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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nanyangavenger</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-100825</link>
		<dc:creator>nanyangavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;Yes indeed China was brutally attacked by Japan during the 2nd &#62;&#62;world war but they ran out of resources&#38; manpower to control &#62;&#62;China especially when they also attacked USA (Pearl Harbour).

During the Sino-Japan War 1937-1945, China absorbed most of the Japanese military onslaught (and huge resources) thus sparing the rest of Asia from a more brutal Japanese military machine.  The Japanese military boasted they would conquer the whole of China in 3 months; they needed 1 year just to take-over Shanghai city. This caused huge embarrassment to the Japanese military and boasted Chinese confidence and morale in fighting off the invaders.  Both Chinese Nationalists and Communists armies (with material assistance from US &#38; USSR) ultimately triumphed over the Japanese invaders by denying them the full occupation of all Chinese territory.  Japan ran out of resources not because of Pearl harbour attack but due to their military campaign against China (and
their misjudgement of the Chinese people's fighting spirit).

&#62;&#62;Had the West combined their resources &#38; attacked China instead &#62;&#62;of fighting each other, can you imagine what would have been &#62;&#62;the out come for China?Can you imagine how long China would fall under the combined control of the western 8 colonial powers? It is in this sense that China was spared.


During the late 19th century, the combined Western military forces attacked the Qing Dynasty government with gunboats and legions of armies,  ransacking and looting the Chinese imperial palace city; even burnt down one of the wonders of the world, the Qing Dynasty Imperial Garden.   At the end of Qing Dynasty period where China was in her weakest state (also named 'Sickman of Asia' by Japan)  she was however never conquered by any Western powers or Japan.  


&#62;A small group Mongolians in the 13th century had managed to &#62;control China a formed the Yuan dynasty for hundreds of years, &#62;the same with a small group of Manchurians (Chin Dynasty in 17th &#62;century). 

The 'small' group of Mongolians was also knows as 'the Horde' also conquered most of Europe &#38; Central Asia during the same period. Yuan dynasty lasted only 97 years (1271-1368); not hundreds of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Yes indeed China was brutally attacked by Japan during the 2nd &gt;&gt;world war but they ran out of resources&amp; manpower to control &gt;&gt;China especially when they also attacked USA (Pearl Harbour).</p>
<p>During the Sino-Japan War 1937-1945, China absorbed most of the Japanese military onslaught (and huge resources) thus sparing the rest of Asia from a more brutal Japanese military machine.  The Japanese military boasted they would conquer the whole of China in 3 months; they needed 1 year just to take-over Shanghai city. This caused huge embarrassment to the Japanese military and boasted Chinese confidence and morale in fighting off the invaders.  Both Chinese Nationalists and Communists armies (with material assistance from US &amp; USSR) ultimately triumphed over the Japanese invaders by denying them the full occupation of all Chinese territory.  Japan ran out of resources not because of Pearl harbour attack but due to their military campaign against China (and<br />
their misjudgement of the Chinese people&#8217;s fighting spirit).</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Had the West combined their resources &amp; attacked China instead &gt;&gt;of fighting each other, can you imagine what would have been &gt;&gt;the out come for China?Can you imagine how long China would fall under the combined control of the western 8 colonial powers? It is in this sense that China was spared.</p>
<p>During the late 19th century, the combined Western military forces attacked the Qing Dynasty government with gunboats and legions of armies,  ransacking and looting the Chinese imperial palace city; even burnt down one of the wonders of the world, the Qing Dynasty Imperial Garden.   At the end of Qing Dynasty period where China was in her weakest state (also named &#8216;Sickman of Asia&#8217; by Japan)  she was however never conquered by any Western powers or Japan.  </p>
<p>&gt;A small group Mongolians in the 13th century had managed to &gt;control China a formed the Yuan dynasty for hundreds of years, &gt;the same with a small group of Manchurians (Chin Dynasty in 17th &gt;century). </p>
<p>The &#8217;small&#8217; group of Mongolians was also knows as &#8216;the Horde&#8217; also conquered most of Europe &amp; Central Asia during the same period. Yuan dynasty lasted only 97 years (1271-1368); not hundreds of years.</p>
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		<title>By: waterfrontcoolie</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-100164</link>
		<dc:creator>waterfrontcoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sent a mail which said a German Foundation funded by the German Foreign Ministry working with an US undersecretary of State are the main culprits behind all these upheavals. Obviously many of these whites have nothing better to do. They prefer the majority of the Tibetans to be slaves under the Lamas!
To those who demand 'democracy' for those starving Chinese in China, please go over there and ask them their preference before you decide for them!
Please tell me, in which country today, everyone has been treated equally? Just look at our environment! US? Germany? Britain? France? B&#62;&#62;&#62;s! It is easy to pass comments on others. just try to ensure 1.3 BILLION stomachs got enough to eat! India has been trumpeted by the West as a Model! Just look at their bottom 20% of the population! Yes, they enjoy democracy!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sent a mail which said a German Foundation funded by the German Foreign Ministry working with an US undersecretary of State are the main culprits behind all these upheavals. Obviously many of these whites have nothing better to do. They prefer the majority of the Tibetans to be slaves under the Lamas!<br />
To those who demand &#8216;democracy&#8217; for those starving Chinese in China, please go over there and ask them their preference before you decide for them!<br />
Please tell me, in which country today, everyone has been treated equally? Just look at our environment! US? Germany? Britain? France? B&gt;&gt;&gt;s! It is easy to pass comments on others. just try to ensure 1.3 BILLION stomachs got enough to eat! India has been trumpeted by the West as a Model! Just look at their bottom 20% of the population! Yes, they enjoy democracy!!</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-100003</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lajiman, 
I agree with you totally. I think most like to suck up to China nowadays - for political support, economic opportunity and even parochial and chauvinistic reasons, etc.  

