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	<title>Comments on: ISA release of Hindraf 5 &#8211; first post-March 8 test for MCA, MIC, Gerakan</title>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don’t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?
In China, you will get mow by tank. Incidents in Tiananmen

2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?
Myanmar has been doing it for years, even the UN was aware but nothing much can be done.

3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?
Don&#039;t think so, i think you can ask Aung San Su Kyi, as she&#039;s expert in drawing inspiration even nobel prize fame to her country.

4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don’t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)
Basically it is just a hot &amp; sizzling accusatopm, it&#039;s fun to include those line in, e.g. Anwar &amp; Sukma case.

5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? 
UMNO fight for Ketuanaan Melayu, not Ketuanaan Rakyat?

Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?
If those who oppose can get 2/3 majority, then it matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don’t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?<br />
In China, you will get mow by tank. Incidents in Tiananmen</p>
<p>2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?<br />
Myanmar has been doing it for years, even the UN was aware but nothing much can be done.</p>
<p>3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?<br />
Don&#8217;t think so, i think you can ask Aung San Su Kyi, as she&#8217;s expert in drawing inspiration even nobel prize fame to her country.</p>
<p>4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don’t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)<br />
Basically it is just a hot &amp; sizzling accusatopm, it&#8217;s fun to include those line in, e.g. Anwar &amp; Sukma case.</p>
<p>5. Is racial discrimination per se bad?<br />
UMNO fight for Ketuanaan Melayu, not Ketuanaan Rakyat?</p>
<p>Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?<br />
If those who oppose can get 2/3 majority, then it matters.</p>
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		<title>By: kickbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kickbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me??? Muahahaha....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me??? Muahahaha&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what the oxygen grazer does: can&#039;t engage in meaningful discourse. Come on, answer the questions i have for you above. But i guess this is all you have got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what the oxygen grazer does: can&#8217;t engage in meaningful discourse. Come on, answer the questions i have for you above. But i guess this is all you have got.</p>
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		<title>By: kickbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kickbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I could! The foul stench of a dead rat is everywhere. I gotta run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I could! The foul stench of a dead rat is everywhere. I gotta run!</p>
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		<title>By: LadyGodiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyGodiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t you smell the stench! I detect the odor of a dead rat in the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t you smell the stench! I detect the odor of a dead rat in the room.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/29/isa-release-of-hindraf-5-first-post-march-8-test-for-mca-mic-gerakan/comment-page-2/#comment-94888</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undergrad2 says:  &quot;Rather than abolish the ISA we should ‘abolish’ those who use it for purposes unintended by Parliament when it passed the law. It is important that we not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Suffice it to say that the “evil” lies not in the legislation but in its arbitrary use and abuse.&quot;


NO, the evil is in the legislation itself.  If the legislation has not said so, the executive branch would not be able to abuse it.  

Poor analogy - it is not throwing the baby out with the bath water.  If we want safeguards, the legislation must specifically and unequivocally say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undergrad2 says:  &#8220;Rather than abolish the ISA we should ‘abolish’ those who use it for purposes unintended by Parliament when it passed the law. It is important that we not throw the baby out with the bath water.<br />
Suffice it to say that the “evil” lies not in the legislation but in its arbitrary use and abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>NO, the evil is in the legislation itself.  If the legislation has not said so, the executive branch would not be able to abuse it.  </p>
<p>Poor analogy &#8211; it is not throwing the baby out with the bath water.  If we want safeguards, the legislation must specifically and unequivocally say so.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undergrad2 says: &quot;Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the BN government would do well not to ignore.&quot;

What legal or constitutional basis have you got?  To what extent you want to give the royalty and the Agong the &quot;personal discretion&quot;?  Someday, can this discretion be detrimental to democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undergrad2 says: &#8220;Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the BN government would do well not to ignore.&#8221;</p>
<p>What legal or constitutional basis have you got?  To what extent you want to give the royalty and the Agong the &#8220;personal discretion&#8221;?  Someday, can this discretion be detrimental to democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One commentator says: &quot;You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a foreign organization supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?&quot;

1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don&#039;t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?
2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?
3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?
4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don&#039;t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)
5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One commentator says: &#8220;You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a foreign organization supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?&#8221;</p>
<p>1. Is street protest a legitimate act? (please don&#8217;t confuse with legal or illegal ok); Who actually converted a street protect into a violent protest?<br />
2. Is soliciting foreign support for a legitimate cause an illegal act?<br />
3. Is it wrong to draw inspiration from anywhere including from a foreign country?<br />
4. What evidence have you got that Hindraf sought help from an organisation supportive of terrorism? (pls don&#8217;t deny, lots of things are said by implication.)<br />
5. Is racial discrimination per se bad? Does it matter one seek support to get rid of discrimination from anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Sammy is the old soldiers! he will fight till 100 yrs old. The old indian don&#039;t die, he jus went bald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sammy is the old soldiers! he will fight till 100 yrs old. The old indian don&#8217;t die, he jus went bald.</p>
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		<title>By: pohwatchdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>pohwatchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dato Samy is right.  Release the 5 Hindraf detainee.Give due respect to Dato Samy. Sungai Siput (U) have progress very well since 1974.
Emotional vote by Indians deprive him another shot.  

