March 8 political tsunami - 8 matters for first Cabinet working meeting tomorrow
I have sent an urgent fax to the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on the eight matters which the new Cabinet can do tomorrow to show that he is prepared to respond to the March 8 political tsunami and be on top of the changes demanded by Malaysians.
The March 8 general election results have wrought far-reaching political changes and it is beholden on all political players to heed the demand for change which the Malaysian voters have spoken loud and clear on polling day 17 days ago.
The first working Cabinet meeting tomorrow is being watched closely as to whether the new Government is prepared to respond and be on top of the changes demanded by the people.
The eight matters which the Cabinet can do tomorrow to signal that Abdullah and the new Government are ready and willing to hear the voices and aspirations of the people and begin the process of healing the divisions in the country are:
1. Immediate and unconditional release of the five Hindraf leaders, P. Uthayakumar, newly-elected DAP Selangor State Assemblyman for Kota Alam Shah M. Manoharan, V. Ganabatirau, R. Kenghadharan and T. Vasantha Kumar from Internal Security Act (ISA) detention as their only “offence” is to voice out the legitimate grievances of the long-standing marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and which have been vindicated by the March 8 general election results.
2. Restoration of national and international confidence in the independence, integrity and quality of the judiciary with the establishment of a Judicial Appointments Commission and a Royal Commission into the two decades of judicial crises starting with the arbitrary and unconstitutional sacking of Tun Salleh Abas as Lord President and Datuk George Seah and the late Tan Sri Wan Suleiman Pawanteh as Supreme Court judges in 1988.
3. First-World Parliament - full commitment to comprehensive parliamentary reform and modernization including live telecast of parliamentary proceedings, an Opposition Deputy Speaker, an Opposition MP to head the Public Accounts Committee, ministerial status for Parliamentary Opposition Leader and a full Select Committee system headed by Parliamentarians where every Ministry is shadowed by a Select Committee.
4. All-out drive to eradicate corruption with the elevation of the Anti-Corruption Agency as an autonomous agency answerable only to Parliament.
5. Leadership by example on integrity by Ministers, Deputy Ministers, Chief Ministers, Mentris Besar, MPs and State Assembly members, including public declaration of assets, end of discrimination in allocation of constituency development allocations to Opposition elected representatives, eradication of money politics as its use to induce defections and electoral reforms for free, fair and clean elections.
6. Full implementation of the 125 recommendations of the Royal Police Commission to create an efficient, incorruptible, professional world-class police service to reduce crime, eradicate corruption and uphold human rights, particularly the establishment of an Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC).
7. All-party inquiry to enhance Malaysia’s international competitiveness to enable the country to successfully face the challenges of globalization.
8. Public inquiry into the RM4.6 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) bailout scandal to demonstrate the new Government’s commitment to accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance.
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 08.51
I am not opitimistic.
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 09.35
Why, why did I ever listen to that blasted idiot of a fengshui master? Should had followed my son in law’s advice and held the GE way back in 2005… that way I can still have 2/3 majority
http://bp2.blogger.com/_vfmsQiwqihc/R-h0Pai74dI/AAAAAAAAEG4/WdaegoXJoaw/s1600-h/pak-lah-tgn-kepala.jpg
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 24.14
As I said, AAB should spend more time at home with Jeanne & build their relationship up first, instead of spending time at office cracking his head on politics…
That is what his Chinese Horoscope says this year for bunny Rabbits.
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 37.34
Dear YB,
Well put!
Keep up the pressure for a better Malaysia.
“Victory or Death”
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 39.26
“I shall labour towards victory, if not, I shall pursue my ideals till death”
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 41.38
LKS,
I am glad I voted for DAP. With solid and committed leaders such as yourself, I feel secure in the knowledge that there is still hope for our Country. I read your 8 pointers and salute your sharpness on key issues facing our Nation at this juncture. True, there could be so many other problems and issues but our top leaders especially the Cabinet has to realize that we need to confront major issues head-on and correct them. Thank you Sir!
p/s: I doubt our PM has the acumen or the courage to change course. In my opinion, he is history (yesterday’s man).
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 47.37
Uncle Kit,
You can tell them 8 point and explain in depth till your mouth froths and your feet go numb.
But what if a moron like Nazri turns and tells you ” I’m still not convinced these are the issues dear to the rakyats heart “.
No use ? You send a letter to someone, the person who recieves must be able to read and understand what he reads.
You have 2 BIG beautiful ears , but what use is it if they dont HEAR ? What if the ear does hear but the message cannot be relayed because there is NO BRAIN.
My advice, just concentrate on these 5 states and make them world class, by 2013 all will fall in place……….
March 25th, 2008 at 13: 50.34
Uncle Lim,
We critic UMNO for it’s crony policies …
Did Selangor exco list issue that Teng is eliminated a crony policy as well? There should at least an explaination !
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 00.59
To LKS
Well done!!! well done… you have puts our nation into a brigther spectrum from ultra light…
Keep it up… Walk the Talk please….
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 01.41
Uncle Lim,
I don’t have confidence on the new Cabinet and I don’t think they believe the 8 points are of utmost importance.
On point #3 itself, from past records where so many Barisan Najis MPs ponteng Parliament sessions, I can’t wait to see PKR-DAP-PAS in action this time.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 02.20
just simply shoot an umno member in the head and 90% of the time, you will get a corrupt person.
heck, the law should be changed so that anyone who gains RM1mil through corrupt practices should return the money and be hung till death. That way, we get back the money and have one leech less to care for…
Good way to teach corrupt leeches that their ways will lead them to hell where they belong
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 03.59
Yb Lim
If the sleepy PM is to take your advise seriously then 99% of his cronies will be landed in Sungai Buloh prison. Do you think he will do it???
The only way to adopt your 8 matters is to change the government which i believe can be done sooner or later.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 10.06
Yes, yes, yes, I agree with you. Also the following:
1. ACA DG and senior officers to declare publicly their assets, just as for Cabinet Ministers now have to do. Also get the ACA to be fully accountable for their actions and especially their INACTION.
Same too for the IGP and his senior officers.
All declaration of assets should include assets OVERSEAS and immediate family members.
2. Live telecast of Parliament sessions or to allow interested parties to do the live telecasts.
3. The Elections Commission to be fully revamped to allow for greater transparency, accountability and integrity. Also declaration of assets as per above. Also, its members should be properly appointed.
On the other hand, I must also enquire what the Opposition Coalition (OC) is going to do now? A lot of silence lately.
Pak Lah has announced his Cabinet. What is the OC doing about forming its SHADOW CABINET? Why no progress on this?
Also, too many members are both MPs and SAs, especially from the DAP and Keadilan. Why, some are even state Exco members now. Names that come to mind are Khalid Ibrahim, Teresa Kok, Lim Guan Eng, Ramasamy, Ngeh and Nga etc etc etc. Just how are they going to focus on their responsibilities?
Perhaps some of them might wish to vacate their seats for new blood in by-elections when these are held, together with Anwar Ibrahim. Consider that.
And don’t forget that other rubber stamp chamber called the DEWAN NEGARA or Senate. Just how relevant is it? Should it be abolished? Or should the Opposition Coalition now appoint their members up there to give it some “life”, some check and balance, some usefulness?
I also propose that all Opposition MPs and SAs should NOT be rewarded with all kinds of titles like “Dato Seri”, “Dato”, “Dato Panglima Garang” etc etc. They should not be awarded or accept titles, just as they are not allowed to apply for land in Penang. No titles for the Socialists and the like. Just work for the people.
Incidentally, I feel the DAP is entitled to the Opposition Leader’s position as it has more LEGITIMATE MPs than PKR. Why?
Well of PKR’s 31 MPs, there are several who are NOT PKR members at all even though they stood under PKR’s banner. Who are they?
Wee Choo Keong (Wangsa Maju) comes to mind. Isn’t he from MDP? Another is that giant killer Jeyakumar (Sungei Siput) from the Socialists party. Aren’t these two parties still in existence? The Socialists too have a state seat in Selangor under PKR. PAS too has an UMNO renegade Ibrahim Ali who stood under their banner. Let’s face it. PKR has many MPs and SAs who won even though they are not party members unless they have joined the party recently. And if 15 or 16 BN MPs cross over to the Opposition, how should they be treated? The DAP has made its stand on crossovers. What about the others?
Yes, still many issues to be looked into by both sides.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 11.11
To ric23, stop mockering that Teng is not in the exco list, since decision already been made, action will speak louder now for Teng to continue in a supportive role. I hope to see YB LKS become the first chinese Menteri Besar in Perak but why not, should there at least an explanation? There are things beyond our expectation, it is all fated, if Teng feel unhappy he can join his cousin at BN camp, i hope that’s not what he wanted to.
