Time to move on into the uncharted political waters


This morning I visited Taman Cempaka market and the Pasir Puteh market together with the three elected DAP Assemblymen in Ipoh Timur parliamentary constituency – Su Keong Siong (Pasir Pinji), Wong Kah Woh (Canning) and Ong Boon Piow (Tebing Tinggi) – to thank the Ipoh Timor voters for their great support in the March 8 general election returning me as MP with a humbling majority of 21,942 votes as well as securing a DAP victory in all the three constituent assembly seats of Pasir Pinji, Canning and Tebing Tinggi with impressive majorities of 6,339, 5,666 and 2,515 respectively.

Earlier, three days ago, I had visited the Kampong Simee and Pasir Pinji markets in my thank-the-voters rounds.

In my rounds today, I received mixed reactions to the proposed DAP-PKR-PAS Perak State coalition government headed by a PAS Mentri Besar, details of which were finalized two nights ago with regard to the 6-3-2 allocation of Exco seats respectively for DAP, PKR and PAS and awaiting the holding of the swearing-in ceremony.

The mixed reactions could be divided into the following categories:

• Support;
• Conditional support with concerns about Islamisation undermining the constitutional rights of Malaysians;
• Outright opposition, regarding the DAP-PKR-PAS coalition government with a PAS MB as a betrayal of the DAP’s general election mandate.

I was asked how DAP’s support for a DAP-PKR-PAS coalition government headed by a PAS MB could square with my repeated assurances in ceramahs during the campaign trail that the DAP had no relationship or understanding with the PAS for the 2008 general election.

I was speaking the truth in the election ceramahs. Up till March 8, 2008, DAP had no relationship or links of any nature with PAS in connection with the general election, as our relationship was only with PKR.

The 2008 general election had produced a new political landscape which forced the DAP to immediately review the political situation, as the March 8 “political tsunami” had not only swept away the unbroken Barisan Nasional two-thirds parliamentary majority, it also swept away the Barisan Nasional in four states, namely Penang, Kedah, Perak and Selangor, and crushed UMNO attempt to recapture Kelantan.

In two states, however, Perak and Selangor, the voters had created a result which forced the three opposition parties, DAP, PKR and PAS to co-operate to form an alternative government as no two political parties would have sufficient majority to rule.

In Perak, DAP won 18, PKR 7 and PAS 6 seats out of a total of a 59-strong Assembly while in Selangor, PKR won 15, DAP 13 and PAS 8 seats out of a total of 56-strong Assembly.

The March 8 political tsunami was historic and unprecedented. It saw voters transcending race and religion when casting their vote, with Malay, Chinese and Indian voters casting their vote for “Change” regardless of race and religion – which is the first time in the history of Malaysian general election, making this the most memorable phenomenon and event marking the 50th anniversary of Merdeka.

As a result, the Opposition in Peninsular Malaysia is collectively more multi-racial, multi-religious and inclusive than the Barisan Nasional, having more Chinese and Indian MPs apart from having a strong representation of Malay MPs.

In a matter of hours between the end of polling at 5 pm on March 8 and the announcement of the election results by midnight, a new political landscape had replaced the old – with all political parties having to come to terms with new political realities.
Mistakes were made by political parties adapting to the sweeping changes caused by the March 8 political tsunami.

For the DAP, we have to address the changes from one of no relationship or link with PAS up till end of polling at 5 pm on March 8 to one where DAP had to decide on some form of co-operation with PAS without sacrificing our principles and policies as a direct consequence of the general election results of the people’s desire for change at both the national and state levels – particularly for the two states of Perak and Selangor.

DAP was unfairly and falsely accused of being anti-Malay and anti-Islam when DAP had reservations about a PAS Mentri Besar for the Perak DAP-PKR-PAS coalition government – which was completely baseless as DAP had supported a Malay State Assemblyman from PKR to be the Perak MB.

It is most regrettable that there are comments on my blog as well as writings by commentators misreading or deliberately distorting my very brief and straightforward comments on the Perak coalition government issue.

That PAS is the smallest of the three-party coalition government, with 6 seats as compared to DAP’s 18 and PKR’s 7, is one important factor for the DAP’s initial opposition to a PAS MB for Perak.

Another is concern about PAS’ Islamic State and hudud law policies, which are also among the key concerns of those in the latter two categories who give conditional support and those who oppose the idea of a DAP-PKR-PAS coalition government.

DAP leaders and members have to be fully aware of these concerns. Whether a DAP-PKR-PAS Perak coalition government with PAS MB succeeds or not will depend on its performance and record to demonstrate (i) that the welfare and livelihood of the people of Perak is better safeguarded and promoted than under previous Barisan Nasional state governments; and (ii) that no further Islamisation policies are introduced to the detriment of the constitutional rights of all Malaysians, regardless of race or religion.

It is time to move on into the new uncharted Malaysian political waters.

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  1. #1 by JMAnywhere on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 3:54 pm

  2. #2 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 3:56 pm

    I cited BBC, Times, Wikipedia, the Strait’s Times, some accused me of being too simplistic.

    I responded to wildly inaccurate caricatures by explaing the slightly complex principles involved, some accused me of being too arrogant.

    I’ve never failed to be amazed!

