Brave new M’sian identity emerging?


by Dr. Azly Rahman
http://www.azlyrahman-illuminations.blogspot.com/

“Our government teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” -Louis D Brandeis (American Supreme Court Justice, 1856-1941).

I do not wish to remove from my present prison to a prison a little larger. I wish to break all prisons. -Ralph Waldo Emerson, American transcendentalist.

The second wave of Independence, achieved with the storming of the “Bastille that is Putrajaya” in March 2008, in a phenomena called “implo-volution” in which the old regime was crushed by its own weight of contradiction and one whose ruins were charted some fifty years ago, present an interesting possibility. It is that of the ethnogenesis (emerging new culture) of a new Malaysian identity. Political will is complementing this philosophical vision. The Internet is aiding in speeding up the process.

The wave is forcing the various ethnic groups to think of defining itself as a ” new nation” when power-sharing of a truly multicultural nature at the state level is becoming a reality. Not only the different ethnic groups are fairly represented in what I call the “yellow” states of “Perak and Selangor” but religious background of the state leaders are also playing a key role in the evolving nature of the leadership.

The yellow states are forging ahead with care – aware of the sensitivities of the different ethnic and religious groups, focusing on the pragmatics and ethics drawn from each cultural tradition. Thus, we saw Penang CM Lim Guan Eng refusing to use thousands of ringgit of state funds to move to a new office, we saw the Kedah chief minister and we saw the continuation of Kelantan chief minister’s commitment to the principles of Islam in governing the state with prudence and tolerance.

What is displayed is Confucianist-Taoist ideas and Islamic brand of ethical leadership – two seemingly radical philosophies that actually complement each other. When it comes to statecraft, both are useful in forming as basis for a philosophy of governance that appeals to the Malays and the Chinese. These ideals are no different that the ones taught in Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and the cultural philosophy of the natives of Sabah and Sarawak and of the Orang Asli.

The “ethics of authenticity” as philosopher Charles Taylor would put it, is universal enough to be a guiding light of this new nation. Ethics by any name is a system of check and balances of the Evil and the Good within. It is the Middle Path of Inner Statecraft.

Istana Zakaria and pondok Nik Aziz

In speaking of the manifestations of the excesses of greed and the imbalance of evil within, two installations of polar opposites are worth quoting as semiotics of conspicuous consumption, in a country such as Malaysia.

The old and dying regime, Barisan Nasional too consists of Chinese and Malays. But the evolution of racial-politics necessitated the development of a style of leadership that requires extra-ethical means to be employed in order for power to be sustained via the control of wealth and resources. Not only these are controlled but they are displayed conspicuously and of late, with arrogance. This brought about the shocking defeat of the 50-year-old seemingly indestructible machine. The excess of this image of conspicuous consumption is in the Istana Zakaria.

The alter image to Istana Zakaria would probably be the house that Tuan Guru Nik Aziz inhabits. But why do we have these contradictions? How have we come to this historical juncture in which the moral compass of the national leaders are misplaced or even lost and what we are seeing are the consequence of the capitalist system that is rearing its ugly immoral head. We have created monsters out of the freedom we give human beings to profit from the consumerist capitalist system we created out of the fear of socialism and Communism.

Billionaires and multi-millionaires in this nation are creations of a system. They are the products of the evolution of individuals that are installed by the institutions derived from the ideology of uncontrollable free enterprise constantly wanting to be freer and freer. Over a long period of time, the system creates a huge gap between the haves and the have-nots. It creates antagonism – of class and the hypermodern caste system. This is the Reaganomics of poverty – a mass deception of the “magic of the marketplace”.

As a nation, what do we want to be known as? How do we re-engineer another evolution? How do we maintain a sense of personal freedom in the process of crafting a synthesis of “national identity and freedom?” Will the Internet be the great deconstructor of such an identity, once we forget it?

There are multiple contradictions in these questions. They are worth exploring.

Themes of freedom

I suggest we explore these themes below, either out of your own interest or for your graduate work. I think these are fertile areas of research to help us contribute to the ongoing conversation on the politics of identity.

