Comments on: Education - for Malaysians or Races http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/ for Malaysia Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:48:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: lakilompat http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-99327 lakilompat Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:49:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-99327 “Satu Negara Satu Identiti” Monopolistic race is not possible for Malaysian, the Federal & Opposition state do no have a monopolistic concept; hence, this is not feasible. “Satu Negara Satu Identiti” Monopolistic race is not possible for Malaysian, the Federal & Opposition state do no have a monopolistic concept; hence, this is not feasible.

]]> By: Orang-asli http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-95033 Orang-asli Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:17:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-95033 Sincere Challage - "Satu Negara Satu Identiti" - Sekolah Malaysia Do you agree that we must have only one primary SEKOLAH type irrespective any other all races interest - e.g in Indonesia I have gone through some of the comments posted on this site. A lot of complains/comments posted here to share thier experience and dispointment. Some of the comments reflect thier racial interests upon another racial interests. Some of the complains favour thier particular races interest because they think they are very smart or have a right compared to others. They claims this is thier right. They just simply comment and compared with singapore and Taiwan (Chinese dominant states). They only tought what is only best about them/thier races other than all Malaysian. Do away with races based (type) schools and Introduce only SEKOLAH (Kebangsaan) irrespective of thier mother though Bangsa Malaysia does not means assimilation - In this case, means they must adopt one common thing Here the most relevant one is BAHASA - We no longer needs Primary type school for Tamil (SRJK-Tamil) and Chinese (SRJK (Chinese) We do need only Sekolah Kebangsan (Malaysia) to foster better intergrity and unity like in Indonesia. I hope DAP with it "MOTO" or strungle for Malaysia Malaysian must agree to this principle, if they are sincere. Bahasa Melayu must be the medium, english (second) however other lenguage (mother tough) can be taught as usual as a language subjects like in university) By having only SK, all the goverment resources and effort can be optimized and racial intergrity can be speed-up. Sceptical to ecahe other could be abolished etc Kids from sort of live style, mother tough and culture background can have common language and start to know each other without prejudice right from day one in school. At the same time other languages still can be thought as normall during normal school like in the University. Do you agree LIM KIT SIANG If DAP strungle for Malaysia Malaysian - They must agreed to this principle, otherwise other thing only just a political rethoric or for their political goal only especially to win the political goal for non-Malay goal. I respects non-Malay communities in Malaysia I they can adapt this challange Malaysia identity should reflects the Nusantara identity. A challange to DAP Orang-Asli Sincere Challage - “Satu Negara Satu Identiti” - Sekolah Malaysia

Do you agree that we must have only one primary SEKOLAH type irrespective any other all races interest - e.g in Indonesia

I have gone through some of the comments posted on this site. A lot of complains/comments posted here to share thier experience and dispointment.

Some of the comments reflect thier racial interests upon another racial interests. Some of the complains favour thier particular races interest because they think they are very smart or have a right compared to others. They claims this is thier right. They just simply comment and compared with singapore and Taiwan (Chinese dominant states). They only tought what is only best about them/thier races other than all Malaysian.

Do away with races based (type) schools and Introduce only SEKOLAH (Kebangsaan) irrespective of thier mother though

Bangsa Malaysia does not means assimilation -
In this case, means they must adopt one common thing

Here the most relevant one is

BAHASA - We no longer needs Primary type school for Tamil (SRJK-Tamil) and Chinese (SRJK (Chinese)

We do need only Sekolah Kebangsan (Malaysia) to foster better intergrity and unity like in Indonesia.

I hope DAP with it “MOTO” or strungle for Malaysia Malaysian must agree to this principle, if they are sincere. Bahasa Melayu must be the medium, english (second) however other lenguage (mother tough) can be taught as usual as a language subjects like in university)

By having only SK, all the goverment resources and effort can be optimized and racial intergrity can be speed-up. Sceptical to ecahe other could be abolished etc

Kids from sort of live style, mother tough and culture background can have common language and start to know each other without prejudice right from day one in school. At the same time other languages still can be thought as normall during normal school like in the University.

