“Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.”

“The MCAC must possess high-quality officers and equipments. The Prime Minister has made an announcement to add 5000 officers to its existing 2000 officers over the next five years. These officers must be experts in various fields and they must possess certain powers to effectively carry out their tasks. For example, there are accountants, engineers, IT professionals and technicians in ICAC of Hong Kong. These people are in fact the biggest capital of the ICAC.” Sin Chew

The 18 big fish said to have escaped the net did not escape due to lack of human resource or its quality. They ‘escaped’ due to the lack of political will. Period. The best brains in the business would not make a difference.

LOL.

OK. Let’s leave Moses alone.

I did not say it could be resolved in any way! I was suggesting a reason for the rot, if you will, that had set in when BN was in control.

Many of the government servants now working under a political party once in the opposition, must be finding it difficult to adjust.

We are not having an argument here! I am with you all the way! Just fine tuning on some of the things you said.

I’m certainly not trying to win converts!

In the United States, charges are “pressed by the victim” and could be withdrawn. If they are withdrawn, the complainant theoretically speaking could, under some circumstances, be prosecuted for filing a false police report if that is shown to be the case.

(But I guess this is the wrong thread to discuss abuse of the legal system and Jeffrey QC posted it here to get the attention of a particular reader. Wonder who that may be?)

The doctrine of civil service neutrality is what it says it is i.e. a doctrine - a stated principle of government policy.

You cannot blame Moses who appeared at the foot of the mountain some 2,000 years ago with a stone tablet in hand with the Ten Commandments inscribed by the hand of God. It is said that ‘conscience’ is God’s presence in Man but wasn’t it the serpent who worked through Eve to get to Adam who disobeyed God’s command and committed the first Sin?

I’m not sure I understand the context of the ‘incident’ but you must have heard of what has become a cliché i.e. justice must not only be done but be seen to be done.

If you have a judge presiding over a case and he is related to one of the litigants or he is personally acquainted to one of the litigants however casual or remote that relationship may be, he is under duty to recuse himself from the case. The practice is not intended to cast aspersions on the character and integrity of the judge or judges. It has everything to do with the need for justice to be seen to be done and not just done. Perception is reality in this case.

I’m curious as to how that ties in with the doctrine of civil service neutrality.

I think it will help us to understand the problem better if we talk less in abstract terms, less in terms of concepts and doctrines etc and deal with the socio-economic impact that violation or the non-adherence to this policy has on economic development.

Under the previous BN administration, we see for example, Chinese dominated areas or constituencies being ignored, starved of funds leading to economic neglect of the area. Roads are not being repaired, public amenities are poor etc. presumably to punish residents for voting for the opposition during elections or simply because of the population demographics of the area. For example, it is a ‘Chinese area’ and not a ‘Malay and Muslim area’ – civil service being predominantly Malay and supporters of the UMNO dominated BN.

Had the doctrine of civil service neutrality been observed, don’t you think this type of situation is less likely to happen? To be sure it will happen in any case because we can all agree there is no such thing as a completely independent civil service free from political interference. Economic development could be happening on an accelerated scale because a Minister has his house in the area or a director-general or his deputy make their homes there. So let’s be clear about that.

But at least you will not see this systematic denial, deprivation and economic neglect of the area whose residents had voted for the opposition at the last election. There is just the desire to develop the area irrespective of who they support, their political affiliations and race etc.

It is not about reliance on some artificial doctrine and expecting it ‘to work’ or about trust and faith in good human nature. It is about not following a doctrine, not having the kind of work culture which would have helped to avoid or minimize political interference in the functioning of the civil service – and the waste and imbalances, irregularities and anomalies and inequities that this brings. Not to mention whole populations are being alienated as a result of political decisions or politically motivated decisions.

“Its like malaysiakini, it started with english medium,than onto chinese and malay to cater for the masses. and this is merely a suggestion. because the PERCEPTION is still dap is chinese party.”

