“Results of space tests out soon” – Opinion


[Dr. Lee Wei Lim, a a Marie Curie Fellow and Malaysian brain scientist in Maastricht University, the Netherlands, has several queries on today's Star report "Results of space tests out soon" re: Angkasawan Dr. Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor.
[Dr. Lee's comments (in bold) accomapnies the Star report viz:]

Results of space tests out soon

PENANG: The results of experiments carried out in space by Angkasawan Dr Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor will be released next month.

The experiment was carried out at the International Space Station or in the “Space” ?

The results of various experiments with proteins and the effects of micro-gravity and space radiation on cells and microbes would be shared with international researchers soon, the country’s first cosmonaut said during the closing of Brain Awareness Week 2008 at Universiti Sains Malaysia yesterday.

How can an Orthopaedic surgeon carry out protein research in the field of molecular biology? Why do we have to focus on space radiation on cells and microbes since we are living on the earth? How does this contribute to the science?

“I have spoken to the scientists and researchers involved in the project and they said the results will be published soon – in about a month’s time,” he said, when responding to questions by students attending his talk on Brain in Space: Our New Frontier.

The results will be published in which international peer reviewed journal? What is the significant scientific background of it?
His talk on the “Brain in Space”, is he qualified to speak about that? Has he been trainned as a neuroscientist? Does he have strong background on the brain? Please see www.pubmed.com and type in “Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor”, no scientific publication related with the brain!

Asked why the experiments had to be carried out in space, the 35-year-old orthopaedic surgeon said it was because zero gravity allowed the specimens to be studied in their 3D form.

Just because to study the specimens in 3D dimension?? Would it be too costly? First of all, how can an orthopardic surgeon involves in scientific neuroscience research? What is the link between the brain and bone (orthopaedic)? Similarly, would you send a dermatologist to study the brain?
“Zero gravity allows specimens to be studied in 3D form”, why did this study have to be carried out in the “space” or the space station just for the cell 3D form investigation? In fact, on the earth, we have such “vacuum chamber model” to carry out research on the morphology of cells with “confocal microscopy”, “two-photon microscopy” or “electron microscopy” approach, this will give us even a better control view of the cells in terms the cell morphological changes and technical manipulation aspect. And again, how can an orthopaedic surgeon carry out such complicated and high technique on cells manipulation in the “space”? Is he a cellular biologist? Please look at the Harvard University website on Neurobiology.

“If studied on earth under a microscope, the cells would have been flattened slightly because of the effects of gravity. In space, we can view the specimens as if they were in the human body,” he explained, adding that he was keen on returning to medical practice.

And again, the research was carried at the “International Space Station” or in the “Space”, there is a clear distinction between these two!
Cell flattened??? Please see my previous opinion on vacuum chamber model.
What type of cell did he want to study? What is the hypothesis and scientific support for such a huge cost of investment? “In space, we can view the specimens as if they were in the human body,” based on which scientific publication to support this notion of sentence?? If so, how about carry out such experiment in the vacuum chamber (low cost) of zero gravity with better manipulation on the cells and more scientifically grounded?

“I miss seeing my patients and being in the operating theatre. I also hope to one day find the cure for cancer,” he said.

Miss seeing patients? When a person left his medical career for more than 5 years, is he still eligible to perform his clinical works efficiently? May be, he is exemption.
To find cure for cancer? What is the link between his work in space and cancer as well as the brain?

The experiments were conducted while he was on the International Space Station. On Oct 10, Dr Sheikh Muszaphar made history by becoming the first Malaysian to fly to space.

The experiment was conducted at the International Space Station and not in the “Space”? What sort of experiment? Why can’t it be carried out in the scientific laboratory, with lower cost, more reliable internationally-accepted methods for scientific publication? He is an orthopaedic surgeon with no scientific publication in brain and cellular research, how on earth he knew the works of a professional histologist or cell biologist or brain scientist?

Later, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak launched the book Reaching for the Stars, which was written by Sheikh Mustapha, also known as Ajil, the late brother of Dr Sheikh Muszaphar.

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The book is Ajil’s personal account of Dr Sheikh Muszaphar’s journey from the time he was short-listed, trained, and selected as Malaysia’s first astronaut to his journey into space late last year.

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But Ajil had a fall and slipped into a coma while his brother was still in space and died days after Dr Sheikh Muszaphar’s safe return to earth.

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  1. #1 by pjboy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:31 am

    This was surely a planned political project by BN to get popularity. As always, using Rakyat $ to claim credit. As if the $ used came from their own personal pockets/bank account. They should have got SCOMI, UEM, Patrick B, Razak Mongolia (submarine commission), MCA-Transport Ministry ($ from PKFZ scandal) & even KJ’s pocket $ (ECM Libra) to pay for it. BN owe the Rakyat at least RM 100Million for this ridiculous decision. We were a laughing stock.