Hope this time Nazri will not call & finger point YB LKS a liar, and stupid. This is the time for him to reflect himself in the mirror to swallow back his word and cabinet antic.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 11.32
One more.
Declare Petronas and all GLC accounts to Parliament. These bodies belong to the people and we want to know how our money is managed. We also need to relook into all the agreements, concessions and ‘Built n Operate’ arrangement. Like the Penang bridge for example, it is already on maximum capacity and the operater wants to raise toll because they still cannot cover expenses? Something is terribly wrong. PLUS highway too. The rising tolls, the expensive food at their rest areas…
And again, why only the 5 hindraf leaders? Why not ISA detainees? It is time BN earn some sympathy. The longer Badawi takes to release them, the faster the BN ship will sink. It is already a popular belief that BN will collapse in 2 to 3 months.
On the finer points… all Governments must immediately start talking to all Resident Associations and Non BN NGOs to get the the truth on the ground and and to listen to all. Don’t just believe in lies coming from irresponsibles and good for nothing members in JKKK, RT and BN created NGO’s to sabotage the real NGOs.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 15.39
What about this? Also very big sum involved at RM800 million a year, total RM3billion to RM4billion over the last 4 years.
I am sure YB Lim should ask where these Wang Ehsan gone to.-accountability, transparency etc. Almost same magnitude as PKFZ abt RM4 billion.
UMNO-Led Federal Government ’s Fiduciary Irresponsibility for Trengganu’s Oil-Money
http://malaysianunplug.blogspot.com/2008/03/must-read-article-umno-led-federal.html
Trengganu MB crisis: Follow the money trail
http://anilnetto.com/2008/03/24/trengganu-mb-crisis-more-than-meets-the-eye/
Palace, Pat Lah and the Petroringgit…….
http://alditta.blogspot.com/2008/03/palace-pat-lah-petroringgit.html
Monsoon (Cup) winds of change
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/4906/84/
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 17.45
ACA…no way. They will want in under their control although the rakya have showed they want an independent ACA. PKFZ, case close since Chan Kong Choy quit.Declare assets, is all talk and if done will be done without much transparency. Basically this BN govt is not sincere in fight against corruption.
Judges, seems they will apologise. I hope they do on behalf of previous govt.
IPCMC, well he will say not in his 2008 manifesto. Again do not believe Pak Lah will deliver on his promise. We want IPCMC and no other versions.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 21.51
Uncle Kit, I thought Wan Azizah as the parliamentary opposition leader is the one who’ll take on this matters when parliament convenes tomorrow on behalf of PKR, DAP and PAS. I also find it strange that the eight matters to be brought up in the first parliamentary meeting are not endorsed by PKR and PAS, is there consensus between the oppositions in this matters?
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 22.33
Some times when we try to point one finger to others we should know that 3 fingers point back to us. Mr Lim, we Klang people seeking an explanation from u regarding Selangor Exco list.
Why 3 first timer being elected as Exco and a four term ADUN being eleminated to post of powerless Speaker ??? Maybe u forgot or u follow BN’s culture of ” cakap tak serupa bikin” when u did hit BN’s policies regarding brain drain. Dont treat us like stupidful. Vote DAP this time doesnt mean we vote u forever.
The 29 years old being appoint as an Exco just like a secondary school student attending school graduation.
Mr Lim, we are expecting your explanation.
Representing a ground of Pandamaran voters.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 25.44
Who is the opposition leader?
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 27.04
I am not concern about teng or whoever … i am talking about the internal politic of DAP which become serious and more serious … which can ruin the situation and make the opposition fell …
Teng is one case … how about Batu Gajah Fong case? another internal politic also …
Stick back to your propaganda, DAP … i guess reasonable for this appeal?
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 27.48
thanks uncle lim. those are the issues that needed to be address since ages ago. bodohwi has a lot to answer for esp for why the hell the buaya taib can be in the cabinet. this will be a disastrous turn for the parliament to be another third world.
uncle lim, i also applaud u for being realistic and in touch with us. cont to fight the good fight for the good of ALL malaysians
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 32.01
Please stop harping on the Selangor Exco’s List. Dunno who is Mr. Teng but he seems to have some supporters on this blog. The Exco members are already appointed so stop harping on it. Makes no difference.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 40.54
max2811
I disagree with you to halt on the request for DAP to explain to us as voters why YB Teng has been excluded with obvious experience and merits
Ifi you suggest to sweep this issue under carpet, then DAP will sent to wrong message to the Rakyat.
DAP has been raising the issues of judicial review, transparency of appointment of judges where more experience candidate have been by-passed for promotion. If DAP does not take effort to clarify this matter, this will be an issue the voter will raised in the next election.
DAP must not only talk about transparency, but must be also SEEN to be transparent.
I agree with kslaw70 comment.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 44.00
Have we already forgotton about her?
http://bright-i.blogspot.com/2008/03/cry-of-altantuya.html
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 48.26
I agreed with max2811, let’s respect our leader choice, if you trust the leader, you must not think what is not.
Here’s some info on Mr. Teng
Teng Chang Khim
Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia
4th term Member of the Selangor State Legislative Assembly since 1995. Opposition Leader of the Legislative Assembly(1995-1999 and 2004-2008). A practising lawyer.
Whoever become exco not important, most important is the party struggle to eliminate and reduce BN cronies. Look at point 8, MYR 4.6 Billion Govt. Bailout who approve that? OMG! with that we can build some bridges, highway, reduce fuel price by increasing fuel subsidy to the rakyat or send RM 6,000 red packet each year to every household of Malaysia with income less than MYR 6000 per month. Well, there u go, the federal govt. bailout MYR 4.6 billion, will Malaysia go bankrupt as of what Najib said?
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 49.23
Again Sdr. Lim, even at the twilight albeit the height of his career, is a national treasure for being a positive critic of the govt. The leader of opposition politics in almost all other countries including Anwar Ibrahim would not be so generous as not to harped on issues that are at the core of DAP ideology namely the issues of secularity, religion and NEP.
It would have been unproductive to harp at these ideological issue when such urgent practical matters need to be addressed.
If UMNO-led BN were truly gentlemen and had the heart of Bangsa Malaysia, they should confer a Tan Sri ship to Sdr. Lim before the end of this term.
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 50.19
And what about Lingkam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DUT9U-2RIQ
March 25th, 2008 at 14: 59.26
The Cabinet meeting will start an hour late because someone has overslept as usual.
Then the Cabinet ministers will spend the next hour blaming each other’s party for the election losses.
Next hour will be spent trying to figure out what dirty secrets will be revealed in all the states that has been taken over by the DAP/PKR/PAS coalitions.
Finally they will discuss how likely the BN MPs will jump ship and if the BN will lose the control of the Govt.
Then meeting adjourned as someone needs to go back to sleep.
So, YB Kit, forget about your proposals. No time.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 03.16
To award and recognise Mr. Lim for his invaluable contributions to the country is a political suicide for BN……you won’t see this happen as long as BN is in power.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 03.24
kit,
would we add list number 9. Rulers remains as figure heads and does not interfere in the administration of the running of governments. They should not be seen in interering with any politics whatsoever. Afterall we have spent unnecessarily millions if not billions to maintain such an institution. Respect we must but please let us carry on and such a stalement (as in trngganu) is unwarranted and uncalled for. It should not happen and must not be allowed to happen anywhere, anytime, anyhow.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 04.41
The priorities of the new cabinet:
1. Figure out who in BN is likely to cross over to the other side, and what the BN can do to prevent this.
2. What to do with the Royal Commission of Inquiry on the Lingam tape.
3. What are the effective ways to discredit the other side.
4. Ways to congratulate ourselves and put a positive spin on the recent GE.
All cabinet ministers rise and say in unison: “Saya Sokong”.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 06.47
humph..excellent proposals..but should education matter be included?
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 09.04
I don’t think bodowi will meet your requests. He will say “It’s not realistic enough because some minister/GLC/cronies/police officers will go bankrupt if they are being scrutinised so tightly. They will loss their extra income”
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 21.22
Another priority for the new cabinet will be to tell all ministers not to talk to the press without clearance from Tengku Adnan - a clear reference to Zaid Ibrahim for putting the cat amongst the pigeons.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 31.42
Bro Kit,
Excellent points to be considered by Pak Lah (how do we ensure that he is still not sleeping?).
However, Dawsheng noted, I am not optimistic.
Well, one positive thing though, the Rakyat can look forward to the next GE to complete the job we started in the 12th GE, so we can get a “REAL” Cabinet!
