Siapa yang biadap sekarang


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by Md Asmawi Md Nor

Saya bersetuju bahawa Saudara telah tersilap dalam isu majlis angkat sumpah MB Perak tetapi saya juga sangat hormat apabila Saudara dengan cepat menyedari kesilapan tersebut dan dengan segera memperbetulkannya dan melakukan tindakan yang tepat dengan memohon maaf kepada pihak istana secara peribadi. Tahniah atas tindakan anda tersebut.

Nah, sekarang Terengganu pula menghadapi isu yang sama dimana 23 Adun dengan segera mengumumkan untuk memboikot majlis angkat sumpah MB Terengganu yang dijangka akan diadakan esok sebaik sahaja ayam tambatan mereka Idris Jusoh tidak terpilih sebagai MB. Seperti biasa, media UMNO Utusan Malaysia akan bersikap ‘double-standard’ dalam menanggani isu ini. Maksud saya secara spesifik ialah bila mana Saudara mengeluarkan statement dalam isu MB Perak dulu, Utusan Malaysia dengan segera dan ‘bold’ terus dengan muka depan “DAP Biadap’, dan dikuti dengan pelbagai rentetan propaganda dan provokasi lagi. Saya sebagai rakyat Terengganu mahukan perkara yang sama kali ini dilakukan oleh Utusan Malaysia dalam menanggani isu 23 Adun yang biadap ini termasuk Idris Jusoh. Tajuk yang perlu keluar dimuka depan mereka sekurang-kurangnya ’23 Adun Biadap’. Mereka semua juga perlu memohon maaf seperti mana yang Saudara lakukan dahulu.

Saya amat berharap Saudara dapat memantau isu ini dengan diberi perhatian istimewa agar UMNO khasnya sedar jangan hanya pandai melihat orang lain biadap tetapi mereka sendiri boleh bersikap biadap dan bertindak sesuka hati mereka. Macamlah negara ini tiada undang-undang.

Sekian,

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  1. #1 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 9:51 pm

    It is time Sultans and their heirs attend a course in constitutional law – or at least consult their state legal advisor.

  2. #2 by pgsilai on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 9:54 pm

    It is also believed that the sultan was also unhappy with the “apparent cockiness” shown by Idris during his tenure as menteri besar. However he has backing of the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister and 22 BN assembly representatives. Ha22 tell me who is Biadad now? Birds of a same feather flock together.

  3. #3 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 9:54 pm

    The failing is that of the system of parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch and not the Malay rulers.

  4. #4 by pjboy on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 9:54 pm

    Believe there is also a reason for HRH Agong for doing this. Besides true guts, he is also trying to open his Rakyat’s eyes…indirectly. Action speak louder than words.

  5. #5 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:01 pm

    Constitutional crises of this nature should be welcome if only because they will test the system and our belief in the working of a constitutional monarchy. Trengganu represents a unique situation and the best opportunity for us to put our beliefs to a test. It is unique in that it is not complicated by non-Malay issues. It is wholly a Malay affair.

  6. #6 by lkc57 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:04 pm

    Idris had had his chance as MB of Terengganu. The Sultan has no good reason to refuse him this time if he had carried out his responsibility and duty according to the needs of the People. The Sultan is right to decide in the best interest for his subjects.

    Let’s have a snap by election. PAS, PKR and DAP can move in to grab the state from these power crazy UMNOputras denying them another state to govern. Also, by then, our Saudara Annuar has his ticket to be contesting candidate without having to sacrifice one of PKR winners to make way for him.

  7. #7 by pjboy on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:09 pm

    On one-hand it may be a total Malay affair. However, it is also big oil-$ affair. Oil royalties go back to state-gov for projects…who controls state-gov & who give out state projects? Korek, korek, korek. In the end, the total sum still goes to BN (oil-$ & oil royalties). How is this conspiracy theory?

  8. #8 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:13 pm

    Issues like whether a non-Malay could be an Mentri Besar, whether the state constitution allows any say to the Sultan in his choice of who best represents ‘his’ government are some of the issues now surfacing.