No doubt... we are not prefect. DAP leaders had given the chance.  Prove your capabilities to serve the rakyat. Improve the quality of our life.  ADUN Jalong should keep her promise to stay in Sungai Siput (U)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dato Samy is right.  Release the 5 Hindraf detainee.Give due respect to Dato Samy. Sungai Siput (U) have progress very well since 1974.<br />
Emotional vote by Indians deprive him another shot.  </p>
<p>No doubt&#8230; we are not prefect. DAP leaders had given the chance.  Prove your capabilities to serve the rakyat. Improve the quality of our life.  ADUN Jalong should keep her promise to stay in Sungai Siput (U)</p>
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		<title>By: One4All4One</title>
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		<dc:creator>One4All4One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HINDRAF 5

JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HINDRAF 5</p>
<p>JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED</p>
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		<title>By: sotong</title>
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		<dc:creator>sotong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to UMNO, nothing could save the smaller component parties in BN.

They have grossly neglected the basic rights of their community under the Constitution and as responsible, peaceful and hard working INDIVIDUALS who contributed significantly to the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to UMNO, nothing could save the smaller component parties in BN.</p>
<p>They have grossly neglected the basic rights of their community under the Constitution and as responsible, peaceful and hard working INDIVIDUALS who contributed significantly to the country.</p>
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		<title>By: drselva</title>
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		<dc:creator>drselva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Indians in ISA: We have no representations in this country. Indians are  like &quot;anak yatim piatu&quot;. The only way to release the Innocent Hindraff 5 from ISA is; MIC, MCA, PPP and Gerakan leaders must persuade the PM and make the Indians  happy. Till then you people will be unpopular among them and other Malaysians. This is your last chance to prove yourself that you are not what they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Indians in ISA: We have no representations in this country. Indians are  like &#8220;anak yatim piatu&#8221;. The only way to release the Innocent Hindraff 5 from ISA is; MIC, MCA, PPP and Gerakan leaders must persuade the PM and make the Indians  happy. Till then you people will be unpopular among them and other Malaysians. This is your last chance to prove yourself that you are not what they think.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOULD THE BN GOVERNMENT SURVIVE ANOTHER FACE-OFF?


Sec. 11 of the Internal Security Act (ISA) allows for review  all detentions by an independent board i.e. the Advisory Board. Currently, the recommendations by this Board are not binding on the government and are ignored.



 Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to  initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the  BN government would do well not to ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOULD THE BN GOVERNMENT SURVIVE ANOTHER FACE-OFF?</p>
<p>Sec. 11 of the Internal Security Act (ISA) allows for review  all detentions by an independent board i.e. the Advisory Board. Currently, the recommendations by this Board are not binding on the government and are ignored.</p>
<p> Since the Board is appointed by the Agong albeit on the advice of the Prime Minister, and judging from the growing independence in the use of his personal discretion there is some hope yet that the Agong could use his personal discretion to  initiate some sort of review by the Board whose recommendations the  BN government would do well not to ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...wonder who is the terror behind all these?
Allegedly bought ACJ 319 VIP jet from Airbus costing between US$55 million and US$60 million, but denied the claim in January last year, saying that the government had only leased the aircraft from national carrier Malaysia Airlines Bhd and that that the plane was not for his use alone.

Alleged by Turkish newspaper Hurriyet to have ordered a RM30 million super-luxury yacht in August 2006, alongside a claim that he had been in Bodrum to check on progress - Abdullah denied it and was mulling legal action against the newspaper.

Initially linked to ownership of a RM60 million mansion in Perth, Australia, in April 2007 but subsequent reports quoting son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin said the house belongs to the PM’s son, Kamaludin.

Implicated in a UN agency independent report in the worldwide oil-for-food scandal involving Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, but denied doing anything more than signing papers endorsing people in business.The report traced payment of US$10 million by Mastek Sdn Bhd, originally registered as a sawn timber company and a dormant company revived by Abdullah’s sister-in-law Noor Asiah Mahmood, her ex-husband Faek Ahmad Shareef and businessperson Jaya Sudhir.

Awarded the RM25 billion Penang Global City Centre project to Abad Naluri - a 25 percent-owned associate firm of Taman Equine which is wholly owned by developer Equine Capital, whose executive chairman Patrick Lim has close ties to Abdullah.