Keep up the good work.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 32.07
dawsheng Says:
Today at 14: 21.51 (1 hour ago)
Uncle Kit, I thought Wan Azizah as the parliamentary opposition leader is the one who’ll take on this matters when parliament convenes tomorrow on behalf of PKR, DAP and PAS. I also find it strange that the eight matters to be brought up in the first parliamentary meeting are not endorsed by PKR and PAS, is there consensus between the oppositions in this matters?
No need-lah…. Just keep life simple.
March 25th, 2008 at 15: 45.00
That doesn’t mean opposition leader must be used as tool to push DAP 8 critical agendas. Stop been childish.
Each party must be able to voice out in the cabinet either represent themselves as party or on behalf of the BR. Too bad there is no live on tv. Hope there will be showing, because rakyat will be anxious and interested to know what’s cooking.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 05.45
lakilompat Says:
Today at 14: 11.11 (1 hour ago)
“To ric23, stop mockering that Teng is not in the exco list, since decision already been made, action will speak louder now for Teng to continue in a supportive role. I hope to see YB LKS become the first chinese Menteri Besar in Perak but why not, should there at least an explanation? There are things beyond our expectation, it is all fated, if Teng feel unhappy he can join his cousin at BN camp, i hope that’s not what he wanted to.”
Lim Kit Siang had no chance of being the first Chinese MB of Perak because he didn’t even run for and win a state seat. How can he be the MB without a seat in the State Assembly?
Also it is Teng’s younger brother Chang Yeow who is in BN under Gerakan. He might have a cousin there, but it is TCY who is the most famous one, and no doubt you were alluding to him. Goodness me. People should get their facts right before shooting.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 09.25
Come what may,UMNO will never make any positive or realistic moves to eradicate corruption. Why should they? The purpose of being in UMNO is to enjoy the short cut to richness through dubious means called CORRUPTION. They are not going to hang themselves with their own ropes as they had been enjoying these forbidden fruits for so long and without it, they will be like mortals without a soul
Everybody knows their Trademark, UMNO=Corruption and Corruption=UMNO and it will never go away or even fade away if you give them the choice. The fruit is just too juicy and that is why they are fighting tooth and nail with the royalty in Trengganu to retain someone whose hands are soiled and hence easy to manipulate.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 15.33
We must not give them the choice. We must kick them out and kick hard in the next general election and send them into oblivion and never to be seen again. That is the only way to eradicate corruption in this beloved land of ours.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 38.26
To mycroft,
“People should get their facts right before shooting.” this is true
It seems you did not observe the statement clearly before u begin shooting into wrong direction. Look carefully my earlier statement stated “i hope” what I’m trying to convey is that, there shouldn’t be explanation to each and every appointment.
There are more important matters to be explained such as the 8 critical points listed out by YB LKS. The eight points looks critical and interesting RM 4.6 billion govt. bailout approximately USD 1.3 Billion.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 44.51
dawsheng, please read carefully what Kit has written. He is talking about the cabinet meeting tomorrow and not Parliament meeting.
Pak lah will lay out the plans he has for Malaysia and the Opposition leader will have the right to reply to him. Wan Azizah is Opposition leader but MP’s are free to bring up anything they want. Stop making it seem there is disunity among the ranks of DAP,PRR and PAS when there is none.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 47.16
to Max 2811,
if you don’t know Mr Teng, then maybe you don’t know much about his achievement. He is a 4 term assemblymen and has always been acting without fear and favour. He exposed the late Zakaria mansion. He exposed the 10 exco “bungalows” (which was “only” around RM21 Million as admitted by ex Selangor MB Khir Toyo). For your information, I am a Johorean and have never met Mr Teng. The reason that Mr Teng has so many supporters is that he always proved his work by showing results. I have always supported DAP since year 1995 because I always believe that DAP is fighting for every Malaysian regardless of race or religion. They have always champion Malaysian Malaysia concept and has a huge followings. However after the announment of the Selangor Exco lineup, I feel very sad and upset as DAP seems to be no different from UMNO. Instead of selecting the best candidates for the 3 exco slots given to DAP, DAP has selected 3 first term assemblymen into the exco, leaving Mr. Teng behind with a powerless Deputy Speaker (subject to Sultan’s approval). I must say I admired Mr Teng magnanimity because until now he still did not say anything. I am supporter of DAP but I feel that in Selangor already DAP started to behave like UMNO and also behave like MCA cause DAP has been reduced to 3 exco slots instead of 4 exco slots cause it was being informed the ratio of exco between malays and non malays should be equal or more. (Please read RPK’s(www.malaysia-today.net) blog regarding the issue of non-malays, malays etc etc). I thought after the rakyat has elected BR into power in 5 states, there should not be any talks on malays quota, non-malays quota etc etc. If we still live in the world of quota here and there, how to build a Malaysian Malaysia identity. I have lost much faith in DAP after the Selangor exco incident. However, I still give them time and chance to prove me wrong. I can only feel sorry for Mr. Teng. Maybe Uncle Kit can give us an explaination on why Mr Teng is not selected although he is most senior and most eligible to be an exco (or even deputy MB if ever there is such a post). that is without question of Mr Teng’s credibility and ability.
One thing for sure, I am not Mr Teng’s crony, just a layman from Johor and a Malaysian chinese who love Malaysia. (oops! I should not say Malaysian Chinese! hopefully in future there is no distinction when we identify ourselves as Malaysian Malaysia)
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 48.42
“Penang school heads told not to invite State Govt leaders as VIPs
School heads in Penang have been instructed or “advised” not to invite State Government leaders and elected representatives from the DAP-PKR as VIPs and guests-of-honour. The message was conveyed during a briefing last Wednesday by a senior official from the Penang Education Department, which comes under the federal-level Education Ministry……………….;”
http://anilnetto.com/2008/03/25/penang-school-heads-told-not-to-invite-state-govt-leaders-as-vips/
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Judging from reaction in Penang, do you really think the gomen will heed any of the 8 proposals?
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 52.28
I am really AMAZED by what LKS has preached in calling for 8 critical points to be addressed by BN BUT in DAP’s own house…..a tested SA was bypassed by new untested SAs in appointment as EXCO in Selangor.
Please practise what you preach….show us your reasons for the exclusion or rather the Fiasco…. Where’s your transparency? Where’s your ear to people’s voices?
I really can’t get in ito my mind on the logic Teng is out of EXCO Selangor and to appoint him as Speaker is to put him on the “Altar” to consloe him.
Luckily Teng is Gentleman andd a steadfast and calm man and do not go round threatening anyone wit any threats when not getting the EXCO post like what UMNO Perlis & Trengganu did just to grab a position.
DAP should have more of such leaders like Teng who don’t mind not getting his recognition as previous Oppostion Leader in Selangor…..What a SHAME…
We demand a good explanation and full “Royal Commision” (to borrow from LKS”s normal reaction) on the issue.
March 25th, 2008 at 16: 58.39
Uncle Lim,
Can you add another one especially education. The JPA scholarship must be transparent. Those students who get 10 As and above must be given scholarship not counting any races.
He is Malaysian PM, must be fair to all Malaysian. Not just certain group of people.
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 02.56
Teng Chang Khim is up to his old tricks again. Thank goodness DAP did not pick him as Exco member. He seems to have several “supporters” who are always harping on his ” good qualities”.It is obvious why he has not been picked - he has used extra party tactics to influence the leadership of DAP to choose him. Go check his blog - he has a “large ” fan club who are always extolling his “good Qualities”. These supporters seem to know beter than the DAP leadership ! We are only too polite to list down the reasons why he has been bypassed. The more his supporters carry on this ” crusade” for him the more silly they will make him look. Sorry I meant to write supporter and not supporters.
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 07.38
teejay…show us the reasons that he was bypassed…
What we are talking abt here is that we want a good administrative team and an experience governmental quality person…
If being loyal for the past few terms and doing the right thing in bringing out shit in the Selangor Govt is not counted then please tell me what are the real qualities DAP want?
Its what we the rakyat of Selangor thats more important.
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 12.46
“its what we the rakyat of Selangor look forward to thats more important”
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 14.43
“During the last elections, we lost the cyberwar.”
http://themalaysianinsider.com/mni/quote-of-the-week.html
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PM still thinks they lost because of the internet.
Is this the reason why they are trying to be friend the netizens now?
Did he mention anything about them being arrogant, it appears so to any fair minded person, in the ways they bully (Hindraf rally & the 5 etc etc); bulldoze(Bresih on Election commission by changing the consititution ; PKFZ etc etc) and consealing truth (Lingam, Mongolian girl etc etc)?