    Even Singapore, with all their wealth don’t waste good $ on these things. Leave it to the US, EC & Russian tax payers for all these advance research for mankind. They have the resources for further follow-up. As if, our 1st trip to space can conclude what happened to human cell in space…c’mon. To think that the US-EC-space programs did not think of it? The US were already conducting studies on why the bone-mass deteriorate in space…& they eventually concluded (after many trips) that getting the astronauts to excercise was one the methods to recude the problem or phenomena. They still don’t have the answer why but at least they have an answer to prevent. Maybe now they have the answer, I am not sure.

    I am not all too surprised that the paper/research was already pre-written – it all came with the space-taxi-ride deal. It goes to say that BN has no importance at all when it comes to using the Rakyat $.

    Remember when AAB too k over, cancelled all of approved by TDM projects saying the country had no $$$…I think we have a senile PM. So now, we have RM 100Million (in 4 years) to send a BN crony to space. This is a national crime.

  2. #2 by howIseeIt on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:44 am

    America – astronaut
    Russia – cosmosnaut
    China – sinonaut
    UMNO – CAN OR NOT??
    REALLY CANNOT LAH!!!!!!

  3. #3 by lakilompat on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:47 am

    I’ve very sorry Sheik Muzaphar, first of all, those effort might already been studied before by NASA. By the way, what on earth Malaysian doing it in this field? shouldn’t we do more realistic research rather than something which has already been studied. Are you qualified enough to perform the research, are u a well paid research or something from Malaysia govt.? or jus another Malaysian bloopers.

  4. #4 by pjboy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:14 am

    Wonder what other useless research undertaken spending important Rakyat $. We are importer of rice (from Thailand) & soon to be importer of oil (…related to unsubsidising prices…guess who will hold the mighty mother licence to import oil…). Why not research how to improve yield of our rice/oil instead of sending someone to space to carry tool box, spin roti canai (royalty should be given to our Indian bros) & teh-tarik (…what the @*#%…). Thank goodness he didn’t show the maggi-in-the-cup!!!

  5. #5 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 4:37 am

    Shooting yourself on top of a missile laden with tons of liquid oxygen into space in order to touch the face of God is now a commercially viable business. The issue is whether taxpayers should be left to pick up the tab.

  6. #6 by ihavesomethingtosay on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:47 am

    102 million…………..

    we have 222 paliamentary seats.

    that is :

    102000000/222 = RM 4,594,594

    yes folks, we foot RM 5.00 for this [deleted] project

  7. #7 by Plaintruth on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:24 am

    Shukor is just being used as a puppet by UMNO. The selection of ansangkasawan candidate was purely based on racial decision to booster the UMNO ego.

    It all started from the UMNO government mentality a particular race is much more superior than merit.

    This taxiride to space was a pure waste and abuse of our Malaysian resource. DAP should do a good job in the next election to gain more seat to wipe out UMNO and stop this nonsense.

  8. #8 by k1980 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:56 am

    Next, will a made-in-malaysia car be landed on Mars via a Russian spacecraft? You know, to entice the Martians to start buying malaysian cars to prevent the imminent collapse of EON. The last time, the Eskimos in the north pole refused to even look at the car parachuted there by the former PM

  9. #9 by mendela on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:57 am

    The very second Najis annouced this project few years back immediately I knew it was meant for UMO to create a “feel good” feeling on how Malays had succeeded under UMO’s rule.

    All those earlier candidate selection process was just gimmick, do you believe Najis would allow an Indian or Chinese to become first Malaysian in space?

    Our good money must stop from further dumping into this stupid “feel good” program.

    I am 100% sure that other than the 92 Million dollars we already paid to the Russians, we probably had easily spent another 100 Millions on other “space related programs” in the past 2 years!

  10. #10 by ktteokt on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:01 am

    As it is, the Malaysian flag is not gaining much respect on Earth, especially in Malaysia. This is evidenced by the numerous “rags” sticking from flag poles on top of buildings which are actually the “remains” of some Malaysian national flag put up umpteen years ago and which has undergone “weathering”. So bringing the Malaysian flag to outer space does not boost the position of such events happening on Earth, especially in Malaysia.

    A big mockery comes with our first “astronaut” reading the Rukunegara in outer space. This great “document”, drafted and approved in the seventies, does not bear any significance in Malaysia. Just ask yourself how much has the government done to “realize” this “holy document”? I have been drumming on the implementation of just four words in this “holy document”, i.e. “membina masyarakat yang adil”. Just how adil is our masyarakat? If at all it is adil, then why “special rights” and “ketuanan Melayu”? If these two exist, then can Malaysia ever be adil? Perhaps our Ministers do not have proper dictionaries to show them the true meaning of the word “ADIL”.

  11. #11 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:18 am

    Mr. Lim,

    Just an idea:

    The Finance Minister position and its ministry should be made independent. The Minister role and all the staff will be appointed based on merits and experience.

    The FInance MInistry shall work hand in hand with the Economics Department. Appointment of international economic advisors can be pursued if required. THis will be on a need basis and not permanent.