    My disappointment in the case of the state of Perak is that the DAP gave in to PKR and PAS – and the Sultan. The opportunity we had of testing the state constitution and the constitutional role the sultan has in the choice of the Mentri Besar who was to lead his Majesty’s government was lost.

  9. #9 by maxplus on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:14 pm

    The ppl should demand an apology from BN for this act of ” menderhaka” to the Ruler at the same magnitude the voice of protest raised towards LKS earlier during the Perak MB swearing in.

    This is indeed the most disgraceful thing happen to the Rulers supremacy since 50 years of independance.

    Well LKS did apologies for his no offense to Perak Sultan.

    Pak Lah and Idris; are meant to say you both fellas are above the King or your party constitution overwrites the Federal Law???

  10. #10 by tokki20 on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:30 pm

    Episod ini hanya mengesahkan lagi kelemahan kepimpinan Pak Lah. Beliau sepatutnya dgn mudah mengambil tindakan proaktif untuk mengadap Sultan Terengganu bagi menyelesaikan perkara ini dgn baik.
    Nampaknya sudah terlewat…..,Pak lah…Pak Lah hang tidok ka????

  11. #11 by Godfather on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:40 pm

    BN reps have mirrors everywhere. They have mirrors that talk back and tell them that they are the best, the greatest, the smartest. For this, we can thank KJ who has built the biggest talking mirror for his father-in-law.

  12. #12 by smeagroo on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:43 pm

    Most of us here have criticised YB Lim for his previous actions in rgd to the swearing-in of MB Perak me included. So i ask each of us (holier-than-thou) to condemn these Umno scums to the ground. Make sure we dont practice double standards. :)

  13. #13 by blablowbla on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:46 pm

    that’s why from the beginning,the BN shouldnt use ‘dacing’ as their logo,it’s an iusult to justice!
    All the while the UMNO only shouted like mad dogs,they never behave themselves,and they always accusing other ppl being arrogant,rude or uneducated(kurang ajar)!
    imagine,an education minister never even know how to cross-examine himself whether it is crucial to proceed with brandishing’kris’,and the fellow UMNO leaders all defenced him!

    to me,UMNO is the most ‘kurang ajar’ ppl in malaysia,they put the laws into their hands,always twisting facts!

    look at the issue of hopping to another party,which was the party that always bribe other’s to join them?Why the issue was not discussed,why suddenly they critisize those who wishes to hop over to another party???

  14. #14 by lbl on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:46 pm

    YB,
    What goes round come around.
    Please be very patient and let UMNO settle this problem. At the end we will know the true reason when they want Idris Jusoh as MB.The picture is getting clearer.

  15. #15 by negarawan on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 10:48 pm

    We appeal to DYMM Sultan Terengganu to call for a snap poll. UMNO and Badawi are showing utter disrespect for DYMM and the rakyat. We all know that greedy and corrupt UMNOputras are after the oil royalties and need someone whom it can control in the MB seat.

  16. #16 by cmbss on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 11:07 pm

    It’s Official! PM Abdullah vs. The King/Sultan of Terengganu!

    http://howsy.blogspot.com/

  17. #17 by kcb on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 11:08 pm

    Looks like Mior Azman Mior Aris of UMNO has put his foot into his mouth!!!

    Mior Azman, now tell your UMNO colleagues to apologize to the DYMM Sultan of Terengganu.

  18. #18 by cheng on soo on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 11:14 pm

    Tetapi, apa salah nya, jika Sultan nak lantik Amad Said itu.?
    UMNO tak dapat beri satu alasan/jelasan/sebab yang tepat untuk membantah lantikan tersebut. kenapa hanya Idris Jusoh boleh menjadi MB. (jika Sultan tetap tak terima, apa pula?). keliru lah!
    Tak hormat Sultan dan tak hormat DYMM Agung juga!

  19. #19 by pkrisnin on Sunday, 23 March 2008 - 11:36 pm

    When I saw the TV3 new on UMNO members having a demonstration about to support Idris outside the Istana, I was wondering where Taib was with his biadap speech.