Do you think there is a REAL change of heart in BN now to get right & serve the rakyat?
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 15.12
What about getting an international 3rd party to head the EC during election, preferably from the UN
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 19.50
Don’t believe live telecast would cost a lot of money as stated by one of the ministers in the ruling government. Wonder what sort of excuse they will be giving next for not doing so.
Mr. Lim, I’m just trying my luck, can we have that broadcast on a secured website too?
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 20.11
More about it here:-
“Abdullah: Big mistake to ignore cyber-campaign
Mar 25, 08 2:02pm
‘We certainly lost the Internet war, the cyber-war,’ admits the priemier when commenting on the heavy defeat suffered by the BN in the general election.
http://malaysiakini.com/news/80354“
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 42.50
Wonder how many of us can afford to “ponteng kerja” to watch the live-telecast of Parliament sitting?
No joke. A sitting can last > 4 hours. How many of us are eager to spend so much time to watch all these?
Teng Chang Kim an exco? I prefer having him as an independent vocal ADUN who can criticize even the new state government. A good revolutionist does not make a good administrator.
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 44.15
Man of Steel - Lim Kit Siang, I hope that the Penang Chief Minister, Perak Menteri Besar, Kedah Menteri Besar as well as the Selangor Menteri Besar will dig more proof of the past politicians who has been sitting on the realm for too long that these people are very much into corrution. The world are not eyeing on the status of Malaysia now.
We all know very well that previous administration of the state are a bunch of corrupt officers. I’m sure Lim Guan Eng and his team will dig more dirt out from the previous administration government dirty stuff and I am looking at Selangor Menteri Besar now. We know Zakaria is a corrupt councillor who is now living 6 feet under the soil. So, I am looking forward for all these corrupt practices to surface and put an end to all these crap!
Tomorrow at the 1st Parliment meeting, bring along fresh tomatoes and possibly watermelon. Those who hurl abuses and stupid slang against the DAP, PKR and PAS, pls Uncle Kit, throw it inside their mouth!
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 47.26
Can possibly have it broadcasted at nite so to keep the people well-informed and have first hand info…..
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 47.53
I am just a melaka folk, and not from Klang, you can trace my IP address to see whether i am wrong
I am not talking about supporting Teng … i am talking about the PRINCIPLE OF DAP …
We want transparent policy for tendering. We feel shame and reject policy in which a non-bumi that hard work and have achievement is rejected outside local you …
For Teng case is just a sample of wat DAP is facing … when we critic UMNO for having crony … are this selangor exco list is a crony issue as well?
To be fair, can DAP gives a tranparent approach on how you nominate Exco member? I guess this is fair enough to give an explanation?
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 54.51
Prior to the campaign, losing is never in their mind, so they spent all their time here and there to fill up their pockets. Whereas, the opposition are busy preparing its cyber guerillas (Political bloggers) to fight a big war. If Khairy or Pak Lah open their own blog, do you think, there will be ppl to write good stuff on their blog?
Just becos YB Teng name did not make it to the exco list, that doesn’t mean he’s subject to abuse by DAP. And i hope u guys don’t blame YB LKS or any BR leader who made the decision. There are more important task to do now rather than deciding who deserve what?
March 25th, 2008 at 17: 58.19
Methinks they also lost the integrity war.
IPCMC still being dragged on or is now totally buried?
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 07.06
To ric23_my pls dun sensationalize the issue. By the way, the ip address can be easily change as Streamyx is using random IP, fixed ip is very xpensive unless you are from cybercafe. Are you from the BN camp? because your brother are not chosen in exco u tried hard to sabotage it the BN way, please that’s not DAP way to handle issues by harping in DAP blog, it won’t do him any favor.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 09.27
It’s not about blaming … it is responsibilities of us to ensure opposition is strong and eliminate BN soon …
The main point that we want to focus is … we reject UMNO becoz of the crony policy …. but wat happen now? Fong in batu gajah, now is Teng …
I tot we focus on make use of talent so that it can benefit all the people?
With all the comments here, it seems like DAP is also similar as UMNO Putra? We can ask BN to give explaination for unfair policy and want tranparent reason, but we cannot ask DAP to give explaination on criteria to select Selangor exco list with transparency?
This make DAP no difference with UMNO Putra!
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 11.02
to lakilompat, unless u are stupid enough? At this time, for sure ppl are using internet from office, unless i am jobless …
and office is usually using leash line which has fix ip address …
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 17.57
To ric23_my the statement u’ve put in there, seems to propogated from the BN. Well done, MCA or Gerakan, nice lie, BN enjoy lying they feel insecure becos ppl don’t believe them they have to seek pardon from ppl to believe what they said. In the newspaper the BN old man is wearing the BN shirt to gain sympathize that they have help someone in the internet, do you think the Rakyat will care, oh that old MCA guy did it. Now MCA is fighting so hard to regain and attack DAP, well among one of the agenda is to make ppl believe them again, welldone, ask ppl check ur ip for wat only stupid BN man will do cheapskate trick to lure ppl believing there’s something wrong with DAP.
Well u can go ahead check my IP, I’m from Germany.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 19.50
Appraarently S ungai Pinang DAP assemblyman Teng Chang Kim, a lawyer, is not happy that he is not in the Selangor’s executive
council although he will be appointed as the first non-Malay Speaker in the state assembly.
It is an open secret that Teng, a Selangor assemblyman since 1995,cannot see eye-to-eye with party secretary-general and Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng.
I would suggest that Teng should cross over to PKR.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 22.07
There was mention in this blog that Uncle Lim be awarded titles.
I don’t think that he’ll feel honoured by such “gifts”.
I think that to him, it’s far more satisfying to serve the people without such “titles” than to hanker for them.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 22.34
Another BN cyber trooper has swamped the blog.
skyquest2000
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 27.19
lakilompat … i guess you are from UMNO Putra, which have the similar mindset, like to twist here and there and do not want to face question that ppl asking.
I am a DAP supporter becoz of their propaganda. U can write an email to DAP admin or uncle lim and ask for my ID “ric23_my”. U can find the personal info of myself with that ID as i have apply for member in DAP …
A request for DAP top management to answer what is the criteria for selection of Selangor exco is it too much? We support for DAP becoz of their propaganda and the approach. When we saw something happen not in a correct way, and we ask for an explanation, is it too much also?
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 32.22
The tsunami has come and wreaked havoc. The wave that drowned some of the corrupt has receded only to be replaced by the prospect of an even bigger wave in a few years’ time - five years to be exact.
Let us not help them unite and heal their wounds by making demands we know the importance of which they can never begin to understand let alone try to solve them. Give them time to do their post mortem analysis on what happened on March 8. Let’s hope that the inevitable blame game will continue to divide their ranks and drive a wedge between their followers and their leaders. This is the much awaited after shock. More will fall like pins in a bowling game. What did a wise old 7th century Chinese general say about an enemy that is doing a good job at destroying himself if not never to intervene?
We see some of that happening in Perlis and Trengganu.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 34.35
ric23_my ,
I absolutely agree with you. We voted for DAP. We all want change. We should forget our own personal agenda. We don’t want a bunch of new monkeys replacing the old one.
We demand transparency. Let things be open. We want details.
I have nothing against Au Yang, but who is this young and inexperinced guy and why he is appointed in lieu of Teng? Where is the justice?
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 34.36
U cannot tell anything to him nowadays; he thinks he is greater than the King
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 35.39
We should help prop up Abdullah Badawi for he is the opposition’s ticket to a final victory in 2013.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 39.59
I guess a request for explanation is not too much right? Selection of student to enter university is based on score.
what are the criteria and consideration for an exco candidate by DAP?
I support DAP is becoz of the Semangat of DAP? Is not the person of the DAP.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 43.03
undergrad2, we all want to see opposition can replace BN soon, and send UMNO,MCA,Gerakan and MIC to museum ..
but with the case of Fong in batu gajah and teng in Sg pinang, how can we ensure that elimination of BN that pro-crony …. there wont be another crony politic emerge?
DAP have to give an explanation on this. At least to show we are transparent since we always want transparent.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 48.15
It’s amusing to read that PM & co “blame” the internet for losing the GE now. Wonder who told him that. He is still missing the point. So, we shall have to wait patiently for the next GE coz it will be just another charade next few years…
Also, the spin doctors are already hard at work…
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 49.15
ric23,
Solve them? Sure but the DAP must rise above party squabbles and not lose sight of the wood by looking only at the trees!
