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		<title>By: controlnation1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: controlnation1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kerishamuddinitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerishamuddinitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Shamsul, if based on your logic that because a significant number of Malays have been 'helped' by UMNO and therefore, 'what's wrong for Malays to support a Malay,' and the fact that such a decision would have been made by a Cabinet totally dominated by Malays, it is therefore very, very plausible that Farish is right! That  trashing of 'Malay for Malay in an ethno-centric self-serving behaviour' is not Farish's contention may have entirely missed your sharp eye and mind. It is about '...why not a NON-MALAY, NON-MUSLIM for even Prime Minister.' It might be intersting to read your views either for or against this proposition - WHY NOT A NON-MALAY, NON-MUSLIM for PRIME MINISTER? Why not?

And by the way, MCA helped thousands and thousands of Chinese get the education that the quota system deprived them of. Today, this same thousands of Chinese are the first to condemn the MCA for being running dogs of UMNO. MCA continues to do so even now when it is squealing and thrashing in pain like the slaughtered pigs they 'close one eye' to as the farmers suffer high-handed rebukes to their appeals for help.

And do you know why these thousands and thousands of Chinese turned their backs on MCA? Because MCA no longer cares enough to fight for the future of our children - as MALAYSIANS in the LAND OF OUR BIRTH! MALAYSIANS OF ALL RACES WITH ONE COMMON DESTINY!

What about UMNO? Has the quota system worked? Has the twisted meritocracy system worked? Have handouts worked? Are you not familiar with the adage? - GIVE A FISH TO A MAN, HE EATS FOR A DAY. TEACH HIM TO FISH, HE EATS FOR LIFE! Has UMNO taught Malays to fish or is UMNO throwing out fishes for Malays to catch? The Chinese are not that fortunate. Even less fortunate are the Indians. Unless of course you happen to be Samys and Lingams willing to crawl (like the running dogs of MCA) at the feet of UMNO hegemony.

Only Malays like you will call the UMNO-MCA-MIC master-servant relationship a 'long-lasting friendship.' It's been 20 long years of servitude since illegal UMNO took over.

At least the DAP has the gumption and balls of steel to stand for an ideal that EMBRACES the INTERESTS OF ALL RACES in a MALAYSIAN MALAYSIA! Truly developed nations in the world allow their citizens to challenge RACISM and DISCRIMINATION because equality of all men is both enshrined in their constitutions as well as the right to exercise this protected with their lives! And you have a decent judiciary to ensure your basic human right to equality free of racism and discrimination is protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Shamsul, if based on your logic that because a significant number of Malays have been &#8216;helped&#8217; by UMNO and therefore, &#8216;what&#8217;s wrong for Malays to support a Malay,&#8217; and the fact that such a decision would have been made by a Cabinet totally dominated by Malays, it is therefore very, very plausible that Farish is right! That  trashing of &#8216;Malay for Malay in an ethno-centric self-serving behaviour&#8217; is not Farish&#8217;s contention may have entirely missed your sharp eye and mind. It is about &#8216;&#8230;why not a NON-MALAY, NON-MUSLIM for even Prime Minister.&#8217; It might be intersting to read your views either for or against this proposition - WHY NOT A NON-MALAY, NON-MUSLIM for PRIME MINISTER? Why not?</p>
<p>And by the way, MCA helped thousands and thousands of Chinese get the education that the quota system deprived them of. Today, this same thousands of Chinese are the first to condemn the MCA for being running dogs of UMNO. MCA continues to do so even now when it is squealing and thrashing in pain like the slaughtered pigs they &#8216;close one eye&#8217; to as the farmers suffer high-handed rebukes to their appeals for help.</p>
<p>And do you know why these thousands and thousands of Chinese turned their backs on MCA? Because MCA no longer cares enough to fight for the future of our children - as MALAYSIANS in the LAND OF OUR BIRTH! MALAYSIANS OF ALL RACES WITH ONE COMMON DESTINY!</p>
<p>What about UMNO? Has the quota system worked? Has the twisted meritocracy system worked? Have handouts worked? Are you not familiar with the adage? - GIVE A FISH TO A MAN, HE EATS FOR A DAY. TEACH HIM TO FISH, HE EATS FOR LIFE! Has UMNO taught Malays to fish or is UMNO throwing out fishes for Malays to catch? The Chinese are not that fortunate. Even less fortunate are the Indians. Unless of course you happen to be Samys and Lingams willing to crawl (like the running dogs of MCA) at the feet of UMNO hegemony.</p>
<p>Only Malays like you will call the UMNO-MCA-MIC master-servant relationship a &#8216;long-lasting friendship.&#8217; It&#8217;s been 20 long years of servitude since illegal UMNO took over.</p>
<p>At least the DAP has the gumption and balls of steel to stand for an ideal that EMBRACES the INTERESTS OF ALL RACES in a MALAYSIAN MALAYSIA! Truly developed nations in the world allow their citizens to challenge RACISM and DISCRIMINATION because equality of all men is both enshrined in their constitutions as well as the right to exercise this protected with their lives! And you have a decent judiciary to ensure your basic human right to equality free of racism and discrimination is protected.</p>
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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
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		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Farish Noor,

I refer to your posting on Malaysian astranaut on also the choice of Menteri Besar of Perak.