Awarded the RM3.4 billion Penang monorail project to Penang Port and Scomi Group, in which Kamaludin holds the controlling stake; Scomi has also been refurbishing railway coaches for Malayan Railway, acting as contractors to Petronas and has reportedly made a bid for the Penang Second bridge project.

In February 2004, BBC reported that Scomi subsidiary, Scomi Precision Engineering Sdn Bhd was making centrifuge for export to Libya, for nuclear devices. Two years later, the CEO and four executives of Mitutoyo Corporation were arrested by the Tokyo police for the connection of sale of equipment to Scomi, for the production of these centrifuge. Scomi disclaimed knowledge of the intended use of the parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;wonder who is the terror behind all these?<br />
Allegedly bought ACJ 319 VIP jet from Airbus costing between US$55 million and US$60 million, but denied the claim in January last year, saying that the government had only leased the aircraft from national carrier Malaysia Airlines Bhd and that that the plane was not for his use alone.</p>
<p>Alleged by Turkish newspaper Hurriyet to have ordered a RM30 million super-luxury yacht in August 2006, alongside a claim that he had been in Bodrum to check on progress &#8211; Abdullah denied it and was mulling legal action against the newspaper.</p>
<p>Initially linked to ownership of a RM60 million mansion in Perth, Australia, in April 2007 but subsequent reports quoting son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin said the house belongs to the PM’s son, Kamaludin.</p>
<p>Implicated in a UN agency independent report in the worldwide oil-for-food scandal involving Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, but denied doing anything more than signing papers endorsing people in business.The report traced payment of US$10 million by Mastek Sdn Bhd, originally registered as a sawn timber company and a dormant company revived by Abdullah’s sister-in-law Noor Asiah Mahmood, her ex-husband Faek Ahmad Shareef and businessperson Jaya Sudhir.</p>
<p>Awarded the RM25 billion Penang Global City Centre project to Abad Naluri &#8211; a 25 percent-owned associate firm of Taman Equine which is wholly owned by developer Equine Capital, whose executive chairman Patrick Lim has close ties to Abdullah.</p>
<p>Awarded the RM3.4 billion Penang monorail project to Penang Port and Scomi Group, in which Kamaludin holds the controlling stake; Scomi has also been refurbishing railway coaches for Malayan Railway, acting as contractors to Petronas and has reportedly made a bid for the Penang Second bridge project.</p>
<p>In February 2004, BBC reported that Scomi subsidiary, Scomi Precision Engineering Sdn Bhd was making centrifuge for export to Libya, for nuclear devices. Two years later, the CEO and four executives of Mitutoyo Corporation were arrested by the Tokyo police for the connection of sale of equipment to Scomi, for the production of these centrifuge. Scomi disclaimed knowledge of the intended use of the parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Come2Papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Come2Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why only the Hindraf 5? What about the others?? Are they a security threat too? Why only Indians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why only the Hindraf 5? What about the others?? Are they a security threat too? Why only Indians?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Tan Kok Hauw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Tan Kok Hauw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RELEASE HINDRAF 5 IMMEDIATELY!

They were just telling BN government the plight and sufferings of Indian in Malaysia. How could BN arrest them under the ISA just based on a police report implicating them with TTER terrorist group?

So, if I make a police report alleging that Samy Vellu despoil the wealth of Malaysia and Indian, will Syed Hamid incarcerate Samy Vellu  under the ISA?

BN if you have evidence against them just prove it in court, if you do not do it you are just a castrated eunuch and coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RELEASE HINDRAF 5 IMMEDIATELY!</p>
<p>They were just telling BN government the plight and sufferings of Indian in Malaysia. How could BN arrest them under the ISA just based on a police report implicating them with TTER terrorist group?</p>
<p>So, if I make a police report alleging that Samy Vellu despoil the wealth of Malaysia and Indian, will Syed Hamid incarcerate Samy Vellu  under the ISA?</p>
<p>BN if you have evidence against them just prove it in court, if you do not do it you are just a castrated eunuch and coward.</p>
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		<title>By: lakilompat</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakilompat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The govt. just wanted to redeem their pride since everyone has rejected them, the states Rakyat from the 5 states, and the royal family from Perlis &amp; Terengganu. If they continue to detain the Hindraf 5 at least for some time, they can shows the opposition, look here what u guys can do? we are stil in power, we don&#039;t give in to any s....t or threat!