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 49.37
I have posted this question 2x already . Has Teng Chang Khim taken down the ” gigantic ” banner put up by his supporter(s) promoting his qualities to be included into the Exco ? so far no one has replied — better still anyone got photo of it ? I am a big supporter of Teng and I hero worship the ground he walks on ! Pleassssssse DAP let us know why you chose Teresa Kok, Ronnie and Ean Yong instead of him.
I promise I am not Teng himself writing under a pseudonym.
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 52.11
Teresa Kok is not bad, but at least must explain why choosing Ronnie Liu and Ean Yong instead of Teng … this is a very obvious crony issue
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 53.50
YES…..we want transparency in DAP Selangor EXCO Fiasco….
LKS & LGE owe us Selangor DAP supporters/voters a BIG Explanation but sad to say…..until today….no word from them….
We know there is a Cold War in DAP Selangor but please put us rakyat’s interest first as what DAP had say they will when asking for our support.
Now sudah menang = kacang lupakan kulit
March 25th, 2008 at 18: 55.07
“It’s amusing to read that PM & co “blame” the internet for losing the GE now. Wonder who told him that.”
Who else but his lovely wife, Jeanne? He heard talks about the power of the internet from his aides but it was only just yesterday he learned how to get on to the internet. You must remember he grew up before personal computers made their debut.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 03.03
We have met some DAP members. We were told now DAP MPs and state assembly members not only do not need to contribute part of the remenuration to the party, they receive financial support to hire secretaries and runners to serve their constituents. This is because DAPs are now controlling the richest state in Malaysia.
Poeple will line up throwing them big cars and gifts before projects are announced and handed out.
DAPs, we will be watching you from the sidelines whether you keep up with your promise.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 05.21
Yes , we demand explanation why his Highness Teng is not given the post of King of Selangor Exco. His magnificent qualities are needed to save the nation !
Ps, I am not Teng himself writing under a pseudonym.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 06.19
umno postpone internal elections to protect PM from challenges— Welcome to Malaysia’s “Saya pantang dicabar” democracy
http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080325/tap-as-pol-malaysia-b3c65ae_1.html
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 23.01
teejay…..ur sarcarstic remarks are uncalled for!!! We are all for a noble cause for a just society.
YES WE WANT AN EXPLANATION!!!!
We are not necessary Teng’s men but we are DAP’s men.
We asked for transparency in the Govt…..but we are not shown the transparency in such situation.
Subang Jaya ADUN Hannah Yeoh promised to be transparent on the election expenses which was partly sponsered by the public thru donations either personally or via the successful ceramahs.
What abt other winning ADUNs?
We read of how much was raised or collected during ceramahs but what abt the transparency?
Its this transparency that warrants us a satisfaction to know how a rookie ADUN can be the EXCO while tested experienced ADUN can be sidestepped.
I really would like very much to know what criteria was used???
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 23.52
Uncle Kit and LGE owe us an explaination in the selection of Selangor Exco. If the matter is beyond DAP’s control, we can understand (eg. Deputy MB and Malay quota which HRH Selangor Sultan suggested) What we cannot understand (I believe ric23_my and skyquest2000 is with me) is that how could DAP select a 29 years old boy over a four term assemblymen? Does it make sense? If it does not make sense, then DAP CEC shall explain to DAP supporters why MR. Teng is dropped. There is a likelihood that in the next GE, DAP may form a coalition federal government. If there is no tranparency now, how do we expect transparency in future? Uncle Kit, before you ask UMNO putras and their coalition for the 8 matters you mentioned above, please look at the mirror yourself whether you need to explain to us. I am beginning to feel there is not much difference between DAP and UMNO in this Selangor Exco selection. Please explain cause we are very curious what wrong (if any) has Mr Teng done to be excluded from becoming an EXCO
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 24.03
Like I’ve said before, I like Teng, I think he is a good man and a good representative. But these are not qualities needed to be in the ExCo. You need to be a team player and to work with a group. And Teng, for all his qualities, is a maverick at times. You cannot sing rock and roll in a jazz band.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 25.32
Pointless sending faxes, letters emails to PM as he’s still dependent on his son in law for wrong advise
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 32.22
I’m sure all of us have a million and one reasons to choose A and another million reasons for not taking B but don’t you think this is best left to the party leadership to decide?
All I want to know is whoever selected must be able to function effectively & efficiently as an individual as well as a party team player. Time will tell. Why can’t we give them sometime to prove their worth instead of arguing here?
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 32.56
mycroft…..do we want to have an EXCO who will follow party lines when faced with sticky situation like when BN MPs or SAs have to toe the line when rakyats’ interest is at stake as shown previously in all BN state assemblies and the Parliament?
I would prefer an ADUn or EXCO who is daring to speak up for us rakyat rather toe the line and keep quiet.
Remember what happened to Sotinathan (MIC), Devamany (MIC) and other BN ADUNs in Penang when they voted agst the govt policy after finding out it goes agst rakyat’s wishes?
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 33.13
Uncle kit,
Everybody voted for BR for the change in the way country is being managed by BN.I personally voted and campaign for DAP in serdang with 1 motive-RELEASE OF THE HINDRAF 5.The arrogance of BN,by calling penyagak , spryed chemical laced water canon and tear gas towards rakyat shows the mentally of the BN leaders.They even spryed water canon to the children who been carrying flower for him on the 16th feb.JUST imagine wht kind of leader oUr SLEEPING BADAWI IS?his days are numbered!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 37.12
One more thing to make it 9 YB Lim - Total revamp and reform of the Election Commission, to be an independent, transparent, professional and responsible body.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 40.09
Unless DAP wins Selangor on its own, then only it can do things according to its manifesto and ideology.
However, this is a DPP coalition government (or PDP, or PPD, whatever). I don’t think it is DAP’s CEC decision alone.
There must be more that meets the eye as to why Teng was left out, but still a Speaker position is still a first for Malaysian Chinese, no ?
If the DAP guys prove their worth, maybe even Deputy MB sometimes in near future ?
So, stop the bickering and get back to work and prove your worth.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 40.15
well….seems LGE’s hands are all tied up with Penang’s dubious land deals of the previous BN state govt.
My pity to him but am glad he is strong to face the issues and hope he get to exposed all those involved and get them to book.
I realised Ean Yong is the Selangor DAP chairman and so he has to be the EXCO member huh? What abt being Opposition Leader for past Selangor Govt?
Can’t figure out how DAP Selangor picks EXCO????
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 47.14
We demand to know why Teng is not in the Selangor Exco.
I am not interested about the Terengganu crisis, how the DAP/PKR/PAS coalition is running the 3 states, the campaign to release Manoharan from ISA, when Anwar will return to Parliament, about USD $ 100 oil, etc.
I only want to know why Teng tak dapat Exco ???????
Ps, I am not Teng himself writing under a pseudonym.
March 25th, 2008 at 19: 52.12
actually wat i want to focus out is the semangat of DAP -> with propaganda “make best use of talent” and “we want transparency” …
so i am not blaming or anything. I just ask for explanation of the criteria how DAP select the exco candidates … i think this is reasonable enough. Else next time how can we find any excuse to ask BN to give explanation on unfair policy. If BN tell “it is a decision and have have it own reason”, will u accept?
If u can read chinese, see wat is the comments from the new appointed mentri besar, Khalid on this issue … he say he do not know the reason from DAP, and he cant interfere DAP decision as a respect …
http://merdekareview.com/news.php?n=6341
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 04.45
The criteria are for Selangor EXCO are
1) Put party interests first
2) Team player
3) Attend Selangor DAP meetings regularly
4) Attend CEC meetings regularly
5) Whether there was any contribution of one’s DUN allowance to National DAP
6) Integrity
7) Did not campaign openly for power and position
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 08.29
I admire Teng very much. I attended his ceramah before. In fact I attended Teresa, Ronnie and Ean Yong’s ceramah too.
Teng’s contribution to Selangor is unbeatable, apart from revealing the Zakaria’s case, he managed to reveal alot of wrongs of two MB’s before Khir, inclusive of Muhammad Taib. It is not wrong to say, Teng single handledly make the previous 3 MB of Selangor loses their position. The contribution mentioned above by the fellow bloggers about Teng is understatement. He definitely deserves more praises.
But I fully supports the CEC decisions on appointing Teresa, Ronnie and Ean Yong. A formidable line up to me. I have met them all.
I don’t have insider news, let me tell you what I believe.
For the 3 EXCO positions,
- previous achievements or works are not related or relevant. Michael Chong’s contribute the most to MCA in terms of service, but he don’t make Minister. Chew Mei Fun is one of the most hardworking MPs for her constituency, but she lose her MP place. It is not relevant, what you can do on your service and the suitability to field the place.
