Cheers”

this is some lay man commenting on the medical professional by thinking it is easy for foreign doctors to work in australia. i guess for somebody who just migrated to australia. he or she wont understand. all those asian doctors are 95% local born and bread. And if you look carefully, the consultants, the bosses are 95% white. All the asian doctors u see are junior staff, who are destined to be forever support staff with the rare opportunity to become GP only after passing FRACGP. oh i guess nobody knows that coming. some all these asian doctors will be chronically registrar (mind u , are not going to get much perks) and will rarely reach the top. then there are the 5% happy new comer foreign doc from malaysia, after passing their FRACP exams again after their MRCP or former degree gets disrecognised. oh i bet nobody knowsMRCP is disrecognsed in aust. so why nobody complaining here. and for new comers, sorry, private practice is only allowed ten years after arrival. afraid? not yet. u will find that u will be still going back to look for your malaysian support group…
so it is as i said. unless u can reach the top 20% in the society. it is the ame everywhere. it is just perception that overseas is rossier as most of those go there has grudge to settle as they are being bullied, rejected by motherland
the only hope is to have a voice like lim kit siang. and to support him.
there is no use in going overseas and self denial u are welcomed when in fact u are also a minority and your bosses are locals. u in fact are seeing a same scenario where ketuanan become colonial master but u wont see it as u are already rejected in motherland and u need to feel accepted.
however, after a while. as some malaysians who migrated as doctor in aust find, that their colleagues in malaysia are better off. with new internet, more conference, more training perks since new DG, our skills are not bad. however as many will know if they are in the system that ratings are very subjective. people will tell u singapore is no 1 to live but when u go there, it is not that rossy. however people who are turned doen in malaysia, will force themselves to see the light.
why i know, as i said, i am a seniro doctor of KKM who has worked in UK, singapore and australia. in the end, i realise, it is the same. and to bring up a family, i stand a better chance in malaysia
u think there are no crimes in aust, uk or singapore, read the internet my friends.
australia and singapore has a high suicide rate and they are both rated as no 1 to live. why? is it a survey biase or is there something wrong. surely suicide is not a fake?

(2) Dr ophthalmologist mentioned that ” one could passed FRCS without necessarily having any surgical training and experience in the field of ophthalmogy” it is not true. the viva of FRCS glasgow divided into three section (a) ophthalmic medicine (b) neuro-ophthalmology and general medicine (c) ophthalmic surgery and pathology , candidate need to have good surgical training and experience to pass this section of viva. so i am sure dr ophthalmologist is not holding any FRCS qualification. may just a ” world-not-recognise” MS Tanah Malaysia

(3) how many ophthalmogist with FRCS had completed ccst/cct ? very,very few .should we derecognise the FRCS holder without ccst/cct ?

This bureaucrat in the specialist board of academy of medicine have abused the system , they had shut all the door from the young doctor to become ophthalmologist .( MRCS UK / Edinburgh is not recognise as a specialist ). Now the only way to become ophthalmologist is to join local master programme but the intake is not based on meritocracy . sad to say that it is base on NEP.

Uncle Lim , please do something , FRCS glasgow should be recognised , These bureaucrat in AMM should not control the law in their hand.

Totally rubbish !!

You are trying to divert all the people attendion to your points to cover your ass !!

First of all, Dr Ophthalmologist, have you completed CCST in UK or Ireland?

Second, since you have not completed CCST in UK, how come you are now a specialist? how come you are eligible?

To be a specialist in the government sector, you only need to fulfil GO Chapter 5. Whereas, GO Chapter 5 does not indicate any qualification or time of assessment. You are playing god role now.

To be a specialist in the government sector, upon passing your local master degree or UK qualification, you only need to go through a period of gazettement (6 to 18 months) then you are a specialist.

Let us inform you that implementing your “exit” exam is against the legislation and federal law. The MP in the parliament makes the rule, not you.

About your accusation on FRCS (Glasgow), “In contrast, FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology in its current form DOES NOT offer any formalized specialist training programme. Therefore it is conceivable and possible to sit for and pass FRCS (Glasgow) in ophthalmology after 2 years of basic ophthalmology experience as a medical officer (or Senior House Officer) and importantly, without necessarily having any surgical training or experience in the field of ophthalmology. One could possibly obtain FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology without successfully performing ANY ophthalmic surgery.”

It is very wrong accusation, please clarify yourself or either DAP or PKR will demand a good explanation from you. Please do not spread your hearsay here.

For the old FRCS regulation, like yourself, it takes at least 3 years of trainning before you are eligible to sit for the exam. 2 years as you have mentioned is wrong. In fact, FRCS (Glasgow) has extended the regulation now to 4.5 years.