- Human nature and freedom

- National Front, freedom and its problems – based on political economy of identity formation

- People’s Front and freedom – even more problematic since we have multiple layers of identity, construction, deconstruction, and reconstruction of identity.

- New bumiputeraism.

- Archaeology of identity

- Philosophy of beingness

- Theology of existence

- Sociology of nationhood

- Technologies of the mind and body

- Education and cultural engineering.

- Culture critique and ethnogenesis

- Social reproduction and social relations of production

- Institutions and installations

- Self in society

These I believe are themes we will explore as Malaysia progresses into the age of postmodernity bringing forth the excesses of freedom in a world characterised by the rapidisation of technology and the heightening of chaos and complexity. The question of “freedom” will be more daunting as the politics of identity and the identity of politics become inter-twined.

What does “nation” mean? How must a nation be “free”? What kind of freedom must a nation enjoy and protect? In a consumerist society, how is freedom defined? How do bring the notion of freedom down to the grassroots level of the rakyat—how will we synthesise these notions?

Brazilian educator Paulo Freire would call this synthesis “praxis” in which the subjective and objective aspect of the phenomena under study become synthesised and transformed into action. The stage “cultural action for freedom” is an important aspect of this Malaysian revolution of 2008. How do we turn those at the grassroots level into active participants of the national development agenda? How do we teach them to reject all forms of state propaganda?

Freedom is an elusive concept and has its ambiguities. Mat Rempits think they are free and lead a life of total freedom, but who controls the production and reproduction of Mat Rempits. At another level, the power elites in the government think that they are guardians of Freedom/Merdeka but what is the meaning of freedom when those “corridors” built are institutions that will benefit the few and sell the country to foreign investors – in the name of progress.

Freedom is a prison-house of language

The new state governments in the yellow states (Kedah, Penang, Perak, Selangor and Kelantan) will need to showcase what freedom means and how the rakyat will benefit, in the most meaningful and tangible ways. What are the benchmarks of social justice and freedom that the rakyat will see in the agenda? How will “standards” of tolerance, justice, and peace be set and achieved – how will these be measured? How will the rakyat be the judge and the ones to decide if these standards are achieved?

We’re getting into a serious business of systemic and systematic change here, after the revolution.

Even fundamental is the question: who defines freedom? These themes below need to be explored in order to answer the question of the authorship of the definition of freedom:

- Needs versus wants

- Eco-philosophy

- Radical philosophy

- Poverty of culture and culture of poverty

Culture not merely and house we inhabit and the tools we use but both, evolvingly – technology shapes our consciousness.

Where do we go from here – in our exploration of two contradictory terms nationhood and freedom?

Let us discuss this question – as a new nation.

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  1. #1 by kickbutt on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:35 am

    “Where do we go from here – in our exploration of two contradictory terms nationhood and freedom?”

    I think you meant “statehood” instead of “nationhood’. “Nationhood” implies national consciousness which is separate and independent from its existence as a state, and without freedom there can be no national consciousness and vice versa. We have only achieved “statehood”.

  2. #2 by KeenWatcher_01 on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:50 am

    It is so ironic that we were not allowed to march to demonstrate and tell the government what is going wrong. But then we had the “Big March” of the year. That is “March 08 2008!”. Every voter came out marching. :…….. oh when the Saints go Marching in!

  3. #3 by aston on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 2:15 am

    Dear Mr Lim

    All problems can be solve by going to the main point.

    Please focus on the main point — education (Confucian is the best).

    I hope you (or your son) can establish one good school (as great kindergarten) in Penang.

    Please understand deeply from my advice.

    Thank you very much.

    Cordially

  4. #4 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 6:56 am

    Talking about Opposition’s running of “yellow” states of “Perak and Selangor” how exactly can Confucianist-Taoist ideas and Islamic brand of ethical leadership – two seemingly radical philosophies – actually complement each other when translated into governance????