  20. #20 by AirJ on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:18 am

    Salam all
    This is indeed very unsettling especially for me Terengganuians. I do wish HRH would call for snap election so that PAS/BR can take back the state. It was reported that Ahmad Said has the backing of 7/8 division leaders which prompted istana to appoint him as MB. So, I think UMNO members are divided over this issue. HRH of Terengganu is very much liked by the people. If asked to choose between Idris and HRH, I think 9/10 would choose HRH. Cuma UMNO has not just biadap but MENDERHAKA to HRH for doing this. I like what PSM and others have mentioned…it’s kesetiaan kepada Raja dan Negara. UMNO/BN has pissed in their pants over this issue. I for one am glad because this would:
    1) Show rakyat what a bunch of pricks these UMNO/BN are
    2) Enable re-election for Terengganu
    Long live BR!

  21. #21 by negarawan on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:20 am

    Badawi spent hours at the Sepang International Cicuit today, but had no time to seek audience with the DYMM Sultan and Agung to clarify matters. Badawi, you still have your priorities wrong. Looks like the GE results means nothing to you. Please resign with UMNO and return some dignity to Malaysia.

  22. #22 by AirJ on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:24 am

    negarawan
    you’re right…he feels F1 is more important than settling this issue – what the HECK is he thinking? It’s a freaking turmoil in K.Trg. Police/Army are everywhere with helicopters and all that. Trg could be in chaos easily with clashes between Idris ppl and HRH supporters. It’s a shame…

  23. #23 by cinta_adil on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:36 am

    Saya terpanggil untuk komen sedikit mengenai artikel di atas dan komen pembaca-pembaca di sini. Saya amat-amat marah dengan tindakan UMNO menentang keputusan Sultan melalui pejabatnya mengenai perlantikan MB Terengganu. Saya orang Melayu, saya beragama Islam. Sistem BERAJA telah sebati dengan orang Melayu sebelum di jajah oleh bangsa asing lagi! Even di jajah sekalipun, sistem beraja tetap kekal, sehinggalah ke hari ini selepas merdeka. Apa yang tidak relevannya dengan Sistem Raja Berperlembagaan? Adakah ia bersifat Komunis? Atau bersifat Sosialis yang keterlaluan? Apa kurang Ratu England dalam memerintah negaranya? Begitu juga dengan Raja-Raja atau Sultan-Sultan di negara lain? Salahkah sistem ini? Tak cukup demokrasikah kita? Kenapa sampai ada yang sanggup menghina dan mencabar Sistem Beraja kita? Kenapa perlu pertikaikan? Dan kenapa ada antara pembaca di sini bersifat sunggu ekstrem menafikan Sistem Beraja Berpelembagaan kita? Kenapa? Anda hendak sebebas mana? Kita ada undang-undang. Kita ada asas perlembagaan yang kuat. Kenapa perlu pertikaikan semua ini?

    Seperti pembaca bernama chuchueey yang ibarat mempertikaikan peranan Sultan. Apa akan jadi jika Perak tidak ada Sultan? Kemungkinan besar, anda semua sesama parti-parti politik pembangkang akan bergaduh sampai tak berpenghujung. Sultan itu melihat, menafsir, mendengar dan menilai apa yang terbaik untuk rakyat. Baginda ingin memastikan MB yang dipilih diterima SEMUA rakyat, bukan satu parti politik. Ini Barisan RAKYAT. Itu peranan Sultan, bukan duduk senang lenang dan bermewah-mewah sahaja. Apa yang terjadi di Terengganu juga sama. Itu negeri Baginda. Dia punya hak untuk memastikan keadaan stabil. Negeri tak stabil, rakyat huru-hara, adakah Sultan tetap akan selesa dan duduk diam? Tidak bukan? Ia melibatkan semua pihak. SEMUA.