  3. #3 by cto on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 3:56 pm

    dawsheng Says:

    Today at 15: 18.40 (27 minutes ago)
    “I hope not. Cos’ two weeks ago, just prior to the election, this is what Dawsheng wrote in another thread found in this blog (see below). Clearly, he was calling chinese voters to vote for the opposition which includes PAS.

    Is this what they might call divide and conquer strategy? Or is this dishonesty, plain and simple?” Old Geezer

    [snip]

    My question was and still is, if PAS can override the Sultan when it comes to appointment of Perak MB, would not it do the same with other matters, in particularly issues pertaining to Islamic State where the party is still pursuing aggressively? I also question (in previous thread) the validity of the People’s Declaration all opposition parties has endorsed? In view of this, will there be a meaningful collaboration with PAS?

    ——————–

    Question then to you – Is your public criticism of PAS helping or hurting the collboration with PAS?

    I can’t see it helping the collaboration. At best, it does not hurt or help. More likely, it hurts the collaboration in my humble opinion. And if you play an active hand in hurting the collaboration, please do not come back and blame PAS later.

  4. #4 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:05 pm

    It is common in the West (especially amongst the English, Europeans and Australians) that when a person is LIGHTLY asked or indirectly told to “back off”, one has the courtesy to do so and not continue to irritate and aggravate the other party. Unless one is honestly asking for a “fight”!!!

  5. #5 by dawsheng on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:18 pm

    “Question then to you – Is your public criticism of PAS helping or hurting the collboration with PAS?” cto

    Just to ensure that my rights as minority is still protected under the constitution of Malaysia.

  6. #6 by cto on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:24 pm

    dawsheng Says:

    Today at 16: 18.32 (3 minutes ago)
    “Question then to you – Is your public criticism of PAS helping or hurting the collboration with PAS?” cto

    Just to ensure that my rights as minority is still protected under the constitution of Malaysia.

    —————————

    Spoken like a politician but sir, you have not answered my question. My question again – is you public criticism of PAS helping or hurting the collaboration with PAS?

  7. #7 by kcb on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:29 pm

    Well, jetaime.f, such person is termed to as “Gong Bin” in Hokkien.

  8. #8 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:32 pm

    sorry what’s “gong bin”?

  9. #9 by dawsheng on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:32 pm

    Whether my public criticisms on PAS will help or hurt the coalition state government depends on how PAS/DAP/PKR evaluate my criticisms, I am honored if they do take note of it.

  10. #10 by gilbert on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:33 pm

    No matter who becomes the MB, as long as he can take care of all the Malaysian as a whole, who care??

  11. #11 by lakshy on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:50 pm

    Drop the superiority complex. And one must realise that one doesnt know everything. Then you will do ok. You will then be in good company.

    Stop spreading fear and negativity too!

    Intentions must be good! The Perakians had good intentions when they voted. They still have good intentions in wanting to see this coalition work.

  12. #12 by cto on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:54 pm

    dawsheng Says:

    Today at 16: 32.53 (16 minutes ago)
    Whether my public criticisms on PAS will help or hurt the coalition state government depends on how PAS/DAP/PKR evaluate my criticisms, I am honored if they do take note of it.

    ————————–

    Again, well spoken as a politician and your humility impresses me. :)

    Strange coalition, I must say. One where members of the component parties publicly criticise its partners and then hope that the public criticism will be take constuctively.

    If I may, I would like to make a simple suggestion that the component parties settle matter privately and show a united front publicly. If one has to be two face about things, I think this one is probably OK.

  13. #13 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:55 pm

    Perhaps, a good idea for us to be the “reverse cyber troopers”if there are cyber troopers around, and start spreading some positives around…… ? :)

  14. #14 by rakyatmalaysia07 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 4:59 pm

    Time will tell how this marriage of convenience is going to perform.
    The world will be watching and we Malaysians will be here giving out opinions and reminding the BArisan Rakyat that they are the peoples representatives and as such work with our collective intestes in mind.
    Surely there is a common platform to work on and surely we have the maturity to work with this common platorm .Mutual respect and mutual consideration should be the order of the day.

  15. #15 by alberttye on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 5:21 pm

    Whether DAP works or not with PAS is not a problem.
    What DAP must do is to stick to its ideals of a democratic, free and progressive secular Malaysian Malaysia where all citizens are treated equally and fairly. No one in his good sense will quarrel with that.
    PAS can have its Islamic policies in States where it can form government on its own such as in Kelantan. In other states where coalition is necessary, it has to learn to govern according to secular traditions.
    Mr Lim Kit Siang has shown in the past 40 years his leadership quality and we can safely put our faith in his hands, though sometimes we may put in some ideas to him for his considerations.

  16. #16 by limkamput on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:10 pm

    Undergrad2 says: “Political pragmatism rather than ideology should dictate the role of the DAP if it wants to form the state government. The MB only heads the EXCO. He is not the EXCO. There is a huge difference.”

    Political pragmatism to the extent of sacrificing ideology I think is no go. How can this be, if you care to elaborate?

    Agreed that MB is not EXCO, but the position of MB also carries with it certain inherent power. If he is merely heading an EXCO, I wonder why the three parties have to take so much pain to fight and explain to their respective supporters.

    MB could choose to appoint himself to more important and influential positions in the stare EXCO. With the state machinery and municipalities behind him, he could gradually exert his party influence at the expense of his coalition partners. PAS now has limited influence in Perak given its cosmopolitan and multi-racial character. I am not sure this will be the same after 5 year of PAS MB despite the assurance.

