hop on for cheap publicity, does he ever?!
May 1st, 2008 at 11: 41.49
how are we going to have a good parliament if you look at the varieties of MPs here:
1)Dato Seri Tiong (Bintulu):billionaire (fighting for public interests?i doubt!)
2)Bung Mokthar:monkey king and possible to speak w/o a mic
3)Paklah:sleeping beast(was him the person who bought the most expensive matress tat worth rm 50k?)sleep well,dear PM!
4)Rafidah:absent queen,shopping queen,richest woman in malaysia!
5)KJ:anti non-malays,clean sweeper of mega projects,mat-rempits’ supporter!
6)Hisham:malaysia’s best actor,ever,after belated P.Ramli
7)Dato Seri Fong:penjilat PM yang terbagus!
8)Azalina:her mission impossible this term is to make the 5 states become ‘zero-tourist’ areas (Pinang,Sel,Perak,Kedah and Kelantan)
9)Rustam:babi ada virus,burung tak ada!
10)Taib Mahmud:property king in malaysia,1.4 million hectors of land in sarawak,i think the premiums are free too,otherwise you smart ppl go and calculate how much wud it be!
May 1st, 2008 at 11: 57.21
We think all of you as YB Member of Parliament should know what is best for all of you.
Not only you all are elected to be the Honorable ones and representatives of the ordinary people of the country, all of you are LEADERS in your own right and are expected to show and demonstrate leadership quality under whatever circumstances.
To us, some of the MP behaved more like monkeys and as elected representatives and LEADERS of the country.
If any of the MP is not ready to be so, then he or she should quit, that is all to it.
May 1st, 2008 at 12: 03.20
Well we have to just ignore the UMNO Putras. We should not get ourselves too worked up by their outward behavour.
Please bear in mind what they are all made of:-
1. No brains at all. Some may have small brains but they had been fossified eons ago.
2.A Parasitic DNA. In fact they are worse than leeches because leeches when they are full after injesting blood would be contented to drop off. But not the UMNO Putras. They are forever a parasite. Their scienific name is umno-putraparasitiis.
3.They are forever handicapped. Can never move around without clutches.
4.They think and behave as if the World owes them a living. So they all walk with their clutches but with one hand outstretched for alms and handouts.
5.They have never developed mentally. So still with an undeveloped infant mindset.
6.Their world is a lost world. The UMNO Putras are all Neanderthals. All their other Malays party followers and all other Malays, Indians, Chinese, Ibans, Bidayuhs, Kadazans and the rest of Malaysians are Homo Sapiens sapiens with a totally globalised mindset.
Anymore UMNO-negativism?
So why worry for them?
May 1st, 2008 at 12: 09.54
I do hope DAP could save so much shouting and allow more serious business to be done. Precious time is wasted for nothing.Do not arque on small issues, you have more and more important issues to address.Be more professional.I believe your good suggestions/proposals which are for the benefit of Malaysian, will definately be accepted by BN. All MPs should work together…no condemn on each other.
May 1st, 2008 at 12: 29.55
MalaysiaToday carries Sin Chew’s report on Ong Kah Ting’s denunciation of Malay Supremacy, mono-race, mono-religious policies of the BN. My feeling is that there is a conspiracy for a repeat of Operation Lallang which started with the quarrel between the MCA and the UMNO on the issue of “pendatang”. We have to be careful with this sudden ferocity of the MCA in shouting against UMNO or the BN. I repeat that I think there is a big, big conspiracy between the MCA and UMNO to create and stir up enough reasons to invoke the ISA with massive arrests.
May 1st, 2008 at 12: 50.46
Nothing will be gain if PR MP,s scream and shout in Parliment. I know it will hard for PR,S MP,s.Just remember an empty vessel mades the most noise.
This BN MP,s will use all the trick in the book to make it hard for the opposition MP,s .But please no more walk out .
May 1st, 2008 at 12: 57.58
In the confrontational setting of parliament between Govt and Opposition of almost equal strength but divergent ideology, the natural goal of each group will (inevitably though not admirably) be to challenge, undermine the credibility or authority of the opposite group, and if this is accepted, then insults (even if directed at targeted one member of the other group which is intended to cast a reflection on all other members of other group supporting him) cannot be ruled out.
Once insults are inevitable then definitely insults will, as normal, focus on the targeted person’s characteristics such as physical impairments, a low intellectual capacity, and moral shortcomings etc.
It is all part of the game and Bung & Karpal are showing this to Malaysians by insulting each other “Big Foot and Monkey” during parliamentary session and thereafter shook hands with all smiles. It is all part of the natural order of things in Parliament. If we’re shocked it is not because they (Karpak & Bung) were wrong but we’re not adequately exposed to parliamentary debates here or elsewhere by televised on time unedited means!
As always the challenge in Parliamentary Code of Conduct is how to draw a linew between what is permissible insult and what is unparliamentary. It depends on nuance, context and words used which is subjective as it is difficult to benchmark. For example if “Big Foot and Monkey” are permissible insults why not “bochor”? If “bochor” what about “stupid” or “old man”???
The difficulty for the Speaker is where to draw the line. One has to think through and come out with some principles on this.
May 1st, 2008 at 13: 06.10
I have not seen the live telecast but from what I heard and read, it is a good move forward to telecast the session live. At least the people can judge for themselves who they voted for.
It is high time for people to be more aware of what actually goes on in Parliament. Isn’t this what democracy is all about. Hopefully, the next time anyone votes, they will be more aware of who they are voting for instead of just ticking the next to the dacing sign or rocket sign or whatever. Some voters do not even know the name of the person who is standing for election. If you put a dead wood next to the BN sign, in all likelyhood, some voters would probably still vote for the dead wood as long as it is next to a BN sign.
The live telecast should be extended beyond 30mins. Let the elected people be seen and heard. Afterall, public funds are involved in all that the government does. The public has the right to know. Obviously, the Info Minister thinks otherwise. Sounds like the BN is not prepared to take the heat and subject themselves to public scrutiny!
May 1st, 2008 at 14: 30.31
All groups go through the following phases : FORMING –> STORMING—> NORMING —> PERFORMING —–> ADJOURNING and maybe even MOURNING.
It is possible that we can fall back to the previous phase or never even progress to the next. And even progress directly to the MOURNING phase.
Where will our MPs “progress” to if at all? Will we be stuck at the “FORMING” and “STORMING” phases and never progress to the “PERFORMING” phase?
It all depends on the individual members who form the whole.
May 1st, 2008 at 14: 57.45
both sides should stop name calling and go on to the real issue of the rakyat.i dont even care if the opposition seats is not cushy and comfy compared to the bn chair.deal with it and debate the rakyat issues not the wakil rakyat issues.