    Dalam hal berbangkit mengenai Syariah Law, kenapa perlu dipertikaikan? Kami orang Islam tak menggunakan undang-undang itu kepada agama lain, kecuali yang beragama ISLAM. Dalam kes Lina Joy yang dibangkitkan, telah terbukti dia dilahirkan sebagai orang Islam, ibu-bapa Islam, dalam keluarga Islam. Jadi, dia tertakluk di bawah undang-undang Islam dan sivil. Kalau dia nak kahwin dan isytiharkan kepada satu DUNIA dia Kristian, tidak menjadi masalah langsung! Kami orang Islam juga berpandangan terbuka. Yang jadi masalahnya, kenapa dia berdegil tidak mahu membuat pengakuan KELUAR Islam di mahkamah Syariah terlebih dahulu? Apa masalahnya? Selepas itu, jika benar (pastinya), keluar dari Islam, Lina Joy berhak untuk menukar nama, kad pengenalan, dan kahwin sesama Kristian dengan bebas. Kenapa tak nak mengikut proses undang-undang? Kenapa? Inilah yang menjadi persoalan. Dalam Islam di Malaysia, kita ada hitam putih mengatakan kita Islam. Bukan sekadar ucapan.

    Dan kenapa pula orang-orang bukan ISLAM lain takut dengan SYARIAH LAW? Ia hanya untuk orang Islam. Kami yang Islam yang perlu risau. Sebabnya? Kami tertakluk kepada 2 (DUA) undang-undang. Sekali lagi ditegaskan, DUA bukan SATU. Kami tertekan? Kami risau? Tak pernah dengar pun antara orang-orang Islam mempertikaikan undang-undang Syariah.

    Semua kes-kes mahkamah (sivil dan syariah) ikut prosedur. Ada hitam putih. Kenapa perlu pertikaikan?

    Saya hanya cuba ingin melihat semua sudut dari segi rasionalnya sahaja. Bukan marah, bukan melenting. Yang jadi masalah ialah ketidakfahaman dan salah guna kuasa oleh pemerintah (BN) sekarang. Itu kita kene perbetulkan. Kita kene tahu asas PERLEMBAGAAN yang membentuk MALAYSIA. Saya masih lagi tidak nampak kepincangan dalam perlembagaan kita, yang membentuk sosial kontrak rakyat Malaysia. Yang jadi masalah, sekali lagi ditegaskan, cara perlaksanaannya. Itu kita semua kene faham. Itu sebab saya undi Barisan Rakyat. Banyak sangat salahnya dengan BN. Sangat-sangat banyak.

    Janganlah juga ada di kalangan kita (Barisan Rakyat) yang Cina, India, merasa tertindas oleh orang Melayu. Kalau betul Perlembagaan kita salah, dah lama Malaysia ini seperti South Africa di zaman Apartheid dulu. Kita perlu ubah mentaliti kita. Seabgai satu contohnya, bila India miskin, kita salahkan orang Melayu. Bila Cina tak dapat bantuan, kita salahkan orang Melayu. Bila Melayu miskin? Oh… sebab mereka MALAS! ADILkah mentaliti sebegitu? Kita perlu dari sekarang berfikir sebagai rakyat Malaysia. Kita perlu berubah berfikir ke arah itu. Dan sebagai rakyat Malaysia, kita ada RAJA. Itu sahaja.

    Semua kenalah adil dan saksama. Saya sayang Malaysia.

  24. #24 by Old Geezer on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:40 am

    The selection of the MB should not be a big deal to the PM because there is no reason that only one particular person is qualified. This event jsut shows the arrogance of the PM and UMNO going against the constitution and tradition.
    They just don’t want to lose face with the “pantan dicabar” attitude especially after losing big in the recent election and giving in to the Sultan in Perlis.
    What they are doing does not make it right for others to follow or to justify what LKS did.
    Just like PAS losing Kelantan in 1978 after the snap election, I am quite sure UMNO would lose Terengganu if there is again a snap election today. PAS would win by just telling the Terengganu Malays that UMNO has gone against the Sultan.

  25. #25 by negarawan on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:45 am

    Cinta adil…..well said!

  26. #26 by Old Geezer on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:54 am

    “The state MCA, Gerakan and MIC are standing behind Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in his choice of Datuk Seri Idris Jusoh for Terengganu Mentri Besar.” Star Online

    These foolish Chinese and Indian leaders just not very smart.
    They should just let this be an UMNO-Sultan fight. Not very smart for Chinese and Indians to be involved.