Do you agree LIM KIT SIANG

If DAP strungle for Malaysia Malaysian - They must agreed to this principle, otherwise other thing only just a political rethoric or for their political goal only especially to win the political goal for non-Malay goal. I respects non-Malay communities in Malaysia I they can adapt this challange

Malaysia identity should reflects the Nusantara identity.

A challange to DAP

Orang-Asli

]]> By: Warrior of Cookies http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94546 Warrior of Cookies Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:25:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94546 I have been denied my academic years too but what doesn’t kill us, will only make us stronger and tougher persons. I have been denied my academic years too but what doesn’t kill us, will only make us stronger and tougher persons.

]]> By: Warrior of Cookies http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94543 Warrior of Cookies Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:16:47 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94543 Whatever brain-drain situation is the damn Gomen's creation. This Gomen doesn't value smart people. If they do have smart people, we wouldn't be able to see education minister wielded the keris. Simple reflection that Kerismudin is not smart politically and failed pathetically. Can we still count on this type of bozo the clown minister to lift the education to the next level? I wonder.....!!! If yes, prove it by changing the existing lame education system...!!! It is always a blessing for those brilliant students being accepted into Unis & Poly in Singapore simply because Malaysia's Gomen has betrayed and abandoned them in the first place...!!! Whatever brain-drain situation is the damn Gomen’s creation. This Gomen doesn’t value smart people. If they do have smart people, we wouldn’t be able to see education minister wielded the keris. Simple reflection that Kerismudin is not smart politically and failed pathetically. Can we still count on this type of bozo the clown minister to lift the education to the next level? I wonder…..!!! If yes, prove it by changing the existing lame education system…!!!

It is always a blessing for those brilliant students being accepted into Unis & Poly in Singapore simply because Malaysia’s Gomen has betrayed and abandoned them in the first place…!!!

]]> By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94539 lopez Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:51:37 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94539 I learnt from our Malaysian schools the phrase " a fact is a fact" it was used quite regularly during my days then, but i hardly knew its meaning until i was in my tertiary levels. Well it is a fact that our Malaysian school system and our children has been victims of experimentation since 1973....and who was that SOB who started it all.....I wish he go nuts Since then experiments after experiments until get kampong degrees to its finest...another first for bodohland. Though I was deny of my academic years by those experimentation, I learnt that Knowledge is dangerous but insufficient knowledge is even more dangerous.......i read it some where.. Our newspaper makes things worst, half truths and pure lies makes the truth sound so real. I opine that in order to quickly mitigate the sad situation and apply the following damage control measures. We must..... 1. get the politicians out from the schools, teaching staff and school staff and MOE staff must not be allowed to join political parties. 2. no preaching of any type religions to children in schools ( arrange for separate time table for children whose parents wish to have ) 3. remove religious content from the text books and curriculum. 4. Instill learning by doing either individually or in group. 5. Reinstate "respect thy neighbhour", especially in food choices in the canteen, encourage bring your own food. 6. Remove mandatory purchases of wares, articles endorsed by headmaster, schools or MOE. 7. Remove mandatory purchase of school endorsed stationaries. this could be a good start....since this the biggest problem of malaysians schools troubling the young minds and parents minds and pocket. FIRST AND FOREMOST Start by sacking the headmasters / mistress who are politically affiliated , motivated, racist, ultra vires in actions and speech. Many parents are victims of the experimentation of the 1970's. There are also many of us who survive too. Let kick them out before too much harm are done to our children friends. I learnt from our Malaysian schools the phrase ” a fact is a fact”
it was used quite regularly during my days then, but i hardly knew its meaning until i was in my tertiary levels.

Well it is a fact that our Malaysian school system and our children has been victims of experimentation since 1973….and who was that SOB who started it all…..I wish he go nuts

Since then experiments after experiments until get kampong degrees to its finest…another first for bodohland.

Though I was deny of my academic years by those experimentation, I learnt that Knowledge is dangerous but insufficient knowledge is even more dangerous…….i read it some where..
Our newspaper makes things worst, half truths and pure lies makes the truth sound so real.