An EXCO must do EXCO works,
- In DAP context, DAP needs 3 person for the EXCO that are TEAM players, 3 of them can work together in this team, can support each other and can work as a team to check UMNO, or even to certain extent PAS or PKR.
- Star players don’t work for DAP in the current situation, team players are more important for DAP.
I am not saying Teng is not a good team player and person that like to do one-man show. I am not saying that.
But what I try to say is, it is DAP prerogative to decide who is the 3 most suitable one to work as a team. And they have make the decision. And we should respect the decision because they know best, which 3 are the most suitable one that can work as a team.
If whoever, which work hard and solves alot of people problem will get the highest position, Michael Chong should be MCA president and Chew Mei Fun should win the election with a big margin. They are good worker, but doesn’t mean they will be a good Minister or MP or exco member.
And DAP is not in position to tell why A is chosen, why B is chosen. Each person has his own strength and weakness, and it is demotivating for B, if DAP tell the whole world why B is not chosen. B should be told by DAP why he is not chosen. I believe this is the case. And case close.
If this is not the case, I agree that DAP should work on this.
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 12.44
chanjoe, your reply indicates that you imply that Teresa Kok, Ronnie Liu and Ean Yong will betray the people’s interests. For shame!
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 17.09
chanjoe ,
Ean Yong is the Selangor DAP chairman. But he is only a puppet. “It is not easy to be a party head in Selangor DAP if you not follow the mainstream”, says a DAP state assemblyman.
Therefore Ean Yong is only a representation. I am interested to know who maneuvour this young and inexperienced guy. Its interesting, isn’t it?
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 22.03
ckloh … in that case … next time u make sure DAP dun ask UMNO about this:
(1) Why definition of who is poor is based on skin, but not a formula like calculation of salary per family which is more convincing
(2) Why 80 percent of the tax contributed by chinese but chinese school is not fully subsidise yearly
(3) Why non-bumi scoring many As is rejected to enter local university, but other less achiivement can
(4) Why contracts is not open tendered
(5) Why non-bumi are treated like 2nd class citizen
(6) and etc …
Coz UMNO will answer you with this:
(1) Score many As does not necessary can enter local u. Coz if based on perfoemance, micheal chong already MCA president
(2) They are not in position to tell why u choosen to enter local university, why contract is not open tendered and etc …. coz like u said, each have weakness and stregth, and it will demotivating for A and B & bla bla bla
Will you accept this answer from UMNO next time?
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 53.28
From this chaotic condition, emerges a tremendous opportunity for the PM to carve a honorable place for himself in the history of Malaysia.
The present bleak and depressing circumstances can defeat the spirits of any man, but the PM should look beyond this and seize the opportunity that has presented itself.
This opportunity, if capitalised by the PM, can create a just, prosperous, safe, harmonious and happy nation for the Malaysian rakyat.
All that are required of the PM is his commitment to walk the path and his determination to stay the course :-
> the commitment to come up with programs to improve the livelihood of all poor Malaysians (regardless of race),
> the commitment to reinstate the judiciary to its rightful place, as the third branch of the democratic system,
> the commitment to say and act in a positive and democratic manner, in all things and, under all circumstance,
> the commitment to eradicate all corrupt practices encountered so as to strengthen the political fibre of Malaysian politics,
> the commitment to practise honest and transparent politics to change Malaysian politics for the better,
> the commitment to provide law and order as to guarantee security for the rakyat,
> the commitment to revitalise the economy by exercising proper and prudent resource management and by cutting wastages.
Through such deliberate commitments the rakyat can receive great benefits and the nation can be a paradise for the rakyat !
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 53.31
Mr. Lim,
I fully agree with your 8 points though there are many more but the 8 should be given priority by the BN government if they are sincere.
It is not really important that the BN carries the 8 proposals but as a responsible Opposition it is its duty to inform and highlight to the BN what its priorities are and what the rakyat expect of them.
I hope ALL the opposition MPs irrespective of their party ideology and manifesto would work together as Barisan Rakyat team and show the BN how parliament should be.
Don’t be baited by the likes in BN such as Nazri, KJ, Najib and the oxymoron Kerismuddin. Let them bark. It’s their right. Rabid dogs cannot be cured of their insane malady.Only time or death would put them out of their misery.
In the case of the above nut cases, their exit from parliament should suffice.
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 54.20
Dear KS,
I don’t think the PM will respond to the 8 demands. He is will only listen to his SON IN LAW.
Lets not wasting time with him, just concentrate on the 5 states will do!
WE, THE PENANG PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU AND THE BARISAN RAKYAT!
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 58.47
As transparent as DAP can be, there must be some thing best left unsaid.
Still most of us are not stakeholders in DAP, we just voted for them, are we even members to demand an answer from them ?
I’m sure that as members, there are proper channels to get an answer on why Teng was left out.
Having said that, it is probably the best thing for DAP CEC to come clean as to why Teng was left out.
I’m also curious as to what it means by “Perak DAP” have overstep their mandate, in the Perak MB fiasco. I know YB Ngeh and YB Nga personally and know them to be man of their words, so, really curious why DAP CEC decides to throw in the spanner at probably the worse of time…. and really put Perak DAP in a bind.
I guess each are entitled to work in their own mysterious ways.
March 25th, 2008 at 20: 59.46
mycroft,
Never have I indicated that Ronnie, Ean Yong and Teresa will betray the people. I am puzzled how you come to such a conclusion??????
What I meant was Teng has the experience in all his years of politics as an assemblyman.
Why don’t we use his experience over rookies in such a post?
My argument is that its a safer bet to have an experienced guy to face the UMNO hooligans.
If Teng is not a team player, then DAP should not have nominated him for the GE and then again, he shouldnt be the previous Opposition Leader and the post should have been given to Ng of Sekinchan.
My argument is we need all the experience and tenacity to prove that BR can rule Selangor and rule with good results so that in future GEs, Selangor shall be in BR rule. There’s no time for experimenting.
Ean Yong can bid his time to be tested as a new ADUn and come next GE he can then be promoted.
Ain’t that better?
March 25th, 2008 at 21: 02.31
I dont think we should be harping on about Teng in this blog. It is off topic for a start. What has Kit Siang got to do with a Selangor State matter?
Even before the exco list was announced, Teng had already predicted he would not be included because of his differences of opinion with the DAP. So there we have it, Teng knows the reason.
He has a great supporter in the from of Kua Kia Soong a well known vitriolic critic of the DAP lobbying for Teng in his article for Malaysiakini soon after the elections. If you do not show loyalty to a party or are not able to be a ‘teamplayer’, it would be disastrous for DAP to play an effective party role in the Selangor Government Exco.
If we look at the leaders blogs in the DAP website, Tengs blog became active almost after a year of deep slumber! Where was Teng from December 06 to Novermber 07? Missing in action? it would appear that he is only cctive when there is an opportunity for power and glamour just before the elections. Need I say anymore?
March 25th, 2008 at 21: 05.22
We are in the process to kick out the crony UMNO lead BN … and now … we thought that we can have a bright future with opposition … but with this Teng issue, is it indicates that DAP emerge as a new crony politic?
March 25th, 2008 at 21: 05.30
I dont think we should be harping on about Teng in this blog. It is off topic for a start. What has Kit Siang got to do with a Selangor State matter?
Even before the exco list was announced, Teng had already predicted he would not be included because of his differences of opinion with the DAP. So there we have it, Teng knows the reason.
He has a great supporter in the from of Kua Kia Soong , a well known vitriolic critic of the DAP lobbying for Teng in his article for Malaysiakini soon after the elections. If you do not show loyalty to a party or are not able to be a ‘teamplayer’, it would be disastrous for DAP to play an effective party role in the Selangor Government Exco.
If we look at the leaders blogs in the DAP website, Teng’s blog became active almost after a year of deep slumber! Where was Teng from December 06 to Novermber 07? Missing in action? It would appear that he is only active when there is an opportunity for power and glamour like just before the elections. Need I say anymore?
March 25th, 2008 at 21: 43.47
He’s very scared now!!!
Can’t even sleep well these days.
So Umno Election to be pospone till next year.
March 25th, 2008 at 21: 52.40
Hello Mr LKS,
All the 8 matters above are systematically aligned, it would be a great thing to witness the integrity of our representatives in the parliment tomorrow, unfortunately we don’t have a transparent parliment. We are left in the dark over 50 years, blind-folded, allowing the clay brained BEE ENN to draft bills of any kind that ruins alot for the minority.
A transparent parliment would foster the involvemnet and participation of the common citizen in the governmental decision-making processes.