  17. #17 by lkt-56 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:25 pm

    jetaime.f Says:
    Today at 16: 32.05 (1 hour ago)

    sorry what’s “gong bin”?

    Literally: gong bin – talk face

    In this context, our friend is trying to save face. Face is very important to the Chinese. Hence instead of backing off, he tries very hard to win others to his side of the argument. Definitely asking for a fight.

  18. #18 by lkt-56 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:26 pm

    No… definitely NOT asking for a fight. Hope Sheriff Singh does not see this. ;)

  19. #19 by limkamput on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:27 pm

    Now that the election is over, I feel that bloggers should be allowed more leeway to express their views and opinions. I am sure Sdr Lim would like to read from all bloggers no matter how unpleasant some of these may be. We must allow free contest of ideas for that is where the strength of the party and the government is nurtured. Please let Lee Wan Yen and Dawseng to have his say. We may debate and argue with them, but please don’t ask them to shut up or write to Sdr Lim or tell them it is no point because the party has decided.

  20. #20 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:37 pm

    lkt-56: mwwwwaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………..you crack me up…… :)
    k…..may be it’s time to clarify to you – I’m not the foreigner you perceived I am (sorry to break your beautiful dreams), I live overseas but despite my “part” education and exposure I’m still proud to say I’m a Malaysian at heart……and a Malaysian hoping to have the ability to contribute to the Malaysians (in many small ways) especially the poor and weak the opportunities that are denied to them whilst I’m privileged to. Don’t get me wrong, my dad funded me not the government and my dad was funded by grandpapa and not the government and grandpapa is funded by himself and not by the government…. :)

    Thanks for the explanation on gong bin…..all the terms……

  21. #21 by lkt-56 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:44 pm

    blimey! :)

  22. #22 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 6:49 pm

    yea….blimey…. :) it is kinda embarassing having to disclose this in public, but I can’t stand the fact that I’m being portrayed a Caucasian when I’m not. I’m proud to be Asian…. :) And you have been gracious enough to explain things in detail but now you know how much detail you need to go in future. Thanks…

  23. #23 by lkt-56 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 7:21 pm

    no problem. Glad to know that Malaysians overseas still take a keen interest in the affairs back home.

    BR could do with some help and you seem level headed enough for the job.

    Kit, a potential Tony Pua for you. ;)

  24. #24 by jetaime.f on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 7:26 pm

    what happen to all the bloggers???? err…may be someone needs to start the discussion going again……

  25. #25 by lkt-56 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 7:30 pm

    It is dinner time-lah. I am off to y qi gong class. See you later, my friends.

  26. #26 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 8:00 pm

    “…the position of MB also carries with it certain inherent power. If he is merely heading an EXCO, I wonder why the three parties have to take so much pain to fight and explain to their respective supporters. ”

    What ‘inherent powers’ are you talking about? Whatever powers the MB has are spelt out. I hope you’re not suggesting that the MB’s vote is counted as two votes instead of one. If you’re thinking of the MB heading the other working committess, the same applies. He cannot act on his own and make decisions arbitrarily. He has to listen to the voice of the majority. Guess whose voice that is?

    It is true that the de facto powers of the head of the executive branch may exceed the powers allowed him by the constitution. But that is no fault of the constitution. The Prime Minister of Malaysia is a case in mind. Mahathir, for example, during his tenure as Prime Minister because of his authoritarian ways held more powers than the Federal Constitution allowed him.

    Other than that it is obvious that the post of Mentri Besar is important because of the prestige the position brings to the political party that he heads. The DAP should not be seen as playing second fiddle to its junior partner in the coalition by accepting its representative as MB. I think the DAP leadership should be congratulated for the wisdom of its decision to allow a Malay to be the MB. However, in my opinion the position should have been given to the representative from PKR. That would be only logical since PKR holds more seats than PAS.

    The Regent should never have been asked to choose among three nominees for the post of MB. The Sultan like the Agong is not a ruler with powers of his own to exercise except in the area of Malay customs and Islam which is the official or state religion. The discretion given to him by the constitution is limited to the situation when there is no clear leader who commands the confidence of his party. In the event of there being no clear leader who commands the confidence of his party, he is called to exercise his discretion.

    What happened in the state of Perlis, in my opinion, is a good example of a ruler exercising his powers in a manner not called for or envisaged by the state constitution. I hope the BN government would take the matter to court and settle whatever controversy surrounding the use of the Ruler’s discretion. If it backs down then we would miss the opportunity of knowing where the law stands. If this is allowed to pass unchallenged then who knows one day we may have an Agong who chooses to ignore the force of convention and appoint, however unlikely it may appear to the rest, his own nominee from another party!

  27. #27 by ChinNA on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 8:55 pm

    To Mr Lee Wang Yen:

    It rather unfortunate that I could NOT agree or disagree with all your views because not all that you write is easy to understand. My request is for you to write more simply but still retain the intent of your original composition.

    I think this will help mortals like to me to appreciate you much better. I love to see your entries although I might not understand each and everyone of them.

    Thank for sharing your thoughts with us.