I opine that in order to quickly mitigate the sad situation and apply the following damage control measures.
We must…..
1. get the politicians out from the schools, teaching staff and school staff and MOE staff must not be allowed to join political parties.
2. no preaching of any type religions to children in schools ( arrange for separate time table for children whose parents wish to have )
3. remove religious content from the text books and curriculum.
4. Instill learning by doing either individually or in group.
5. Reinstate “respect thy neighbhour”, especially in food choices in the canteen, encourage bring your own food.
6. Remove mandatory purchases of wares, articles endorsed by headmaster, schools or MOE.
7. Remove mandatory purchase of school endorsed stationaries.

this could be a good start….since this the biggest problem of malaysians schools troubling the young minds and parents minds and pocket.

FIRST AND FOREMOST
Start by sacking the headmasters / mistress who are politically affiliated , motivated, racist, ultra vires in actions and speech.

Many parents are victims of the experimentation of the 1970’s.
There are also many of us who survive too.

Let kick them out before too much harm are done to our children friends.

]]> By: cherrypink http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94275 cherrypink Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:59:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94275 Uncle Lim, I suggest reading John Lee's blog; his posts regarding Malaysia's deteriorating quality of education is similar to mine. http://www.infernalramblings.com/ Those posts are categorized under the "Malaysian Education" category. Uncle Lim, I suggest reading John Lee’s blog; his posts regarding Malaysia’s deteriorating quality of education is similar to mine.

http://www.infernalramblings.com/

Those posts are categorized under the “Malaysian Education” category.

]]> By: bystander http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94017 bystander Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:37:18 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-94017 Chinese primary school is a MUST for all chinese. even indians and malays send their children recognising the values and quality. National schools whether primary or secondary especially headed by LMNs are the pits of education not mean for educating your young. Why do you think kerimudin would not sent his children there but oversea instead. This will not change until Kerismudin the racist is replaced. Chinese primary school is a MUST for all chinese. even indians and malays send their children recognising the values and quality. National schools whether primary or secondary especially headed by LMNs are the pits of education not mean for educating your young. Why do you think kerimudin would not sent his children there but oversea instead. This will not change until Kerismudin the racist is replaced.