    Is there real complementarily in theses two streams of thought and even if so, does such fusion tantamount to “ethics of authenticity” “universal enough to be a guiding light of this new nation”?

    In terms of “statecraft” to be showcased by Opposition for the nation, what kind of statecraft is that where “yellow” states of “Perak and Selangor” are supposed to combine ‘Confucianist-Taoist ideas and Islamic brand of ethical leadership’ whilst other states like (say)) Kedah and Kelantan, their chief ministers’ commitment is towards the principles of Islam based on prudence and tolerance only????

    In respect of questions raised – ‘how must a nation be “free”? What kind of freedom must a nation enjoy and protect? – what part do these traditional secular precepts of (a) separation of 3 branches of government (b) separation of law from private morality separation of religion from government play in the praxis as well as practice of governance by Opposition parties in the Penang, the “yellow” states of “Perak and Selangor” as well as the “green” states of Kedah and Kelantan, will governance be consistent and uniform or otherwise depending on whether they are yellow or green states???

    Can Dr. Azly Rahman give specifics and examples for concrete action plan (without the big and nebulous ideas expressed in big and abstract words) that common people of ordinary intellect like us can divine and understand???

  5. #5 by joehancl on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 7:17 am

    All malaysians must treasure March 8. It is when we all came together as one, voting and hoping, praying too for a new malaysia. By the grace of God, His guiding Light, our elected leaders must perservere to lead in integrity,transparency and fairness to all. All malaysians must learn to share. There is enough for all. Only for the greedy enough is never enough.

  6. #6 by billgates on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 7:32 am

    The people that we expect to uphold the nation’s Rukun Negara are themselves the betrayer through their political greed and hegemony. Their power (or they thought so) derived from championing one particular race and religion. They became too powerful as they again thought that they are indestructible and invisible.

    March 8 is not just a wake up call but the beginning of the end of racial based politics. The new gen are people who wants peace and harmony. I can see the cry for a Bangsa Malaysia is real.

    The fella who has wielded the Keris is again giving directive to all teachers and school head masters not to attend any DAP-PKR-PAS coalition functions and not to invite them to any school’s function.

    So the very people whom we expect to educate the society towards a united Malaysia is the very person who destroy UMNO and the nation.

    So BN, you have been given 50 years to develop a Malaysia Truly Asia but you have screwed it up.

  7. #7 by mendela on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 8:19 am

    Heard from reliable source tat he would call it a day tis Friday…

    So you punters out there should know wat to do with your stocks…

  8. #8 by k1980 on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 8:54 am

  9. #9 by Tickler on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:28 am

    Sultan tarik balik gelaran “Datuk” dari Idris Jusoh, Rosol Wahid dan Din Adam
    [ ]
    Sultan Terengganu yang juga Yang Dipertuan Agong marah dengan Idris Jusoh, Rosol Wahid dan Din Adam kerana bersikap “kurang ajar”. “Kami nak Derih natang!” begitulah yang tertulis disepanduk ketika Umno Terengganu berdemonstrasi menuntut jawatan MB diberi kepada Idris di Istana Terengganu.

    Penggunaan istilah “Natang” yang bermaksud Binatang dalam loghat Terengganu ini telah menimbulkan kemarahan rakyat Terengganu kerana dikatakan menghina Institusi Raja. Laporan polis telah dibuat mengenai isu ini.

    Damian has written on it, and there`s a pic:
    http://damianslyeo.blogspot.com/2008/03/maka-kami-rakyat-malaysia-berikrar.html

    Oh, and another pic here. Looks like they were going to town on it. So much for those who talk of `culture`:
    http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/03/melayu-wajib-membela-maruah-tuanku.html

  10. #10 by Tickler on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:29 am

    The Link for : “Sultan tarik balik gelaran “Datuk” dari Idris Jusoh, Rosol Wahid dan Din Adam”
    http://aminiskandar.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/sultan-tarik-balik-gelaran-datuk-dari-idris-jusoh-rosol-wahid-dan-din-adam/

  11. #11 by Tickler on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:36 am

    The English Version:
    Sultan of Terengganu withdraws Datukship titles from 3 treasoners!
    [ ]
    Idris Jusoh, Rosol Wahid and Din Adam are now plain commoners just like the rest of the vulgar bunch who thought that they could mess with the Sultan of Terengganu as they tried to show their ‘terror’ with demanding that the ‘Istana’ capitulate to their demands?
    http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/03/sultan-of-terengganu-withdraws.html

  12. #12 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:37 am

    “Our government teaches the whole people by its example ….”