  28. #28 by jalim02 on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 9:50 pm

    Hasn’t Raja Petra in his malaysia-today website stressed again and again the PAS cannot implement Hudud law whether in State or Federal without having 2/3 majority in Parliment? Do you think it is possible for PAS to have 149 Parliment seats over BN, DAP and PKR added together. Unless Raja Petra is misinformed, then we should not worry. DAP should disseminate this information to all concerned, I had this phobia before I was enlightened by Raja Petra. My wife voted for the first time (she is in her 30′s, a housewife who couldn’t give two hoots about politics, but this time round she took the effort to register and vote Tan Kok Wai) due to her dissatisfaction, pleae do not let us down. For once, leave all the racial issue behind, do a good show to prove that we have done the right thing this time. Barisan Rakyat represents Malaysians, not Chinese, not Malay, not Indians, not Others, but Malaysians.

    Not sure if any of you watched the Swiss Open singles final (an hour+ ago), Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan of China. What was the Malaysian crowd shouting, they were shouting “Malaysia Bolih”, they did not shout “Lee Chong Wei Bolih”, they did not shout “Malaysian Chinese Bolih”, It was “Malaysia Bolih”. Most of the crowds were Malay. Why is it that we can leave the “race” issue behind (same as when we last won the Thomas Cup) at times like this. The Rakyat at our level mixes well without “race” issues, but it is always a hindrance in Politics. Do not misuse and abuse the “race” factor when it comes to Politics.

    Come on BR, “Malaysia Bolih”

  29. #29 by AhPek on Sunday, 16 March 2008 - 11:56 pm

    Limkamput,you have just come in like a breadth of fresh air with your comment ‘Pleas let Lee Wan Yen and Dawseng to have their say.We may debate and argue with them but please don’t ask them to shut up or write to Sdr Lim or tell them it is no point because the party has decided.’.
    And of course Sheriff Singh’s comment on some of the commenters is timely as well. ‘You write faster than you think.
    And if this continues further,it will be like, if I may use the analogy, the winnowing process whereby one can separate the rice from the chaff.

  30. #30 by dzhod on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 12:22 am

    Mr.LKS,
    DAP perlu kepada perubahan sikap. Dap tidak perlu menukar pendirian parti, fahaman anda adalah pegangan anda . Zaman telah berubah . Anda bukan berada dalam tahun 50an ,60an atau 70an.
    Sewaktu penubuhan PAS pemimpin zaman itu memikirkan kpentingan pada zamannya , begitu juga pemimpin DAP .
    Mereka tidak pernah memikarkan atau menjangkakan perubahan pada masa hadapan yang akan berlaku . Tiada siapa tahu apakah yang akan berlaku esok , kita hanya mampu merancang .
    TOLERANSI dan BERSIKAP TERBUKA bukan bermaksud anda mesti menggadaikan pegangan anda atau memaksa PAS menghapuskan pegangan mereka . DUNIA KINI TELAH BERUBAH . KINI MALAYSIA MEMPUNYAI GENERASI MALAYSIA BARU DENGAN CARA DAN PEMIKIRAN BARU .
    DAP ,PKR dan PAS kesemuanya menerima undi daripada semua bangsa . Tiada siapa yang dapat menafikan hakikat itu . Bertanyalah kepada India dan Cina di Bagan Serai , PArit Buntar dan Semanggol yang dimenangi calon PAS . Begitu juga Bertanyalah kepada Melayu di TAiping , Pokok Asam , Ipoh Timur dan Sungai Siput .
    Adalah memalukan apabila toleransi dan keterbukaaan ini tidak diwujudkan oleh DAP yang memerentah Pulau Pinang tetapi telah diwujudkan oleh Pemerentah PAS di Kedah walaupun tiada persetujuan peringkat dasar parti . Tetapi kerana PILIHAN RAKYAT KEDAH maka kerajaan PAS bertoleransi dan bersikap terbuka turut memberi jawatan exco kepada DAP walaupun hanya SATU KERUSI .

    Mr LKM
    dunia kini telah berubah , GENERASI BARU TELAH WUJUD DALAM ACUAN MALAYSIA .DEMI KEMAKMORAN DAN KEPENTINGAN RAKYAT MALAYSIA ANDA PERLU BERUBAH . Generasi Cina kini menghormati anda dan perjuangan anda yang lalu tetapi ramai yang tidak dapat menerima SEBAHAGIAN cara serta gaya pemikiran dan pegangan anda UNTUK ZAMAN INI .

    JANGAN IKUT CARA PAKLAH NANTI ANDA AKAN DIHADIAHKAN BANTAL PELUK BUATAN NEGARA CINA.

  31. #31 by Godfather on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 12:59 am

    dzhod:

    Saya adalah seorang warganegara Malaysia keturunan Cina, dan saya memang setuju dengan kenyataan anda. Malangnya ada penyokong2 PAS dan DAP yang keterlaluan yang sentiasa megkhianati parti dengan sikap extremis mereka. Tertakluklah dibahu kita untuk mengawasi golongan extremis ini supaya generasi2 yang akan datang dapat tinggal dalam suasana yang aman dan bertoleransi.

  32. #32 by cinta_adil on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 5:07 am

    Saudara Lim Kit Siang,

    Saya adalah pengundi baru yang merasa terpanggil untuk menulis sesuatu di sini. Saya Melayu, tetapi saya mengundi untuk calon Cina di kawasan saya yang mewakili DAP di Perak. Undi saya secara terangnya kerana ingin menumbangkan BN. Dan ianya telah tercapai.