It is very furious you still have your face to defend yourself in the forum !!! you have been making people’s life so miserable.

You are not doing it for the sake of the patients, you are doing it for the sake of your own ambition !!! You want everyone to lick your ass, right?

People like you, I believe, a lot of people are preparing to take you to court. Wanna play god? we have nothing to lost, but, you, you are well established in Malaysia, can you affort to make your name infamous? do you have anywhere else to go? you push us to the corner, we will fight back.

There are significant differences between the postgraduate ophthalmic degrees offered by the various royal colleges of surgery in the UK. FRCOphth (London) and FRCS (Edinburgh) in Ophthalmology which in addition to being examinations, also provide a formal structured specialist training programme and thus is given due recognition by the UK government. Upon the completion of specialist training (typically taking 7-8 years) and successfully passing the exit assessment, the trainee will be awarded Certificate of Completion of Specialist Training (CCST) or Certificate of Completion of Training (CCT) and would be eligible for registration in the General Medical Council (GMC) Specialist Register, UK. This registration would allow the doctor to practice as a specialist in the said field of expertise. Holders of FRCOphth (London), FRCS (Edinburgh), CCST and CCT in Ophthalmology are recognized as eye specialists in Malaysia without further training or supervision.

In contrast, FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology in its current form DOES NOT offer any formalized specialist training programme. Therefore it is conceivable and possible to sit for and pass FRCS (Glasgow) in ophthalmology after 2 years of basic ophthalmology experience as a medical officer (or Senior House Officer) and importantly, without necessarily having any surgical training or experience in the field of ophthalmology. One could possibly obtain FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology without successfully performing ANY ophthalmic surgery. In view of this deficiency, holder of FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology who obtained the fellowship since 1999 is ineligible for registration with the GMC Specialist Register (UK) and thus would not be allowed to practice as a consultant ophthalmologist in the UK. In response to this, many countries including Singapore has withdrawn recognition from this degree.

Taking the above information into account and in the interest of the Malaysian public at large, the specialty board of Ophthalmology of the National Credentialing Committee has decided that FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology obtained after 2003 will not be recognized. Since the series of meetings concerning this issue were convened in 2002-2003, the board has not retrospectively derecognized in good faith those who have obtained FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology from 1999 – 2003. Subsequently this grace period was extended to 2005.

It is true that Malaysia lack qualified specialists in all fields of medicine including ophthalmology. However the emphasis should be on quality rather than mere quantity. In order to progress, we need to bench mark our specialist training and credentialing against best practice. The current form of FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology fails in this respect and has been rightfully derecognized by the UK and other governments (including the Singapore government). It is therefore appropriate that the Malaysian government do likewise.

As a remedy for those who are holding FRCS (Glasgow) in Ophthalmology who are in the UK who find themselves ineligible to practice as a consultant ophthalmologist in the UK or other countries (e.g. Singapore) since the withdrawal of recognition by the respective governments in 1999, they can try to obtain FRCOphth (London), FRCS (Edinburgh), CCST or CCT which are recognized in Malaysia. Alternatively, they should also be given the priority and be allowed to join the local Master in Ophthalmology programme. They may also be considered for exemption from the Part 1 Examination of the local Master programme and may join in year 2 or 3 depending on their existing experience. Admission to such programme should be transparent and based on meritocracy. However this will only be possible with the consent and agreement of the senate of the respective universities which is under the purview of the Ministry of Higher Education. Effort to ensure good and world class local specialist training should be pursued vigorously and continuously by the relevant government bodies and doctors alike. Hopefully this will eventually result in a world class health care available to all Malaysians.

Previously Malaysian citizen with UK degree can be recognised by completing 18 months of gazettment.

Now … Malaysian citizen with UK degree is not recognised and cannot be gazetted ..

According to GO Chapter 5, there is no such thing as recognised degree …

Everything is man made to dictate and rule … purely is selection process for the selected species and asre lickers ..

Who decides how can be the ophthalmologist in Malaysia?

Hmm… you cannot compare the oversea system with Malaysia .. because every where the policy is different …

If FRCS (Glasgow) cannot be the ophthalmologist, then please urge all the senior ophthalmologist in Malaysia to step down. Remember, almost 95% of them have not completed their HST in UK, have not completed 6 to 7 years of trainning in UK.

Let’s be fair lah, Vin. If they can be gazetted, why not the present one? If they can be certified or gazetted, other must be allowed.

If you decide to derecognise FRCS, please derecognise all of them once and for all. Why? they are all not fully trainned also.

We demand a good explanation from them. With their explanation, we would like to apply on them. So, I hope they could give a very very good explanation.

What a disguisting joke.