I have given notice to Parliament to have an urgent debate on Wednesday for the release of the Hindraf Five – M Manoharan, DAP Selangor Assemblyman for Kota Alam Shah, P. Uthayakumar, V. Ganabatirau, R. Kenghadharan dan T. Vasantha Kumar – and over 60 other detainees currently held in Kamunting Detention Centre under the Internal Security Act (ISA), including some who had been incarcerated for over six years.
In calling on Parliament to urge the Abdullah administration to respect and comply with the wishes of the people as demonstrated in the March 8 “political tsunami” for a more democratic, accountable and progressive Malaysia, the government is reminded that the ISA detainees should not be denied their fundamental rights to an open trial if they are deemed to be threats to national security.
The refusal of the government to release the Hindraf 5 and the scores of other ISA detainees is proof that the Abdullah administration is not prepared to heed the people’s aspirations clearly articulated in the March 8 “political tsunami” to end its arrogant governance and to revoke its high-handed and undemocratic policies and laws.

#1 by anak sungeisiput on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:01 pm
Well done uncle Lim. Your honety and sincereity in you coomitment to uphold fairness, justice, and your commitment to human rights is reflected on the priority you have shown over the release of H5 and the other detainees.
The Indians in Malaysia have been betrayed by the Badawi government even after a cear message was sent on 8/3. We fair minded Malaysians, particualarly Malaysian Indians, will not rest until the H5 are released. We are resolute in our determination becasue we know the H5 have been detained under false accusations.
#2 by cheng on soo on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:22 pm
They could hv release Hindr 5 just b4, GE12, and get plus points for themselves, but they didnt.
#3 by devilmaster on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:23 pm
If anything happens to Uttayakumar(he is very ill at the moment and has been denied proper food and medical care), we will hold the govt responsible, especially the rubbish-talking minister Syed Hamid Albar.
#4 by Godson on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:47 pm
a$SUPP. You are going down. We will get you. Sarawak will be next target. Trust me.
#5 by bentoh on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:53 pm
Dear Uncle Lim,
Apparently you are learning fast… to include 60 other ISA detainees after RPK’s Malaysia Today’s critics… hehe~~ Bravo anyway, it’s time the Parlimentarian to sit down and discuss about the possibility to abolish ISA… or at least review it… alongside with the infamous OSA…
On the side note, the Malay Mail had reported the third “big fight” in Perak where DAP’s MP Kulasegaran seeking to be appointed as Ipoh’s mayor, while other members of Pakatan seek to defend the incumbent…
I certainly wish this will not rise to become a BIG FIGHT… a small fight is ok… not a big fight please… if DAP doesn’t get it… so be it… push the local election through as soon as possible instead…~~
On the other hand, is it good to have an MP presiding the town council?
Regards,
#6 by undergrad2 on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 5:58 pm
Kit,
This is the first time in a long while that I see the fate of the other detainees being mentioned together with the fate of the Hindraf detainees.
I must congratulate you for being the patriot that you are to all Malaysians, for widening the issue to include the fate of all detainees. Each detainee is somebody’s husband, somebody’s father, somebody’s brother, somebody’s uncle. Human rights are no less human just because one is being detained for alleged acts of terrorism and the other for alleged crimes against property etc. What makes it a human right issue is that these detainees have been deprived of their right to due process. They have not been charged nor informed what the allegations against them are, nor provided access to legal counsel.
#7 by limkamput on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 6:28 pm
Thank you for tabling this motion, Sdr Lim. But why only you? Why not a joint motion from PAS and PKR as well?
#8 by badak on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 6:59 pm
BN will never learn,To Misnisters has said that they will not channel funds directly to the to the 5 PR states.ACA is them good in just 2 weeks of investication.They have said that the tourism minister has done nothing wrong.I don,t see how a minister can give millions of RM to an NGO which she herself is the patron.