    Benar, DAP pada asasnya sebelum pilihanraya tidak mahu bersekongkol dengan Pas di Perak. Tapi, secara jujur, sikap DAP perlu berubah. Berubah untuk RAKYAT. Bukan lagi bersandarkan kepada matlamat PARTI, tetapi RAKYAT. Itu lebih penting. Malaysia dibina berasaskan semangat perkauman yang sungguh kuat. Begitu juga dengan DAP (betulkan saya jika salah) secara umumnya. Pandangan sebegini dan teras parti perlu relevan dengan kehendak rakyat SEKARANG. Bukan sahaja DAP malah Pas. Pas saya lihat telah mengendurkan sedikit semangat juangnya untuk diadunkan bersama parti-parti pembangkang yang lain. Kenapa DAP tidak boleh membuat perkara yang sama? Pas telah cuba untuk memberi satu kerusi exco di Kedah, jika DAP sendiri sanggup menerima satu kerusi exco untuk mereka di Pulau Pinang. Tetapi, kenapa DAP masih berkeras kepala? Janganlah angkuh. Ini pendapat UMUM yang melihat perkembangan terkini antara Pas dan DAP. Tolonglah bekerjasama pada dasarnya. Pas sendiri telah melonggarkan syarat-syarat ‘Negara Islam’nya. Kenapa DAP tidak boleh buat perkara yang sama? Jika sesuatu tidak dilakukan dalam akra umbi DAP, saya pasti RAKYAT akan bangkit menentang kerajaan campuran ini dan kembali kepada BN.

    Banyak pandangan bernas dan tidak kurang juga ekstrem di sini, terutamanya mengenai peranan Sultan-Sultan Melayu yang menjadi Ketua Negeri. Memang benar Sultan hanya berhak memilih Menteri Besar atas nasihat dan juga majoriti undi di negeri masing-masing. Tetapi mereka juga berhak campur tangan menentukan dan memilih siapa yang dirasakan layak selepas nama-nama calon diserahkan. Dan juga ditambah dengan sentimen RAKYAT mengikut perlembagaan negeri. Ada di kalangan pembaca di sini mengatakan, jika Barisan Rakyat boleh menguasai 2/3 majoriti parlimen, mereka boleh menukar perlembagaan terutamanya mengenai status atau kuasa Raja dan Sultan. Inilah yang akan mencetuskan ketengangan kaum. Masing-masing perlu faham dan berhati-hati dengan kes hak-hak dan ketuanan Melayu yang amat berbahaya dimainkan. Perlembagaan asas bukan dicipta dalam parlimen Malaysia, tetapi melalui perjanjian dengan British dahulu. Sangat relevan sebab ianya membentuk apa itu Malaysia. Kita perlu berpegang kepada asas itu. Jangan cuba permainkan peranan PERLEMBAGAAN, kerana jika tidak, Barisan Rakyat akan dilihat sama sahaja dengan Barisan Nasional terutamanya UMNO yang selalu mempermainkan isu ini di dalam media-media mereka sekarang ini.

    Buat masa sekarang, saya melihat Pas dan PKR cuba dan berjaya untuk jadi relevan selepas pilihanraya kali ini. DAP dilihat (secara umum), masih lagi tidak mahu berubah. Masih lagi berpegang pada prinsip asal yang tertutup.

    Berundinglah. Saya orang Melayu, tapi saya merayu pada DAP? Merayu meminta DAP berubah dan ikut rentak rakyat. Yang penting berunding dan capai kata sepakat. Jika tidak, saya mungkin akan mengubah persepsi pembangkang Malaysia yang sememangnya tidak relevan. Kembalilah ke dalam Barisan Alternatif. Satukan matlamat anda. Itu sangat-sangat penting. Sebabnya? Rakyat kurang yakin dengan gelaran ‘Kerajaan Campuran’ terutamanya di Perak kerana ia tidak nampak kukuh. Dan rakyat juga akan merasa keliru apa itu Barisan Rakyat dan apa itu Barisan Alternatif.

    Barisan Alternatif (Pakatan Pas dan PKR sahaja).
    Barisan Rakyat (Pakatan BA, DAP dan lain-lain Parti Politik Pembangkang di Semenanjung Malaysia).

    Jadi, bersatulah.

  33. #33 by Ade on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 10:17 am

    Sometimes I wonder YB LKS is anti-malay or anti-islam. You spoke of malaysians as ONE creating a political tsunami and yet you express your resentment towards PAS? The chinese voted for PAS and so did the Malays voted for DAP…Please look back at yourself before talking. Sometimes I wonder whether what policies you are talking about….please be transparent about it.

    Are you sure PAS could impose Islamic State Law by itself? PAS is able to manage a state by itself. Learn from them instead of squabbling on something which is not relevant anymore (Islamic State). If you keep on going around expressing your protest…I can guarantee a political tsunami next election and it will be all your FAULT!

  34. #34 by Wisdom above on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 11:52 am

    Wake up !

    Look like Sabahans know what is the ” Truth”.

    > Someone from Sabah talk sense….. Repeat for reference only.

    1)…Sabah Progressive Party president Datuk Yong Teck Lee said he was puzzled why the NEP was still an issue when it had been replaced by the

    >’National Development Policy’(NDP)…

    > TUN DR M launched the “NDP” which year ? I forgot the year ,do you remember ?

