Comments on: ISA release of Hindraf 5 - first post-March 8 test for MCA, MIC, Gerakan http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/ for Malaysia Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:34:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: lakilompat http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-99323 lakilompat Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:42:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-99323 1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don’t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest? In China, you will get mow by tank. Incidents in Tiananmen 2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act? Myanmar has been doing it for years, even the UN was aware but nothing much can be done. 3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country? Don't think so, i think you can ask Aung San Su Kyi, as she's expert in drawing inspiration even nobel prize fame to her country. 4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don’t deny, lots of things are said by implication.) Basically it is just a hot & sizzling accusatopm, it's fun to include those line in, e.g. Anwar & Sukma case. 5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? UMNO fight for Ketuanaan Melayu, not Ketuanaan Rakyat? Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere? If those who oppose can get 2/3 majority, then it matters. 1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don’t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?
In China, you will get mow by tank. Incidents in Tiananmen

2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?
Myanmar has been doing it for years, even the UN was aware but nothing much can be done.

3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?
Don’t think so, i think you can ask Aung San Su Kyi, as she’s expert in drawing inspiration even nobel prize fame to her country.

4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don’t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)
Basically it is just a hot & sizzling accusatopm, it’s fun to include those line in, e.g. Anwar & Sukma case.

5. Is racial discrimination per se bad?
UMNO fight for Ketuanaan Melayu, not Ketuanaan Rakyat?

Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?
If those who oppose can get 2/3 majority, then it matters.

]]> By: kickbutt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94965 kickbutt Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:15:12 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94965 For me??? Muahahaha....! For me??? Muahahaha….!

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94945 limkamput Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:38:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94945 This is what the oxygen grazer does: can't engage in meaningful discourse. Come on, answer the questions i have for you above. But i guess this is all you have got. This is what the oxygen grazer does: can’t engage in meaningful discourse. Come on, answer the questions i have for you above. But i guess this is all you have got.

]]> By: kickbutt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94925 kickbutt Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:07:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94925 Yep, I could! The foul stench of a dead rat is everywhere. I gotta run! Yep, I could! The foul stench of a dead rat is everywhere. I gotta run!

]]> By: LadyGodiva http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94913 LadyGodiva Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:10:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94913 Can't you smell the stench! I detect the odor of a dead rat in the room. Can’t you smell the stench! I detect the odor of a dead rat in the room.

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94888 limkamput Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:33:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94888 undergrad2 says: "Rather than abolish the ISA we should ‘abolish’ those who use it for purposes unintended by Parliament when it passed the law. It is important that we not throw the baby out with the bath water. Suffice it to say that the “evil” lies not in the legislation but in its arbitrary use and abuse." NO, the evil is in the legislation itself. If the legislation has not said so, the executive branch would not be able to abuse it. Poor analogy - it is not throwing the baby out with the bath water. If we want safeguards, the legislation must specifically and unequivocally say so. undergrad2 says: “Rather than abolish the ISA we should ‘abolish’ those who use it for purposes unintended by Parliament when it passed the law. It is important that we not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Suffice it to say that the “evil” lies not in the legislation but in its arbitrary use and abuse.”

NO, the evil is in the legislation itself. If the legislation has not said so, the executive branch would not be able to abuse it.

Poor analogy - it is not throwing the baby out with the bath water. If we want safeguards, the legislation must specifically and unequivocally say so.

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94886 limkamput Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:25:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94886 Undergrad2 says: "Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the BN government would do well not to ignore." What legal or constitutional basis have you got? To what extent you want to give the royalty and the Agong the "personal discretion"? Someday, can this discretion be detrimental to democracy? Undergrad2 says: “Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the BN government would do well not to ignore.”

What legal or constitutional basis have you got? To what extent you want to give the royalty and the Agong the “personal discretion”? Someday, can this discretion be detrimental to democracy?

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94881 limkamput Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:18:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94881 One commentator says: "You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a foreign organization supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?" 1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don't confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest? 2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act? 3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country? 4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don't deny, lots of things are said by implication.) 5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere? One commentator says: “You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a foreign organization supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?”

1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don’t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?
2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?
3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?
4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don’t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)
5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?

]]> By: lakilompat http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94642 lakilompat Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:22:58 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/#comment-94642 Mr. Sammy is the old soldiers! he will fight till 100 yrs old. The old indian don't die, he jus went bald. Mr. Sammy is the old soldiers! he will fight till 100 yrs old. The old indian don’t die, he jus went bald.

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