The wife of the ex Selangor MB,Has said that since her husband is still the care taker MB, it is not wrong of her to give the millions in BALKIS account to BAKTI.I can imagine if PR take over the goverment,This bunch of UMNO blood suckers will transfer all goverment funds to UMNO.
#9 by chiakchua on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 7:29 pm
Congratulations to KIT for tabling the motion to release not only the 5 but also the others. Well done! Yes, its true, this should be a joint effort of the Pakatan Rakyat, to carry more weight. However, may be there isn’t time for the Pakatan to discuss on this subject in order to be in time for the questioning in the Parliament.
The BR ministers are still stuck with their ‘dictatorial and bully’ attitude. Syed Hamid (on ISA & M.O), Khir Toyo (on fund trandfer) and Tourism Minister, BN will continue to suffer with these stumps around!
#10 by bentoh on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 7:32 pm
# limkamput Says:
Today at 18: 28.46 (53 minutes ago)
Thank you for tabling this motion, Sdr Lim. But why only you? Why not a joint motion from PAS and PKR as well?
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Dear limkamput,
If you do read some of the minutes in Hansard archive (Parliament Malaysia), you’ll know that it requires only one person to move an urgent motion.
The speaker will then schedule to let the particular MP to read his/her notice out loud in the parliament. The speaker will then approved or reject the call for urgent motion, according to 3 criterias, namely, whether the issue is fixed; whether it involves public importance; and whether it needs to be handled IMMEDIATELY.
I would say Uncle Lim’s motion will be rejected due to “the need to debate on such issue is not URGENT”…
Regards,
#11 by limkamput on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 8:30 pm
Bentoh, yes the three criteria are: the matter must be specific, urgent and of public importance. I just want PKR and PAS to show their stand. Rightly or wrongly, I feel that the two parties have not done enough on this issue. That is all.
#12 by Killer on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 10:45 pm
Uncle Lim
Are you serious ? Do you know why the other 60 ISA detainees are being held for ? This is idiocy.
Well, as for HINDRAF 5, it is a matter of time they are released.
And don’t for a moment believe the lies that being spread by the HINDRAF leaders and supporters that Uthaya is seriously ill.
#13 by alaneth on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 10:50 pm
I am afraid the BN govt will not favour their release as it may jeopardise them. But the decision not to release them will also cause the fence-sitter rakyat to stay with PR.
#14 by sonicwall on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 10:51 pm
Uncle Kit
sorry for out of topic request. Can you do us a favor to find out what happen to the Lingam Royal Comission Report?
#15 by limkamput on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 10:52 pm
Please, I hope whatever you said about Hindraf detainees are true, which would make you a very knowledgeable insider. Otherwise, I suggest you give some respect to those who have been deprived of their freedom. By the way, you said more than what you said here about the Hindraf leaders in other threads.
#16 by donplaypuks on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 11:49 pm
Dear LKS
Please also table a motion to abolish the ISA. They can have a separate ‘Prevention of Terrorism Act’ wherby pre-emptive strikes can be launched against anyone who is suspected of planning terrorist attacks.
But not under the catch-all ‘National Security’ phrase where opposition to BN can mean one ending up in prison without trial.
I am sure at least 80% of Malaysians will support both motions if allowed a free vote at a National Referendum.
#17 by undergrad2 on Monday, 28 April 2008 - 11:58 pm
A re-post of an earlier comment on the issue:
We must not forget that we are living in a post 9/11 world. This single incident has changed the world and countries all over the world have passed similar legislation but with safeguards against their possible abuse.
In fact prior to 9/11 the U.S. has been critical of Malaysia and felt we should repeal our ISA. But instead as a result of 9/11 they have taken a leaf from our experience when fighting terrorism, and introduced their own ISA – the U.S. Patriots Act and the Real ID Act.