    The role and responsibilities of these departments should be free from politics, focusing on the country’s economy and growth.
    They will act as advisors giving input on the economics benefits/ costs on proposals tabled in Parliament.
    The FInance Ministry will also hold the Treasury role to safeguard the country’s wealth and finances.

    (Qualification: this is just a suggestion/ idea, in reality a lot more research and improvement is required to ensure this structure is effective and serves its purpose).

    Looking at current political situation, and the difficulties to push for the 8 proposals you’ve mentioned, I believe it will be more difficult to push for the above restructuring if pursued….

  12. #12 by bra888 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:22 am

    Everyone has been talking about a change for the better since the result of the election. I certainly hope that the people should boast around about it before any change happens. I didn’t see any change lately.

    The change that I want to see is to STOP sending the second space tourist, or at least voice against it. Do that and I’ll believe in that the opposition can bring the hope of the word ‘change’.

    All I’m asking is an opposition voice against this stupidity. Is that too much to ask. If the opposition don’t voice out, then that means that they are supporting this act of stupidity.

  13. #13 by bra888 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:31 am

    I certainly hope that the people should boast around about it before any change happens.

    Correction:
    shouldn’t

  14. #14 by k1980 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:43 am

  15. #15 by BroncoKid on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:21 am

    Dear all…..

    If you guys think “if Malaysia build their own space shattle, then it is ok ….” let me warn you guys, the proposal will be taken seriously and these BN.putras will work 24 hrs a day to realise it. Beware.

  16. #16 by ZhouYu on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:37 am

    bra888 : Parliament has not resumed since the dissolvement for GE. Think it’s probably in May.

  17. #17 by ShiokGuy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:40 am

    Sick!
    Look at his face, and how can he be so THICK SKIN about it?
    May be 2 Generation of NEP make him think/make belief he deserved it. Really feeling so sick!

    [deleted]

    Keep watching, some form of balancing act will happen to those. What go around come around.

  18. #18 by Old Geezer on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:47 pm

    In considering the topic of the Malaysian “space participant”, we must consider two separate issues.
    The first issue is whether the scientific experiments have merit. As a scientist, I believe that the scientific experiments, as reported by the media, appear to have merit. There is no doubt that the experiments are of interest to the relevant scientific community. Anything other than that, such as playing gasing, etc., would probably be just for fun, although I am quite sure he never try “teh tarik” because it doesn’t work in space.
    The second issue is about Malaysian prestige. The scientific experiments were only an afterthought because the main aim was the prestige of having a Malaysian in space and that was a waste of money.
    It is not wrong to be involved in space-related research. But if the scientific experiments were really the main objective, then the Malaysian govt went about it the wrong way.
    Scientific experiments are in sealed packages and astronauts are just trained to flip switches or pull certain handles/levers. Such tasks can be done by the regular astronauts without having to send a Malaysian. It is even much cheaper that way.

    I do feel uneasy reading Lee Wei Lim’s comments because they reveal the person’s lack of understanding on space research. That is not surprising because that person is just a research assistant according to the Univ of Maastricht’s Department of Psychiatry & Neuropsychology website (as of Jan 2008).
    The article sounded more like a hatchet job than an objective comment on the work of the Malaysian angkasawan.
    The comment “The experiment was carried out at the International Space Station or in the “Space” ?” is as ridiculous as Bill Clinton’s comment on what the meaning of “is” is.
    “How can an Orthopaedic surgeon carry out protein research in the field of molecular biology? Why do we have to focus on space radiation on cells and microbes since we are living on the earth? How does this contribute to the science?”
    Astronauts do not need to have expertise in the discipline for which they are doing experiments in space. All they are trained to do is to perform specific set of activities and follow instructions with guidance from scientists and engineers at Mission Control or affiliated space centers. Space radiation is a problem not only for humans but also electronic devices in space. NASA spends millions of dollars annually on space radiation research. Granted that on earth, we are protected by our atmosphere eventhough electrical systems on earth have shown to be affected by intense solar storms. Do you know that passengers on transcontinental plane flight following the polar routes, such as over the North Pole, are exposed to space radiation? So research on space radiation, in general, does contribute to science on earth.

  19. #19 by allasstra on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:35 pm

    hye old gazer;

    like u said,the experiment “appear to hav merit”. are u saying just because something that appears to be useful *is* indeed useful ? may-b u hav some sort of information before hand that helps u to reach to that conclusion like research papers…etcetc

    “There is no doubt that the experiments are of interest to the relevant scientific community”
    –which scientific community ? local/international scientific community ? and how does it help the scientific community ? has the kind of experiment never been done before ?

    “Astronauts do not need to have expertise in the discipline for which they are doing experiments in space. All they are trained to do is to perform specific set of activities and follow instructions with guidance from scientists and engineers at Mission Control or affiliated space centers.”
    –like u said,wouldnt it be more justifiable to send the actual scientist who are involved in the original research to go up instead of another lay-man,which wasnt a ‘cosmonaut’ in the 1st place,and WHO among the mission control/space centers are the ppl involve in the ‘experiment’ ?