In the presence of internet, the transparency of the parliment can be further improved, this can be done via your brilliant discussions with the BR.
As i was reading the matters above i noticed the abolish ISA act is not printed down, it certainly will be a thoughtful inclination towards the greater protection of human rights.I hope that Mr LKS will bring this matter up too.
Hope that the cabinet be a better place for understanding people’s rights and for the betterment of the economy and growth of the nation.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 00.54
chanjoe, your very words..
chanjoe Says:
Today at 19: 32.56 (2 hours ago)
mycroft…..do we want to have an EXCO who will follow party lines when faced with sticky situation like when BN MPs or SAs have to toe the line when rakyats’ interest is at stake as shown previously in all BN state assemblies and the Parliament?
So let’s look at it this way. You are championing Teng and saying that he will stand up for the rakyat’s interests. By inferrence you are saying that the 3 DAP ExCo members will not. Otherwise, why raise that matter at all?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 02.21
Is there a proxy war here? Sigh…. disillusionment.
Some of us demand explanation. But are we important enough to demand an explanation? I sure DAP will give us an explanation in due course if we are important enough. But I don’t think we are important enough now.
I read a news report someone asking Theresa Kok about Teng, and she said it is up to Teng. What kind of answer is that? But I am not taking side for I know nothing about all these people. I only know they are DAP ADUNs.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 05.27
ric23_my,
Will you accept this answer from UMNO next time?
I believe this is in line on what I am saying.
When you are talking about university pre-entry criteria, the main criteria is examination result, if they is other criterias involved, it is important every applicants should know the exact criterias, so that all the applicants can be prepare themselves to ensure they all qualify. This is call fair play.
For a leadership selection for certain position, all the applicants should know the exact criterias too. As I mentioned earlier, Teng should know why he is chosen or why he is not chosen. But for the public, I don’t think it is necessary for the public to know. The public are not the candidates for the position, why they need to know? There are more cons to pros, if the exact criteria is told public. And also, the criteria for choosing exco on 2008, and the criteria for choosing exco on 2012, might be very different. It is all depends on situation. So, it is not wise, to tell the public as there is not standard benchmark. I mentioned again, it is all depends on situation. To promote fair play, the candidates must know.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 11.21
We said we reject crony, but now we implement crony …
We ask BN to have tranparent policies, as rakyat have the rights to know about it … yet when ppl asking wat is the criteria for selection of Selangor exco … but DAP not interested to explain … only with reason it is decided and no need to ask further …
Is this a double standard that we hate all the while that always used by UMNO Putera? Like Uncle lim ask boycott Perak assembly ceremony and they scold biadap, yet they can boycott in terengganu …
With this Teng issue, wat is the difference between DAP and UMNO Putra?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 19.30
ckloh,
With ur fair play approach, it seems that u have so called double standard mind like wat we critics UMNO Putra is having …
be4 election, propaganda of us “Rakyat is the boss”, and rakyat have the rights to know everything, that’s y we want tranparency … but now in this case … u said “I don’t think it is necessary for the public to know” … does it sound convincing or double standard?
It is very obvious Teng know why he will not be selected, not becoz of his qualification, but becoz of he is not the same group with the crony … this happen also with Fong of Batu Gajah …
When we ask ppl to be transparent, we must be tranparent as well. Else, how we can convince the others?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 26.26
ric23_my,
Where is the double standard?
I don’t think your definition of transparency equal to rakyat have the rights to know everything is not convincing.
When we are talking about transparency of project tender, those who concerns must know everything. Rakyat might be part of it, so rakyat must know how it works.
And when we are talking about transparency of leaders selection, those who concerns must know everything too. Rakyat not part of it, why rakyat must know?
It is too different scenario, if I can convince you to see it. It is two different things, not sure why you compare both scenario.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 31.42
selection of talented and capable leader will benefit the rakyat … since it involve rakyat interest …
If ur argument selection of leader do not need to be known by rakyat … but when abdullah included Najib and some of the contraversial minister in the cabinet list … we opposition make very huge noise ask for explaination with excuse rakyat have the right to know about it … did u read newspaper on this matter?
this is not a double standard?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 33.36
If they do/follow just 1 which has been suggested by Uncle Lim,
I will cut off all my hair to botak!! Forget about it, and let’s vote for DAP, PKR and PAS in the next election too. Let DAP, PKR,
and PAS win even BIGGER, and let them take over the federal government. I have zero hope towards BN now!
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 36.11
Don’t be too hopeful about the BN government. Pak Lah still wants to sleep on his job for another 50 years.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 43.02
Dear YB
WHY ONLY 8 POINTS, WHY NOT ALL THE INJUSTICES THAT BN CREATED OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS. SUCH AS
1. GOVERNMENT POST - 45% SHOULD BE HOLD BY NON-MALAY
2. EDUCATION POST - AS ABOVE
3. POLICE AND ARMY POST - AS ABOVE
4. BANKLICENCE - as above
5 etc etc etc
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 45.30
Dear YB …
Add one more
(1) Why Teng is not in Selangor exco but Ean and ronnie liu?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 48.12
DAP questions UMNO the transparency of university qualification, because rakyat is part of it, so rakyat must know exactly how the formula works.
DAP questions UMNO the transparency of project tender, because rakyat is part of it, so rakyat must know too exactly how the formula works.
DAP has not questions the transparency of UMNO leadership selection criteria, because rakyat have nothing to do with it. It is their family business, let them settle themselves. Has DAP questions the formula of UMNO choosing their treasurer, for example?
So, why rakyat questions DAP leadership selection criteria, and say DAP apply double standard? It is their family business too.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 50.25
(1) Why Teng is not in Selangor exco but Ean and ronnie liu?
There is enough hint given above. TEAMWORK.
Of course, this is public general opinion, not from the mouth of LKS.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 52.40
Teng is famous with his work. But is Teng famous with his TEAMWORk?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 53.00
ckloh,
A good and talented leader will bring benefit to the rakyat. Why rakyat cannot ask to know about it?
If that is the case, all the rakyat kenot complain for abdullah coz he is selected by BN? But we keep complaining on his leadership …. this is not double standard?
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 55.52
Firstly, I declare I do not know Teng.
I heard him speak at a Hannah Yeoh’s ceramah in Subang Jaya and he was really good. Prima facie, basing on seniority and track record, he should be selected to be on Exco of Selangor.
Having no knowledge of the person as an outsider, I would not like to venture to support or not to support him for the position. I would only advise that “true gold is not scared of fire”. Teng will outshine others if he continues to perform well in the Selangor DUN.
Meanwhile, I will not speculate about the Teng issue and would give full confidence and support to the DAP leadership. We have a chance to kick them out if they do not perform in 4 to 5 years’ time. The time now is to consolidate and work; not bicker.
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 56.58
ckloh, u have to differentiate between crony and teamwork
March 25th, 2008 at 22: 57.00
BN till now still does not admit that they have done
so many wrong things, which lead them to such a big
lose. Yet, they still mention that rakyat actually does
not want to see BN to kalah big time, and … wowwowo,
the more I type… the more I get pissed off by their
no-changing-attitude.
I REALLY can see that BN will KALAH even BIG TIME
in the next election!!!!!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 00.06
ric23_my,
You are refering to different thing now again. Have I said rakyat cannot complain?
Of course we can complain.
I just said DAP have no obligation to tell their leadership selection criteria to you, because you have no interest in it. If they tell you openly the leadership weakness, it gives a signal to the leader that he is not wanted and leave the party. And we lose a leader.
Just to satisfy you, and lose a leader. Worth it?
And also, the leader is not selected now, doesn’t mean they don’t like him. Just that it depends on SITUATION. And this SITUATION, the leader is not suitable, but in future, the leader might be VERY VERY IMPORTANT in another suitable position, maybe bigger role.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 00.37
This Teng is a senior member of DAP, with his achievements for the past 4 times of ADUN … at least DAP should show some respect …
A member that contribute so much to the party, but the party dod not even appreciate … do u think the party DAP will appreciate normal ppl like me, that contribute only one small vote to them?
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 01.25
ckloh, u have to differentiate between crony and teamwork
I rest my case. You already have your own conclusion, so waste my time.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 05.18
ckloh, i think u do not know wat is happening, beside this Teng, how about the others?