    This is a very good statement … the Selangor state government should show a good example to the people …

    When we have the propaganda to “best use of talent” and hate “favourism” and “cronysm” … we must implement it …

    The selangor exco line up is against the propaganda, and without any reason establish that everyone want to understand … please dont operate in a blackbox

  13. #13 by Saint on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:41 am

    A useless essay for the BN.
    BN does not understand what a nation is, or what a society is about.
    But its gives hope for the new generation, provided the young minds are not poisoned or prevented from developing by imposing multi-million law damages.

    But as for the “two seemingly radical philosophies that actually complement each other” – we need to see the outcome of it in the next elections.

  14. #14 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:41 am

    Earlier on i heard is March 28th, the end of Pak Lah-Khairy era. Well, tats some prediction i get from insider.

    Pertaining to the capitalist dream a satay seller can build a palace, that’s purely a disgrace and failure of BN govt., is there anyone will believe that Dato Zakaria Mat Deros really save enough honest and hard earn money to build it? I saw the UMNo leader was there to pay the last tribute to him, is it necessary? such a person deserve the respect from leader of Malaysia? Whereas those really fight for their race, Hindraf was still detained under ISA. They only care abt the rich, but not really care abt the Rakyat.

  15. #15 by limkamput on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 9:54 am

    ric23_my, can you please stop using the word propaganda. it is wrong choice of word. And how many times you want to put up this posting?

  16. #16 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:08 am

    i will keep comments on abdullah government for wat is going wrong as we see since last time …

    and i will keep asking for an answer for this selangor issue as well …

    i am looking into the issue, not against a person!

    why cant you see issues in a neutral side?

  17. #17 by melurian on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:12 am

    i really don understand – it seems that all oppos members are GOOD guys, and all BN are BAD guys – is allright for BN to be extravagant spend millions refurbishing the residence, boycott swearing ceremony. Whereas oppos must jaga kelakuan, particularly DAP must be saint, humble and modest.

    i wonder if some oppos member caught adultery will be bashed much much worse than our glorious ex-health minister……

    really sicko.

  18. #18 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:12 am

    We keep asking for open tender, coz we understand if the tender is nothing going wrong, it should not a problem to show it …

    and i am asking for reason that everyone is curious to know about selangor esco, if nothing going wrong inside, why can give a reasonable statement … then no body will ask again

    it is as simple as that … unless there is no reason or not convincing reason, i cant see is there anything to hide

  19. #19 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:16 am

    melurian,

    it is commonly known that our ex-health minister can considered someone who can work, but remember this …

    if you put a good apple in a fridge that full of spoilt vege, the apple will imune itself, as the apple need to survive as well …

  20. #20 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:20 am

    To ric23_my the decision is final, a red card in a football match has been issued. Even a good scorer like Wayne Rooney might get red card or missed scoring opportunity. Don’t be sad, don’t blame on the referee or teammates for not passing the ball.

    If Pak Lah is still around and Khairy still in power, then it will be hard for Opposition State to push for reform, they can easily sabotage the plan.

    Look at DBKL, cables stolen this is all done by professional, or contractor themselves ordered by who else.