I am not so sure how you come to conclusion that the said astranaut, Dr Sheikh, was chosen simply because of his race, sex, and religion. As far as I( and every Malaysian whom I met), that was not the issue.

Why create an issue out of nothing? Simply because a Malay was chosen to be astranaut does not mean that racism is the factor. Can you prove that he was chosen oven an Indian candidate from Kulim simply because of his race?

As far the choice of Menteri besar, surely you cant forget that UMNO despite being the most senior coalition partners inPenang after 1990 election, in humility allowed Gerakan to keep the Chief Minister's post? 

So, what is wrong in asking DAP to show the same magnaminity, if it has one. And perhaps you should also ask DAP whether it is willing to put anyone who is not the familiy members od Lim Kit Siang as its leader. In all fairness, what are the fates of those who Kit siang see as threat to Lim eng Guan supremacy in DAP's politics?


As for UMNOputras, only the blind will refuse to see that every Malays have at some point in their lives benefits from UMNO's policies. Not believing me? Why do not you check the lists of scholarships given to Malaysians in the past 30 years. They includes the very same people who currently admonish UMNO. DEspite what you tried to portay, no Malays can deny that UMNO's policies does help. Thanks God, for UMNO's policies, Malays professionals are now a norm. It is political harakiri for Malays should they have politicians who maintains a very anti-Malay attitude like you.

What is wrong for Malays to support a Malay. At least UMNO is not scaring Malays on its long lasting frienship with MCA, MIC.Is that not what DAP did? Scaring the Chinese by saying that a vote to MCA is a vote to UMNO supremacy. Clearly DAP is playing with racial issue here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Farish Noor,</p>
<p>I refer to your posting on Malaysian astranaut on also the choice of Menteri Besar of Perak.</p>
<p>I am not so sure how you come to conclusion that the said astranaut, Dr Sheikh, was chosen simply because of his race, sex, and religion. As far as I( and every Malaysian whom I met), that was not the issue.</p>
<p>Why create an issue out of nothing? Simply because a Malay was chosen to be astranaut does not mean that racism is the factor. Can you prove that he was chosen oven an Indian candidate from Kulim simply because of his race?</p>
<p>As far the choice of Menteri besar, surely you cant forget that UMNO despite being the most senior coalition partners inPenang after 1990 election, in humility allowed Gerakan to keep the Chief Minister&#8217;s post? </p>
<p>So, what is wrong in asking DAP to show the same magnaminity, if it has one. And perhaps you should also ask DAP whether it is willing to put anyone who is not the familiy members od Lim Kit Siang as its leader. In all fairness, what are the fates of those who Kit siang see as threat to Lim eng Guan supremacy in DAP&#8217;s politics?</p>
<p>As for UMNOputras, only the blind will refuse to see that every Malays have at some point in their lives benefits from UMNO&#8217;s policies. Not believing me? Why do not you check the lists of scholarships given to Malaysians in the past 30 years. They includes the very same people who currently admonish UMNO. DEspite what you tried to portay, no Malays can deny that UMNO&#8217;s policies does help. Thanks God, for UMNO&#8217;s policies, Malays professionals are now a norm. It is political harakiri for Malays should they have politicians who maintains a very anti-Malay attitude like you.</p>
<p>What is wrong for Malays to support a Malay. At least UMNO is not scaring Malays on its long lasting frienship with MCA, MIC.Is that not what DAP did? Scaring the Chinese by saying that a vote to MCA is a vote to UMNO supremacy. Clearly DAP is playing with racial issue here.</p>
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		<title>By: mauriyaII</title>
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		<dc:creator>mauriyaII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broad minded Malay intellectuals like Farish Noor may understand what a Malaysian identity means and even dare to think of a day when a non-Malay and non-Muslim male or female might be the PM of the country. This country of of ours needs brave and liberated individuals like him to open the minds of the UMNOputras in the country.

When an UMNOputra can't even visualize a time when the NEP is no more or when he fears his crutches might be taken away and left to compete with others, how is it possible for him even to think out of the box.

When the UMNOputras are not ashamed of their 'dole mentality' and when they have in their psyche that all they need is to proclaim their exalted state as 'sons of the soil' to satiate their ever increasing avarice, when can a non-Malay ever be allowed to hold a high post as the MB of a state. For that matter even the Sultans do not entertain such an idea. The happenings in states such as Perak and Selangor shows that we have a long, long way to go. 