But they are important and major differences. They have very strong safeguards against abuse by the President and his powers are in any case temporary and they call for mandatory review by the U.S. Congress. Our ISA has been used to stem political dissent which is wrong! It is never the objective of Parliament when it passed the law for the Act to be used other than combating Communist terrorism. The father of recently deceased Rustam, Ahmad Boestaman had links to Indonesia’s PKI and he was detained by the Brits for eight years and by Tunku for four years. But Ops Lallang detainees are not new converts to Communism which was in its death throes!
Our courts in the 80s have chosen to give a liberal interpretation to the phrase “threat to national security”. Guess who was the Prime Minister than?? He and Musa Hitam made a toke release of ISA prisoners when they took over the reins and reneged on their promise to do away with it completely.
To repeal the Act in the post 9/11 is not unlike saying we have to ban automobiles because they can be used as a weapon!
#18 by alfatih on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:09 am
YB LIM KS
Thank you for your leadership in fighting for the realease of all the ISA detainees. I hope you can also sppearhed the fight to abolish ISA and other draconian acts. May god bless you.
#19 by balance88 on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:25 am
The Hindraf detainees should be released if not charged. Using the ISA to silence such people is a mockery of the judicial system and above all, a very cowardly act by the ruling govt.
Linking these people to the Tamil Tigers is absurd. If there are such links, then charge them. But in any case, one wonders why the Tamil Tigers would be interested in meddling with the internal affairs of Malaysia. As if they have nothing better to do.
This is clearly an abuse of the ISA. The govt should not be allowed to silence vocal dissenters under the veil of ISA.
#20 by Dr. W on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:29 am
Kit Siang,
I was emotional after learning about how the father of the murdered Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu was treated by the arrogant BN leaders this morning.
KS, please bring the murder case of Altantuya Shaariibuu all the way to the parliment and throw the questions into the face of the culprit. For such a shocking murder to take place in our country is already a shame, worse still our legal system which allows the suspects to run around the country sends cold shivers down my spine.
Let us not forget about the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu. The murderers and associates have to be brought to justice without doubts. If the past political tsunami is not great enough to make this happen, prepare for something worse in the next general election, BN.
For this arrogant [deleted] who projects himself as the PM-in-waiting, I hope the reformed judiaciary will reserve a place for you in the cage.
#21 by AhStone on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:50 am
a good start and perhaps an important one. how on earth the judicial reformation can start if they dont even want to abolish ISA, OSA or even c4 etc…. and for the right motive- not just for the hindraf 5 but for all those detained in ISA without trial. our plight should be for all those in ISA not just Hindraf 5. speak up and stand out- uncle lim u re doing the right thing! we the people are behind you
#22 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:59 am
It is understandable to be calling for the Act’s repeal without more, when you are in the opposition and especially when you yourself along with the others fell victim and in some cases more than once to such abuse of power. The abhorrent aspect of the ISA is in its abuse made possible by the absence of legal safeguards against the arbitrary use of Ministerial powers – like judicial review. But like I said we are living in a post 9/11 world when terrorism is a constant threat not just in Malaysia but all over the world. The threat is global in nature.
Today in Malaysia, the prospect of an ‘opposition’ run federal government is no more a fiction or a possibility but could be a reality sooner than many think. There is a need for legislation like the ISA to fight extreme right wing elements among us who may resort to terrorist or terrorist-like tactics to re-claim their power.
The very thought of having legislation that would deny citizens of their right of due process and the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus is naturally repulsive to those of us who believe in the liberty of the individual, of fundamental liberties and the rule of law. Thus we may want such legislation to be temporary in nature, and to remain on the books only for as long as terrorism remains a global threat.
#23 by limkamput on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 2:22 am
If ISA has judicial review, then it is not the ISA as we understand. I just wonder what this fellow is talking about.
Such a legislation (is it with judicial review or without judicial review?) to be temporary in nature? As long as terrorism remains a global threat? Who get to decide what constitutes terrorism and when terrorism is imminent? Ok, the Home Affairs Minister now decides terrorism is everywhere, it is going to last forever, and so the legislation will “temporary forever”. How about it? Wish someone can write more clearly and logically.