    2)…“so called cancellation of the NEP” was completely redundant because it no longer existed and it was equally disappointing that Penang Umno was still harping on a non-existent policy.

    3)…no wonder that some politicians both from ruling and opposition have lost focus on which policy to talk about,”

    Why PKR,DAP,PAS & West Malaysians are still dreaming ? ….Lost focus ?

    Why MCA, Gerakan, MIC, PPP, PBB,PRS still hiding the ‘Truth’ ?

    Bravo, Sabahans dare to speak out.

    Syabas. Barisan Rakyat.

  35. #35 by Bobster on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 1:18 pm

    Kepada pembaca-pembaca sekalian.

    IMO, YB LKS memang tersilap kata menggunakan perkataan ‘boycott’. Memang salah digunakan bila menghadapi sultan dan raja-raja. Sepatutnya guna perkataan seperti ‘perlu masa untuk mendapat persetujuan umum’. Penggunaan perkataan dalam kontek yang salah menyebabkan ramai yang tersinggung including yours truly. Maklumlah kami cuma manusia bukan Tuhan, kadang-kadang membuat kesilapan.

    Adalah dimaklumkan, konsep pertubuhan Barisan Rakyat baru ditangani di dalam masa yang begitu singkat semasa pernamaan calun kurang dari satu bulan dahulu. Pihak DAP masih tertanya-tanya adakah pertubuhan ini akan menyebabkan perselisih faham dan kegelisahan supporter khususnya golongan tua, konsevetif dan golongan ramai yang tidak dapat maklumat dari internet. Maklumlah, ramai kaum cina boycott DAP dalam Pilihanraya 1999 disebabkan kegelisahan merujuk kepada isu yang agak sama.

    Walaubagaimanapun, harap ramai dapat kasi chance untuk gabungan PKR/DAP/PKR pada masa ini untuk mencapai kemantapan. Memang banyak lagi perkara yang perlu diselesaikan dan diperbetulkan. Bagi gabungan baru yang tidak ada banyak pengalaman, bagilah chance lah sikit untuk membuat kesalahan kecil, bagilah constructive critisms supaya mereka boleh terus berubah dan bergabung dengan lebih efektif.

    Perlulah setiap pihak PKR/DAP/PAS bertolak ansur untuk kepentingan rakyat jelata.

    PKR/DAP/PAS berjaya kerana berupaya melangkah kedepan berasaskan ‘Blue Ocean Strategy’. Konsep baru pengabungan yang dapat menarik perhatian rakyat sejagat. Sekarang pihak BR berada di lautan biru yang tidak pernah dicapai oleh BN. Banyak pihak yang gelisah adakah BR akan membawa rakyat ke tahap yang lebih bagus berbanding dengan BN. Ramai juga yang ingin membuat u-turn kerana tidak mahu terima perubahan, masih ingin lagi tiduk dibawah tempurung. Untuk golongan yang terpelajar, cubalah sedaya upaya menerangkan konsep gabungan baru ini kepada golongan yang kurang berpelajaraan. Cubalah sedaya upaya memberi nasihat-nasihat sewajar kepada pihak PKR/DAP/PAS supaya negara ini akan terus maju dan tidak diketepikan menghadapi arus globalisation, matang dan boleh terus berjaya untuk rakyat sejagat.

    Untuk maklumat sekalian hamba ini bukan support DAP/PKR/PAS tapi supporter konsep Barisan Rakyat.

  36. #36 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 1:27 pm

    PAS’ PROPOSAL FOR ISLAMIC GOVT IRKS DAP VETERAN
    17/3/2008

    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Frontpage/2188527/Article/index_html

    GEORGE TOWN: The DAP has expressed shock and anger over Pas’ proposal to form an Islamic federal government.

    DAP life adviser Dr Chen Man Hin said the party would not agree or co-operate with Pas should they insist on forming an Islamic government at the federal level.

    “This is not part of our understanding. It will be no-go for the DAP if they do that. We will surely not accept it.

    “Their proposal has left a big question mark over our future co-operation,” a visibly upset Dr Chen said while angrily pushing aside a newspaper article on the Pas proposal.

    Dr Chen, who was at the day-long DAP national leadership convention, said the party decided to co-operate with Pas because of its intention to convert Malaysia into a welfare state.

    “But look at what they are saying now,” he said when asked to comment on Pas vice-president Datuk Husam Musa’s statement that Pas was confident it could soon set up an Islamic form of government at the federal level.

    Husam had said there was growing support among the Chinese and Indians for the party’s political struggle.

    Dr Chen said the DAP would be discussing the matter soon.

    “While I would like to leave this matter alone at this moment, I think the party will need to seek clarification on this.

    “Right now, we do not know whether it is Husam’s personal view or the party’s.”

    Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president Sivarasa Rasia also expressed surprise at Husam’s statement.

    “I have looked at the latest manifesto of Pas and there is nothing stated about an Islamic government.”
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  37. #37 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 1:42 pm

    Dr. Chen, I think many DAP supporters here will say to you, ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil’.

  38. #38 by Bobster on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 1:56 pm

    We have started our boycott campaign for a week on the national newspapers namely NST, Utusan and The Star.

    Let PKR/DAP/PAS settle their differences. Believe DAP leaders and supporters would not accept the proposal but again let the leaders settle the differences. Not let the opportunists making use of these sensitive issues to destroy the coalition.

