Pakatan Rakyat – logical next step of March 8 political tsunami
Leaders of DAP, PKR and PAS met in Petaling Jaya today and took the logical next step of the March 8 political tsunami – proposing the establishment of a new front of the three political parties to be tentatively known as PAKATAN RAKYAT.
A joint statement issued after the meeting reads:
The leaders of KeADILan, DAP and PAS met today in furtherance of the meeting held on the 18th of March 2008.
Today’s meeting was attended by, among others, Dato’ Seri Anwar Ibrahim, YB Lim Kit Siang, YB Dato’ Seri Tuan Guru Haji Abdul Hadi Awang and YB Datin Seri Wan Azizah Wan Ismail.
In today’s meeting, we have proposed to consolidate the cooperation between the three parties under the name “PAKATAN RAKYAT”. This name has been proposed pending confirmation by the respective parties.
Pakatan Rakyat pledges to uphold the rights and interests of all Malaysians, regardless of religion or race, as enshrined in the Constitution.
With the results of the recent elections, the state governments of Kelantan, Kedah, Pulau Pinang, Perak and Selangor will be known as Pakatan Rakyat state governments. The policies of these governments will be conducted in accordance with the policies of Pakatan Rakyat.
To further mutual understanding regarding such policies, a convention of all Pakatan Rakyat elected representatives of Parliament and State Assemblies will be held on the 27th of April 2008.
We have developed and strengthened the structure of Pakatan Rakyat by creating under the Leadership Council, consisting of the leaders of the three parties, a Joint Secretariat consisting of three leaders from each of the three parties. This joint Secretariat will be tasked with building the foundation and framework of the Pakatan Rakyat for ratification by the Leadership Council.
April 1st, 2008 at 14: 42.50
Uncle Kit,
Cheers to DAP! Cheers to PKR! Cheers to PAS! Cheers to Pakatan Rakyat that we have been waiting all along.
April 1st, 2008 at 14: 47.41
uncle Lim,
the selangor exco issue, still no updates?
haiz … why before election, all the politicians have sweet smiles, sweet until can get diabetes … but after election, want to complain also not entertain …
April 1st, 2008 at 14: 49.02
This is excellent. With Pakatan Rakyat, all opposition parties can now speak in one language avoiding misunderstanding among one another. This also can be regarded as strategic alternative party to BN.
I am confident with this new understanding Pakatan Rakyat is not far away from ruling federal government.
Congrats to all our leaders.
April 1st, 2008 at 14: 50.51
PKR and DAP is part of the pact, please ensure that the country remained secular, fair, progressive and take into account the multicultural nature of the country or else…
April 1st, 2008 at 14: 55.18
Greetings,
A small step by malaysians, a giant leap for malaysians politics…
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 06.31
The recent commotion in Ipoh should be an eye-opener on how the Pakatan Rakyat should move. Its true and accepted that we should steer clear of racial politics; with candidated for party or government chosen on merit and not on fixed quotas.
Things did not turn out too well for the moment, as the DAP candidate involved was shortsighted and failed to recognize the consequences of his act to the party, the Proposed Pakatan and the state government. The sloganeering for a Malaysian Malaysia has fallen on deaf ears; the need for time to heal the 50 years of racial divide.
The formation of Pakatan Rakyat will be well recieved, a word of caution though; let not the Pakatan be dominated by one party, however big it would grow to be. There should be an understanding of equal partnership with equal opportunities for all irrespective of race,religion,caste, creed or gender.
I personally would have preferred “Barisan Rakyat” the cause for which we so earnestly advocated during the last elections.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 06.42
Uncle Lim,
This has the potential to be exploited by BN.
DAP+PKR+PAS = PAKATAN RAKYAT = ISLAMIC STATE?
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 08.00
Dear Uncle Kit,
Congrats to all 3 parties within Pakatan Rakyat or the People’s Alliance for reaching this agreement (pending approval by respective parties). The next thing PR should do is form a cabinet in waiting to mirror the performance of all the cabinet ministers in BN…:)
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 08.15
Cheers YB Lim!
That’s the way to go.
If there are any diagreements among partners,please keep it private.
And solve it in within the 4 walls of the Pakatan.
Please stay united.
Today 5,tomorrow Malaysia.
In-between, you can have Sarawak for supper!
2 years down the road is just like the blink of an eye.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 10.22
LETS DO IT!
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 20.12
Thats a wise move. Whatever name it is…it brings us towards a new era in Malaysian politics.
Chinese no longer fear the PAS so much as they are now moving along moderation lines. Malays are openly supporting and voting for DAP. Indians are united now vis-a-vis Hindraf and are solidly behing PR now.
Even the stupid Buntong ADUn case will not derail this pakatan.
However, I propose that all elected reps be it ADUNs or MPs must undergo a Public Relations training with the main emphasis on emotion control and service with a smile.
The recent emotional outburst by some elected reps including you, LKS are examples of uncontrolled emotions. Train yourself to better handle all kinds of situation.
We must move along in a more professional way and ensure all reps are well trained in all aspects of life and this will definitely help to ensure quality reps who are trully willing to serve the rakyat.
We should never be too old to learn. LKS yourself should also set the example by attending such courses.
Belive me….it will help all 3 parties in PR tremendously.
Go for it.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 23.22
Good name. Better than Barisan Alternatif as that smacks of part of the tainted name of the other Barisan. PR sounds good too. A breakaway from the racial politics of “barisans”.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 37.09
Hello,
A united PR is critical for its’ success….no racial based politic aah
The Perak fiasco nearly torn the front apart with selfish request.
Requests should be made under it’s own party preview and results in unanimuous decision. Do not let individual demand break the unity and let’s ensure cooperation and selflessness move the united front.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 39.33
Congrats to the 3 parties for formalising the electoral pact. Together it will be possible to compete seriously to form the next federal administration.
One suggestion I would offer to the states of Penang, Perak and Selangor is to set up a central purchasing office as if this run properly, costs of supplies can be reduced by 10 to 15%.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 39.52
ric_23,
I think we are too naive. Now that they have won. Those questions that they don’t know how to answer they will not entertain us. I just hope Pakatan Rakyat will not end up like BN. Being too arrogant will pay it’s price!
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 42.31
Great visionary strategies….PAKATAN RAKYAT will definitely led the way…
“The policies of these governments will be conducted in accordance with the policies of Pakatan Rakyat”.
Set a bye-law for any MP or Assemblyman who goes against it to be remove for not championing this policy’s. Then ask them to visit
eyeyogacentre.com to get their vision improve.
Well done and keep the good work..PAKATAN RAKYAT..untuk warga Malaysia
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 44.12
saubing, wat to do, business as usual, except it will takes longer and harder now to heal. The next election is 5 yrs from now, we will need to educate those young voters who will be voting that who they should vote for right from the beginning.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 51.31
This is something that I have been waiting for. A 2-party system bidding and contesting to run the country. At the moment, the quality of candidates/people from certain parties seem a bit lacking.
Ever bickering over personal issues and threatening to resign. These people should not be put as candidates in the next GE. Another 5 years is enough to vet any prospects.
UMNO is very subdued, very quiet. Dunno whether any keris will be kissed this time around. If he keeps kissing the keris, I keep voting for PR. MCA should give up BN. PR seems a logical choice and more viable.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 55.12
Way to go guys.. At least the Rakyat will have more confidence in the “” Government in waiting”
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 59.31
I think you must treat a political party like a company.
If one owns a few shares one cannot expect the CEO to give a weekly or monthly report on how the operations are being run.
You need to attend the AGM and ask questions there. For a political party, one needs to see how they perform and how they answer queries closer to the next elections.
Better still, go and join the party and contribute your ideas there.
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 59.42
Now i started to worry … Pakatan Rakyat sound very convincing … but how about the formation of the leaders?
i think this one should discuss now at the very beginning, else will create chaos later … similar to selangor exco formation …
Will Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng, Hadid Awang, Chong Eng ARE SIDELINED in the formation? Since achievements, capability and experience are no longer a consideration (from wat happen in selangor exco)?
April 1st, 2008 at 15: 59.44
Logically, Pakatan Rakyat should also uphold the constitution that Malaysia is a secular state with Islam as her official religion.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 08.01
Now begins the glorious days for Malaysia.
I like that name.
Now lets work on a logo.
I would prefer one with an open palm, with two more superimposed on the first one and all in the same direction. No criss crossing.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 11.53
Congratulation Pakatan Rakyat!
Congratulation to all Malaysians!
Lets pray for wisdom & understanding in the formation of the shadow cabinet or the next Federal cabinet, which ever come first.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 12.53
lots of T.A.R.O. at work.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 13.03
We are on the right track. No worry for those who are worried about PAS islamic state. Everyone who really want a true Malaysia for ALL MALAYSIAN ON EQUAL STANDING will know what they can and cannot do.
Now Pakatan Rakyat (PR) will have to come out with a common platform to work on. All elected rep will have to take the same common stand, that is no race base politics but to serve all Malaysians.