What Farish Noor proposes can only come to pass if the Malaysian and State Constitutions are amended accordingly. In countries practising real democracy the citizens can practise any religion of their choice and as citizens they have the right to question the government of the day about transparency and accountablity. As a last resort they have the judiciary to hear their case and seek redress. But NOT in Bolehland. Even the intergrity of the judiciary has been compromised by orders of the executive.

If you dare to exert your rights even in a peaceful way, you would find yourself under detention not because you have gone against the laws of the country but because the UMNOputras don't like either your colour, race, creed, religion or your views. Even though the constitution grants every citizen the right to practise his religion without persecution or harrassment, the opposite is true in Bolehland.

Anyway not everthing is grim and bleak. So long as more and more enlightened Malay intellectuals like Farish Noor speak up and start a renaissance in the mindset of others especially the UMNOputras, there is hope. The 12th general election has been an eye-opener.

It may not happen during our time but the seeds need to be sown now to germinate and bear fruit in the not distant future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broad minded Malay intellectuals like Farish Noor may understand what a Malaysian identity means and even dare to think of a day when a non-Malay and non-Muslim male or female might be the PM of the country. This country of of ours needs brave and liberated individuals like him to open the minds of the UMNOputras in the country.</p>
<p>When an UMNOputra can&#8217;t even visualize a time when the NEP is no more or when he fears his crutches might be taken away and left to compete with others, how is it possible for him even to think out of the box.</p>
<p>When the UMNOputras are not ashamed of their &#8216;dole mentality&#8217; and when they have in their psyche that all they need is to proclaim their exalted state as &#8217;sons of the soil&#8217; to satiate their ever increasing avarice, when can a non-Malay ever be allowed to hold a high post as the MB of a state. For that matter even the Sultans do not entertain such an idea. The happenings in states such as Perak and Selangor shows that we have a long, long way to go. </p>
<p>What Farish Noor proposes can only come to pass if the Malaysian and State Constitutions are amended accordingly. In countries practising real democracy the citizens can practise any religion of their choice and as citizens they have the right to question the government of the day about transparency and accountablity. As a last resort they have the judiciary to hear their case and seek redress. But NOT in Bolehland. Even the intergrity of the judiciary has been compromised by orders of the executive.</p>
<p>If you dare to exert your rights even in a peaceful way, you would find yourself under detention not because you have gone against the laws of the country but because the UMNOputras don&#8217;t like either your colour, race, creed, religion or your views. Even though the constitution grants every citizen the right to practise his religion without persecution or harrassment, the opposite is true in Bolehland.</p>
<p>Anyway not everthing is grim and bleak. So long as more and more enlightened Malay intellectuals like Farish Noor speak up and start a renaissance in the mindset of others especially the UMNOputras, there is hope. The 12th general election has been an eye-opener.</p>
<p>It may not happen during our time but the seeds need to be sown now to germinate and bear fruit in the not distant future.</p>
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		<title>By: John123</title>
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		<dc:creator>John123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Malaysian Election is now over. It is time that all elected representatives should take ACTION to serve the rakyat of Malaysia. It is time for all members of the government and state government to sit down together and take ACTION to serve the rakyat of Malaysia and to strengthen the economy of Malaysia. 

There may be some unhappiness here and there. But most important all parties should sit down and work together to serve the rakyat now and strenthen Malaysia's economy.

This is important. it is not good for the world to see Malaysia
as having political parties that are not at peace with each other.
Irrespective of which party we come from, once the people
have decided on the member of parliaments and 
assemblymen; then it is important that all members of
the State governement and Government should work 
together now to serve the RAKYAT


In terms of business, Malaysia has to compete with the ever complex and challenging golabl market place. In my view, The government and State Governments will have to look into the folllowing immediately:

1.  To help Malaysia would be entrepreneurs to start new 
     businesses by providing them with loans. One way is to provide
     an opportunity for EPF contributors to withdraw partially
     from their EPF account to start a business. 

     Banks should be willing to give out loans to people to start
     businesses.

2.  More training should be given to entrepreneurs or would be
    entrepreneurs to ensure that they have the essential knowledge
    and skills to handle the business in the global economy.
    It is no point for a person to start a business and have not
    sufficient knowledge and skills in making the business profitable.

    We should make Malaysia the Centre for Entrepreneurship
    Excellence in Asia; whereby people in this country is trained
    to have an entrepreneurship mindset and entrepreneur
    competence.