What k1980 said is nice to hear, but we Asians, particularly China must critically look at ourselves.  Our development model is so exploitative, unethical and damaging to environment.  If the West has done all these before, please bear in mind that they are not our teachers.  

Please don't follow the illogic of Mahathir also, i.e if the West were colonial masters before, today they can not condemn violation of human rights. That to me is a stupid argument constantly put forward by third world tribal leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lajiman,<br />
I agree with you totally. I think most like to suck up to China nowadays - for political support, economic opportunity and even parochial and chauvinistic reasons, etc.  </p>
<p>What k1980 said is nice to hear, but we Asians, particularly China must critically look at ourselves.  Our development model is so exploitative, unethical and damaging to environment.  If the West has done all these before, please bear in mind that they are not our teachers.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t follow the illogic of Mahathir also, i.e if the West were colonial masters before, today they can not condemn violation of human rights. That to me is a stupid argument constantly put forward by third world tribal leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-99998</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social problems are an issue in China, do u know for a merely less than RM 500 i can be served like an emperor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social problems are an issue in China, do u know for a merely less than RM 500 i can be served like an emperor.</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/// lopez Says: 
Yesterday at 06: 40.38 
The author should shut her mouth about things china, in fact who can say they know or understand chinese or china, what one read or gather information from someone who claim they know china have to come from some source and ….in the so called western world more precisely western influenced.

Dont interfere with things chinese, it has nothing concerning her.
Dont cross the line, it is the chinese peoples affairs. ///

Lopez, last I check Dr Noor is a male. And he probably knows more about China and Civilisation (in more ways than one) than you and I.  

At least Dr Noow knows what he is talking, instead of someone who is uncivilised and can't even get the gender right.

/// Dr. Noor's teaching credits include the Centre for Civilisational Dialogue, University of Malaya and the Institute for Islamic Studies, Frie University of Berlin. ///</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/// lopez Says:<br />
Yesterday at 06: 40.38<br />
The author should shut her mouth about things china, in fact who can say they know or understand chinese or china, what one read or gather information from someone who claim they know china have to come from some source and ….in the so called western world more precisely western influenced.</p>
<p>Dont interfere with things chinese, it has nothing concerning her.<br />
Dont cross the line, it is the chinese peoples affairs. ///</p>
<p>Lopez, last I check Dr Noor is a male. And he probably knows more about China and Civilisation (in more ways than one) than you and I.  </p>
<p>At least Dr Noow knows what he is talking, instead of someone who is uncivilised and can&#8217;t even get the gender right.</p>
<p>/// Dr. Noor&#8217;s teaching credits include the Centre for Civilisational Dialogue, University of Malaya and the Institute for Islamic Studies, Frie University of Berlin. ///</p>
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		<title>By: ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-99988</link>
		<dc:creator>ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undegrad2.