    “NASA spends millions of dollars annually on space radiation research”
    –u.s can spend 1+ billion on a single day for defence on peacefull times,so NASA can spend millions on thier pet project,entertaintment,HOs just for fun,it doesnt really matter,they *hav* the money,should we follow them like a spoilt child ? crying out loud for a toy ur parent cant afford ?

    “Do you know that passengers on transcontinental plane flight following the polar routes, such as over the North Pole, are exposed to space radiation?”
    –then why would we need to go up to “space” to conduct the experiment ? might as well just board a trans-continental flight ;-),they might even get some bonus point

  20. #20 by pjboy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 4:15 pm

    We need an “Alan Greenspan” for Malaysia. Not Finance Minister1, Finance Minister2 & Deputy Finance Minister. 3 positions! Cut off 2 & we probably save over 500K-1M RM per year (wages + expenses) for 2 other positions that serve no benefit to the nation, apart from wasting $ & gathering useless statistics that do not have any realistic implications to the rakyat, apart from a few cronies/nepos.

  21. #21 by kerishamuddinitis on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 4:16 pm

    Dear Old Geezer,

    “As a scientist, I believe that the scientific experiments, as reported by the media, appear to have merit.”

    That is your first statement in giving a ‘balanced’ view. Then you sum-up your posting with

    “…NASA spends millions of dollars annually on space radiation research.”

    I suppose it doesn’t take a ‘scientist’ to recognise the logic that if Nasa has and is conducting research annually on a host of space-related issues and developments, then it makes BLOODY MORE SENSE BUY THE RESULTS from Nasa. Unless you contend that it is not of the precise nature you want – but then when you are starting from ZERO base in space-related knowledge, anything you can buy, rent, lease or obtain without having to blow RM100mil is a START! Or, you might say Nasa doesn’t sell such information and research knowledge – but then NASA will sell you anything that you are willing to pay for. NASA will send your grandmother and her pet kitten to space for a week is THE PRICE IS RIGHT!

    By the way, this is also one reason why even the scientists at NASA have resorted to engaging the services of marketers – becuase marketers will always seek the most cost efficient way of getting the information they require! And they normally buy the bloody things.

    Even if the key objective was to send this so-called doctor to space for ‘scientific research,’ RM100mil to conduct some scientific checks over a little more than a week WITHOUT any future plans for further follow-through IS A SHEER WASTE OF THE RAKYAT’S MONEY – you money as well, Old Geezer! This ‘scientific mission’ is a piss in the rain!

    Now, consider the possibility that Bodowi, NAJIS, Kurang Jar and all the other Barisan Nincompoops who have any say in this HAVE lined up the next 5 years for an annual scientific mission to CONTINUE with the research, what will you say then? Not a possible scenario? Then it is back to ‘pissing in the rain.’

    Either way you argue it, the RM100mil was blown to smithereens over some stupid flash-in-the-pan, never-to-repeated extremely extravagant and costly show of Malaysia Boleh and more pointedly, Ketuanan Melayu! That reminds me, hmmm…the C4 was also used to blow to smithereens some stupid flash-in-the-pants, never-to-be-repeated mistake, extravagant and costly show of NAJIS Boleh and more pointedly, Ketuanan Isteri!

  22. #22 by Old.observer on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:28 pm

    Sorry to say that $100 Million spent on the space program is only a “small change” for AAB.

    You see, the Terengganu Monsoon Cup is slightly bigger change. The apparent cost per annum is RM 300 Million. The total prize monies is RM 1 Million. Somebody else (or a group of somebody else) gets to keep RM 299 Million in various guises of “expenses”.

    That’s RM 299 Million PER ANNUM mind you.

  23. #23 by cemerlang on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:46 pm

    Datuk Najib defended the space programme as was reported by one of the government controlled national t.v. news. Paraphrasing what he said, it is meant to add knowledge for the Malaysians and to enlighten them about space. As if only the government is so clever and their subjects are so not clever.

    How many Malaysians know about the space programme historically carried out by the Russians and then followed by the Americans ? Did they take an interest on their own to know ? Especially these days with the news on the internet, you get the latest up to date news without having to wait for your newspaper the following day or the same news a week from now. The internet is not just for fun and games which many young Malaysians seem to think so. Each time they surf into the internet, they go straight to chat rooms and games. The news is staring at them face on. Still they refuse to read the words there.

    Why do Malaysians depend on the government to tell them anything and everything including the space programme ?

    See it is no wonder the Barisan Nasional can be in power for this many years. The Barisan Nasional can tell you this thing and that thing and you just believe without questioning.

    In my town, there are posters of Doctor Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor. He came here to give a talk and the Barisan Nasional team as usual does not fail in welcoming a hero. Before he went into space, I already know something about space. Surf into the NASA’s website. Surf into any website that tells you about the space, the universe, the programmes, the spacecrafts, the astronauts, the planets, the Voyagers that are now flying beyond the solar system etc. etc. Do Malaysians know these ? Or all that they know is this handsome Dr SMS ? Whether he has a girlfriend or not ?