#24 by I Malaysian on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 3:23 am
Dear YB Lim,
I am very thankful as an Indian and a fellow Malaysian on your call for the release of 5 Hindraf leaders. The continuous refusal of government to release the ISA detainees only show their ignorance of people’s sentiment. I hope your effort supported by all opposition and right minded MPs would succeed.
God Bless
#25 by sotong on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 6:57 am
With decades of unchecked religious extremism, ISA is more important now than before.
Our neighbour, Indonesia is struggling to fight religious extremism and fundamentalism.
#26 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 7:59 am
The suffering of family members of these detainees has never been highlighted. It is time the suffering of these silent victims be recognized. They are as much victims as the detainees themselves.
#27 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 8:11 am
Only a Pariah Parliament will refuse to censure a government that incarcerates its citizens to settle political scores. I am speaking of Zimbabwe, of course. Malaysians are not like that. Or are they? Let’s wait and see.
#28 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 8:17 am
I am not taking it too far out of context if I say that a Preacher must practise what he preaches!
“People’s Needs, Priorities Come First Than Party’s, Says Abdullah
KUALA LUMPUR, April 28 (Bernama) — The government will always give importance to the people’s problems and interests, …”
Take heed of the needs of the families of the Hindraf 5. They are victims of a brutish government.
#29 by Jimm on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 8:18 am
We have made our choice in GE12 over which government we preferred. We all know what we are eligible to vote on and vote for.
It’s normal for BN not to removed ISA as they need it for keeping ‘bad’ influence people off the public.
We, rakyat will again decide what ISA can be use for in the next GE13. We will make use of ISA for those BN clonies especially UMNO corrupted leaders. Let them taste their own medicine. FOr so long, rakyat can wait … we don’t mind waiting for another term for this changes.
No one is above the law. That;s Malaysian culture.
#30 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 8:26 am
///KS, please bring the murder case of Altantuya Shaariibuu all the way to the parliment and throw the questions into the face of the culprit/// – Dr. W
I share Dr W’s sentiments.
The problem is the sub judice rule.
The rule prevents reference being made in Parliamentary proceedings to cases which are active in the courts.
The rationale for the Rule : (1) to preserve proper relations between Parliament and courts. This is based on the principle of “comity”, whereby it is considered undesirable for Parliament to
act as an alternative forum to decide that which the court is in the process of deciding, it being undesirable that public get confused when Parliament and court – both central pillars of the Constitution of authority – arrive at different and divergent conclusions on the matter currently tried and (2) Parliament should not debate a matter that may prejudice and influence court’s judgment as it would prejudice the position of the person on trial.
Altantuya Shaariibuu’s father had alleged that two letters were sent by the Mongolian prime minister to Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi late last year and that Mongolia has threatened to break diplomatic ties with Malaysia over the murder trial of Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu.
Questions :
· Is it true 2 letters were sent?
· Is it true Mongolia has threatened to break diplomatic ties with Malaysia?
· If so upon what circumstances would Mongolia break diplomatic ties with Malaysia?
· What are the effects and repercussions of such a break of diplomatic ties?
I believe that these questions are matters of public importance worthy of parliamentary debate.
Though reference is made Altantuya Shaariibuu’s trial, yet it is only by way of reference in general terms in so far as necessary to debate the wider 4 general issues of public concern above outlined – and therefore not touching on immediate issues before the court regarding innocence or guilt or procedural conduct of trial – does not infringe the sub-judice rule, and therefore would be a fit and proper matter to be raised in Parliament.
#31 by limkamput on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 9:36 am
[deleted]
If ISA has judicial review, then it is not the ISA as we understand. I just wonder what this fellow is talking about.