GE 13 - No matter what, we must ensure that umno bn do not regain the power like they had for the past fifty years.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 14.37
Pakatan Rakyat (PAKAT)? Sounds like merely a “pact” to me. Or maybe you are all out to “pocket” the rakyat? It just does not have the right “ring” to it.
Why don’t you call yourselves PERIKATAN RAKYAT (PERAK) - the Peoples’ Alliance? Sounds nicer with brilliant “silver” lining.
Even though you may have all formed this “Pakatan”, the bottom line remains the credibility of the leadership. Many of your leaders are suspect with dubious qualifications and experience.
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Alot of the Pakatan MPs and SAs are unknown personalities. We do not know much about their background, experience and qualifications. One big problem in setting up the various state governments had been the lack of qualified people and their dubious qualifications.
I for one would really like to know more about many of them so that I can be confident of them. Would the Pakatan members care to share with us the profiles of all their elected MPs and SAs? These can be easily uploaded on the internet for all of us to see. Any doubts that we many have will then be either confirmed or erased. Its about Transparency, Integrity and Accountability together with Responsibility.
How about the DAP starting the ball rolling?
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 15.01
I hope that the new coalition keep to their principles at time of forming.
Remember it is the rakyat that put all these parties to power.
Make sure that the common agenda is kept and not each individual’s. Like PAS, I hope they do not propound formationof Islamic state half way thru’.
We the rakyat are wary of such tricks!!!!
If we are fooled . that is the end. It would be back to BN.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 15.08
I’m looking forward to have one website to unify the 3 parties, Pakatan Rakyat. We should also have a mass celebration, to recruit all new members to serve the rakyat.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 18.29
ric_23,
I think we will never get answer from the Selangor EXCO issue cause no transparency there. I used to be very enthuisiastic about what opposition party can do to our country. but after GE 12, i feel that some of the opposition MP or SA also look at their own benefits first before they even start to serve the Rakyat. So i reallly don expect much from BN or PR
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 19.32
when can we have a non malay prime minister? When will the coloured barriers be broken down? Why are we waiting for DSAI? Now is the time to rise up YB Lim! Be a Malaysian for all Malaysians! Its time to say goodbye to feudalism and embrace TRUE democracy!
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 19.37
Before the election, I tell all non-Muslim that there is nothing to fear about PAS for a very simple reason: Even without saying so, BN were already making this into an Islamic country by their court action. And action (of BN) speaks louder than words (of PAS).
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 25.34
Why are we (DAP) playing 2nd fiddle all the time? I think we must be bold enough to declare that we are here to lead and to heal the great divided between the races. We are here to lend a helping hand. We are here to enrich, empower and to share responsiblity in bring economic, social and spiritual prosperity to all.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 35.10
Gosh I am so Happy lah!!! congratulation Uncle Lim!!! Hope Pakatan Rakyat will be a great start for us MALAYSIAN!
p/s: Dont worry lah.. PAS is not Taliban… i’m sure they also know the enviroment of malaysia that consist of multiracial people… and they also know what is ‘wasatiah (kesederhanaan)’ means… if PAS are so fundimental…. sudah lama Kelantanese Chinese had gone to other state… UMNO keep telling non Malays that PAS are anti non muslim… and at the end… UMNO are anti non muslim… and some people still belive it!
….TAK KENAL MAKA TAK CINTA….
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 36.42
Sorry, this might not sing along well in this topic, but YB, is there anything the new Pakatan Rakyat can do, like give the people an alternative news avenue apart from ST*R and the likes….because I find it they are still messing around with their biased reporting, they are lying like there is no tomorrow, I have boycotted them but I feel many people are still being taken for a ride…save them to save Malaysia!
Anyway, cheers to PAKATAN RAKYAT!!!
Ada Pakatan Rakyat!
Ada Suara Rakyat!
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 43.39
pr long a waited for all malaysian, a new hope for malaysian we no longer vote for only bn, hopefully pr will win the next GE and catch all [ correct ap klang palace keris many many more!!!!!!!!!!!
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 45.19
Congratulations to PAKATAN RAKYAT !
While the name itself says Rakyat..lets hope Rakyats are remembered always by the Pakatan!….no rakyat no pakatan!!!
Had enough of BN…its time for PR to lead ! I am 100% with you all.
Just a tiny reminder from my Guru ‘ karma is not fate..for man acts with free will, creating his own destiny.The Vedas (Hindu Holy Scripture) tells us : if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness ; if we sow evil, we will reap evil’.
Lets join hands in good spirits for a better Malaysia - corruption free;human rights upheld. ……………makkal sakthi forever !
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 45.21
what are the consequences if there are mass crossovers from the east side? Can the parliment be dissolved again to pave way for a fresher mandate? I suppose we the rakyat are the real losers while you politicians squabble over power grabbing. Can we for once get down to seriously looking into the plight of the rakyats in your own constituencies?
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 48.23
Why are people saying….there must be certain number of Indian, certain number of Chinese and certain number of Malay in the EXCO? This is back to old racial line of politic that’s the NO.1 fault of BN. So do we still want more of the same?
If the Chinese & Indian wanted to be treated as equal to the Malay etc, then stop thinking like a Chinese or Indian. Everyone should now start thinking…”I am a Malaysian”.
BTW, I will never ever vote for that A Sivasubramaniam in Perak who sleep, eat, think, action along the same old racial line. Ever!
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 49.09
Hi lextcs,
first or second doesn’t matter, becoz we can learn from everybody and everybody can learn from us. We enrich ourselves just like a modern society should be, we serve in order to lead…politics is politics, some things can’t be change because we are not there yet…just not yet, just as we are sceptical about PAS’s ideology so are PAS sceptical about other parties’ ideology.
Malaysia just need some more time
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 53.36
All good and nice. Can it last? I am a Sarawakian and one vote for pakatan rakyat, the next round. If only if, all those ‘non-malay ceilings’ can be taken away from the constitutions at both the federal and state levels. See u round the next time.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 56.23
Yeah KKK
I totally agree with you…I find it very annoying that they go public with their comments of quitting and all…it just give the enemy something to rhyme on. Case of the Batu Gajah MP also should not have happened, every elected reps should serve according to parties policies and not make a particular constituency their own little country!
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 57.21
Hi dudes
Congratulations dudes for the formation of PAKATAN RAKYAT !
First of all, would like to comment on few issues surrounding the 5 states that we have. I hope no power hunting by our fellow assemblymen and I hope Pakatan Rakyat can be the stepping stone to answer the the difficult situations that arises among the parties.
Again, HIDUP PAKATAN RAKYAT!!!! and wish our dream comes true for a fairer regime in Malaysia.
April 1st, 2008 at 16: 59.50
I just wonder when can we learn. Just look at our neighbur Singapore. Their Government and their MSM will not promote non-chinese or chinese theory. Even their elected President is an Indian. But they are known as Singaporean. they are “one people, one nation, one Singapore”. Hope we can become a malaysian malaysia soon…..
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 01.29
Dear Pakatan Rakyat,
While it is good to have DAP, PKR and PAS unified under one name, please don’t forget to promote the name “Pakatan Rakyat” among the people and youngsters, who are indifferent to politics. If they don’t know what “Pakatan Rakyat” is and what they stand for, how you expect them to vote for you!
Distributing caps, pencils and student pocket-files printed with the “Pakatan Rakyat” label to school children, and organizing painting competitions and quizzes in a supermarket under the name “Pakatan Rakyat” are workable ways to tell people such a party exists.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 05.01
The rakyat has been deprived 50 yrs, the Malay looks like getting the benefit but it is not e.g. the 5% Bumiputra discount this Bumiputra is meant Malaysian (ultimately the major benefit are UMNO putra) the rich is getting richer and the poor will continue to be burden by ricing fuel prices, ricing food prices, and soon all the poor will have to take bus because unable to own a decent transport. When that happen don’t worry Khairy already make Rapid Buses for those who can’t afford to own a car, then Pak Lah son is ready for Scomi monorail expanding to each and every Malaysian. They will continue to exploit all Malaysian, Pak Lah will said “Ubah Gaya!” till you start paying all ur money to use their transportation. They are using Rakyat money to build then robe from them. Rapid Penang and Rapid KL all money from Rakyat, but is controlled and manipulated by Khairy. The cronies controlled the television, radio and press, whereas the opposition “Pakatan Rakyat” has just pave the foundation in these 5 states. It takes the Federal Govt. more than a week to settle the MB issues, but it only take 3 days for DAP to resolve the matter, which party is better?
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 15.25
saubing,
Singapore cannot be used as example lah .. as already explained be4 …
http://my2cents2u.blogspot.com/
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 19.03
Congratulations to all - DAP, PKR and PAS!
Finally, a step in the right direction. Yeah, a great leap for Malaysian politics.
Hope this union strengthens the bond and brings out the best in everyone, creating better, firmer understanding, trust and sincerity between parties concerned.
Hidup Malaysia!