    They (Federal Govt.) will continue to sabotage every single plan from Opposition govt. Look at the Malay who wear a giogio armani spec at yesterday meeting with YB LGE, he said “open tender” serupa “Gergasi lawan kerdil” and he said “Kerdil need help & protection to defeat Gergasi” this is their weaknesses. With this sort of mentality it will continue to deprive the Malay not able to stand up to face up the challenge. I think it’s not true, they are many capable Malay who can do better job compare to its cronies. That’s why our Proton car (Milo tin) is so expensive compare to Japanese car and Korean car. Inorder to protect “Kerdil = Cronies” Rakyat have to burden themselves with huge debt. This is Malaysia not a country to protect dwarf. There’s no such constitution to protect dwarf = crony, they must use their brain to defeat Gergasi or giant. This is a country abt Meritocracy who can supply at cheaper rate get the contract. My friend tender a contract, he incorporated everything from his experiences, but end up the contract has been tendered by a person with higher cost, why? it is not logical, also he lost duit kopi cost abt RM 2K-4K.

  21. #21 by melurian on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:26 am

    funny headlines in the star – “Malay Chamber of Commerce wants fair deal in Penang”

    yeah, they will have “fairness” if they acquire 80%-90% contract from the state ……

    really sicko…

  22. #22 by melurian on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:29 am

    quote: “Sultan tarik balik gelaran “Datuk” dari Idris Jusoh, Rosol Wahid dan Din Adam”

    wow, and PM and his advisers and lawyers in PM department will shout back “This is unconstitutional!”

    why the sultan t’ganu aka agong withdraw PM’s “datuk seri”-ship for very same reason …..

  23. #23 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:35 am

    lakilompat,

    Some of your points make sense, and i agree with you as well. I against not towards you, but against some points that you have made …

    I understand for this fact very well … greedy is a human nature that cant be changed … A poor one who later become rich, will forgotten about the other poor one … A normal person who gain power, will attempt to get more power and forgot their principle …

    To ensure this will not happen, the only way is to have a transparent policy, written down or stated in black and white, as a guide or reference for everyone … when anyone who go beyond the guide, then we consider something wrong …

    Selangor case is one sample of this issue … what i ask is not why someone is choosen or someone is not choosen … or i am supporter of this leader or another one …

    The selangor issue make ppl feel something smell fishy … with this feeling, ppl urge for what are the criteria for selection of selangor candidate …

    we just want the guide or criteria in black and white … is it very difficult to do that?

  24. #24 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 10:40 am

    lakilompat,

    if we see a red card issued in a football match is reasonable, we will accept it and make no noise … but if we see a red card is issued in a very unreasonable manner … the football assoaciation always have a door open for you to appeal … as the REFREE is a human as well .. and human tend to make mistake due to the greedy and favourism nature …

  25. #25 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 11:23 am

    I’ve seen you bashing abt DAP Principle, and crony. Well i think the proper misunderstanding you’ve had with DAP leadership is the below, not principle and crony, am i right?

    “What are the criteria for selection of selangor exco member”

    UMNO member has held the post for 11 terms, yet is there a standard constitution drafted and implemented pertaining to criteria of Exco member? I would think the basic are they have no criminals record, correct me if I’m wrong. I think MB will normally select its own exco members based on recommendation proposed by the winning party.

    Opposition has just begin its 1st term, and you are seeking them to provide explanation, i must admit this is not transparent, perhaps someone can clear the air but that doesn’t mean DAP is against its principle, or crony. E.g. YB LKS proposed 2 candidates from opposition party, but the Sultan choose the other candidate from PAS, it doesn’t mean DAP is against its principle or crony. It is just sometimes, it is beyond our expectation.

    Everyone know Khairy is behind Pak Lah, and why not we topple the govt and punish them? The problem is we can’t because ppl will not believe. We know that Mr. Mike Tyson (Taib) is not a good guy but yet he was selected into the cabinet. Sure UMNO ppl will seek explanation, the point is, was it necessary for Pak Lah to explain why Taib is in his new cabinet. And Sharizat who has been defeated appointed minister class advisor, why he didn’t appoint some leader from Sabah & Sarawak, do he have to explain? Obviously, u can’t question both Ruling and Opposition coalition leader. As I believe YB LKS allowed all his members to have a chance into the S’langor Exco list. The final result might not be desirable but at least we must respect it. Should we just sit and wait, the consequence of choosing the wrong person in charge?