Such a legislation (is it with judicial review or without judicial review?) to be temporary in nature? As long as terrorism remains a global threat? Who get to decide what constitutes terrorism and when terrorism is imminent? Ok, the Home Affairs Minister now decides terrorism is everywhere, it is going to last forever, and so the legislation will be “temporary forever”. How about it? Wish someone can write more clearly and logically.
#32 by oknyua on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 9:48 am
“I was emotional after learning about how the father of the murdered Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu was treated by the arrogant BN leaders this morning.” Dr W.
I concur YB Lim KS. People are angry not because the Mongolia is denied justice, but there is a clear plot to twist justice. It does not take a legal mind to see the prosecution and defence are using the same scripts.
I don’t know how you could this. My interest is to stop the degradation of our legal system to fit the lifestyles and greeds of the ruling administrative people. Malaysians believe in “Karma” and punishement after dead – but justice while we are still living is equally important. Be it the AG, the Police or even minister(s) in the case, let justice be brought against them.
#33 by oknyua on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:09 am
Jeffrey, reading Altantuya’s court proceeding reminded me of Dato’ Anwar’s trials. On one side there’s a long list of irrelevant and incomplete evidences put forward, while the pertinent questions were never followed. On the other side, we are helplessly watching the disintegration of the prosecution.
Parliament is not the place to decide on the outcome, but certainly YB Lim can highlight the frequent delays and postponements of this case. That itself cast doubts over the integrity of the investigating team. The 3 questions you mentioned are also issues that Abdullah need to answer and he failed to do likewise.
As I said, I don’t know how YB Lim can highlight this issue, but I trust his judgement and experience in this. I believe this is more than a trial of a Mongolian girl murdered.
#34 by NewDAP on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:12 am
The truth……..
The followings are the baseless allegations and demands by Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) to instigate hatred
-that the Government carried out ethnic cleansing of Indians.
-To ask Queen Elizabeth II to appoint a Queen’s Counsel to represent the Indian community in a class-action suit filed against the British government for bringing Indians as indentured labourers to the then Malaya and exploiting them.
-claims in the Hindraf memorandum that a Government-backed extremist group had destroyed a temple in Kampung Jawa, Klang, on Nov 15.
Thanks GOD and ISA for putting them into jail.
Malaysia still need ISA to protect fellow Malaysians from these trouble makers…….
They deserved to be locked up under ISA.
#35 by Evenmind on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:25 am
Yes , FREE h5 , get rid of ISA, and also highlight Altantuya’s case, cos at this stage they are just buying time , all the delays are heading for an acquittal , where is the judicial reforms , all’s farce as usual . kudismuddin stop the apology bullshit and just resign , you are a disgrace to the nation. Above all bring about Meritocracy as the intellect of the nations leaders is the biggest joke at this moment, wake up all.
#36 by Anak_Penang on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:40 am
All the Hindraf and other ISA detainees will be released if Pakatan Rakyat form the next government. Any genuine offences will be trialed in an open court. If that’s the case, who is your desired politician to be the next PM of Malaysia ? Vote now at sonofpenang.blogspot.com
#37 by shortie kiasu on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:47 am
ISA & OSA are oppressive laws that serve no other meaning purpose to the people than for the ruling parties to perpetuate dictatorialism and their abuse of power.
One day they will taste this bitter fruit when they lose their grip on power.
It is high time that they be repealed in a civil society.
The fact that Abullah’s ministers kept saying that the two draconian laws are still needed and relevant baffled us, Malaysian, as if the citizen here in this country is full of terrorists and extremists.
It is really a laughing stock to the world at large.
#38 by i_love_malaysia on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 10:51 am
YB Lim,
It is time to ask those BIG ULARS who had robbed the rakyat money to return the money back to the coffers of our beloved country (I hope it will not be robbed by another group of ULARS, as they belonged to the same gang!!!) or to individual EPF account holder or any other way that can benefit the rakyat.