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 19.53
March 8th was the “tipping point” that brought about sweeping changes in the political landscape of Malaysia. April 1st, with the formation of Pakatan Rakyat has become the “point of inflection”, from which going forward we can expect the direction of malaysian politics to take a course that is based on a two party system, with equality of all peoples irrespective of race, religion or political ideology being the basis for its democratic principle.
A suggestion is that the Pakatan Rakyat need to quickly establish mechanisms to gather continuous inputs/feedback from the people on their progress so that the voice of the people continue to be heard and seen to be heard by the people’s government.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 22.57
when can saubing & ric23_my stop harping on the old Selangor issue of EXCOs? If you are so adamant to the changes, then just ignore this blog site lah. Simple isnt it? Even Teng (whom I supported to be an EXCO) has voiced out his views to serve the rakyat esp Sg Pinang people. What to talk somemore???
We are now looking forward and its a very important thing that DAP, PKR & PAS are finally together to form a coalition. Isnt that exciting? We must look forward and be positive but must also not hold our hopes too high becuz its all a motly crew and this requires time to cement the coalition into a strong ONE force.
Of course there will be backstabbers (hope the 2 of you don’t be one) and lots of detractors like the dumb dumb Sivasubramaniam and others who may derail the coalition with their selfish demands and their own gains for power.
Nevertheless, we should give our support to PR just as we have given to “BR” during the GE. This is indeed a serious move which warrants our support and make sure that BN shall be dead not only in the 5 states but in the whole of Malaysia.
Malaysia Bolih
Pakatan Rakyat Bolih
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 32.00
chanjoe,
No matter how nice the name of party coalition is … or how nice the logo of the colliation is …
it is useless as long as they did not stick back to their ideology during the election campaign …
at the end, it will just be another brand of BeeAnn …
that’s why must make noise … instead of you all just living in fantasy … similar to UMMNO Putra …
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 32.01
I really do not care who is the PM , be he Anwar or Lim Kit Siang or Karpal Singh or Hadi . As long as they can deliver and free from corruption, we should give them the support.
BN has proven to be very terrible. Let us hope BR can do better!!!
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 32.49
http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13643&Itemid=28
Demi ketuanan Melayu, sanggupkah Adun Umno Perak sertai PAS?
Mat Zain Mat Isa
Tue | Apr 01, 08 | 12:01:58 pm MYT
….
Soalnya, apakah mereka sanggup berbuat begitu demi ketuanan Melayu? Rasanya?payah la sikit kot.?Maka mahu tidak mahu buat masa ini semua pihak, terutama golongan yang terlalu mendewakan soal ketuanan Melayu di Perak perlu menerima hakikat yang ada. ?
Penyelesaian lebih baik mungkin akan datang dalam masa empat atau lima tahun akan datang. Cukuplah beri undi kepada calon-calon Umno. Jika benar-benar mahu jumlah Adun Melayu di pihak pemerintah di Perak bertambah, pastikan semua calon PAS menang. ?
Umno pula jangan menjadi batu penghalang kepada agenda PAS meramaikan Adun Melayu, jika ia benar-benar mahu ketuanan Melayu di Perak dipulihkan. - lanh
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 33.11
Pakatan Rakyat = Makhal Sakhti = Power of One
BN is even more shaky now.
Syabas to one for all and all for one. The way towards the formation of a Bangsa Malaysia Truly Asia.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 35.39
Make sure also that this new PR has got proper PR to answer all emails sent to them. Worse still, some Aduns don’t even have email. Jangan bikin tak serupa cakap.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 41.48
These three have become the founding members of this “new political party”. They are in “near equal strength”. Let there be respect and the status quo maintained. New political groups may want to join the group later. The road ahead is not going to be smooth, but with a clear vision and determination the goal can be achieved. Congratulations to PAS, DAP and PKR.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 42.53
ric23_my….if you so tak suka what this great thing about the Pakatan Rakyat, then you are entitled to your own views and in fact you can withdraw your support for the 3 parties.
No one is tying your hands or forcing you to support PR. Its our suka to support PR and if we don’t allow them the chance to perform, then why don’t you go back to support BeeAnn?
We SHOULD support them so mthat they have the mandate to perform. They need time too ok? Let time prove to us and if they are no good as what you said they are. then just vote them out lah…simple as that…..nothing to get so worked up about.
Time will prove everything but it will definitely not 100%. Sometimes when there are only 2 evils to chose, which will you chose? We sure chose the less of the 2 evils right.
So if you don’t want to support, then go to the Toyol blog lah….let us loyal supporter continue here ok? After all Toyol blog needs people like you to help support his cause to fight for the UMNO youth head. Sorry no harm meant. just being realistic.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 43.16
They are not there to read email, they are there to serve the ppl, and i don’t mind if they don’t reply me, as long as they shows result by pin pointing the fraud done in the previous administration.
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 50.52
Long live Kit Siang!
Long live DAP!
Long live Pakatan Rakyat!
April 1st, 2008 at 17: 51.06
chanjoe,
Use your eyes to see, and use your ears to listen … instead of acting like UMMNO Putra …
ppl support, but dont blindly support. Give some positive comments if we see wrong … If Terasa Kok ask u whether she look like britney spear, i guess u will say YES?
Coalition should get back to their ideology before have the plan to form a federal government …
(1) Shout so loud about malaysian malaysia
- After election, argue for allocation of seats by race quota. Race for deputy mentri besar post also
- Some even worse, widthdraw due to owen race not represent the quota that they expected
(2) Shout so loud about anti-corruption
- But the selangor exco do not want to declare their own asset, due to “family problem”
if like that also cannot comment … then there is no difference if compare to BeeAnn …
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 00.07
Alamak…I realized I am trying to pacify a fanatic….well…its no point trying to clear your head.
If the 3 parties stick to their own ideology, then sorry lah….no PR will materialise. We might as well go back to fighting each other and allow your BeeAnn to cont rule lah.
I rest my case on you…so hopeless and just hope you will get a clear head one day….pity pity pity.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 04.23
chanjoe said: “…if you so tak suka…” Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
My father always said, with the Malays at least “boleh bawak bincang”, but with the Chinese, “hampas pun tak dapat”.
The acid test will be how the “pakatan” treats requests and demands from various groups like Dong Jiao Zhong (which I am sure they will couch it as equal opportunity for all) or GPMS (which would want to invoke Article 153).
Either way I am reverting back to the struggles of HINDRAF. Its clear, concise and no nonsense.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 04.45
chanjoe,
i guess most of the ppl will agree for these 2 COMMON ideology, right?
(1) Malaysian Malaysia
(2) Anti-Corruption
If these 2 ideologies also cannot stand firm to implement/practice it … then how want to convince ppl to trust on the new form of coalition?
Arguments on allocation of seat by race quota and relunctant to declare selangor exco assets …. is it my own view? Or is it a truth that happened out there?
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 07.24
chanjoe,
for ur statement “…if you so tak suka…” …. doenst sound similar to voice from UMMNO as well like this?
“You kalao tak suka, then you balik cina …”
This shows that u only want to hear good thing, DAP will going to die soon if got more and more DAP Putra like you …
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 08.20
I am delighted that finally we have a Pakatan Pakyat(PR). I strongly believe that soon, I mean real soon PR will be forming the next Federal Govt. Why? Because PR is harnessing this wind of change into a momentum that BN will find it hard to stop. Already, the BN’s Titanic thought to be unsunkerble is showing signs of distress with cracks forming within its ranks. Members are still licking their wound. Many are losts. Mutineers are calling for ABadawi to step down. Soon, factional leaders, disillusion, in this sinking Titanic do not get what they want will have to lead their members to find safe havens. Where else can they find such safe havens except PR. Why again? because no man’s an island.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 15.39
PAKAT does not sound good in Hockkien ,it indicates cronyism ,nepotism ,jangan pakat -pakat ah :))
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 24.21
Has PAS abandoned its ideology of setting up an Islamic State in Malaysia?
According to the Chinese version of Malaysiakini, which provides free full-text news reports,
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/80685
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What Hadi Awang says is rather revealing. Firstly, he says that the PRIORITY is to push for principles agreed by all three parties. (i.e. While PAS’ own agenda is not the priority now, it has not been abandoned). Secondly, he declines to comment on whether PAS has abandoned its agenda of Islamic state when asked. However, his roundabout answer is pretty revealing: ‘What matters is not the label. What matters is what we aim at and what we do.’
I take it this way: ‘What matters is not whether the label “Islamic State” is still explicit in our public discourse. What matters is that …is still what we aim at and what we…’
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 34.50
Congratulations!
However, have we forgotten our East Malaysian brothers and sisters?
Maybe, it is a good start, but always remember our fellow brothers across the South China Sea.
Malaysians should welcome a two party system! [At least, we are miles ahead of Singapore in this area.] It gives the electorate an alternative and it keeps the ruling party on its toes, while holding office.
When the Conservatives fail to perform, the Labour sweeps in. When the Republicans invade another nation on questionable grounds, the Democrats capitalise on it and take over.
Can these three parties come to a common understanding? I say, “Yes!”