  27. #27 by justiciary on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 12:55 am

    Utusan is biadap if they dare not headline UMNO biadap.They have lost the respect of professional journalism by their readers.Again the bunch of thieves who shouted loud and clear that demonstration was not their culture should now slap their faces hard and also put their feet into their mouths.

  28. #28 by pjboy on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 1:19 am

    Hope the DYMM our King could see what Cinta_Adil just wrote.

    Star Online: Someone just push the “bark” button & all these component parties start to bow-wow for the master. It appears UMNO truly believes that Terengganu belongs to them, even the rights to it. The true colours revealed.

    Financially, BN lost a few key states (incl. FT), seems they are desperate not to lose Terengganu due to oil-$. Deep inside they know in the next GE, there is a lot of uncertainty for BN…thus, makan sepenuhnya the next 4-5 years. Terengganu will be left high & dry. Looks like someone’s new house/istana & new S-class got to wait.

  29. #29 by pjboy on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 1:28 am

    I say let UMNO boycott. They can boycott forever if they want & surrender without contest to PAS-BR. The new MB can carry on without them (surely can still run without the 22-23 cronies). Let Terengganu Rakyat take back what’s theirs & decide how’s best for their own people. Any excess boleh pinjam to 5-BR states + FT kah?

  30. #30 by ZhouYu on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 2:03 am

    Very well said cinta_adil!

  31. #31 by cucu adam on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 2:09 am

    It will be interesting to see the headlines for tomorrow newspapers. When Lim Kit Siang directed the 15 State Assemblymen to boycott the swearing ceremony of the new MB, they accused him as disrespect for the Sultan of Perak. UMNO even organised a demonstration demanding Lim to make an opened apology to the Sultan of Perak.

    Will the newspapers headlines tomorrow highlighted 23 ADUN TRENGGANU BIADAP. Will UMNO organise a demonstration demanding the 23 ADUN to seek pardon from the Sultan. Ahmad Badawi, Tengku Adnan and the AG Gani Patil should also do likewise.

    I will bet my life that no pardon from the 23 ADUN, Ahmad Badawi, Tengku Adnan and AG Gani Patil will be made, and that UMNO will not organise a demonstration demanding the 23 ADUN to seek pardon from the Sultan.

    And all this explains what Justice is to the UMNO/BN is all about. Let us hope the rakyat in Trengganu will bear witness to this shameful act of UMNO/BN.

  32. #32 by bennylohstocks on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 2:21 am

  33. #33 by somaris on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 2:49 am

    All Concern.
    Lets all of us here pass the Massage to all the People .
    Make 1st APRIL,2008
    NO MORE RTM 1,2,TV3.
    NO MORE UTUSAN,BERITA HARIAN,THE STAR
    ALL ARE LIAR.
    WE want the true STORY.
    LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
    GOD BLESS Lim Kit Siang,LIm Guan Eng.

    From IRELAND MALAYSIA

  34. #34 by petestop on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 2:52 am

    cinta_adil,

    I agreed with most of what you said…. yes, it is too easy to blame the person next to you for your predicament… especially if he is somehow “different” from you.

    However, I do not agree with you on the Lina Joy case, the reason is that under Syariah Law, apostasy is a crime. Therefore, if Lina is to be subjected under the Syariah Law (as an ex-Muslim), then she will have to undergo “rehabilitation”, which is really undefined as to how long and what is the method…no ?

    The dissenting judge (1 our of 3) in this case pointed out that it is unreasonable to expect Lina Joy to submit to the Syariah Court due to this.

    Therefore, she is exercising her rights as a Malaysian citizen, the rights to freedom of religion as guaranteed under our constitution and to have her case heard under the highest court in the land, which is the Civil Court.

    However, it was a disappointment that the Civil Court abdicated their duties.

    If such a test case does not uphold the Civil Court as the final arbiter for all Malaysians seeking justice… what then is the use of our judiciary ?

  35. #35 by Malaysian For Equality on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 3:18 am

    If there is a snap election, and in the interest of BR solidarity PAS cannot insist that it only can contest the state seats. There should be no ‘no-go’ areas in Malaysia.