These BIG ULARS were allocated millions of shares without justification when national companies were privatised in the name of privatisation. Instead of allocating the shares to the rakyat e.g. using their EPF money to subscripe the shares or other ways, these BIG ULARS made use of their positions to gain from the privatisation!!!
It is time to bring this up in the parliament just like the ISA detainees issue, least we forget about all these BIG ULARS that had makan our rakyat money without feeling shame and guilt!!!
Hope to hear from you soon on this issue!!!
#39 by NewDAP on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 11:01 am
if without ISA, these hindraf liars and instigators will cause another May 13. Thanks GOD, there is ISA, we can have proper peaceful GE and enjoy peace till today…….
ISA used against the Hindraf leaders is the right way of exercising ISA, well done ABB! that’s the very few right things he had done for our country.
ABB is not like dr mahatahi who uses ISA against politician.
ABB is a fair leader and allowed a fair GE and is not like dr mahatahi who always block, cheat or prevent a fair GE. That’s why it is very hard for opposition to win seats during dr mahatahi era…..not like now, with ABB, malaysia can really enjoy free, fair and peaceful GE….. well done ABB…
#40 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 11:14 am
“YB Lim can highlight this issue, but I trust his judgment and experience in this…” – oknyua
I agree. The case is a political and legal minefield that one who comments or raises issues has to tread carefully or risk blown off by C4! :)
Our whole administration of justice system is watched by the world and is on trial.
I think the public would want many issues raised in Parliament pertaining to just not conduct of the judicial proceedings relating to postponements and delays but also arguably certain controversial aspects of police investigation as well as prosecutorial conduct.
It is not necessary for me to specifically identify these issues here that could be read in other blogs including RPK’s Malaysia today.
The problem is defining the limits of sub judice rule balanced against Parliamentary privilege in respect of Freedom of Expression. In my last posting I have touched on certain questions, the raising of which is arguably not infringing that rule.
What is uncertain however is the raising of certain important other questions relating to police investigation as well as prosecutorial conduct, which may or may not – I am not certain here – constitute sub judice.
It is interesting to note that as far as Hindraf Five goes, nobody seems to be bothered abut sub judice in contrast to Altantuya’s case – why is this so???
I could be mistaken but as far as I know the ISA detention of the Hindraf was confirmed by High Court at end of last year, Karpal Singh appealed to Federal Court, made his submissions (I think AG too made his submissions around the first week of this month April) and the Federal Court hearing the appeal has not as yet delivered its decision.
So raising the issue of Hindraf 5 in Parliament could also technically be considered sub judice (ie influencing decision of Federal Court) but so far it has not been considered so as evinced by YB’s notice to Parliament to have an urgent debate for the release of the Hindraf Five but the same is not true for Altantuya’s issues.
I wonder why. I must have missed something important or different here that set Altantuya’s case apart from the Hundraf 5!
Having said that, there is yet another practical problem : who makes ruling under parliamentary standing Orders on whether a motion on issues related to Altantuya may be debated or not on grounds of sub judice?
It is the Speaker (Tan Sri Pandikar Amin Mulia) and yesterday both the deputy speaker positions went to BN’s Datuk Dr Wan Junaidi and Datyuk Ronald Kiandee – none from the Opposition camp!
So how???
#41 by oknyua on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 11:47 am
Let me complete the sentence I wrote earlier;
“The 3 questions you mentioned are also issues that Abdullah need to answer and he failed to do likewise.” To me, AAB himself is on trial.
#42 by Killer on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:07 pm
Wait a minute guys…
Why there is so much concern and urgency in closing the issue of Altantuya ?
There are hundreds if not thousands of cases that waiting to be heard in our courts. As such why should be prioritise this particular case when our own citizens have been waiting for years ? If you say this is of public interest, I would still disagree. There are many cases of even greater importance still waiting trials.
