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	<title>Comments on: So Is Islam Hadari To Be Enforced By Whipping Now?</title>
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		<title>By: For Malaysia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/04/so-is-islam-hadari-to-be-enforced-by-whipping-now/comment-page-2/#comment-126918</link>
		<dc:creator>For Malaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farish Noor, your article has attracted unkind words to be uttered against Islam by idiots who does not understand the religion at all. And you are keeping quiet. You owe an indepth explanation to make an idiot like harrisonbinhansome; I am all for a fair Malaysia for all Malaysian irrespective of creed, color or religion but I am not 'selling' my faith and religion for it. I am a Muslim and I am not condemning other teachings; to my non-Muslims Malaysian, your religion is yours and mine is mine. Farish, if you say you are consumed by anger because of those things that you had written, my question to you is, are you feeling the same with these silly and disparaging remarks made by these idiots? I certainly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farish Noor, your article has attracted unkind words to be uttered against Islam by idiots who does not understand the religion at all. And you are keeping quiet. You owe an indepth explanation to make an idiot like harrisonbinhansome; I am all for a fair Malaysia for all Malaysian irrespective of creed, color or religion but I am not &#8217;selling&#8217; my faith and religion for it. I am a Muslim and I am not condemning other teachings; to my non-Muslims Malaysian, your religion is yours and mine is mine. Farish, if you say you are consumed by anger because of those things that you had written, my question to you is, are you feeling the same with these silly and disparaging remarks made by these idiots? I certainly do.</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/04/so-is-islam-hadari-to-be-enforced-by-whipping-now/comment-page-2/#comment-97049</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I'm a malay muslim, i can rape the victims as long as i'm in a secluded area? e.g. palm estates or abandon house (frequently heard in news) if there are no 4 witness mean one is eligible to rape? Is wives abuse allowed, the wives has no one to turn to, they are afraid to voice up as females are consider minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m a malay muslim, i can rape the victims as long as i&#8217;m in a secluded area? e.g. palm estates or abandon house (frequently heard in news) if there are no 4 witness mean one is eligible to rape? Is wives abuse allowed, the wives has no one to turn to, they are afraid to voice up as females are consider minority.</p>
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		<title>By: yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under syariah law, rape victims must have 4 witnesses to the crime, failing which the victim will either be punished for either false accusation or khalwat or both. If the victim or the perpetrator happens to be married, then she will be charged with adultery and stoned to death. Proponents of the islamic state had better think again before opening their loud mouths, either that or pray hard that they do not themselves become crime victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under syariah law, rape victims must have 4 witnesses to the crime, failing which the victim will either be punished for either false accusation or khalwat or both. If the victim or the perpetrator happens to be married, then she will be charged with adultery and stoned to death. Proponents of the islamic state had better think again before opening their loud mouths, either that or pray hard that they do not themselves become crime victims.</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/04/so-is-islam-hadari-to-be-enforced-by-whipping-now/comment-page-2/#comment-96902</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With this law, Muslim females become a slaves they have to serve their husband and give birth, allowed their husband to torture them, they have to tolerate it because they are very shy or not dare to report police. Female don't get a chance to expose themselves, this make them shy and scared to tell as there is no help from other male friends, and relatives.

If a malay muslim has just been raped she shouted for help, but all non-muslim scared to help her because she is naked, maybe will invite trouble that mean, all malay muslim females are vulnerable to rape as when that happen non muslims dare not come close to help them.