It is still Malay dominant, with a strong Islam emphasis and representation, with a Chinese dominant DAP, looking after the rest.
PKR should grow to be a Malay dominant multiracial party, while DAP grow to be a Chinese predominant multiracial party. PAS remains PAS, while we look forward to the Sabahans and Sarawakians to make the move for an alternate representation, something they are experts at.
Will BN be restored? It is possible that a great comeback is being planned.
Stay around till 2012, for the next bout…..BN vs PR. Either camp can sweep past the other, depending on what happens from now till then.
Change has arrived….. in the political atmosphere
…in the maturity of the electorate….in the choices available….hopefully …for the better.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 36.12
Uncle Lim, Congratulation to Pakatan Rakyat!!! A new history chapter is made today in Malaysia. Looking forward for a better ,prosperous and peaceful Malaysia for all Malaysians!!!.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 37.37
CONGRATULATIONS TO PAKATAN RAKYAT !!!
jame-sai, you seem to be pouring cold water whenever some thing good appears. Why are you so short sighted? You appear to be suspicious of others’ motives and actions. How often do you look into the mirror and ask yourself, how sincere are you to the other people?
HJ Angus’s suggestion is very practical and will certainly save the 5 states plenty by doing so. Yes, apply some modern management technique to differentiate P.R. from those shysters of BN!!
Based on BN’s past practices, saving could easily be over 200% for each project or purchase.
3 CHEERS for the new PAKATAN RAKYAT!!!!
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 44.52
In order for PR to work, avoid the issue of race and religion at all cost.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 51.32
Well done DAP/PKR/PAS!!! We have never been so proud standing tall once again calling ourselves Rakyat Malaysia for the remarkable achievements since 8 March 2008. Never again we shall be living under oppression by so called ruling party aka corruption and power abuse tainted Barisan Nasional. We, rakyat Malaysia have succeeded in showing the doggies what’s the meaning of people’s power.
Carry on the good works guys! Never let small hick up like bickering of personal or race based agendas to break the coalition. Everyone in Pakatan Rakyat should be dispensable ie if YB Lim or DSAI or Hadi Awang or so and so MP retired or resigned next day, the coalition will still stand strong to carry out serving the rakyat and country. Wish to see Pakatan Rakyat doing great job in cleaning up the mess left over by BN starting from the town councils. That affects every rakyat and people will slowly have more confidence with PR. Slowly build your unity and strength then fight a good fight for the rakyat in the Parliament. We Rakyat Malaysia will ensure coming 13th General Election Pakatan Rakyat will take over the country and send those UMNO/MCA/MIC doggies/robbers/liars into criminal house. Yes, We Rakyat Malaysia will let Pakatan Rakyat to rule the nation one day; in 5 years time to be precise.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 53.52
The name is BARISAN RAKYAT!
And I appeal to all here, stop pressuring PAS to abandon their central Islam based idelology. It is inclusive enough for all. Forcing the word “secular” down their throats will alienate substantial support needed to make the new coalition viable. You have been warned!
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 55.43
Pakatan Rakyat or People’s Alliance is same cancept as Barisan Nasional. Very fast PKR-DAP-PAS adopt BN concept.
I heard one DAP Exco in Klang also learn something from old BN Exco where his thanks giving dinner is sponsor by some wealthy businessman and whole night all the people eat and drink for free (150 tables in chinese restaurant). barely 2 weeks only, he start to practice what DAP always condemn when they r in opposition side.
Every body know what this businessman will get from this DAO EXCO in return. DAP should watch out for this Exco and dont repeat the mistakes make by BN Exco.
We hope DAP can clarify on this matter.
April 1st, 2008 at 18: 59.02
YB Lim,
Congratulations to all Malaysians!
Congratulations to you and your team for making this very bold step. It is a move in the right direction. You will fall and you will make mistakes along the way as this is unprecedented and never been attempted before. But with strong principled guidance established throughout the years, I think Malaysians will have faith in you, the team and PAKATAN RAKYAT.
In 5 years time, we want to see PAKATAN RAKYAT take back Malaysia for all Malaysians. May I suggest that all the people in this PAKATAN should sign a solemn pledge to put “Malaysians” first above all racesto ensure that such embarassing situations like the one in Perak does not recur - one minute resign, next minute retract - all in the name of ethnicity. I thi nk we had enough of that.
Again, congratulations and good luck for the long journey ahead to PKR, PAS and DAP - the new PAKATAN RAKYAT.
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 05.55
Oh, yeah! Get a new logo for this new alliance too!
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 14.01
Fantastic! Finally the three main parties of the Opposition in Malaysia have come up with a fresh name to portray their combined strength. ‘People’s Partnership” it is. The dreaded ‘barisan’ has been dropped for good. Let it die with the Barisan Nasional.
Hope the coalition is a real partnership and not a lop-sided one. Hopefully whichever party has the highest number in parliament does not start using the “whip” to brand its hagemony over the others.
Let the ‘whip’ which was frequently wielded by Nazri be thrown away by the wayside. In an equal partnership there is no need to publicly chastise any member for whatever perceived misdemeanour.
For the partnership to work amicably and cohesively, it should not make any slip for the UMNOputras to capitalize on it and try their ‘divide and rule’ tactics.
Elected representatives should bear in mind that they represent all the voters irrespective of race or religion. They should not try to arm-twist the party leadership to gain higher positions in the party or state legislatures. Such naivete may be misconstrued for political immaturity or worse as being a racist.
Anyway it personifies a political frog.
Hope the seniors guide the young MPs and ADUNs to be more responsible and work for the rakyat.
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 15.22
let us just forget whether its secular or islamic state…
muslims cannot accept a secular state…
nonmuslim oso hesitate to accept an islamic state…
why bother trying to impose something that the other half dislike?
what matters most is the one that ALL fighted for all this while…
PAKATAN RAKYAT for rakyat, justice, no cronism, no nepotism…
hear me?
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 16.46
Let Us Live Happily Together In Malaysia
Link: http://www.kingsmary.blogspot.com/
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 23.40
The reality of the political scenario is that neither of the three parties, by itself can take on the BN. So, to formalised their ties in the Pakatan Rakyat is a logical step.
I sincerely hope they will be able to work together to herald the beginnings of a more civil and democractic society which so many of us have hoped will eveolve after BN loses that 2/3 majority.
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 28.25
[…] According to The Malaysian Insider here, DAP stalwart Lim Kit Siang said, “It’s the next logical step after the March 8 political tsunami in order to bring about the changes that people want. This is a response to the clear and unmistakable message from the people who voted on March 8, they want change, justice, freedom and fairness.” Kit Siang’s statement is available here. […]
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 28.58
Don’t know if you guys know that “to pakat” means “to conspire” - the question here I suppose is, are we talking about the conspiracy of the many against the few or of the few against the many?
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 32.04
For those who are still worry about PAS of the hidden agenda if any, please talk to any Kelatanese Chinese or Indians to find out more about PAS past performance. You be surprised how PAS out-performed BN putting BN to utter shame. You be surprised to hear more disgusting incidents in Sekolah Kebangsaan Kepong than Sekolah Kebangsaan Kelantan. How ridiculous some school teachers/principles in Sekolah Kebangsaan Kepong, segregating races and forcing religion to the throat till you can’t believe your ears!
Have you heard of piggies running in some kampungs in Kelantan in the 80′ resided by both Malays and Chinese (though not recommended in today’s culture)? Have you heard Malays drivers helping to catch and send the piggies to slaughter house in Kelantan? Have you heard all races living/eating/dining under one roof in Kelantan? Please talk to some Kelantanese to find out more. You have been brainwashed by BN for too long.
But of course we rakyat will continue to observe and ensure all three parties PKR/DAP/PAS practice moderation, fairness and justice irrespective of race, give constructive criticism when necessary so that the leaders of Pakatan Rakyat will make right judgement and decision for the good of all in the country. DAP has signed the agreement to form the coalition with a condition attached. That should solve one major worry at least.
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 34.47
[…] This is the joint statement of the heads of all three of these political parties, taken from YB Lim Kit Siang’s blog. […]
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 38.37
Lee Wang Yen of the UK:
Since almost everyone writing in this thread has expressed support for Pakatan Rakyat, what would you do now ? Regurgitate all the anti-PAS (and anti-Islam) articles from the internet and wikipaedia ?
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 40.52
I hear you, syncbasher, and totally agree!
April 1st, 2008 at 19: 57.15
In relation to “Pakatan Rakyat”, Malaysiakini reported on April 1st : “Despite repeated questioning, neither Hadi, Lim nor Anwar could confirm if PAS would abandon its ambition to form an Islamic state. Anwar stressed that the Islamic state issue has not been raised by PAS for several years now…“Why harp on the issue and provoke them to respond?” he asked. Lim (Kit Siang) said the emphasis is to focus on “common principles among the three parties”.
Ok so we don’t for the moment talk about PAS in relation to the Islamic state but what about the “uncommon principles” bearing on important public issues?