    If the argument holds true that people voted for change as opposed to a particular party, then if people voted for BN in 24 seats and only 8 for PAS, PAS cannot claim to ‘own’ Terengganu. They must open up the State seats for PKR and DAP to contest as well.

    BR must represent all Malaysians in all States. Isn’t the aim for BR to have a united plural Malaysian Malaysia?

  36. #36 by cinta_adil on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 3:51 am

    Terima kasih atas pandangan anda semua tentang komen saya di atas yang tak seberapa. Subjek kita di ruangan ini pastinya adalah tentang hak kita tak kira bangsa, Melayu, Cina atau India di Malaysia di bawah Sistem Raja Berperlembagaan.

    Namun, saya sebagai rakyat biasa ingin memberi pendapat ringkas tentang pendapat petestop berkenaan dengan kes Lina Joy. Memang benar Lina Joy berhak membawa kesnya ke Mahkamah Sivil dahulu, yang paling atas dalam sistem kehakiman negara. Tetapi, pastinya Lina dan peguamnya juga bijak bagaimana kes beliau boleh diselesaikan. Jika Lina atau peguamnya faham dan pandai bermain dengan sistem kehakiman negara, pasti kes beliau boleh diselesaikan secepat mungkin.
    Murtad (keluar Islam), secara terang salah di sisi Islam. Tapi, di Malaysia, kita ada cara untuk memastikan beliau benar-benar murtad. “Rehabilitation” seperti yang saudara terangkan. Jika Lina benar-benar Kristian sejati, beliau pastinya senang menyakinkan pihak berkuasa Islam bahawa beliau murtad dalam sesi ‘pemulihan’. 3 kali. Hanya 3 kali kita beri nasihat, beri panduan, beri taklimat tentang tindakan beliau keluar Islam. Beliau boleh mengambil inisiatif sendiri pergi ke sesi ‘pemulihan’ (jika kes dilengah-lengahkan) dan yakinkan pihak pentadbir bahawa beliau benar-benar murtad dan menganut Kristian. Selepas itu, di atas kertas, surat tandatangan mengatakan beliau murtad akan dikeluarkan (disekalikan dengan ‘saman’ murtad). Mudah.
    Itu jika beliau benar-benar yakin pada pendirian dan pegangan agama Kristian yang beliau anuti. Dalam Kristian sendiri pun telah menjelaskan bahawa seseorang itu perlu menyerahkan dirinya sepenuhnya ke atas Tuhan dan anak-Nya, bukan? Prinsip dan pegangan beliau perlu jelas. Di Malaysia, kita ambil pendekatan ‘mulut’, yakni memberi penerangan dan kesan akibatnya. Bukan memaksa, tapi penerangan. Itu sahaja. Dan saya sendiri tidak percaya akan konsep paksaan. Itu salah. Dan kembali dalam kes Lina, jika beliau ikut prosedur undang-undang dengan betul, yakni pergi ‘murtad’kan diri di mahkamah Syariah dahulu, selepas itu di bawa ke mahkamah sivil, pastinya kes ini akan selesai dengan cepat. Sekarang, apa terjadi? Ibarat bergantung tak bertali. Lagi memakan masa dan mungkin mengaggu intergriti pegangan agama beliau sendiri. Sebab Islam di Malaysia adalah hitam putih, di atas kertas. Beliau kene faham atau terima hakikat bahawa sebelum ini beliau adalah seorang Islam. Fahami konsep dan undang-undang Islam (melalui peguam jika beliau tidak mahu ambil tahu) dan baru ambil tindakan.

    Dalam mahkamah sivil, jika sesuatu isu itu berkaitan dengan agama Islam, secara terang Hakim akan memberi nasihat membawa kes itu ke Mahkamah Syariah jika relevan. Jika dah diselesaikan dan memerlukan tindakan mahkamah Sivil, barulah dibawa kembali ke mahkamah Sivil. Di sini menunjukkan bukan mahkamah Syariah lebih tinggi daripada mahkamah Sivil, tetapi mahkamah Sivil perlu tahu dengan jelas status keislaman seseorang itu atau pertubuhan itu.