The DAP founder is a chinese, but to date, many DAP leaders are Indian lawyer. The chinese leader can’t converse mandarin and Indian lawyer can’t converse tamil to each other, hence, they must used a standardised mean to converse, that’s English.

I applaud ur intention to set high standards as yardstick.What u advocate seems to be ideal situations similar to the
“perfect market” as mentioned by lots of economist. While it’s ok to aim for the highest standard attainable,it’s an overstatement to say that by using that high std as a model,in reality and practically, there wouldn’t be any problems. U may be right in ur statement quoted above but in reality does it work?
I beg to differ because to rely on that doctrine solely n expect it to work is to place too much trust n faith in humans to be able to be thoroughly neutral at all times in all situations n calling perfect shots. How would ur doctrine operate in real life? It’s incredibly hard if not near impossible to serve two masters. Here,we’re talking bout one man,Datuk Lee,let alone the whole institution,department or nation. This is because a political party,assuming it operates without mala fide to enrich their own members,etc,would or may hv different objectives,goals and priorities compared to other parties.
Therefore if a man who is not patently disinterested while serving under two political parties may well find that the priorities of both parties may clash.Even if both priorities are valid and for the furtherance of nation development,it’s still a clash nevertheless.In situation like this,it’s hard for him/her to make a balanced n appropriate decision without the risk of appearing disloyal to one party.
The other option for the man with his feet in two boats is to really retire fr active politics while serving the state govt.Even this may sound pointless or hypocritic.Coz once u join a political party,ur supposedly pledged to commit urself in supporting the party’s ideals,objectives,etc.But in order to appear neutral u then hv to be really non-active or dormant, if that’s the case one may as well quit n concentrate on his job as a civil servant,serving only one master.

jj.

Saravanan announced last week on the sidelines of the ministry’s roundtable forum with KL MPs that City Hall had to take immediate action on foreign workers there following Wangsa Maju MP Wee Choo Keong’s allegations.

However, when he visited the tourist destination at about 6pm, foreign workers were nowhere in sight, including the supposedly legitimate ones.

With him were Bukit Bintang MP Fong Kui Lun, Kuala Lumpur Hawkers and Petty Traders Association vice-president Datuk Ang Say Tee and Bukit Bintang MCA division chairman Datuk Dr Lee Chong Meng.

“I came here because an MP who is not from Bukit Bintang said Chinatown had turned into a Bangladeshi town.

“We’re very concerned but, so far, it looks all right,” he said after visiting all the stalls and the City Hall CCTV control room in the area.

“I didn’t see any illegal traders, I don’t even know what’s illegal here,” he added.

He also asked Fong if he had seen any illegal workers, to which Fong answered, “No, not today.”

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This is Conspiracy at the top, these VIPs together with the star trying to cover up or bluff most malaysians and to make wee’s allegation is not true.

Those who have been to PS will know that most of the time PS is full of bangladeshi operating stalls over there…. PS is like little Dhaka… bcoz city hall is closing one eye on this issue….
only the traders wlecome those illegal bangladeshi, most malaysians and KL or PS’s residents can not and do not want those bangladeshi at PS or maning stalls at KL or PS. But city hall chooses to help those traders by closing one eye….

Chow Kit is still full of Indo and is still a little Jakarta, city hall closed one eye as well???

So it looks like BN executive has the absolute power to control all machineries of government in the legislature, executive and the judiciary!!!

Had the doctrine of civil service neutrality been observed and not violated, there would not be this problem today.

Why is the head of the ACA, a civil servant, being required to obtain the prior approval of the Prime Minister before he could prosecute a civil servant for corruption?