    Ever ask yourselves. Why did the Russians allow Dr SMS to join them and not NASA ? Even rich Americans who had been to space could only take commercial flights with the Russians and not their own NASA.

    So we are way behind time in knowledge. Firstly, it is the Malaysians themselves who could not be bothered with knowing anything else. Secondly, it has something to do with the way we are brought up. We are just too complacent. We just accept things as they are. We never think that the situation would change tomorrow. Then how can we be competitive ? How competitive can we be ?

    Surely we are not going to depend on bribery and corruption just because we lacking in our competitive spirit, are we ? If we are, then there is nothing so great about us.

    We cannot blame Dr SMS because he is diarahkan and he has to carry out this amanah of going into space. He is not the one who held the money and so he is not implicated if there are charges of financial wrong doing.

    Since we are so rich, shouldn’t the government help those who are struggling to make ends meet ? There is nothing so great about showing what you can do and nearer to you are problems which are still unsolved. Poverty. No school uniforms. School shoes that are spoiled. Books that are recycled. School children who cannot go to school because they don’t have the money.

    As for the experiment that Dr SMS is doing, is this research just a dream research meant to give credit to certain people only ? Meant to obtain titles ? If this research does not help the country, then it just a wastage. Why not do a research on poverty in Malaysia ? Or did someone do it already, presented it already but there is no action taken ?

  24. #24 by w.change on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:46 pm

    Our Govt couldn’t even supply clean water to all the household. Tell me who doesn’t own a water filter at home now !?

    Everyday we crawl in the net. Our Streamyx is the narrowest band connection to the net compare with our neighbouring countries. We pay RM99 for the miserable 1MB line & we jump for joy if the speed manage to hit 100kb/s. Our neighbour ? 50MB my friend. Without the information super highway, how do we progress ??

    Go back to basic, stop all the political propaganda; stop wasting our tax payer $$$ and stop us from being the laughing stock of the universe. Spend the $$ on basic need; health care, education, transportation & a zillion things we can make good use of the $$ than sending a passenger to space !!!

    Wind Of Change.

  25. #25 by shaolin on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:25 pm

    Made in Malaysia spacecraft??!! Sampai tua pun
    tak jadi…!! Before we can design own ultra-light
    ayrcraft, we are already talking of building spacecraft
    and space technology!!?? Before we can walk, we learn
    to fly!!

    Do not dream and be more realistic!! We are not in Fantasy
    movies, shouting ‘The spacecraft, the Spacecraft’…!!

    Where the hell the space infra structure come from?
    Or is it hoping for the windfall from the sky that God
    can help to bless our country??!!

    Our ‘kitchen cabinet’ is too NAIVE or they just think of
    a huge project to accomplish and eventually he is
    happily walking into the bank with handsome kickback
    money…!! So better Beware and Watch out ‘Ali Baba
    and the 40 Thieves!!’

  26. #26 by showsomemercy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:27 pm

    got more then 40 lei.. :)
    I believe i can fly – Yeah opposition believes in that where we are government in waiting… :)

  27. #27 by bringit6 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:53 pm

    PENANG: The results of experiments carried out in space by Angkasawan Dr Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor will be released next month.
    The experiment was carried out at the International Space Station or in the “Space” ?
    Me: If you remember some basic biology, maybe you will know that cells can’t survive space vacuum condition. So, of course it is conducted at the ISS. This is the journalist’s incompetency at reporting this news.
    How can an Orthopaedic surgeon carry out protein research in the field of molecular biology? Why do we have to focus on space radiation on cells and microbes since we are living on the earth? How does this contribute to the science?
    ME: Space flight is an arduous task, not like taking a cab Mr. Lim. How many neuro scientist can you find fit enough for the journey, This guy was one of the fittest man in Malaysia and selected from the mass due to his level of health and experience in medical aspects.

    The results will be published in which international peer reviewed journal? What is the significant scientific background of it?
    His talk on the “Brain in Space”, is he qualified to speak about that? Has he been trainned as a neuroscientist? Does he have strong background on the brain? Please see http://www.pubmed.com and type in “Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor”, no scientific publication related with the brain!
    ME:Did you hear the talk?