    Anuti dan percayailah pada agama apa sekalipun. Itu hak kita. Tapi, sebagai orang Islam di Malaysia, sekali lagi ditegaskan, kita ada DUA undang-undang yang perlu digunapakai. Sivil tetap di atas tapi Syariah digunapakai untuk menentukan dan memastikan ‘keislaman’ individu atau pertubuhan. Jelas, kita bukan negara Islam, tapi keperluan Syariah Law adalah disebabkan lebih 50% rakyatnya menganuti ajaran tersebut. Secara logik, ia satu keperluan bukan? Ditambah pula semua Raja-Raja dan Sultan-Sultan adalah beragama Islam.

    Kembali kepada kes UMNO di Terengganu, cara PM kita handle situation ini sangat-sangat tidak profesional dan ‘menderhaka’. Beliau tidak bersuara dengan jelas apa dan bagaimana suatu isu patut dilakukan dan diselesaikan. Inilah kelemahan paling besar dalam pemimpin UMNO. Saya sangat benci (terpaksa gunakan perkataan ini) kepada UMNO yang kotor dan sebenarnya MEMALUKAN bangsa MELAYU. Lihatlah bagaimana kuasa rakyat (saya undi DAP di Perak) dalam pilihanraya lepas dan bagaimana SULTAN-SULTAN juga bencikan UMNO. Perlis dan Terengganu sebagai contoh. Ini bukan kebangkitan rakyat lagi. Ini kebangkitan menuntut KEADILAN.

    BARISAN RAKYAT DAN RAJA BERPERLEMBAGAAN.

  37. #37 by Malaysian For Equality on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 3:57 am

    After all, which party in BR will stand up for Ayah Pin and allow his commune to be re-built in Terengganu? Which party is going to stand up for Kamariah who is an apostate and who has already spent a number of years incarcerated for expresing her freedom of conscience? She is currently facing further persecution under the Syariah courts who want her to serve a further custodial sentence.

    These are important issues which cannot be swept under the carpet. It ultimately a test of what BR stands for. If PAS cannot allow for freedom of conscience as is guanranteed in the constitution, then it has no right to be in BR , otherwise BR will be seen to be a grubby power hungry coalition of convenience, which is there purely to serve the interests of power hungry individuals.

  38. #38 by Malaysian For Equality on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 4:39 am

    cinta_adil kata:

    “Beliau boleh mengambil inisiatif sendiri pergi ke sesi ‘pemulihan’ (jika kes dilengah-lengahkan) dan yakinkan pihak pentadbir bahawa beliau benar-benar murtad dan menganut Kristian. Selepas itu, di atas kertas, surat tandatangan mengatakan beliau murtad akan dikeluarkan (disekalikan dengan ’saman’ murtad). Mudah.”
    _________________________________________________

    Tak mudah langsung saudara!

    Kalau kita lihat keputusan Mahkamah Syariah dalam kes Revathi, hakim berpendapat bahawa orang Islam tidak langsung boleh Murtad. Jadi kalau macam itu, apa guna buang masa dengan ‘rehabilitation’ kerana akhibatnya sama, tidak boleh Murtad. Revathi kata dia lebih benci kepada Islam selepas di tahan dalam tempat pemulihan Islam selama 6 bulan. Kalau nak beri nasihat 3 kali, mengapa ambil masa 6 bulan? Memisah Revathi dengan bayinya dan suami, bukan itu satu perbuatan kejam? Ini jelasnya bukan cara Islam.

    Hanya Tuhan sahaja yang boleh menentukan jika seorang itu Murtad atau tidak. Lina Joy adalah seorang Kristian. Perlembagaan Malaysia memberi dia hak menganut ugama Kristian. Tidak terpulang kepada Mahkamah Syariah untuk menentukan ugamanya.Dia dah buat deklarasi secara umum bahawa dia bukan Islam , jadi cukup jelasnya. Mengheret dia ke Mahkamah Syariah itu tidal adil dan bercangggah dengan perlembagaan kerana dia seorang Kristian. Dalam Perlembagaan, Mahkahmah Syariah hanya ada ‘jurisdiction’ atas orang Islam dan bukan orang berugama Kristian.