you are a great guy. man. 

so some martians have an interest in Malaysia politics. haha.
anyway, you are cool man. my respect to you. you must have graduated and i will have to address as doctor than.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undegrad2.</p>
<p>you are a great guy. man. </p>
<p>so some martians have an interest in Malaysia politics. haha.<br />
anyway, you are cool man. my respect to you. you must have graduated and i will have to address as doctor than.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-99965</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...this is not a long posting, it’s a strange posting." ADAM

It is not a strange posting! It is a posting by an illegal alien and in a language unknown to man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;this is not a long posting, it’s a strange posting.&#8221; ADAM</p>
<p>It is not a strange posting! It is a posting by an illegal alien and in a language unknown to man.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-99963</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the hypocrites around the world:-

When we were the Sick Man of Asia, we were called The Yellow Peril. When we are billed to be the next Superpower, we are called The Threat. 
When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets. When we embrace Free Trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs. 
When we were falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share. 
When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again, Free Tibet you screamed, it Was an Invasion! 
When we tried Communism, you hated us for being Communist. 
When we embrace Capitalism, you hate us for being Capitalist. 
When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet. 
When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights. 
When we were poor, you thought we were dogs. 
When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts. 
When we build our industries, you call us Polluters. 
When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming. 
When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide. 
When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation. 
When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law. 
When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights. 
When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech. When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed-xenophobics. 
Why do you hate us so much, we asked. No, you answered, we don't hate you. We don't hate you either, But, do you understand us? Of course we do, you said, We have AFP, CNN and BBC's... 
What do you really want from us? Think hard first, then answer... Because you only get so many chances. Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for This One World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the hypocrites around the world:-</p>
<p>When we were the Sick Man of Asia, we were called The Yellow Peril. When we are billed to be the next Superpower, we are called The Threat.<br />
When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets. When we embrace Free Trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.<br />
When we were falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.<br />
When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again, Free Tibet you screamed, it Was an Invasion!<br />
When we tried Communism, you hated us for being Communist.<br />
When we embrace Capitalism, you hate us for being Capitalist.<br />
When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.<br />
When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.<br />
When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.<br />
When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.<br />
When we build our industries, you call us Polluters.<br />
When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.<br />
When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.<br />
When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.<br />
When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.<br />
When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights.<br />
When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech. When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed-xenophobics.<br />
Why do you hate us so much, we asked. No, you answered, we don&#8217;t hate you. We don&#8217;t hate you either, But, do you understand us? Of course we do, you said, We have AFP, CNN and BBC&#8217;s&#8230;<br />
What do you really want from us? Think hard first, then answer&#8230; Because you only get so many chances. Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for This One World.</p>
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		<title>By: lajiman</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/23/china-bashing-season-has-begun/#comment-99952</link>
		<dc:creator>lajiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a world where dogs eat dogs. even some people have selective morality when addressing issues. while islam bashing is a free for all, demonising china is well...a conspiracy. What we should do is look at specific issues at judge them on their on merits. If malays discriminate other ethnics in malaysia is factual(which i believe it is) then we strive to resolve the issue. If the tibet issue demands that china leave tibet why not. The point is we all want the self determination to chart our own future. 

From what i have read from so many blogs and comments made i can sense the parochialism in discussing issues. Like i said while islam is subject to bashing by all sides, including by the self-professed moralists, but when it comes to tibetans self determination all kinds of "intelectual" excuses crops up, which i can surmise from which quarters. 

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a world where dogs eat dogs. even some people have selective morality when addressing issues. while islam bashing is a free for all, demonising china is well&#8230;a conspiracy. What we should do is look at specific issues at judge them on their on merits. If malays discriminate other ethnics in malaysia is factual(which i believe it is) then we strive to resolve the issue. If the tibet issue demands that china leave tibet why not. The point is we all want the self determination to chart our own future. </p>
<p>From what i have read from so many blogs and comments made i can sense the parochialism in discussing issues. Like i said while islam is subject to bashing by all sides, including by the self-professed moralists, but when it comes to tibetans self determination all kinds of &#8220;intelectual&#8221; excuses crops up, which i can surmise from which quarters. </p>
<p>cheers</p>
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