    Just because to study the specimens in 3D dimension?? Would it be too costly? First of all, how can an orthopardic surgeon involves in scientific neuroscience research? What is the link between the brain and bone (orthopaedic)? Similarly, would you send a dermatologist to study the brain?
    “Zero gravity allows specimens to be studied in 3D form”, why did this study have to be carried out in the “space” or the space station just for the cell 3D form investigation? In fact, on the earth, we have such “vacuum chamber model” to carry out research on the morphology of cells with “confocal microscopy”, “two-photon microscopy” or “electron microscopy” approach, this will give us even a better control view of the cells in terms the cell morphological changes and technical manipulation aspect. And again, how can an orthopaedic surgeon carry out such complicated and high technique on cells manipulation in the “space”? Is he a cellular biologist? Please look at the Harvard University website on Neurobiology.
    ME: Copy paste this link and read the whole page yeah… http://science.nasa.gov/msl1/pcg_why.htm
    And again, the research was carried at the “International Space Station” or in the “Space”, there is a clear distinction between these two!
    ME: Tsk tsk tsk… I pity your knowledge of biology, how did you get your fellowship?
    Cell flattened??? Please see my previous opinion on vacuum chamber model.
    What type of cell did he want to study? What is the hypothesis and scientific support for such a huge cost of investment? “In space, we can view the specimens as if they were in the human body,” based on which scientific publication to support this notion of sentence?? If so, how about carry out such experiment in the vacuum chamber (low cost) of zero gravity with better manipulation on the cells and more scientifically grounded?Miss seeing patients? When a person left his medical career for more than 5 years, is he still eligible to perform his clinical works efficiently? May be, he is exemption.
    To find cure for cancer? What is the link between his work in space and cancer as well as the brain?The experiment was conducted at the International Space Station and not in the “Space”? What sort of experiment? Why can’t it be carried out in the scientific laboratory, with lower cost, more reliable internationally-accepted methods for scientific publication? He is an orthopaedic surgeon with no scientific publication in brain and cellular research, how on earth he knew the works of a professional histologist or cell biologist or brain scientist?
    ME:Basically you are repeating the same thing over and over again, besides he had months of training and lessons from the best people in the field before the trip.

  28. #29 by k1980 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:23 pm

    Made in Malaysia spacecraft? I made it when I was 18 months old, by folding an old newspaper and believe me, it sure could fly out of the window and into the garden

  29. #30 by Kenyneo on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:57 pm

    While it doesn’t take a scientist like Dr XXX to be able to question the “sandiwara” behind the so-called experiment in Space. Of course opinion from people like her carries more weight since she is the Subject Matter Expert (SME) as compared to people like you or me. But rather than questioning his qualifications which is obvious, or lets go back to the selection process of the Malaysian Angkasawan Reality show. My question is someone else could have been chosen for this task, so is this experiment a result of him being selected or rather part of the many so-called benefits of the Malaysian-Go-To Space Program?

    As for the venue of experiment, perhaps I should bring the debate down a few levels.
    Instead of arguing whether it should be in Space Centre or in Space question I have is how reliable do we seriously think the result of such so-called experiment conducted within such short period of time would be. Even trained scientist, researchers or SME spent months or years doing such research and here we are trying to get away with so called Space Miracles within how many days with untrained hands and brain ( in the that subject of course)

    Perhaps this is the result of blind ideology of Malaysia Boleh? Perhaps Malaysians are too carried away with the Malaysia Boleh spirit that they failed to see the true essence and real objectives of Malaysia Boleh. That they can be so incredibly proud of a Malaysian going to space with a Russian rocket, with Russian space technology irregardless of the cost. We have so many Finance Ministers, how come we can see the cost benefits? Or perhaps the leaders feels that mass Malaysians need the artificial boost which becomes a laughing stock in international arena. Indeed Malaysia Boleh Rugi.

    Perhaps someone should define the definition of astronaut and cosmonaut or maybe add another category called Cosmotravelnaut in case they have difficulty in classifying such person . Need I remind ourselves that Martha Stewart’s boyfriend did the same, but of course I am more proud of him because at least he used his own money to fund his Space Holiday Package and not from tax collections.

    How can Malaysians approve such project? Were we all sleeping? How many more such projects should we endure? Malaysian should distinguish between Malaysian Reality Show Vs Malaysian Real-Ability. I hope with the Opposition’s huge victory in last election,perhaps may not undo the past but I believe we could still have an autopsy and bring justice to all the tax payers.

    And for goodness sake, someone please stop the CostMoreTravellerNut from making his rounds and spreading false Malaysia boleh spirit ! Anybody who has got money can do it ala Martha Stewart’s boyfriend lah !!!

  30. #31 by bystander on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:13 pm

    we cant even build a proper car and now want to build a spacecraft. yeah pigs can fly as rpk would say.

  31. #32 by Old Geezer on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 12:54 am

    Wow, what intelligent comments from allasstra and kerishamuddinitis in response to my posting.
    I am not going to waste internet bandwidth by giving point by point responses.
    But, I want to advise the Opposition MPs that it is not advisable to criticise the scientific merit of the Angkasawan mission because they don’t know the exact scientific details. You only end up making uninformed and ridiculous comments such as those by the writer of this article.
    But you can criticise the way they spent RM100 million on an image-building trip with the pretext to perform the scientific research because there are much cheaper alternative ways to do the actual research. For instance, it is a routine thing for US universities to be involved in building experiments to launch into space without costing an arm and a leg.
    There is a need for cutting edge scientific research in Malaysia, but the consideration should be at what costs and whether there are more cost-effective ways.
    To put it in another way, if the govt spent RM10 billions to import exquisite materials from all corners of the world to build a landmark building or an architectural marvel to house a hospital, you don’t criticise the benefits of the hospital providing much needed medical services because those benefits are indisputable.
    But the costs of the architectural aspects, or whether there is some corruption involved in the mark-up of the construction costs, of the hospital are not indisputable because there are cheaper ways to build the hospital and yet provides the same results.