    Semua ini memberi pandangan kepada orang ramai bahawa Islam tidak logik atau adil. Mana kita boleh terima Lina Joy sebagai orang Islam jika dia berpendapat bahawa Nabi Isa adalah manifestasi Allah sebagai manusia dan kalau dia tidak terima Muhammed sebagai rasul?

  39. #39 by undergrad2 on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 5:50 am

    I’m sorry but I find cinta-adil misguided in his understanding of the constitutional role allowed by the state constitution to the sultan, the use of his discretionary powers, and politically naive in his view about the freedom of the Malays to choose his or her own religion.

  40. #40 by undergrad2 on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:01 am

    For example, at one point he said the Malays are not complaining about being under both civil and syariah law jurisdictions. So why should non-Malays and non-Muslims fear? They do not come within the syariah law jurisdiction – only the civil.

  41. #41 by ktteokt on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:03 am

    Let not the pot call the kettle black!!!!!

  42. #42 by undergrad2 on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:12 am

    “Dan kenapa pula orang-orang bukan ISLAM lain takut dengan SYARIAH LAW? Ia hanya untuk orang Islam. Kami yang Islam yang perlu risau.”

    Isn’t this not an extremely naive view??

  43. #43 by undergrad2 on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:29 am

    The constitutional crisis now looming in the state of Trengganu could have been avoided. It appears that the sultan has differences with the UMNO state leadership and this is what has precipitated the constitutional crisis. The other implication is that Abdullah Badawi as President of UMNO does not have the kind of control he should have. Anorher reason why he should quit.

  44. #44 by budak on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:37 am

    I personally feel ashamed to have BN to governing Malaysia…

    UMNO no long relevant in Malaysia context, it’s outdated and just a follower rather than a driver…

    therefore since UMNO members are “BIADAP” on Sultan Terenganu choice of MB, they MUST APOLOGIZE and should request full page on UMNO premier newspaper… else resign and get-out of Terengganu…

  45. #45 by undergrad2 on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 6:55 am

    HAPPY EASTER!

    Because he lives we can face tomorrow.

  46. #46 by jebat.setia on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 7:50 am

    Oh tuan puan salah; kalau umno buat bukan biadap tapi menegakkan keadilan! Kalau Uncle Lim buat biadap. Itulah umno! Mengajar anak ketam berjalan. Yang menjerit di Ipoh dan Shah Alam tu, kaki pukul umno bukan rakyat bangsa Melayu yang mempertahankan institusi Raja. Kalau dia orang benar-benar Melayu sejati sudah tentu mereka bangun menentang sesiapa saja yang BIADAP terhadap raja Melayu.

  47. #47 by penangboy on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 8:20 am

    Saudara Lim merupakan seorang tokoh politik yang sememangnya mempunyai integriti yang tinggi. Selagi UMNO dan BN menerajui kerajaan ini dengan sikap yang sedemikian, Malaysia tidak akan mendapat manfaat yang sepatutnya. Saya berharap kerajaan akan mengimbas sekali lagi kenapa rakyat bangun dan membuang undi untuk pihak pembangkang. March 8 ialah hari yang bersejarah untuk semua. Bukan setakat orang yang membuang undi untuk pihak pembangkang tetapi untuk semua rakyat Malaysia. Mereka mengundi pihak pembangkang kerana sudah bosan dengan jentera kerajaan yang bersikap kronism dan angkuh terhadap rakyat tanpa mengira kaum.

  48. #48 by sotong on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 8:23 am

    The greatest threat to our modern, progressive and multi racial and religious country is the faceless racial and religious extremists, thugs and crooks in the position of trust, power and influence.

    Some grossly irresponsible politicians are using politics to play with the future of ordinary people and country.

  49. #49 by kcb on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 8:33 am

    The 12th GE is indeed good for the rakyat. Now the true biadap and hypocrites are beginning to lose their covers one by one!!!

  50. #50 by OldManoftheSea on Monday, 24 March 2008 - 8:38 am

    We have a politics of denial.

    Oh! UMNO Youth is not behind it. We are noy behind it!!

    Hypocritcy at its higher level!!!!

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