  26. #26 by k1980 on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 11:31 am

  27. #27 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 11:31 am

    lakilompat,

    DAP leader submitted the candidates lists of 3 excluding teng for Selangor Mentri Besar to choose … and even the menteri besar also feel difficult to answer journalist on this issue …

    what we want to know is not about explanation … is about wat is the guideline on making the this decision by DAP selangor … just a very rough guideline also so difficult?

    who knows the decision is made based on these that’s why teng with his achivement is excluded?
    (1) 38D 24 38 for the body figures, teng does not have
    (2) center parking hair style, teng does not have coz he side parking
    (3) 75KG weight, teng is skinny that’s y excluded

    There must have a guide line right?

  28. #28 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 11:47 am

    lakilompat,

    it is commonly agree for many ppl that the selangor exco list for DAP have the smell of favourism … that why ppl are asking on this …

    if DAP Selangor can show that this is not a case, why should ppl still continue asking?

  29. #29 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:03 pm

    (1) 38 24 38 for the body figures, teng does not have
    (real nice, well i think she deserved it as she won the majority)
    (2) center parking hair style, teng does not have coz he side parking
    (OK, it’s not abt the hair but this man is working hard all the while)
    (3) 75KG weight, teng is skinny that’s y excluded
    (Is not abt the weight)

    We shouldn’t discriminate those who get elected. I believe before the 3 name is finalize, within the party, there’s a general consensus among the leader. I’m sure ppl will need explanation from those who’ve elected, but i believe the answer will be the same, it has been discussed and agreed by everyone. I do hope they also have sign a letter to acknowledge the 3 candidates proposed to exco list just like what the Perak Sultan resolve it his MB appointment.

    ric23_my is that 38 24 38 genuine? i don’t think is correct but with that figure i think is attractive.

  30. #30 by budak on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:04 pm

    i tell you lah…

    my Kampong Head wasn’t MCA/Gerakan men…

    he had been denied an allowance since the day he was our Kampong Head… by the way, he’s our real hero, trusted person and he nv reject our plight… and he’s DAP man…

    We want a PEOPLE headmen rather than Party-men, who has not heart to serve the PEOPLE…

    if UMNO (head men) wanted to resign, just resign lah… we’re going to appoint a Head Men (Ketua Kampong) who’s willing to serve the RAKYAT not the party…!

  31. #31 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:11 pm

    lakilompat,

    that is wat u said, but it does not look like that way …

    when journalist asking why teng not attend the assembly ceremony, one of the DAP exco said “may be address not updated, invitation card cannot reach” … one DAP exco said “i am not sure” … another one said “you have to ask teng” …

    don’t feel any smell of favourism on this issue?

  32. #32 by teejay on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:17 pm

    This is an excerpt of interview with Teng Chang Khim in a Malaysiakini article yesterday 26/3/08 :

    “Sungei Pinang DUN Teng Chang Khim said he has no ill feelings about the newly formed PKR-DAP-PAS state govt or with the Sgor DAP following his exclusion from the Exco line up.
    At a personal level I am alright with the new state line up.
    This is a new era let bygones be bygones.
    Teng also advised the media not to sensationalise the matter.”

    Teng seems to have settled the matter with himself and the DAP.

    So this begs the question why does ric23 continues to press the point about Teng and Teresa,Ronnie and Ean Yang.

    I can only think of 2 possibilities :

    1) To sow the seeds of doubt in the mind of the readers that the DAP practise cronyism. Actually I agree LKS practise cronyism on Guan Eng ! …to such an extend of the cronyism that father and son were both detained under ISA for 18 months in1987.

    2) To cause ill feeling between Teng and the rest of Sgor DAP. It has been rumoured that Teng will be appointed Speaker. ric23′s job is to poison the atmosphere between them and lead to the downfall of the DAP/PKR/PAS govt.