They don&#039;t care even lawyer said is unconstitution, they can said the appointment of MB is unconstitution in Perlis &amp; Terengganu, the use of ISA is also unconstitution but as long as within Pak Lah order, he will use it. Why Sultan can use his power to appoint MB? Now Pak Lah jus want to show rakyat he got power to use ISA even though the opposition has won but still there&#039;s not much opposition can do, he don&#039;t even care abt. YB Karpal Singth, YB LKS, and other opposition leaders plight to release them. I really feel sad, this guy is making me a Rakyat Malaysia want to fill the ISA detention camp so that they ran out the capacity. I suggest we have a big march if they continue like that, really unjust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The govt. just wanted to redeem their pride since everyone has rejected them, the states Rakyat from the 5 states, and the royal family from Perlis &amp; Terengganu. If they continue to detain the Hindraf 5 at least for some time, they can shows the opposition, look here what u guys can do? we are stil in power, we don&#8217;t give in to any s&#8230;.t or threat!</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t care even lawyer said is unconstitution, they can said the appointment of MB is unconstitution in Perlis &amp; Terengganu, the use of ISA is also unconstitution but as long as within Pak Lah order, he will use it. Why Sultan can use his power to appoint MB? Now Pak Lah jus want to show rakyat he got power to use ISA even though the opposition has won but still there&#8217;s not much opposition can do, he don&#8217;t even care abt. YB Karpal Singth, YB LKS, and other opposition leaders plight to release them. I really feel sad, this guy is making me a Rakyat Malaysia want to fill the ISA detention camp so that they ran out the capacity. I suggest we have a big march if they continue like that, really unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: kickbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kickbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is not so much the release of some from a particular organization deemed as having links to terrorism but the release of all detained under the ISA. Charge them, release them on bail or release them unconditionally. Why should  these people be denied their right to due process?


&quot;Having myself being detained twice for a total of 35 months under the ISA, I can vouch that ISA detentions had been used as political instruments to suppress dissent which have no relationship whatsoever with national security – and the ISA detention of the five Hindraf leaders fall directly under this category!&quot; Kit

You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal  to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a  foreign organization  supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?

Let all detainees   be charged or released unconditionally and without bail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is not so much the release of some from a particular organization deemed as having links to terrorism but the release of all detained under the ISA. Charge them, release them on bail or release them unconditionally. Why should  these people be denied their right to due process?</p>
<p>&#8220;Having myself being detained twice for a total of 35 months under the ISA, I can vouch that ISA detentions had been used as political instruments to suppress dissent which have no relationship whatsoever with national security – and the ISA detention of the five Hindraf leaders fall directly under this category!&#8221; Kit</p>
<p>You did not lead street protests in the nature of what we saw, and you did not appeal  to a foreign government to interfere in what is essentially a domestic affair of a sovereign state; or base your struggle or draw your inspiration on the activities of a  foreign organization  supportive of terrorism. Or did you? Did you travel to China to get support of the Chinese government to stop the racial discrimination here? Or did you?</p>
<p>Let all detainees   be charged or released unconditionally and without bail.</p>
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		<title>By: MWong</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamid and Pak Lah are certainly still in their slumber land..

1) &quot;React to political parties&#039; calls?&quot; 

What bout the ONE MILLION SIGNATURE petition? It is the voice of the rakyat, and it should be the thing that matters most!

2) &quot;give priority to public safety and peace...”

If the HINDRAF Leaders are deemed to be as scary, threatenin&#039;, and destructive as what BN has described, why did the ISA detainee has not only won, but won with big majority? Remb, the ballot is the expression of the rakyat voice.

Are we not concern bout our own safety n peace to have voted someone associated with &quot;terrorism&quot; IN? C&#039;mon BN, is time to come to ur senses and reliaties, dont use ur &quot;bad means&quot; to justify &quot;good ends&quot;. We&#039;ve had enough! Rakyats are not as stupid as you. FREE THE HINDRAF 5!

Btw, Uncle Lim, any chance to post the first cabinet on youtube? Cant wait!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamid and Pak Lah are certainly still in their slumber land..</p>
<p>1) &#8220;React to political parties&#8217; calls?&#8221; </p>
<p>What bout the ONE MILLION SIGNATURE petition? It is the voice of the rakyat, and it should be the thing that matters most!</p>
<p>2) &#8220;give priority to public safety and peace&#8230;”</p>
<p>If the HINDRAF Leaders are deemed to be as scary, threatenin&#8217;, and destructive as what BN has described, why did the ISA detainee has not only won, but won with big majority? Remb, the ballot is the expression of the rakyat voice.</p>
<p>Are we not concern bout our own safety n peace to have voted someone associated with &#8220;terrorism&#8221; IN? C&#8217;mon BN, is time to come to ur senses and reliaties, dont use ur &#8220;bad means&#8221; to justify &#8220;good ends&#8221;. We&#8217;ve had enough! Rakyats are not as stupid as you. FREE THE HINDRAF 5!</p>
<p>Btw, Uncle Lim, any chance to post the first cabinet on youtube? Cant wait!!</p>
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