  32. #33 by Tim Sng on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 1:56 am

    I am strongly outnumbered here…

    My views again…

    1. Let’s be fair…give him the credit for a great achievement for the nation.
    2. Good he is a Bumiputra….Malay. He is a Malaysian…isn’t he? Why look at race..again…aren’t we Malaysian Malaysians?
    3. Emphasise the ridiculousness of lack of basic supplies in our villages…eg no piped water in Langkap despite 30yrs

    4. Emphasise need to recognise all races…all Malaysians who do well…..Nicol, Mahendran, Magendran, Shalin…..

    What’s wrong with Malaysia Boleh….won’t you say that too if we won the World Cup Soccer….we can criticise ourselves if we are lopsided in our approach or if we misuse funds….

    Let us be fair…..but emphasise that the poor, needy, orphans, widows must be looked after at the same time.

    Emphasise education for all ……like that lah!

    That’s how we true Malaysians should be…..Sdr Lim Senior….tell your followers.

  33. #34 by cencaru on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:16 am

    How about making cencaru in space. Let’s see cacaru can fumigate in space? How about making Kuantan salt fish in space.

    They are endless experiment to be carried out in space.

  34. #35 by pjboy on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:32 am

    We can’t even build a world class car company when given the chance over 20 years ago (compared to Korea’s Hyundai & KIA that started more or less the same time but look at their position today from these 2 Korean automotive giant, not 1 but 2,…& what is the population of South Korea?). Something wrong somewhere. We need to get our priorities straigthen out. Continue to compare with other countries like Burma, Africa…we may as well reverse our objective to become a developed nation. To be a developed nation, we must benchmark against…a developed nation! Not benchmark against developing nation.

  35. #36 by cheng on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:42 am

    eh… got test results meh??? I thought I read before that most of the experiment apparatus crashed during the hard landing???
    In case we really did the experiments successfully, why do we need to publish it? I thought those results are supposed to be our national secrets? Well, if they really publish, let’s google and wiki and see whether there is any “breakthrough”…
    Think again about the experiments, they were “designed” to stop people from laughing about teh tarik as initially suggested by idiotic Barisan Najis guys. So, we don’t actually need such experiments after all.
    As a Malaysian, I condemned such a waste of public funds and there is no different if we send a Chinese Malaysian or an Indian Malaysian to space. Same manner as how we “taroh” the JPA scholar the other day.

  36. #37 by Toyol on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:47 am

    Its all about priorities. Obviously BN got theirs all wrong. When we are faced with hardships with rising costs of living, poor children not being able to go to school, floods etc, we had to spend millions to send one man to space to boost someone’s ego! BN is trying very hard to convince the public that the project was well spent. Assuming that the experiments were really conducted and assuming that it is in fact a proper experiment, I believe the money could be used more economically and bring more benefits to more people. Its just not the time.

    Oh, by the way, my friends in US who have connections with Russian space agency told me that our spaceman was not allowed to touch any command buttons and only restricted to his experiments! Forget what the Russians said.

  37. #38 by Godfather on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 10:19 am

    Anyone here thinks that Badawi knows the difference between a bone surgeon and a brain surgeon ?

  38. #39 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:10 am

    I think as long as it is surgeon is good enuff for Bad Awie. The only prime minister who just sit there to provoke all the Malaysian. One day u wake up and realized our prime minister is not a Malaysian, he’s from outer space.

  39. #40 by fido on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:15 am

    Everyone knows that this program should not have been executed in the 1st place but “someone” high up insist that this must be done …er….for somebody’s benefit. Thus it was bluntly executed without bothering of what anyone else thinks.

    We should be more concern of how the holders of our govt public funds can sign off sich a useless project. Everything can be signed off w/o accountability coz it’s not their money and they have other plans behind it ALWAYS.

    It is high time that BEFORE approving a project, the govt present in parliment for at least 2/3 majority approval BEFORE any payment can be made. All quotations must be published in their web page for all to see. Any attempt to cheat will be a police criminal case.

    Prove it to the rakyat!

  40. #41 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:39 am

    Take it as positive arrangement, becos Na jis bought some submarines & shukoi from the Russian govt. and as a courtesy there’s a free coupon for Malaysian govt. to participate in the space trip. The Russian are good business man, and willing to throw in some crumbs which without any serious thinking, Pak Liar accept it as this was proposed by Na jis, he will take any Na jis irregardless it is good or bad.