    3) It is obvious that ric23 does not have the interest of the DAP/PKR/PAS coalition at heart. His main job is to disrupt,misinform and destroy. Unfortunately, he did not know that my other name is ” Lie Detector ” and he has now been exposed. I will continue tracking him.

    Kit and Guan Eng – you are our men !!

    Incidentally, I still remember when we had a week long candlelight vigil outside the court house in front of the Selangor Club padang in 1998 to show solidarity with Guan Eng – I still have “Free Guan Eng”
    t shirts from before and I took it out to show off to my friends when we gathered round to discuss election results.

    Cheers , friends …

  33. #33 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:18 pm

    ric23_my mean he’s not inside the league, to become a leader he must be able to earn his trust among the members. No doubt he can garner more votes for the DAP, but can he earn a place in every DAP leaders heart. Will UMNO still want Tun Dr. Mahathir to be their godfather?

    U haven’t answer me 38 24 38 is it true?

  34. #34 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:33 pm

    lakilompat … 38 24 38, you go plastic surgery then u can get one lar

    teejay … u r in the state of mindset same as UMMNO PUTRA, one thing u did is ok, but done by others, it is wrong …

    My point is very straight with this (*Notes: please view as neutral side, no heronism nature)
    (1) We shout loudly we want “Malaysian malaysia” … but after the election we argue and want to fight for how many seat should allocated for each races … this is the thing i feed sad, why dun we stand firm with our principle?
    (2) We urge to have transparent and fair policy … but when asking about how the selection of selangor exco is made … which is a very small matter … but the requestor is labelled with anti-DAP and create choas …

    If a Salesman selling a vitamin product to a consumer, and tell the consumer how good the product is … but the Salesman dun even take the product by himself … how can the Salesman con convince the consumer about his idea?

    Doesn’t see my point in a neutral side?

  35. #35 by jetaime.f on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:34 pm

    ric23_my…I hate to butt in, but cute….:)

    Can you consider the following:
    Won’t it be too soon to demand an explanation when Mr. Lim himself twice asked that this matter be dropped for now. If I am not reading his message wrong, an explanation will be given when things are firmed. May be there could be changes, may be not because it sounds like things aren’t 100% confirmed.

    Can you also consider whether it will be too late to demand for an explanation later such that it is a peril to the country and how will that be. If you are privy to certain information and is very sure that this will be detrimental to the country, then, perhaps this should be made known to everyone so that, everyone may consider demanding an answer right now too.

    Having said that, I don’t have any bad intentions of insulting you or whatsoever but just something for you to think about and perhaps ease your misery of not getting an answer now.

  36. #36 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:46 pm

    I agreed with comrades jetaime and teejay, so comrade ric23_my pls accept it with grace. I’m a bit upset tho 38 24 38 u’ve mentioned is jus some illusion.

    If the salesman is selling or promoting new type of condom, do you mean he have to test it out? I don’t know why u like relate things like this.

  37. #37 by jetaime.f on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:50 pm

    perhaps, ric23_my is a creative person in his own way…..interesting… :)

  38. #38 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 12:53 pm

    teejay and lakilompat … u r smart person, but please dont follow the step like followers of UMMNO Putera that support everything blindly …

    We fight against cronysm,favourism,corruption and discrimination!! We have given chances to BeeAnn but they dissapoint us. That’s why we spit on them …

    We choose DAP becoz we hope that the party stay firm with the principle and bring us against the cronysm,favourism,corruption and discrimination … this is our only hope …

    We want transparent, should we also transparent? We against cronysm, should we dun implement cronysm? We against favourism, should we not implement favourism?

  39. #39 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:00 pm

    lakilompat,

    If a salesman selling condom tell a consumer that the new condom 100% secure and wont leak, and explain until the saliva fly here and fly there …

    but when the consumer says … quite convincing and “looks” very secure … but why you so sure … did you tried it?

    the salesman scrach his head … thinking for couple of minutes .. and throw up thousands of excuse why he dont try … Do you the the consumer will convince with the idea?