Why can’t Dr Shaariibuu wait for the law to take its course like every one else ? While he has my deep sympathies but he is not the only one who has lost a loved one.
By bringing this matter in the Parliament LKS will be accused of subverting the legal process and interfering in the work of the judiciary.
And please explain how do you hold AAB responsible for the delay in trial when when are clamouring for a separation of the executive and the judiciary ?
#43 by Killer on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:08 pm
“I was emotional after learning about how the father of the murdered Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu was treated by the arrogant BN leaders this morning.” Dr W.
Dr W, can you please explain your statement ?
#44 by i_love_malaysia on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 12:45 pm
“And please explain how do you hold AAB responsible for the delay in trial when when are clamouring for a separation of the executive and the judiciary ?” – Killer
AAB is fully responsible for the delay as he was the one who recommended the CJ and those under CJ, if they are not performing and incompetent, and as a result of that, all the cases are delayed etc. .Dont you think AAB should be responsible by now???
Please look at Singapore and other countries that have revamped their courts not in terms of physical buildings but the software side of it!!!! Time to change!!!
#45 by Rajesh78 on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 1:40 pm
Dear Uncle Lim,
Go for it!!
We as Malaysians Support you 110% for your efforts.
Give these BN jokers HELL!!
#46 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 1:59 pm
///If you say this is of public interest, I would still disagree. There are many cases of even greater importance still waiting trials/// – Killer.
Maybe you can shed some light on (1) which of the many cases are of even greater importance and (2) exactly why they are of even greater importance than Altantuya’s case.
#47 by oknyua on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 2:21 pm
I have been away from this blog for a few months and some familiar names are not around too – when this “killer” came in.
I read some of your postings around here, “killer.” I think I know where you come from, but all the same, welcome. As long our interactions are civil, it’s all right. I may stay longer this time around, except sometimes work lah, can’t read everything.
1. Dr. W comment is shared by me. Do you have any daughter, killer? The trial started last year, how far are they in the case?
2. Hundreds and thousands of cases – there you admitted it. Judges that don’t write judgement? Gov’t prosecutors postpone cases? It’s not a problem of today, so what? We just sit and watch?
3. Dr Shaarriibu is waiting for the law to take its course and he had been waiting and waiting. How long should he wait when the case had been postponed 3 or 3 times?
4. Why is AAB not answering the letters from PM of Mongolia – is this for the court to decide?
5. You mean there’s already separation between executive and judiciary? Thanks, I don’t know that.
#48 by Godfather on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 2:35 pm
The compelling reason is to do everything that we can to hasten the demise of the federal regime. There is not a day that goes by that doesn’t have news of a scandal unearthed somewhere in Bolehland.
The impasses between state governments and the federal government is another lesson for all of us – we can’t have opposition controlled state governments that can hope to work with the BN federal government. Worse, this also applies in Trengganu, where the BN chief minister wants control of oil revenues in opposition to his boss in Putrajaya. The longer these impasses go on, the worse the economy will be and we all go down the drain together. Except, of course, for the UMNOputras who will already have hedged their bets with their properties and bank accounts outside of Bolehland.
#49 by limkamput on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 3:52 pm
Ya, it is true that we simply do not have the culture to rise above party politics to work together for the betterment of Malaysia. It is preferred that PK takes over the Federal government as soon as possible provided the component parties have sufficient number of capable people to helm the numerous ministries, departments, statutory bodies, municipalities and GLCs etc. I shudder at the thinking that PK has to rely on the same old people from BN when they take over the Federal Government. If we want to change, let have the complete change – no piecemeal and no incremental.
#50 by Godfather on Tuesday, 29 April 2008 - 4:11 pm
Once their jobs are on the line, you will find that the civil service will fall in line and start working. It starts from the top, and we definitely have to change at the very top of the GLCs, civil service, municipalities. As to whether there are sufficient people to replace them, I think we could be surprised that there are lots of qualified people who will put up their hands.