For example, PAS had urged Muslims worldwide to boycott Dutch products to protest against the 17-minute film ‘Fitna’ by far-right Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders. Does Pakatan Rakyat have a common position to call for nationwide and world wide boycott of Dutch Products because of the film of one Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders – or is Pakatan Rakyat going to keep silent??
Another example is the call for the release of Hindraf’s leaders from ISA detention after 8th March 2008. Do PKR and DAP support the call, and if so, does PAS also support such (bearing in mind PAS has slammed Hindraf for extremism in the past)?? Does Pakatan Rakyat have a common position on the release of Hindraf’s leaders or is it going to keep silent???
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 03.32
Jeffrey:
Has PAS called for a boycott of Dutch products, or was it Mahathir’s call in the international press ? Should MAS stop flying to Amsterdam ? Should we evict all the Dutch banks like ING and ABN-Amro ? Should we stop our children taking Dutch Lady milk, never mind that this is actually packaged in Malaysia ?
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 08.12
My point is that is that if it is of national interest, why press the issue on Pakatan Rakyat alone ? Why not press the federal government ?
The Hindraf issue is more pertinent, and to the extent that one of the 5 detained is a Pakatan Rakyat MP, then we should expect the call for their release to be accepted by the leadership of Pakatan Rakyat.
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 09.46
We should not be worried about PAS’ talk of islamic state even in the future. PAS alone could not garner 2/3 majority in Parliament to change the Constitution. In the recently concluded GE 2008, PAS only contested 60 seats. How are they going to change the Constitution where you will need at least 148 seats to do that. Stop becoming the victims of BN’s propaganda machinery.
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 13.12
Based on news reports, PAS had called for a boycott of Dutch products.
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 16.21
“…PAS alone could not garner 2/3 majority in Parliament to change the Constitution..” - Devilmaster. True at this time. Also the statement assumes fundamentally that PAS and UMNO will never tie up to share power.
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 40.14
Jeffrey, your statement about PAS and UMNO tying up to share power assumes fundamentally that UMNO will abandon its right to steal. Tough for thieves to give up their right to steal.
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 41.36
Do you punish the whole nation just because one person just happens to make a personal statement? Are we to boycott all Dutch products even the ones produced in the country just because one Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilder shows his intolerance towards Islam?
It is well and good to call for a total boycott. It is vindictiveness in the extreme.
On a parallel note would the international community be justified to boycott all Malaysian products because they are of the view that Malaysia, especially the BN government is negligent of human rights as it still oppresses its citizens using the ISA for its own political reasons?
Here again there is only one culprit - the Home Affairs Minister. He is the sole authority for the detention of any citizen under the ISA. He is not answerable to the courts as he need not press charges in any court of law of the country. In other words he puts on the mantle of jury, judge and executioner.
So, where is the justice in our democratic system? Before we project a holier than thou attitude, do some soul-searching.
It is just like the KJ fellow who whipped up the emotions of the UMNO youth to stage a demonstration against the Mynmar junta for using brutal force on the monks who had protested against the high cost of essential goods.
But when the Hindraf held a peaceful demonstration for being marginalised, their leaders are incarcerated at the Kamunting detention centre.
Why the double standard? Where is justice?
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 43.00
How is it that everyone has missed the obvious. Since the MCA, the MIC and the Gerakan had lost the support of the Chinese and the Indians, since they represent only that part of the population anyway, they should all abdicate enmasse and join the DAP or the Pakatan Rakyat. They should realised and made to understand that Makkal Sakthi is what it is really all about. Simple as that. So why are they so obstinate and all this talk about rejuvenation, reenginneering, restructuring and you can ‘re’ until the cow come home and it would be all a futile exercise. Can you get a Leopard to change its spot or a Zebra it stripes?
Ong Ka Ting, Sami Vellu and those in the Gerakan camp like Koh Hsu Koon and the Keng Siak guy should be humble enough and admit defeat. Although they did admit defeat after the GE12 I mean that is not what I mean if you get the gist of my meaning. I mean admit that all is lost, kaput!
Who say that they still have a chance in future. No way. In the future the Malaysian Rakyat and of course that means the Malays, the Chinese and the Indian will be even more educated, more modernistic in their thinking , more anti-establishment. Not easily cowed, coerced, threatened, bullied or flim-flammed.
Moreover the Pakatan will not make many mistakes because it is obvious they will be on their toes as everyone is under the microscope so to speak. They can only do the right thing and no wrongs as it would be too costly to fail, not to say embarrassing. Now would’nt it be embarrassing to lose back the five states in the next election? So they have to ‘pump iron’ hard, right?
April 1st, 2008 at 20: 50.50
With the new development and under the new political scenario, its is right for the BR loose coalition to come together under one banner now. It’s the natural progress under such circumstances.
One can envisage it is going to be a friction-laden relationship, full of ideological arguments, fights for positions, posturing for publicity, display of anger and indignation (real and feigned), loud proclamations of misconstrued actions and misinterpreted statements, and last but not least, outrageous ‘antics’ to attract attention.
These are normal behaviours expected of politicians, but, on the other hand, there are serious work to be done. Wise women and men are required to tackle the many issues, they need to apply rational and reasonable thinking to iron out these issues. To come out with acceptable and workable framework and policies, extreme care and sensitivity need to be exercised. Egos and tempers have to be held under rein. Participants have to conduct themselves with civility and good manners. The tendency to resort to ‘one-upmanship’ should be discouraged. Respect for the others’ point of view must guide all discussions of policies. Members must not threaten or intimidate others. All participants should not lose sight of the overall purpose why they are coming together. This vision of building an united country should be clearly seen and totally accepted!
It’s not going to be an easy task, for even now, there are, already, supporters of the parties involved, clamouring for their leaders to fight for the more prominent leadership positions. Many will insist the leaders to stand firm on their ideological positions. The leaders will be walking on a very tight rope. The leaders should stay committed to the sole purpose of building a united Malaysia!
National interests must be the priority, they must not be allowed to be override by narrow ideological demands. PR leaders must be able to make this distinction and not cave in to unreasonable demands, only then, does the nation has hope of steering away itself from race-based politics!
A brave act on March 8, has given us a serendipitous reward, capitalize on it and turn it into the second Merdeka !
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 05.41
Even thougher for thieves to worry about the risks of having their hands chopped off for theft.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 09.19
I mean “tougher”…
Seriously, there will be that 10 pct of UMNO who will lean towards cooperation with PAS to gain power, just like there is that 10 pct of DAP who will adopt the “never-in-my-life” approach towards cooperation with PAS. As long as these factions are in the minority, we should be OK.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 10.28
Pakatan Rakyat cannot be formed without PAS. Without Pakatan Rakyat, UMNO will continue to rule, and come next election will again retain 2/3 majority. After that they will have NNEP, and continue to rule for another 50 years. During that time, another two million non-Malays will leave this land. That is the price to pay by insisting now that PAS should openly denounce Islamic state, even if they might be reconsidering the issue.
I support Pakatan Rakyat, in whatever final name it takes.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 22.37
Congratulation to Kit and Pakatan Rakyat. I think this is the real model for unity especially in multiracial country like Malaysia. UMNO/Malay supremacy is no more relevent. To those who are still prejudice with PAS, please read the interview with Perak MB in Sinchew http://www.mysinchew.com/taxonomy/term/35
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 25.38
If Pakatan Rakyat is viable, governing in transparency, integrity and fair play, Malaysia will be a beacon for all countries in the region. God shine His Light on you Malaysia. Greatness is trust only for one moment in time and its leaders must use this trust for the greater good of all malaysians and not for self. And he, that self will be a light to others. So show thyself Good leaders unto all malaysians and we will include you in our prayers. God bless you, God bless Malaysia.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 31.56
///Jeffrey, your statement about PAS and UMNO tying up to share power assumes fundamentally that UMNO will abandon its right to steal. Tough for thieves to give up their right to steal///- Godfather.
No. It may assume that PAS may want to share power to learn to steal.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 35.06
PR is a risk for the parties involved but it is good for the country. The pace for change has increased. What the country will be we have more influence to shape it than any other time. Action will and intention will shape our common future.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 52.06
Some commentators repeatedly equate rejection of PAS’s agenda of Islamic state in a multi-racial country with anti-Islam. The malicious intent to discredit one who criticises PAS as a blanket Islam basher is obvious.
However, it should be rather obvious that
1. Rejection of PAS’s medieval brand of fundamentalistic Islam DOES NOT IMPLY a rejection of Islam.
2. Rejection of PAS’s agenda of Islamic state in a multi-racial country DOES NOT IMPLY a rejection of Islam or even Islamic state itself.
April 1st, 2008 at 21: 56.08
cheer to pakatan rakyat
it sound good.
‘pakatan rakyat’ can be shortform as ‘PAKAR’
yess!! to show all of them are very expert to bring a new harmony malaysia with thier smart thinking and clean personality.
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 25.01
CONGRATULATIONS !!!
Next, forming Federal Government by Pakatan Rakyat,…sooner or later.
I hope is sooner.