    Selangor case shows that we shout transparent is good for ppl, but when ppl asking why the Selangor exco list in that way, we give many excuse … cant you imagine?

  40. #40 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:05 pm

    As a matter of fact, I’m not yet member of DAP, but i was there in each and everywhere their ceramah band went, in Penang chinese townhall, in Han Chiang indoor and outdoor. I’m in fact in dilemma now whether to join PKR or DAP, because my area belong to PKR, i think PKR need more help now. But i prefer DAP, well cos my DAP idol is there, Teresa Kok. My confession is that, should we put principle 1st or favourism first?

    At the moment i just enjoy my life whichever party i join must deliver else i will quit or stop supporting it.

  41. #41 by jetaime.f on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:08 pm

    that’s a cute and funny analogy :)

  42. #42 by teejay on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:12 pm

    Ha ha , nic23 call me UMnOPutra again ! ! He does it becos he cannot reply to to my points that Teng himself has settled it in his heart already with himself and DAP and wants to move on. if Teng can settled it , why can’t nic23 call it quits about the exco matter. Simple, to keep the percieved notion that there is “disunity” in DAP and undermine the coalition. Make no mistake – this is no novice here. A deliberate attempt to continue to misrepresent the sitiuation – who was it who said ” If you tell a lie long enough people will start believing it.”

    jetaime.f , thanks – yes I know Kit has asked us to drop the matter twice already. Sure I listen to my taiko wan. But I cannot tahan this kind of subversive element who wants to undo the good work that has been done already.

    btw, I just read ric23 saying he is neutral , ha ha.

  43. #43 by lakilompat on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:15 pm

    Pertaining to new type of condom salesman, he can use some sample fill it with water to convince buyer, no need test just a simple scientific test, also can apply for international test association on the brand. But i believe for start, if you are a new businessman, it won’t have so much capital to invest in those license & certification. But the point here some stuff are impossible to test, e.g. smoking will cause cancer, but my grandpa has been smoking he died of diarhoe at 80+, he was admitted to hospital but due to his old age he’s too weak to awake?

  44. #44 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:15 pm

    lakilompat,

    If DAP against favourism, but they implement favourism (like selangor case) … then is our responsiblity to critics towards them …

    If for all the parties that gain power and forgot their principle … then i suggest you give up to join any party … may be we both go shaolin temple become monk … eat vege and may be peep female monk shower … more happy and get rid of politic reality

  45. #45 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:19 pm

    teejay,

    think in neutral way … teng case is just an example … he selected or not is not my problem …

    my point is we always shout “how good singapore is … they are good becoz they make use of talent” … but in selangor issue, how to explain?

  46. #46 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:23 pm

    lakilompat,

    your condom example run out of topic lah … see this thread … 1st line … “Our government teaches the whole people by its example …”

    We shout for transparent and make use of best talent .. should we practice it as well so that it can give a good guide to ppl? But wat happen to selangor? It’s not about the person, it’s about the principle

  47. #47 by jetaime.f on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:25 pm

    ok, you crack me up :) but there are ladies online too……..

    Don’t think the people of Malaysia forgets what they want that easily, needless to say, instead some are pressing for all issues to be resolved with a snap of the finger, which is not possible….

  48. #48 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:26 pm

    ooopss .. sorry jetaime … rude abit .. sorry for that … but no choice as lakilompat seems kenot understand about it

  49. #49 by teejay on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:29 pm

    Study ric23 tactics carefully … he will mention the word cronyism and favourtism and selangor exco each time.

    Why ? If you tell a lie long enough people will believe it.

  50. #50 by ric23_my on Thursday, 27 March 2008 - 1:33 pm

    teejay,

    unless your are blind? 4 times ADUN is not appointed but a 29 years old is appointed … and with the political background of achivements is not under consideration …

    does not feel the smell of favourism and cronysm? For sure i will repeat using this phase for this issue coz this is wat ppl asking … impossible that i related this issue with corruption, right?

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