3.  The development of more consultants and coaches to 
     guide entrepreneurs.

4.  To ensure we provide a home for the homeless and the
     unfortunate in Malaysia.

5.  To create more jobs, we need more business to be started
     up. This is important.

I hope the government and state government should continue to work with the private sectors - to grow Malaysia's economy. People in Malaysia should also work hard and willing to learn new things, acquire new knowledge and skills.

Everyone should make it a point to take POSITIVE action
to help Malaysia economy to grow.  Talking alone is not enough.
Planning alone is not enough. The secret of SUCCESS is doing, Implementation and taking positive action to make the Malaysian DREAM come true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Malaysian Election is now over. It is time that all elected representatives should take ACTION to serve the rakyat of Malaysia. It is time for all members of the government and state government to sit down together and take ACTION to serve the rakyat of Malaysia and to strengthen the economy of Malaysia. </p>
<p>There may be some unhappiness here and there. But most important all parties should sit down and work together to serve the rakyat now and strenthen Malaysia&#8217;s economy.</p>
<p>This is important. it is not good for the world to see Malaysia<br />
as having political parties that are not at peace with each other.<br />
Irrespective of which party we come from, once the people<br />
have decided on the member of parliaments and<br />
assemblymen; then it is important that all members of<br />
the State governement and Government should work<br />
together now to serve the RAKYAT</p>
<p>In terms of business, Malaysia has to compete with the ever complex and challenging golabl market place. In my view, The government and State Governments will have to look into the folllowing immediately:</p>
<p>1.  To help Malaysia would be entrepreneurs to start new<br />
     businesses by providing them with loans. One way is to provide<br />
     an opportunity for EPF contributors to withdraw partially<br />
     from their EPF account to start a business. </p>
<p>     Banks should be willing to give out loans to people to start<br />
     businesses.</p>
<p>2.  More training should be given to entrepreneurs or would be<br />
    entrepreneurs to ensure that they have the essential knowledge<br />
    and skills to handle the business in the global economy.<br />
    It is no point for a person to start a business and have not<br />
    sufficient knowledge and skills in making the business profitable.</p>
<p>    We should make Malaysia the Centre for Entrepreneurship<br />
    Excellence in Asia; whereby people in this country is trained<br />
    to have an entrepreneurship mindset and entrepreneur<br />
    competence.</p>
<p>3.  The development of more consultants and coaches to<br />
     guide entrepreneurs.</p>
<p>4.  To ensure we provide a home for the homeless and the<br />
     unfortunate in Malaysia.</p>
<p>5.  To create more jobs, we need more business to be started<br />
     up. This is important.</p>
<p>I hope the government and state government should continue to work with the private sectors - to grow Malaysia&#8217;s economy. People in Malaysia should also work hard and willing to learn new things, acquire new knowledge and skills.</p>
<p>Everyone should make it a point to take POSITIVE action<br />
to help Malaysia economy to grow.  Talking alone is not enough.<br />
Planning alone is not enough. The secret of SUCCESS is doing, Implementation and taking positive action to make the Malaysian DREAM come true.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ladygorilla, you don't even understand what is Malaysians First. What else is there left for me to say.  My sincere advice to you: please don't indulge in intellectual diarrhoea anymore; we have enough of your stinging smell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ladygorilla, you don&#8217;t even understand what is Malaysians First. What else is there left for me to say.  My sincere advice to you: please don&#8217;t indulge in intellectual diarrhoea anymore; we have enough of your stinging smell.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyGodiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyGodiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Go take your medicine and come talk to me." Godfather


I think you meant "medications". It is common knowledge that he tends to miss his medications and when he does he litters this blog with his 'intellectual' excrement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go take your medicine and come talk to me.&#8221; Godfather</p>
<p>I think you meant &#8220;medications&#8221;. It is common knowledge that he tends to miss his medications and when he does he litters this blog with his &#8216;intellectual&#8217; excrement.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you I think no amount of medicine will help.  

Totally "uncompromisable" is referred to their respective parties' philosophies.  I have never said the two can not work together right now, which to me is governed more by  their common hatred for inept BN. Let me ask you a simple question: are the two parties DAP and PAS working together spurred by a common enemy or they are together governed by a common aspiration. I think they are people here who can rightly raise this issue.  In the aftermath of election victory, we can all be very benign and forgiving on principles that we hold dear. We shall wait and see. One of them has to give way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you I think no amount of medicine will help.  </p>
<p>Totally &#8220;uncompromisable&#8221; is referred to their respective parties&#8217; philosophies.  I have never said the two can not work together right now, which to me is governed more by  their common hatred for inept BN. Let me ask you a simple question: are the two parties DAP and PAS working together spurred by a common enemy or they are together governed by a common aspiration. I think they are people here who can rightly raise this issue.  In the aftermath of election victory, we can all be very benign and forgiving on principles that we hold dear. We shall wait and see. One of them has to give way.</p>
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