    That’s my 2 cents.

  39. #39 by Bobster on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 2:22 pm

    Correction, Not = Do not.

    The main income generation natural oil reserve is drying fast. The country will become net importer of crude oil in 5 yrs time.

    Let’s us be prepared as the country is heading towards globalisation and facing immense external challenges due to global inflation. Let’s work together for the betterment of all Malaysians and stop harping on non essential issues that have become the stumbling block to the nation growth in the last 38 yrs.

  40. #40 by PetirRoket on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 2:42 pm

    Bro. Lee Wang Yen, Jeffrey, and others, thank you for your clear-mindedness and principled stand on the issue of a Pas ADUN as the MB of Perak. As all of you have rightly pointed out, this issue has clear far-reaching implications for the future of Malaysia.

    Firstly Sdr. Lim Kit Siang did the right thing in asking for the DAP ADUN to boycott the proposed swearing-in-ceremony of the new MB. However, such a stand should have been made as soon as the election results for Perak came in.

    Secondly, the Perak DAP leadership under Sdr. Ngeh Koo Ham and Nga Kor Ming is weak and indecisive. Uncle S. Ponmugam – who was slated to be the DAP’s candidate for the Sungai Siput parliamentary seat – was right when he lambasted the state leadership for making too many concessions to PKR. Now, we see even worst concessions to Pas.

    Thirdly, as Dr. Kua Kia Soong says, the Perak DAP’s lacks professionalism in the form of a strategic mindset which sacrifices long-term goals for short-term respite.

    Fourthly, it most ironic that the Perak DAP is becoming more and more like the non-Umno component parties in the BN, i.e. playing second fiddle or are there just to deliver the non-Malay Muslim votes. So, the next time around, should the DAP retain the same number of seats, Pas will just be riding on the back of the DAP’s votes.

    Fifthly, Perak DAP’s acquiscence amounts not only to a betrayal of the mandate by the Chinese and Indian voters but also the Malay voters who stand shoulder to shoulder with us in rejecting an Islamic state.

    Sixthly, it is worth repeating that for Pas, not for the Perak DAP, it is just the beginning. Never ever forget that we are dealing with conviction politicians here. That is very good. But it is the contents of their conviction which is opposed to Malaysia as a secular state.

    Seventhly, Perak DAP has been outmanouvered by Pas and to an extent PKR.

    Eightly, it must be remembered opposition to a Malay Muslim as MB of Perak is precisely the politics, the new politics of a Malaysian Malaysia which rejects the racial politics practiced for the past fifty years in this country.

    Ninthly, there is a distinction between head of state and head of government. The head of state is not subject to the popular will of the people. But the head of government is. The head of state is a constitutional and ceremonial figure. The head of government is a political figure. The head of state therefore acts upon the advice of the party which wins the most seats in the democratic system.

    Tenthly, I guarantee you that the indecisiveness and apparent lack of conviction on the part of the Perak DAP leadership will not win them any respect or affection amongst the Malays whose outlook can be changed. If Lee Kuan Yew and the PAP had acted in the same manner as the Perak DAP, they would have lost Singapore to Umno a long time ago.

  41. #41 by PetirRoket on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 2:44 pm

    Ah yes, and thank you also to Limkamput for your views.

  42. #42 by PetirRoket on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 2:47 pm

    Bro. Lee, I’m a Christian too, who is also interested in the philosophy of science. Please visit my blog at predestinariansuccession.blogspot.com and leave any comments. I would like to get in touch with you. Thank you.

  43. #43 by PetirRoket on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 2:56 pm

    On the subject of Turkey, Turkey may not style herself to be an Islamic state, Turkey is nonetheless a Muslim country by default. Remember, Turkey is a member of the OIC – Organisation of Islamic Countries. The thing is that Islam is merely HIDDEN from the public gaze. That is secularism for Turkey does not refer to a paradigm shift, but cultural adjustments to enable Turkey to be more acceptable to Europe. Turkey considers herself to be part of Europe. Indeed, the Ottoman Empire once ruled parts of Europe. It is a case of Turkey enjoying the best of both worlds. Apostasy is still punishable. Christian converts are subject to the same kind persecution that they are subjected to in Islamic countries.

    Islam as a public cult is de-emphasised but Islam as a private cult is still there. And since there is no separation between religion and politics in Islam, the line between public and private cult is very thin indeed. Secondly, Islam in Turkey just as in many Islamic countries has been blended into Turkish nationalism. To be a Turk is to be a Muslim.

    Therefore what this means is that Islam has assumed a different form in Turkey but the mindset is still there.

    Remember too that Lebanon with a 50 percent Christian population is also a member of the OIC.

  44. #44 by cinta_adil on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 3:06 pm

    Terima Kasih Bobster atas penerangan yang diberikan. Amat diterima dan saya sebagai orang biasa yang punya peluang membuka internet akan cuba menerangkan perkara yang sama kepada golongan-golongan yang tidak berpeluang.
    Tapi anda atau pucuk pimpinan DAP sendiri perlu mengeluarkan satu statement yang jelas selepas ini ke mana arah tuju Barisan Rakyat terutamanya di Perak tempat saya mengundi. Mungkin saya tidak berpeluang mengenali DAP, tapi Pas punya suara yang jelas melalui saluran harakahdaily.net mereka. Itu rujukan saya, rujukan UMUM. Untuk dikekalkan dalam minda melawan arus media perdana. BR perlukan satu saluran yang jelas. Usahakan ke arah itu dahulu. Saya mungkin bersuara seperti budak baru mengenali apa itu politik. Maafkan saya jika saya sebenarnya tidak tahu menahu kewujudan WEBSITE lain yang menyokong BR. Malaysiakini saya anggap neutral sahaja tanpa maklumat kuat untuk melekat dalam minda saya. Mungkin saya silap. Mungkin.

