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	<title>Comments on: PM&#8217;s judicial reform speech - disappointing</title>
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		<title>By: 5 DAP MPs did not submit a single question for Parliament - apologies</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 DAP MPs did not submit a single question for Parliament - apologies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was taken aback when Chong Zemin put up the post that a blog had disclosed that there are 29 MPs who did not submit a question for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99378</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R u sick, Tun Dr. Mahathir already draw a very clear line that he bow to no one, even the govt. now believe that Tun Dr. Mahathir shud be responsible to apologize, the current govt. was just there to acknowledge the past mistakes but did not admit the mistakes as it was performed and done by Tun Dr. Mahathir not the current govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R u sick, Tun Dr. Mahathir already draw a very clear line that he bow to no one, even the govt. now believe that Tun Dr. Mahathir shud be responsible to apologize, the current govt. was just there to acknowledge the past mistakes but did not admit the mistakes as it was performed and done by Tun Dr. Mahathir not the current govt.</p>
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		<title>By: i_love_malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99295</link>
		<dc:creator>i_love_malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very easy for AAB and his gangs to govn our country - just pay those were wronged by them by using our money, taxpayers’ money!!! I propose to opposition to ask AAB or any one who suggest to compensate any one by first saying sorry to the rakyat for their mis-management of our country!!! Time to change!!! else we will become a bankrupt country before the next election due to compensation using taxpayers' money!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very easy for AAB and his gangs to govn our country - just pay those were wronged by them by using our money, taxpayers’ money!!! I propose to opposition to ask AAB or any one who suggest to compensate any one by first saying sorry to the rakyat for their mis-management of our country!!! Time to change!!! else we will become a bankrupt country before the next election due to compensation using taxpayers&#8217; money!!!</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99212</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see for yourself  how my mom is so impressed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see for yourself  how my mom is so impressed!</p>
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		<title>By: Jong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha, this must be your favourite video on youtube!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha, this must be your favourite video on youtube!  <img src='http://blog.limkitsiang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99080</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I would propose that Tun M be made to personally compensate these judges for their monetary losses with an appropriate ex-gratia as damages for all their sufferings over and above the apology." HORNBILL




That's the point. The ex gratia payment is not an apology, not an admission of any wrongdoing but just an acknowledgement of the personal sacrifice and suffering of the judges who were removed before the end of their tenure. How convenient.




If this were to be treated like an ordinary wrongful dismissal case, then the plaintiffs are entitled to monetary compensation not less than their last drawn salary multiply by the remaining years of service. That is only loss of earnings. With general and special damages and punitive damages the quantum would be way in excess of a few million ringgits.




The BN government must have taken legal advice and advised not to muddy the water  by going so far as to admit to anything. Hence the “ex gratia” and the “no apology” position.


And that's why Tun M is screaming "You can't touch me" in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would propose that Tun M be made to personally compensate these judges for their monetary losses with an appropriate ex-gratia as damages for all their sufferings over and above the apology.&#8221; HORNBILL</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point. The ex gratia payment is not an apology, not an admission of any wrongdoing but just an acknowledgement of the personal sacrifice and suffering of the judges who were removed before the end of their tenure. How convenient.</p>
<p>If this were to be treated like an ordinary wrongful dismissal case, then the plaintiffs are entitled to monetary compensation not less than their last drawn salary multiply by the remaining years of service. That is only loss of earnings. With general and special damages and punitive damages the quantum would be way in excess of a few million ringgits.</p>
<p>The BN government must have taken legal advice and advised not to muddy the water  by going so far as to admit to anything. Hence the “ex gratia” and the “no apology” position.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why Tun M is screaming &#8220;You can&#8217;t touch me&#8221; in this video.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99064</link>
		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED HORNBILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stevchew Says: 

"April 18th, 2008 (2 days ago) at 13: 04.50 
Although it is short of an apology, this is already a big slap to the face of TUN."

Hello, I think the Tun deserves more than a big slap. He should be made to kow-tow ('apologise') to theose judges he abused. And why should taxpayers' money be made to pay those judges for what is basically the fault of one man, Tun M. I would propose that Tun M be made to personally compensate these judges for their monetary losses with an appropriate ex-gratia as damges for all their sufferings over and above the apology.</description>
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<p>&#8220;April 18th, 2008 (2 days ago) at 13: 04.50<br />
Although it is short of an apology, this is already a big slap to the face of TUN.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hello, I think the Tun deserves more than a big slap. He should be made to kow-tow (&#8217;apologise&#8217;) to theose judges he abused. And why should taxpayers&#8217; money be made to pay those judges for what is basically the fault of one man, Tun M. I would propose that Tun M be made to personally compensate these judges for their monetary losses with an appropriate ex-gratia as damges for all their sufferings over and above the apology.</p>
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		<title>By: alberttye</title>
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		<dc:creator>alberttye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdullah seems unable or unwilling to shake off the Umno warlords surrounding him.
He seems very spontaneous to criticize when the matter involves DAP or Hindraf or other less privileged communities.
He may be a nice guy but that's it !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdullah seems unable or unwilling to shake off the Umno warlords surrounding him.<br />
He seems very spontaneous to criticize when the matter involves DAP or Hindraf or other less privileged communities.<br />
He may be a nice guy but that&#8217;s it !</p>
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		<title>By: kickbutt</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/18/pms-judicial-reform-speech-disappointing/comment-page-3/#comment-99012</link>
		<dc:creator>kickbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM's judicial reform speech is not judicious. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM&#8217;s judicial reform speech is not judicious. Period.</p>
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