The head of the ACA needs only to satisfy himself as to the veracity of the evidence available to the ACA at the time i.e. whether there is a prima facie case against the alleged perpetrator of the crime of corruption and whether the case is strong enough to meet the standard required at the preliminary hearing. If at all the head of the ACA should be working together with the country’s Attorney General – another civil servant. The Attorney General in turn should only concern himself with the evidence that police investigation has revealed, and the case should be allowed to go to trial based solely on the strength and weight of the evidence and not some extraneous reasons.

I think the states under PK must quickly form a united front to deal with the Federal Government. They must support each other and speak in one voice. For example, Selangor, Perak, Kedah and Kelantan must support Penang’s tussle with Federal Government over the bridge. Penang, in turn, must support important projects of other states under PK.

I maintain that civil service neutrality can not be sustained on its own. It needs nurturing and tacit approval of political leadership. So the best bet is to have a system that is able to identify, nurture and appoint people of integrity for political leadership. If we look at Singapore, for example, do they really have civil service neutrality there? I don’t think the various institutions of government are very strong and independent in Singapore. But they do have an elaborate system to scout and groom people with potential (both in terms of knowledge, skill and values) for positions of importance in Government. One of the Singapore’s minister (Teh something) committed suicide in the 80s just before he was about to be charged for corruption. I think Lee Kuan Yew said no deal when he went to see him.

The success of that cover-up(including the murder of a bank auditor) spawned all the crooks who quickly learned the ropes with the absence of a strong ACA.

Not an issue of being pro-BN but an issue of being pro-anything political.

There is little understanding, if any, of the importance of civil service neutrality. Our civil service has functioned nothing less than as an appendage of the machinery of the political party that runs it –and it is wrong. It is wrong because it is not supposed to be that way in a country that has free elections once every five years which may result in a different political party running it.

The reality is it has been that way for decades since Mahathir blurred the lines the way he blurred the lines separating the executive from the judiciary.

It is not surprising that the DAP is facing this problem in Penang. How it manages the problem is important and it is not going to be easy to change attitudes which took decades to take roots.

Not so much an issue of resources or lack of it, but more a question of will (the lack of faith in the rule of law) and political interference (the consequence of non-compliance with the doctrine of civil service neutrality). Resources, of course, is important.

Let’s not confuse action with reaction. But whatever it is, it is certainly not a question of being ready on day one!

If there was no change in government in Korea, with the same administration in place for 20 - 30 years, then the enforcement agencies stand to be corrupted by those in power. In Bolehland, the same system being in place for the past 50 years meant that everyone doing business is connected somewhere, somehow, to those in government, which meant that they have become “untouchable”. The only effective system against the rise of the untouchables would be a change in government every 5 - 10 years.

btw, the one generation include malays and non malays too. when maths and science, ie physic, biology and chemistry in bm. not sure about the arts stream.

Thanks for the information. well, if thats true, what Malaysia lack is the courage and will power to act on those well connected corrupted. Interesting to know how their corruption agencies work, if even tycoons are jailed. any answers godfather ?

Bahasa malaysia is quite relevant in our country Malaysia. if you remember, one whole generation miss out on quality english education. any many could only write and read BM well.

Being realistic, if dap is to win the hearts and minds of malays electorates, what better way than to use their language. Certainly, dap cannot depend solely on pkr and pas to spread the alternative news that blogslimkitsiang provides, and also the many constructive comments.

Its like malaysiakini, it started with english medium,than onto chinese and malay to cater for the masses. and this is merely a suggestion. because the PERCEPTION is still dap is chinese party.

If it is good , no harm trying,especially the young malays generation. and i dont dispute that english is international language, but somehow, it works with the raayat.

sorry i digress again.
terima kasih.

i think hyundai boss was also charged before.not too sure.

now that the 12th general election is over, DAP must also be relevant to malays and those who are fluent in bahasa malaysia.

maybe, you can have a dual language blog. because many malay friends of mine may like to comment.

just a suggestion.

if the punishment is merely a fine or a short term jail, like the mat rempit, no one really fear. follow icac hongkong, but follow china in death execution.