    This is how a handsome young Sheik Muzaphar was picked to represent Malaysian. By the way, going to space trip is 1 thing but to carrying out space research, do Malaysian govt. have a department for space reasearch. Where is the post for Minister of Angin? should Pak Lah give Sheik Muzaphar a post as well since he is promoted become the 1st space surgeon in Malaysia. He’s been used as BN marketing tools, and Proton marketing model. Is he a model now rather than a surgeon?

  41. #42 by highhand on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 12:51 pm

    now the jamja is out, we can officially declare the what so ever space program is terminated.

    the 2nd space man in waiting can go start audition for tooth paste or tooth brush advertisement.

    while the first one can go around and ask the young kids go day dreaming………

    jamja can go become a kalang guni

    ongkili can start planning to sent the first man to planet mars

  42. #43 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 2:35 pm

    Space man is jus a gimmicks. Now the space man come back become Malaysian hero, wearing flag jacket to promote cap “Malaysia Boleh.” It is at the expense of Rakyat, millionth of ringgit to promote the Malaysia Boleh Space man, and billionth of dollar to buy what Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam and even Taiwan don’t plan to buy submarines & shukoi jet. President Putin must be surprise that look Na jis wanted to buy some military jet & submarines, and the commission goes to Abd. Razak who are in custody.

  43. #44 by Warrior of Cookies on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 3:15 pm

    Malaysian doesn’t need submarine or shukoi coz it only take a Gingerbread Man or Biskut Merry to destroy us…!!!

  44. #46 by allasstra on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 3:55 pm

    deaar geezer,

    “I am not going to waste internet bandwidth by giving point by point responses.”
    —INTERNET has an unlimited bandwidth. i suppose u mean YOUR bandwidth,which is unlikely unless u r using dial-up. therefor it’s very clear that u have nothing to back-up your claim. my question is how important is this “experiment”,and to which scientific community ? as the rakyat,and a tax payer,i have my right to know where the goverment spend my money,afterall,that’s what TRANSPARENCY is all about. u seemed to hav a strong conviction that this “experiment” is justifiable,therefor u must hav some sort of information that lead u to these conviction,so share these infos with us,please….OR……,maybe u r just the kind of person who’ud take anything the .gov/media shove down ur throat,
    cos they said it’s good for u !. ;-)

    we as the rakyat,in a pseudo-democratic country has at lease the right to know,(even if we cant decide) before the soyuz blast off into space…….

    “To put it in another way, if the govt spent RM10 billions to import exquisite materials from all corners of the world to build a landmark building or an architectural marvel to house a hospital, you don’t criticise the benefits of the hospital providing much needed medical services because those benefits are indisputable.”
    —it’s very disputable,and even outrightly-objectionable when the existing hospital are in such a dire state and plagued with severe lack of doctors and loooooooong waiting time,and opening new hospitals will just reduce available doctor/hospital even more,….and gosh !,that’s the lamest analogy i’ve ever heard…….u seriously have a flawed train of thoughts…… ;-)

    and bringit6,the link u provided,

    http://science.nasa.gov/msl1/pcg_why.htm

    is great,owesome[sic],but it was “last updated on 1997″-gave u a ‘B’ for effort tho….;-)

    a newer one is here:http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/experiments/CPCG-H.html#description

    which lead us to the question: why not just tumpang them if that experiment is what we really need,and *if* that’s the alleged experiment is…

  45. #47 by unsatisfied on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:32 pm

    this man is only a carrier. He didn’t conduct any research, do you think it was so easy to conduct protein research as well as 3D structure of the protein in space with limited facilities. What he do is just mixing something according to the manual given, he knew nothing about it.

  46. #48 by unsatisfied on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:36 pm

    Tim Sng Says:

    1. Let’s be fair…give him the credit for a great achievement for the nation.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    sorry, i just don’t see what achievement malaysia get from this exorbitant programme. All i knew was, millions wasted for nothing when it can be used for other proper research which our local institution clearly lacking of fundings.

  47. #49 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 5:15 pm

    Pak Lah regime’s follow the “Ko rek” rules, everything korek here korek there, look at RM 4.6 billions Port Klang bailout, look at all the “kebocoran” cases. Even buying of “shukoi” and “submarines” tell me that’s not korek or wat? now building of submarines pent, who’s paying for this? also navy training cost? is Malaysia straits deep enough for Submarines to patrol? Now sending them should be free yet it cost millionth of ringgit, it’s not meant for research it’s meant for a normal healthy space visitor.

  48. #50 by zioburosky13 on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:40 pm

    Due to zero gravity in space, all kind of experiment being perform in such environment can result in weird result, such as plants that gain giant size compare to earth breed (this has been done by NASA and China Space Agency). http://www.cababstractsplus.org/cabreviews/Reviews.asp?action=display&openMenu=relatedItems&ReviewID=34378
    With the shortage of fertile land, space hydroponic maybe the way to solve hunger and food shortage one day.

    Rather than sending people to space for showing off, we should strengthen our education system, encouraging science study, then build our own sky-hydroponic farm and export them to various nation. Now that’s a win-win situation for everyone. ;)

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