Lim Lam Thai, quit DAP and join MCA … a nice person also who is handling the national service at the moment
Wong, the one won parliament seat in wangsa maju, quit DAP also and now plan to join PKR
The talented girl, Fong from Batu Gajah, that almost quit before election but then contest again …
This teng is not abodan in current selangor exco list, is alredi many years excluded in the DAP mainstream
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 15.30
k1980 Says:
Why, why did I ever listen to that blasted idiot of a fengshui master? Should had followed my son in law’s advice and held the GE way back in 2005… that way I can still have 2/3 majority
http://bp2.blogger.com/_vfmsQiwqihc/R-h0Pai74dI/AAAAAAAAEG4/WdaegoXJoaw/s1600-h/pak-lah-tgn-kepala.jpg
Hey K1980,
Parliament must exist a minimum of 3 years.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 15.31
Lim Lam Thai, quit DAP and join MCA … a nice person also who is handling the national service at the moment
Goodness me.. Lim Lam Thai quit? Oh god!! Who is Lim Lam Thai?
Wong, the one won parliament seat in wangsa maju, quit DAP also and now plan to join PKR
Wong won the seat in Wangsa Maju? hmm.. Dear me… I don’t recall a Wong winning.
Moral of the story. If you can’t get your facts right, it really spoils your credibility.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 20.14
it is wee choo keong, not wong in Wangsa Maju. I reluctant to comment on the other leaders, as I do not know exactly what happen. Unless you are internal people in DAP, then I think it is fair for you to comment.
But base on the criteria above by teejay,
1) Put party interests first
2) Team player
And base on what I heard personally from Teng in his ceramah, I don’t think he is the suitable person that fulfill the two criteria above.
I say this base on my own understanding and opinion, in one scenario, he mentioned that he teared out some important document and because he is not willing to apologise, he is banned from attending DUN meeting for 2.5 years, if I am not mistaken.
Personally, I respect him very very much, because he has principle, and do the right things, and sacrifice his pencen money, that worth 6 figures.
But what this means, it means DAP is only represented by the ADUN from Sekincan, and there is only 1 opposition for more than two years.
Is this what we call put the party interest first? Is this what we call team work?
DAP certainly can not afford to have exco that act this way at this moment. The war is just begin, there is no room for personal interest first before party interest.
Again, this is personal observation and I don’t have internal news. You can check out what I said in Teng’s blog too, and it is up to you to make your judgement.
I do agree, teng is very popular and has the most contributions among all the 13 ADUNs for Selangor. I rest my case now.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 21.05
The whole issue on Teng is very simple.
What he possess :
Seniority
Experience
Loyalty
Ex-Opposition Leader
Steadfast Conviction On DAP’s Stand For The Rakyat
Assistance In Ceramahs For Young & New Faces In The Recent GE eg. Hannah Yeoh (Subang Jaya), Lee Ying Ha (Teratai), Johor Candidates etc…
I am not Teng’s loyal supporter but I feel that the above qualities are more than enough for him to be selected by DAP to be EXCO Selangor.
I never said or implied that Teresa, Ronnie or Ean Yong are not capable but if we have a much more qualified candidate, why not select him?
We as loyal DAP suppoters are of course liable to a good explanation from DAP on the criteria of selection, don’t we?
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 23.36
PM should do something boldly to bring about good changes in the country. If he is kicked out because of that, he will be remembered as a good PM. Ptherwise he will be remembered as the lousiest PM.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 27.36
ok, apologise for translation error, as i translate the name directly from mandarin …
wat we want is very simple, wat is the criteria for selection of selangor exco member … we are not asking to compare who is good or not good …
but at a glance, we see something not logic, and ask for requirements on selection, is it too much?
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 29.06
Oh and did Lam Thye ever join MCA? I thought he just went solo.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 31.39
We as loyal DAP suppoters are of course liable to a good explanation from DAP on the criteria of selection, don’t we?
On my opinion, we should rest the case since DAP CEC already decided.
Imagine, all of the people that have a ‘war’ here are not supporters for any leaders, inclusive myself, what happen we continue to bring up this issue and the impact among the loyal supporters of the leaders involve?
Just get explanation from DAP, and risk internal conflict, does it really worth it? The war is just begin look ahead.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 35.04
Lee Lam Thye never join MCA, but joined a Government agency called PEMADAM, as their chairman.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 38.36
This is a critical issue, as we do not want DAP just a government for penang for next 5 years, and lost in the next election …
just for this issue, ppl around vote for opposition (previously BN) in this GE, comments and critics on this … ask wat is the different between DAP and UMNO Putra -> labelled with crony
Later on if Anwar competing for the parliment seats … he needs chinese voters … u have to know chinese usually the decision is ery floating … Teng issue make them have impression that if opposition take over, it will be unstable due to crony …
if anwar is going to lose because of this, how the opposition can take over the federal government?
ppl around me alredi make noise of this, i guess ppl around u more or less can see some making noise as well?
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 46.21
“But I am not taking side for I know nothing about all these people. I only know they are DAP ADUNs.” limkamput
Who is asking you to?? No doubt a bloated sense of self importance!
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 50.11
ric23 says
“ckloh, i think u do not know wat is happening, beside this Teng, how about the others?
Lim Lam Thai, quit DAP and join MCA … a nice person also who is handling the national service at the moment
Wong, the one won parliament seat in wangsa maju, quit DAP also and now plan to join PKR”
ric23 betrays his ignorance = Lee Lam Thye is not a “nice person” he betrayed the DAP when he quit just before the GE in 1986 and we had to scramble to get someone to contest in Bukt Bintang. In return he got a Tan Sri, director of Sime Darby with a personal driver and a Mercedes.
It is patently obvious that Teng’s hand behind the various blogs extolling his virtues even after party leadership has decided on the Exco. This shows up his true colours, ie personal ambition rather than party interest. His job is to undermine the credibility and integrity of the DAP leadership. Do you notice how many postings begin with ” I don’t know Teng personally …..and then go on to tell us 10 reasons why he should be chosen. Very suspicious …..
Yes, Teng …pls tell us why your blog inactive from Dec 06 to Nov 07 as found out by Malaysian for Equality - good job , Bro !
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 52.41
i suggest Teng should resign and join PKR for better future. We cant blame him if he quits DAP. I do know understand why Teresa Kok is selected as EXCO since she has been holding the MP post. Some time I also do not understand the management of DAP. Really make me headache.Hope LKS is reading all comments here.
March 25th, 2008 at 23: 57.02
So we are on the ’same boat’, just different opinion.
Understand on your concern, I think you worry too much. In politics, you can’t make every single people happy. Come next election, they will make the right judgement and comparing both. I am sure they can differentiate it.
What BN go through is 100% crony, which we have alot alot of proves. Need not to say more. On Teng’s issue related to crony, it is just assumption of some, you can speculate, but can you give me the prove? Even, you can give me the prove, what you will do? Boycott the next election, and spoilt your vote?
BR is not perfect, and not a single party in the world is perfect. Politic is dirty. At the end, how you are going to make judgement, choose the one that is slightly cleaner. Don’t expect BR can be 100% pure and perfect.
If people want to make noise, it is their choice, but can you say BN is better than BR, just because of one single issue of Teng. If you say yes, I would say you are short sighted.
BN loses not because of one issues, there are hundred of issues that are far far more important than this, and they can’t explain to the rakyat. That is why they lose so badly.
Since, Teng already settled, and just view his blog’s newest theme. So, move ahead.
My personal opinion is, if we don’t look ahead, and continue with this issue, your friend will make noise too, why internal conflict, fighting among ourselves. No matter what, your friend will complain, does it relevant? Look ahead.
If Teng really have what it takes, I will say, this is even better to him. He is the most senior here, so he has to helps 3 of his colleagues jobs too. And if he don’t mind and help them, it certainly helps his career, and who knows because of this role, he is the one that benefited most, he might hold up a more important role in the federal cabinet in 5 years time because of this.
If Teng is not happy and can’t get rid of this, then I am glad, he is just not the leader that we thought he is.
[As much has been said, let me assure all that the DAP team in the PKR-DAP-PAS Selangor state coalition government includes Teng as well as the three DAP Excos, Teresa, Ronnie and Ean Yong. As the full DAP team in the Selangor coalition state government has not been formed, it is premature to explain. Suffice for the present to say that all four, i.e. Teresa, Teng, Ronnie and Ean Yong are fully conscious of the responsibility of working as a team to make a success of the coalition state government. Manoharan will be the fifth member of the DAP team in Selangor state government when he is released from ISA, hopefully very soon.- Kit]
March 26th, 2008 at 00: 03.25
We came back from an insurance award nite. There were significant number of Insurance People took part in the last GE. Some won and other who went up in the wee hours and lost.
There are speculation that we will see Opp state members (now state council members) being made Datuk. Some state members are already ready to kow dow to make ways for the Datukship.
People are just ordinary people. We dun