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 36.24
BRAVO! THAT IS THE WAY TO GO……………
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 40.34
whether it is PARTI PAKATAN RAKYAT OR PARTI MUAFAKAT RAKYAT,
it is indeed a good development.
Glad to know that we are on the right track towards 2 alternative party/groups of parties which are capable to govern the country. I hope this will weed out cronysm, nepotisme, power-abusing and mediocrities that plagued our country administrative system.
This is a good development towards achieving our vision 2020 .
Welcome to an era of ‘good governance, transparency, fair for all, meritocracy, competency, quality’ Malaysia!’
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 47.51
Time to take this country back……to Pakatan Rakyat ….congratulations….and remember ….no more MYKADS and PR for Indonesians……..The BN used the Indons and Filipinos to kick out Chinese, Indians, Kadazans, etc out of this country……take back that country that all of us won in 1957 from these BN morons……
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 49.47
Formation of Pakatan Rakyat
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 51.32
What news to read on April Fools’! I must admit that I am filled with scepticism but I do hope that DAP, PKR and PAS can really work thru their differences to make the Pakatan Rakyat a success.
Compromise and community! The two Cs that Pakatan Rakyat must bear in mind - if DAP, PKR and PAS truly wish to be for the Rakyat, then they must be ready to let go of their egos. I hope the MB-type problems/disputes were a one-off.
Hopefully, 5 years down the road Pakatan Rakyat would become a strong and stable opposition or even government-candidate; Don’t let it become a Party of Fools.
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 51.50
The Appetiser has been served on Mar 8th
The Main Course has been chosen today Apr 1st
I shall now await for this Main Dish to be serve in due course
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 53.09
the main concern of every rakyat now is the constant plundering by the BN goons. First priority is to kick them out b4 the whole nation crumbles in massive debts and ZERO in the kitty. By that time, whether PAS wanna make Msia Islamic also nothing to fear liao. There wont be any country left.
Just put PR in govt and put all those corrupted idiots to jail. Anything less than this is UNACCEPTABLE. We want heads to roll…the more the merrier!
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 53.47
Uncle Lim, kindly remind your DAP members who
have newly won as an ADUN, to really take actions
to nicely serve the community. Some of them are very
young and they really got many things to learn,
including having the right attitudes & manners.
Hope that these new candidates will not
upset rakyat in their constituency!
April 1st, 2008 at 22: 55.19
Pakatan Rakyat: For PKR you have all the letters there. For PAS you don’t have the “S”. “S” deficiency. For DAP it is the “D” defiency. It is the “SD” party deficiency.
It is for sure PKR is the ruling collision.
See what is correct in another 10 yrs time.
Hope for the best.
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 08.06
Hmmm does Perikatan Rakyat sound better?
Not that the name matters anyway. Congrats!!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 15.33
This is the logical step forward.
It’s about time Malaysia had a 2-Party System. This is what “Real Democracy” is.
Now the Pakatan Rakyat must show the Rakyat (the real bosses) if they really deserve to form the Government one day.
All the best & God Bless!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 22.30
I think many Chinese/Indians will not buy this idea of Pakatan Rakyat if DAP will eventually be a ‘yes-man’ to PKR or even PAS… akin to MCA’s position relative to UMNO in BN.
When you are independent, you are strong and can say/do anything openly & independently regardless of a higher level’s policy.
Clearly, PKR is in the lead & joining Pakatan Rakyat will eventually erode some rights of DAP in its ’solo voicing’. What if PAS go ahead to subtly induce Islamic policies in Kedah like banning gambling, slowly restricting beer, enforcing more close-up clothes for non-Muslim women etc and ‘pakat’ with PKR to agree…… What will DAP do in this “Pakatan Rakyat” then??? What is DAP’s position? Will DAP go ahead & oppose PAS/PKR in ‘close-door meetings’ like MCA? or openly make a opposing statement in the media, which will eventually shame the “Pakatan Rakyat”? Will Anwar Ibrahim allow that???
With this, I think DAP will again lose out in the next GE like the days Barisan Alternatif is formed with PAS in the alliance.
One way to succeed is PAS & overzealous Hadi shuts-up & close their eyes on Toto,4D,Karaoke,Pubs etc… Talk is not enough - they have to show it. Duration = 4 yrs.
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 25.11
When PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang announced a new opposition coalition encompassing his Islamic party, PKR and DAP at a massive gathering of 25,000 supporters in Shah Alam’s Stadium Melawati (last night), he said that that the ‘Barisan Rakyat’ coalition would open its arms to “colleagues” in the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition, in particular elected representatives from Umno, MCA, MIC and Gerakan. He said that they can join the new coalition either as “individuals” or “en bloc” – source Malaysiakini’s report, 1st April.
In short, Hadi is welcoming defections.
But aren’t defections (now canvassed) tantamount to an opportunistic political betrayal of the people’s confidence, and inconsistent with YB’s stand at one time to introduce a private member’s bill with title “Members of Parliament [Prevention of Defection] Act 1978” to ensure political integrity of Members of Parliament) ?
See blog thread at http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/24/a-law-to-prevent-defections/
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 26.00
I just came back fr Macau. In a small small most populated country in the world with virtually no room for natural resources, industries(factory) or even international trade & <30 sq km of land, they turn to Casinos…
I don’t know whether gambling places (casino license) are issued under State or Federal in Malaysia.
S’pore is opening 2 casinos.
Penang can be very successful & even more successful than Phuket if we build just 1 casino in Penang!!!
DAP - just change it!!!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 30.27
It’s not just what you’re called
But what you all can do together
It’s time after the durians falled
Problems are solved and burdens become light as feather
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 010408
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
http://msi.Rocky101.com
Tue. 1st April 2008.
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 32.16
Jeff,
I think we all do not like defections…
I also think DAP supporters will not like DAP to join a coalition where DAP may lose its rights to freely voice opinions & protests with the presence of other heavyweights like PKR & PAS around.
I feel the DAP supporters will always prefer DAP to go solo. DAP has failed to gain votes when it joined the Barisan Alternatif in 1998.
If DAP goes ahead, I can bet DAP will lose many votes in the next GE - for 2 simple reasons :
1. PAS is there (they are hiding their hardline Islamic card to play it when the time is ripe - wolf in sheep’s clothing).
2. DAP will become like MCA in BN (A ‘yes-man’ to UMNO)
Trust me…
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 37.17
Mr Lee Wang Yen, im so sorry to say that ur understanding on Islam is deficient and totally misleading. Im not blaming u but im here to help u to understand more rite
1. Rejection of PAS’s medieval brand of fundamentalistic Islam DOES NOT IMPLY a rejection of Islam.
PAS’s so called ‘medieval brand of fundamentalistic Islam’ is not actually another version of Islam but its the true form of Islam meaning which includes all cycle of life, economy, laws, lifestyle etc. As ppl do hear about ‘liberal Islam’, ‘hadhari Islam’ etc these are another incomplete versions of Islam which is not the true Islam. It only focuses on certain part of Islam and does not accept Islam as a whole. So by definition, its not Islam. As such, i would like to state that ur statement above is totally the other way around…
2. Rejection of PAS’s agenda of Islamic state in a multi-racial country DOES NOT IMPLY a rejection of Islam or even Islamic state itself.
Rejection of PAS’s Islamic state DOES imply a rejection of Islam. Islam constitutes a nation which comprises majority of muslim must practises Islamic state principle as any rejection of any part of Islam is deemed as NOT Islam.
However, i would like to say this…
let us just forget whether its a secular or islamic state…
muslims cannot accept a secular state…
nonmuslim oso hesitate to accept an islamic state…
why bother trying to impose something that the other half dislike?
what matters most is the one that ALL fighted for all this while…
PAKATAN RAKYAT for rakyat, justice, no cronism, no nepotism…
hear me?
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 38.29
People, I’m a supporter of the PKR-DAP-PAS pact during the recent election, voting in Batu Gajah seat. And I hope for them do good things during this term.
However, we must be realistic. Pls do not forget the lessons of history.
In 2004, BN won big. The people expect a better government. They didn’t get it.
In Philippine, the people there voted Joseph Estrada with his slogan “Erap para sa Mahirap” (Erap for the poor) in 1998 as their president. He ended up swindling the people’s money.
Many other cases of new government, new hope all over the world. Not many succeed.
I’ve read it somewhere that the most important component of any successful government lies in having a vibrant economy.
Issues such as whether PAS still wanting to establish an Islamic state is not much of a big deal. With such a high percentage of non-Muslims & moderate Muslims in Malaysia, it’s hard to force it through. & PAS is not extreme like JI or Arqam.
It’s hard work ahead, Pakatan Rakyat.
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 40.25
Hidup DAP…!
Suara Rakyat Suara Keramat…!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 57.27
The following is taken from Channel News Asia:
“This coalition will work and we will disappoint the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition. There are no junior and senior partners among us,” Anwar said. - AFP/ir
Incidentally, Barisan Nasional also had their own meeting in a hotel in PJ at about the same time when the coalition were discussing the next step forward. They discussing how to get rid of their leader while BR is talking about forming “Pakatan Rakyat”.