]]> By: waterfrontcoolie http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-93970 waterfrontcoolie Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:32:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-93970 I was a teacher for a few years, teaching in national schools, meaning ,mainly Malay students. In the late 60s and early 70s, I guessed 'things' were not that obvious; meaning non-Malay teachers were 'acceptable', I believe even today, they are still 'respected.' All the non-Malay teachers that I came across had never had the thought that the students should be treated differently. So when my daughter 'migrated' from the Chinese primary school to the national school, she had the shock of her life when the supposedly educated head-mistress informed her and her friend, that notwithstanding their 7As ,they would not be put in the A-Class! Just because, they came from the Chinese primary school!! Both of them actually came out with better English and Bahasa results than their form-mates! And having seen both of them grew out and ventured into the world to seek their fortune, I must say, they easily topped the 1% of their form-mates in their achievements!! So to malaysiaunited, like you, i used to think that those mother-tongue schools should be done away with. That was twenty years ago!! Having seen what transpired in the national schools, the objective of racial integration might not be achieveable, unless school heads are scrutinized for their ideologies before being given the posts. At the moment, that remains a dream so long that the power that be, thinks that division of the community is their source of strength to control. Hence , i would not advocate the abolition of the primary schools based on mother tongue. In fact, i met many so-called English educated parents who wanted to send their children to such schools merely because they have had lost faith in the national-types. When asked, they said they had no other choice, even to the extent of picking up the mother tongue with their children!! So to those parents who are desperate, have faith, if your children are what you SINCERELY think what they are, they will achieve what they aspire to do, sooner or later. i know many parents seem to think that scoring a number of As at the school certificate level must mean the world is there for the taking. please, that is just the begining of the first step. Life can only be measured after they have walked their whole career path. Being a doctor or lawyer is wonderful for the pride of the family, but doing well at it requires passion, natural talent and perserverence! as they have said it , it is better to be a king in the gutter tahn be a slave in the palace. while writing this note, I just spoke to the small time contractor who was engaged to do some repairs to my old house. We called him, because he appeared to be the most reasonable we came across. he told me, he couls get 10 to 12k per month with his crew of two foreigners and an old pick-up. He got 6 years of education but some how, he is able to estimaye his cost rather well. Some time, the high sounding career may be good for the pride but if one is only average in the head, this could be better. So unless one can be in the top 10% bracket, maybe doing the more practical things in life can be less of a headache. I say this because I have come across parents moaning about their children not getting this and that courses based on what i would say a very average talent in spite of the results in SPM! So don't moan! the challenges in the world are still there for those who can take the challenges!! I was a teacher for a few years, teaching in national schools, meaning ,mainly Malay students. In the late 60s and early 70s, I guessed ‘things’ were not that obvious; meaning non-Malay teachers were ‘acceptable’, I believe even today, they are still ‘respected.’ All the non-Malay teachers that I came across had never had the thought that the students should be treated differently.
So when my daughter ‘migrated’ from the Chinese primary school to the national school, she had the shock of her life when the supposedly educated head-mistress informed her and her friend, that notwithstanding their 7As ,they would not be put in the A-Class! Just because, they came from the Chinese primary school!!
Both of them actually came out with better English and Bahasa results than their form-mates! And having seen both of them grew out and ventured into the world to seek their fortune, I must say, they easily topped the 1% of their form-mates in their achievements!!
So to malaysiaunited, like you, i used to think that those mother-tongue schools should be done away with. That was twenty years ago!! Having seen what transpired in the national schools, the objective of racial integration might not be achieveable, unless school heads are scrutinized for their ideologies before being given the posts.
At the moment, that remains a dream so long that the power that be, thinks that division of the community is their source of strength to control.
Hence , i would not advocate the abolition of the primary schools based on mother tongue. In fact, i met many so-called English educated parents who wanted to send their children to such schools merely because they have had lost faith in the national-types. When asked, they said they had no other choice, even to the extent of picking up the mother tongue with their children!!
So to those parents who are desperate, have faith, if your children are what you SINCERELY think what they are, they will achieve what they aspire to do, sooner or later.
i know many parents seem to think that scoring a number of As at the school certificate level must mean the world is there for the taking. please, that is just the begining of the first step. Life can only be measured after they have walked their whole career path. Being a doctor or lawyer is wonderful for the pride of the family, but doing well at it requires passion, natural talent and perserverence!
as they have said it , it is better to be a king in the gutter tahn be a slave in the palace. while writing this note, I just spoke to the small time contractor who was engaged to do some repairs to my old house. We called him, because he appeared to be the most reasonable we came across. he told me, he couls get 10 to 12k per month with his crew of two foreigners and an old pick-up. He got 6 years of education but some how, he is able to estimaye his cost rather well.
Some time, the high sounding career may be good for the pride but if one is only average in the head, this could be better. So unless one can be in the top 10% bracket, maybe doing the more practical things in life can be less of a headache.
I say this because I have come across parents moaning about their children not getting this and that courses based on what i would say a very average talent in spite of the results in SPM!
So don’t moan! the challenges in the world are still there for those who can take the challenges!!

]]> By: lopez http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-93923 lopez Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:27:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/03/27/education-for-malaysians-or-races/#comment-93923 when i was young and that ws 50 years ago, i also heard the same "phrase" brain drain" and today in the millenium in bodohland we still have brain drain...how pathetic... my friends were part of that brain drain too, by our standards those days we had similar result scores. So what brain drain many of today's malaysians are talking about, for all i know you are also just as bright , so stop the calling brain drain it is more like you are being deny of your abilities and opportunities by some quarters of our society. Dream on , roti canai and live FA cup will keep many of u satisfied. when i was young and that ws 50 years ago, i also heard the same “phrase” brain drain” and today in the millenium in bodohland we still have brain drain…how pathetic…
my friends were part of that brain drain too, by our standards those days we had similar result scores.
So what brain drain many of today’s malaysians are talking about, for all i know you are also just as bright , so stop the calling brain drain
it is more like you are being deny of your abilities and opportunities by some quarters of our society.

Dream on , roti canai and live FA cup will keep many of u satisfied.

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