Gender separation within a family is evil, a family should be united not separated, brother &#38; sisters, father &#38; mother. If living a life separated then why we must have a family in the first place? I find that separation is very easy, just have to send sms not "Talak" then it is consider legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this law, Muslim females become a slaves they have to serve their husband and give birth, allowed their husband to torture them, they have to tolerate it because they are very shy or not dare to report police. Female don&#8217;t get a chance to expose themselves, this make them shy and scared to tell as there is no help from other male friends, and relatives.</p>
<p>If a malay muslim has just been raped she shouted for help, but all non-muslim scared to help her because she is naked, maybe will invite trouble that mean, all malay muslim females are vulnerable to rape as when that happen non muslims dare not come close to help them.</p>
<p>Gender separation within a family is evil, a family should be united not separated, brother &amp; sisters, father &amp; mother. If living a life separated then why we must have a family in the first place? I find that separation is very easy, just have to send sms not &#8220;Talak&#8221; then it is consider legal.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on soo</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/04/so-is-islam-hadari-to-be-enforced-by-whipping-now/comment-page-2/#comment-96670</link>
		<dc:creator>cheng on soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with this khalwat law, a man can be wronged for carrying his sick or injured sisters / daughters / nieces / mother / aunties on his back to seek medical help. 
Likewise, a woman carry her son / nephew / brother / uncle, etc
So is this a good or sensible law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with this khalwat law, a man can be wronged for carrying his sick or injured sisters / daughters / nieces / mother / aunties on his back to seek medical help.<br />
Likewise, a woman carry her son / nephew / brother / uncle, etc<br />
So is this a good or sensible law?</p>
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		<title>By: Cinapek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinapek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"..But it is in the ranks of UMNO and the UMNO-led institutions of the state that we see the mental quagmire of the elite at its worst. IKIM and the Shariah Judiciary Department are both institutions that were created under the auspices of the UMNO-led government. "

"...Malaysians are excessively deferential to their leaders, rarely challenging or even criticizing "

The first statement and the second from Dr Bakri Musa's article best summarises the root of the problem and the solution.

These organizations (IKIM, Jakim, Shariah Judiciary Dept etc)  are populated with sick extremist minds that tries to justify their relevance by proposing dangerous and extreme laws that infringes the rights of non Muslims as well as to portray themselves as the defenders of the Islamic faith. And the very people who could correct all these, UMNO, covertly encourages them by their silence. 

UMNO deserves their whipping in the latest elections as they failed to see that even many Muslims themselves abhors such cruel punishments as whipping, much less impose these Islamic laws and punishments on non muslims. 

If UMNO fails to understand this and do the right thing, they will become extinct in the next GE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..But it is in the ranks of UMNO and the UMNO-led institutions of the state that we see the mental quagmire of the elite at its worst. IKIM and the Shariah Judiciary Department are both institutions that were created under the auspices of the UMNO-led government. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Malaysians are excessively deferential to their leaders, rarely challenging or even criticizing &#8221;</p>
<p>The first statement and the second from Dr Bakri Musa&#8217;s article best summarises the root of the problem and the solution.</p>
<p>These organizations (IKIM, Jakim, Shariah Judiciary Dept etc)  are populated with sick extremist minds that tries to justify their relevance by proposing dangerous and extreme laws that infringes the rights of non Muslims as well as to portray themselves as the defenders of the Islamic faith. And the very people who could correct all these, UMNO, covertly encourages them by their silence. </p>
<p>UMNO deserves their whipping in the latest elections as they failed to see that even many Muslims themselves abhors such cruel punishments as whipping, much less impose these Islamic laws and punishments on non muslims. </p>
<p>If UMNO fails to understand this and do the right thing, they will become extinct in the next GE.</p>
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		<title>By: 318</title>
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		<dc:creator>318</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right ktteokt. My brother was going into relationship with a Malay girl a few years ago. My family was against this relationship unless no change of religion on both side. To our surprise this girl willing to leave her religion even objection from her family. We did tell her even she did that, how about our government? In the end they ended the relationship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right ktteokt. My brother was going into relationship with a Malay girl a few years ago. My family was against this relationship unless no change of religion on both side. To our surprise this girl willing to leave her religion even objection from her family. We did tell her even she did that, how about our government? In the end they ended the relationship</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/04/04/so-is-islam-hadari-to-be-enforced-by-whipping-now/comment-page-2/#comment-96553</link>
		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can a Malay marketing manager or sales girl discuss business proposal in a hotel room with male colleagues? when coming out of the room, the anti Khalwat team caught them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a Malay marketing manager or sales girl discuss business proposal in a hotel room with male colleagues? when coming out of the room, the anti Khalwat team caught them?</p>
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		<title>By: novice101</title>
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		<dc:creator>novice101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BN and the PR leaders have surely also read what had been suggested by the IKIM and the religious departments.  It would be interesting to know what they to say.

Give them some time to digest and come out with their respective stances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BN and the PR leaders have surely also read what had been suggested by the IKIM and the religious departments.  It would be interesting to know what they to say.</p>
<p>Give them some time to digest and come out with their respective stances.</p>
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