Continue to move in the right direction and your opponents will self destruct…
There are bound to be some turbulence (like the DAP assembly man who resigned and then changed his mind, & fearful individuals who continue to talk about PAS and Islamic State) along the way… but the general direction should be FORWARD TO A NEW MALAYSIA!
SHOW US THE LEAD AND WE ARE READY TO BE ONE PEOPLE… ONE NATION!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 57.30
This has got to go into our history books for the future generations to appreciate. Most of our parents went through many historical significance of their lifes (WWI, WWII, Emergency, Merdeka, May13, Flood, etc) - but this is truly momentous for Malaysia in the 21st century & for current politically minded generation. Even my father who is now in his 70s has never felt so moved/proud with the results of the recent GE & witnessing the change in our political climate. This change can never be too late. Better late than never!
The nucleus of the future Malaysia that should have been was borned under PR. I was waiting for this day, a cohesive structure among the former-opposition parties. Otherwise, BN will attack the weakest part of the chain. Another “check” move for BN to worry about. BN should start planning to be the opposition party after the next GE…or they can continue to squabble whose fault it is for the huge loss & so on until kingdom come.
The newly formed PR should be easily opened to all Malaysian citizens to join…PR will be truly a Malaysian people’s party. Those with Red IC should be encouraged to join as well?? Coming into the next GE, PR should encourage every eligible voters to register now. Don’t depend on post office…always run out of forms or system down. In these day & age, still can’t register on-line properly. Our EC is still living in the past or sleeping/hybernating until next GE.
PR service centers must assist all eligible voters to register. Imagine if every household that voted PR in this GE has ONE additional eligible voter…how many more new voters for PR that can be for next GE. Provided PR don’t be another BN-lah please…
For those who seem to have this extraordinary perception about PAS…just make a trip to Kelantan one day. If you have been, maybe not long enough. Go again. Why do we discriminate a religious party that actually uphold all that is good within Islam. Any different if it was a Hindu, Buddhist or Christian party? It’s like the songkok story that RPK wrote about.
Growing up under the BN propaganda also gave me a certain perception about Kelantan & PAS. My perception has since changed after meeting people from Kelantan & was surprised that they were Chinese living in Kelantan…after all. If they were, & if what BN propaganded was true, why then is the Chinese/Indian people living in Kelantan? able to go on with the lives - without prejudice / discrimination / freedom of religion / etc…otherwise, they could have moved to other states easily. I wouldn’t mind retiring to Kelantan - which by that time, PAS would have enough $$$ from the natural gas & oil royalties, & after paying off the last of the RM 11million owing to FedGov (& the debt was due to BN handling the state before that)…to have proper water system, etc etc that is long overdue to the people of Kelantan. Next - terengganu!
April 1st, 2008 at 23: 57.35
Mr Lee Wang Yen should repeat all his previous postings on “dhimmis” as defined in the wikipaedia. He reckons that we are all dhimmis under the brand of Islam as promoted by PAS.
Like I said in a previous post, this person is part of the 10 pct “extremist” in any party, so we should forgive his opposition to Pakatan Rakyat since the other 90 pct are all in favour.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 02.06
congratulations!!! That is the way to go and I hope the 3 parties can work well, there will be bumps but that is part and parcel of a relationship.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 02.56
Pakatan Rakyat is just a name, what is important is that those who are elected must remember to serve to defend and protect us.
Of the people, By the people For the people.
come next election, let’s Tsunami, Great Johor Flood, Typhoon and Earthquake the remainder BN.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 13.15
Congratulation on setting up the Pakatan Rakyat. This is the right move I fully supported it although a lot of non-muslim had still doubtful on Pas intention on setting up Hudud Law anyywhere let give them a chance. I always here from my Chinese friend from Kelantan that Pas is much more better than UMNO racist. Btw I’m a bit sad to here the news on police investigation of Lim Guan Eng on the NEP issue. I pray to god for his safety why don’t the BN losser gave Pakatan Rakyat a chance.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 16.32
PAKATAN RAKYAT
in short means- PKR
what are your comments DAP and PAS
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 20.04
Watch this…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SFQAJt_RwSE
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 20.27
Great start….PKR…..RPK…..PR….
Pakatan Rakyat….
1.Good start…..The TRIO [not triad]…need to come together….and they did.
2. They need to agree…..and they did.
3. They have formed a group….which is good, a coalition…a partnership…..Pakatan Rakyat.
As for all the questions, it can be worked out….
For example, have you not considered that three diverse personalities…the Malays, Chinese and Indians have cohabited and intermarried since before and after Merdeka….100 years of marital relationships…..
Malay men marrying Chinese women
Malay women marrying Chinese men
Malay men marrying Indian women
Malay women marrying Indian men
Chinese man marrying Indian women
Chinese women marrying Indian men….
mix it up with Ibans, Punjabis, Kelabits…I have seen all combinations…
All obstacles, questions can be solved, resolved etc….it is absurd that anyone should be suspicious, worried, afraid….after 50 years being married to one another.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 37.08
Dear Uncle Lim,
I wish Pakatan Rakyat the best and I know that it will be ruling the country very soon as the BN is disintegrating with its unsustainable racist policies. I would like to add that whilst DAP, PKR, and PAS alliance is the way to go the true test in the end is RESULTS. If you compare Singapore cabinet and Malaysia’s you will see the great discrepancies. Almost everyone of their ministers are either top Lawyers, top Surgeons, top Engineers, President scholars, Successful corporate figures - most certainly the cream of the cream in the country. If you count the number of Indians they have in the cabinet you will realise that RACE count for ZILCH there. I cannot believe that we as a nation with more than 26 MILLIONS strong do not have such capable people in our midst. Pakatan Rakyat just need to look and I am sure we can come up with even more qualified people with more impressive credentials. The problem is they are distributed all over the world now as the NEP has driven a lot of the best brains out of the country. Use this to PR advantage and invite all this high performance individual to return and selflessly serve the country. I suggest the politician play the politics for them but the MOST CAPABLE person and not the best politician be put in important leading administrative positions in the Ministry. I would rather having professional Ministers who can stand its own against anyone in the world rather than a great politician who cannot add or speak properly. If you get the best people to lead, everything will fall into place and things have a tendency turning favourable. It is time for Malaysia to shine again. If we use this same policy which Singapore is using, we will catch up and surpass them in 5-10 years. Remember we have more than 26 millions to draw our talents from while they only have less than 4 million.
Regards.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 43.34
This guy seems to know all, 10% of this and 90% of that. Wonder where did he get his statistics?
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 45.25
I must take my hat off to Anwar Ibrahim. Without him any collaboration between PAS and DAP was on the lam. If he can be an intermediary spearheading the tripartite parties to a successful coalition of “Pakatan Rakyat” in further enhancing the cause for integrity, accountability, transparency for an effective alliance for the betterment of Malaysians of diversity of races, equally, I can’t see why right-minded Malaysians could not see of him as a pre-eminent leader…
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 47.52
No offence here to anyone - but put it this way, we have to choose the lesser evil here. PR or BN. We all have a choice. Have we all forgotten about PSM? or has PSM merged into DAP-PKR? Every seat counts (precious) at the moment.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 53.26
….”your statement about PAS and UMNO tying up to share power assumes fundamentally that UMNO will abandon its right to steal. Tough for thieves to give up their right to steal.”
How can one make such an assumption that UMNO will forever steal and by implication PAS will never steal, sigh….
Try to nurture PAS to the strength of UMNO (pre March
and we shall see what will happen. The safest way to go is to keep both UMNO and PAS at even keel.
April 2nd, 2008 at 00: 59.26
To avoid in fighting among the component parties for leadership and other party positions for the new coalition party during the formation stage, make it a condition that no one can vote their own party members for the posts. This is to ensure that everyone will be forced to look at things not based on their narrow party line and become a true Malaysian Malaysia. Just my thought.
April 2nd, 2008 at 01: 15.44
Congrats..it’s a new beginning for Pakatan Rakyat..
April 2nd, 2008 at 01: 26.20
limkamput Says:
…The safest way to go is to keep both UMNO and PAS at even keel…
It is all about “Trust”: If you trust no one, no one will trust you.
passerby Says:
To avoid in fighting among the component parties for leadership and other party positions for the new coalition party during the formation stage, make it a condition that no one can vote their own party members for the posts.
This will not guarantee no disagreement within the coalition.
The key is SINCERITY in dealing with one another. Always approach problems with an open mind. More WISDOM less EMOTIONS.
If the joint secretariat can show the way by behaving as one: Pakatan Rakyat and NOT as individuals representing different interest groups, there is no reason why the members of their respective parties will not follow. There is also no reason why the people will be forced to take sides. This is leadership by example.
ARE WE READY TO TAKE OVER AS THE NEXT GOVERNMENT?
April 2nd, 2008 at 01: 31.06
Some might say…. Too idealistic!
Maybe…. But do you know of any other way?
Some might say… Too simple
Maybe… But the simplest way is the most profound.
LIFE CAN BE SIMPLE. ONLY WE MAKE IT COMPLICATED FOR OURSELVES.
April 2nd, 2008 at 01: 35.05
That poor UMNO leader from Sekichan was been barred for making speech, Tun Dr. Mahathir said ppl shud b brave to stand up against the leader, but on the other hand, those who stand up against him was kicked out from asking a question. Tun Dr. Mahathir is a hypocrites.
April 2nd, 2008 at 03: 09.47
hi kit siang,
this was on anwar’s blog
Muafakat tersebut berlandaskan agenda perubahan - negara hukum, keadilan - serta berteraskan prinsip Perlembagaan. Ini bermakna hak dan kebebasan rakyat terjamin dan kedudukan Islam sebagai agama Persekutuan, Bahasa Kebangsaan dan hak keistimewaan Melayu dan Bumiputera tetap dipertahankan.
http://anwaribrahimblog.com/2008/04/02/muafakat-berasaskan-kematangan-hak-rakyat-terjamin/
i think it really contradicts your joint statement above!!!!!!!!!!!
omg what’s going on….
April 2nd, 2008 at 03: 15.16
uncle lim,
we give u the power. but u have missused it.. who ask u to join with PAS.
April 2nd, 2008 at 04: 39.17
Well done to all the leaders of PKR-DAP-PAS for the formation of Pakatan Rakyat.
Of course to some people especially those from the BN/UMNO they will belittled the efforts that Pakatan Rakyat had made.
I am sure there are many within the Pakatan Rakyat that were not only surprised by the formation of Pakatan Rakyat but may actually oppose the formation and commented that PKR-DAP-PAS had abandoned their principles and policies.
In less than one month after the recent general election, the three parties are moving towards the formation of the Pakatan Rakyat, and I am sure there are many out there looking forward to see the Pakatan Rakyat will grow stronger day by day. Differences are sure to exist, but I believe the benefits out weight the negative aspects. This could yet be translated into another tsunami that are feared by BN/UMNO on particular.
April 2nd, 2008 at 04: 55.40
“….just because one Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilder shows his intolerance towards Islam?” mauriyaII
I agree. But understand where that emotion is coming from - and it is not just mere intolerance.
“The maverick politician’s remarks about Islam have become increasingly radical. In February last year he said that if Muslims wanted to stay in the Netherlands, they should tear out half of the Koran and throw it away. In parliament he then called for the Koran and Hitler’s Mein Kampf to be banned, a proposal that was rejected.” Jason Burke, The Observer 1/20/08
April 2nd, 2008 at 06: 25.53
Salam Sejahtera,
Saya sebenarnya sudah lama mengikuti blog ni dan selalu membaca komem. Dulu ramai org memandang serong dengan PAS kerana PAS memperjuangkan Islam. Tetapi, so far dah berkurangan, mungkin disebabkan mereka memandang kebolehan Tok Guru Nik Aziz memerintah Kelantan yang mana kerajaan PAS boleh bertahan hingga hari ini. So far, tak de pun Cina Kelantan dipinggirkan, malah ekonomi masyarakat Cini di Kelantan bertambah maju, kalau tak caya try pergi KB Mall, makin ramai masyarakat Cina berniaga. Siapa cakap Islam ni meminggirkan org Cina, India.
Dalam kes ni, saya sedar kenapa org memandang serong ttg Islam, puncanya adalah dari org Islam sendiri yang tak mengamalkannya dan memutar belitkan Islam sendiri. Itulah timbul Islam itu radikal, ganas dan macam-macam lagi persepsi yang buruk terhadap Islam. Saya seorang melayu Kelantan, saya tak rasa bangga pun saya dilahirkan seorang melayu. Apa ketuanan Melayu, semua itu bohong. Banyak nak tulis kalau nak explain kat sini.
Di sini saya ingin cadangkan, apa kata kita buat satu perjumpaan kepada pembaca blog LKS, bolehlah kita bertukar-tukar pandangan. Bolehlah kita mereaslisasikan Malaysian-malaysian (manusia-manusia).
April 2nd, 2008 at 06: 47.55
Headmaster:
I had an “A” in statistics in university. Do you ? Maybe you are in the same camp as Badawi when it comes to statistics.
April 2nd, 2008 at 07: 03.43
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April 2nd, 2008 at 07: 30.30
///We have developed and strengthened the structure of Pakatan Rakyat by creating under the Leadership Council, consisting of the leaders of the three parties, a Joint Secretariat consisting of three leaders from each of the three parties/// - YB Lim Kit Siang. The joint-secretariat will work out exact details of the Pakatan Rakyat, how it will work, its vision, its leadership structure.
When asked if the three parties are equal partners within the coalition, Anwar Ibrahim was reported to have said that any problems within the three parties would be ironed out collectively. He dismissed any suggestion that he was the leader of the group, saying he was merely their spokesperson for today’s press conference.
YB, if Anwar said no one person or party would have a greater standing and that it was the rakyat who would be the dominant party, then before the Pakatan Rakyat or its Joint Secretariat adopts any joint policy decision, wouldn’t it be correct to say that it must be prior agreed UNANIMOUSLY by all three parties – PKR, DAP & PAS – and not by simple majority with PKR siding with PAS on any decision or position of which the DAP does not agree????
Are Anwar & Hadi prepared to agree to this???
You have said, that the formation of the Pakatan Rakyat based on the “common principles” amongst the three opposition parties was a “logical step forward” following the opposition’s stunning gains on March the 8th.
We understand that the “logical step forward” is to form a formal opposition coalition not only to take the cause of Malaysian Democracy forward - which Hadi has stated as the common goals of working towards the abolishment of all unjust and discriminatory laws, especially the ISA, UUCA & OSA, implementation of electoral reforms, making ACA independent and restoring public confidence in the judiciary – but also the other part (that is not so expressly stated), to be poised and ready to replace at any time the Barisan Nasional as the alternative government, the first prerequisite of which is not necessarily to wait until the next 13th General Election, but to wait to see if there are sufficient crossovers (at least 35) from BN MPs especially from East Malaysia’s side to command the majority in Dewan Rakyat for a no confidence motion on the present government and take over from it.
This is precisely why PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang told PAS’s 25,000 supporters in Shah Alam’s Stadium Melawati that the Opposition coalition would open its arms to “colleagues” in the ruling Barisan Nasional coalition, in particular elected representatives from Umno, MCA, MIC and Gerakan crossing over either as “individuals” or “en bloc”.
Does this suggest that you and DAP have in principle either effected a turnabout that defections and cross-overs are either (1) no more (to use your past words) “opportunistic political betrayal of the people’s confidence” or (2) that they still are, but it is to be acquiesced with, if not encouraged, for the greater benefit or higher good of the Opposition taking over the government sooner???
[Hadi’s remarks on welcoming defectors were made not of PAS’s but the Pakatan Rakyat’s position, and according to Anwar, policy decisions of Pakatan Rakyat were to be forged collectively by parties of equal standing, which means that I am entitled to assume it means unanimously, with yourself and DAP’s endorsing as well Hadi’s statement welcoming defectors to join Pakatan Rakyat].
April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 08.49
YB,
For the moment, it’s anything but Barisan Nasional! The people have awakened from their 50-year slumber to realise that they have been bushwhacked, cheated and steamrolled by BN. But the day of reckoning must also come for Pakatan Rakyat….not just the first 100 days, then the first 6 months, then the annual report.
Rhetoric can only last for a season but PR must deliver or face the people’s wrath too.
I know that PR will be resolute and continue to be sensitive to the pulse of the nation’s needs.
All the best. I think RPK has sounded out a warning of sorts to PR to deliver or be whacked. And I’d never treat RPK’s words likely as the double Muhammad and his ilk have experienced the sharpness of RPK’s razor-sharp keyboard!
April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 21.10
politics and politics only.
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM RELIGION AND RACE. otherwise,
pas is for malays ala umno
pkr is mock up multiracial ala gerakan, ppp
dap is for chinese and indians ala mca ,mic
i think HINDRAF has more credibility than all the poltical parties put together. at least they are consistent in stating that the indians were marginalised but remain apolitical.!!
YB LIM ,
congratulations on whatever desicion that you have made in the interest of DAP. i also find you as a PERSON very consistent in your fight against corruption and croynism and power abuse. i hope you will continue this cause of yours. HISTORY will remember you as a great leader. BUT. hopefully your friends in this pakatan are just as consistent as you.
thankyou.
April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 21.46
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April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 21.57
Lets be honest, this is really about Anwar being able to negotiate with Sabah and Sarawak with any real authority. Only if Sabah and Sarawak comes in will Anwar be able to keep this Pakatan going. Otherwise, its no more than a mild threat to BN.
April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 23.50
ENDANGERED HORNBILL.
i agreed with you. ym rja petra is also a consistent fighter for the underdogs. he fought for anwar ibrahim with his free anwar campaign, but does anwar remembers raja petra now ?
April 2nd, 2008 at 08: 25.04
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