    Saya dahagakan informasi BR! =)

  45. #45 by mchoice2008 on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 3:57 pm

    Husam clarifies ‘take-over’ statement

    By IAN McINTYRE

    KOTA BARU: PAS vice-president Datuk Husam Musa has clarified that his statement on the party taking over the Government at the federal level was taken out of context.

    “I mentioned that we are hopeful of taking 30 more parliamentary seats to win power and not about forming an Islamic Government,” he said.

    Husam urged the mass media to be careful in its reporting to avoid antagonising anyone unnecessarily.

  46. #46 by limkamput on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 4:58 pm

    Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president Sivarasa Rasia also expressed surprise at Husam’s statement. “I have looked at the latest manifesto of Pas and there is nothing stated about an Islamic government.”

    Hello, grow up lah vice president. You think is so simple meh, just look at the manifesto of PAS and you found nothing there. I really don’t know what to day say – naive, stupid, simpleton, confidence, legalistic like one of the lawyer wannabes here, or sacrastic. You choose one lah, it is a multiple choice question.

  47. #47 by Bobster on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 6:07 pm

    Cinta_adil,

    Setahu saya konsep Barisan Rakyat berasal dari RPK People’s Declaration yang ditangani oleh pihak-pihak PKR, DAP dan PAS sebelum pemilihan calun yang berjaya mengelakkan perang 3-penjuru ie perang sesama sendiri yang melemahkan pihak pembangkang selama ini. Sudah lama suara rakyat jelata tidak diperdulikan dan diperalatkan oleh pihak croni untuk ‘berlawan’ sesama sendiri. People’s Declaration telah berjaya menghentikan ‘perang saudara’ dengan mengabungkan parti-parti pembangkang dan mengalihkan perhatian rakyat untuk berperang pembelot-pembelot negara yang telah menghabiskan beribu juta duit rakyat untuk hal peribadi.

    Konsep ini masih dalam perkembangan baru dan pihak DAP boleh dikatakan amat berhati-hati dalam hal ini. Bagilah masa untuk ketua-ketua PKR/DAP/PAS untuk mencapai kata sepakat dan amatlah diharapkan semua pihak dapat bertolak-ansur, praktis moderation untuk kebaikan semua. Banyak pihak cuba mengapi-apikan isu-isu sensitif untuk meruntuhkan pakatan PKR/DAP/PAS.

    Maaf bang tidak dapat mengeluarkan statement yang jelas sebab bukan pucuk pimpinan mana-mana pihak. Cuma supporter harap ketiga-tiga pihak dapat kerjasama untuk kebaikan semua.

    Bersatu Teguh, Bercerai Roboh.

  48. #48 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 7:58 pm

    NOTHING CAN STOP PAS FROM STRIVING FOR ITS ISLAMIC AGENDA
    PAS akan terus mempertahankan prinsipnya
    Roslan SMS
    Sun | Mar 16, 08 | 4:32:16 pm MYT

    PAS saya yakin akan terus mempertahankan agenda Islam dalam apa keadaan sekalipun, kerana ia Parti Islam, kekalahan atau kemenangan tidak akan merobah hakikat itu. Sama ada PAS pembangkang, PAS membentuk kerajaan negeri, PAS bersama BN (tahun 70an) atau kini PAS bersama PKR dan DAP, tidak sesiapa pun yang bekuasa mengikis atau mematikan matlamat perjuagan PAS itu.

    http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13310&Itemid=28

  49. #49 by Lee Wang Yen on Monday, 17 March 2008 - 8:16 pm

    PAS rejects secular democracy (DAP’s ideology). Theocracy is the Only Option:

    Pemikir-pemikir politik Barat, sedar akan kemunduran kerana dijajah oleh keagamaan Kristian yang banyak tidak rasional terhadap mereka, menyebabkan negara mundur.

    Dari sinilah lahirnya fahaman sekular yang memisahkan penghidupan dengan agama, sekali gus memisahkan agama daripada politik (daripada kalangan Kristian).

    Meskipun itu boleh berlaku dalam masyarakat Barat yang berpegang dengan fahaman Kristianiti, ia berbeza dengan agama Islam.
    ….
    Pemikiran politik Islam bertitik tolak daripada kefahaman Islam yang tidak memisahkan Islam daripada pemerintahan.

    Ia bersatu dalam satu perkataan di istilahkan sebagai Ad-Din, cara hidup yang lengkap, terungkap seperti firman Allah (mafhumnya): “…Pada hari ini, Aku (Allah) telah menyempurnakan bagi kamu agama kamu, dan Aku telah cukupkan nikmat-Ku terhadap kamu, dan aku reda Islam menjadi ad-Din kamu (cara hidup yang sempurna)…” (Surah al-Maaidah, ayat 3)

    Oleh kerana itu, kita umat Islam perlu terima hakikat, Islam adalah agama yang sempurna, termasuk cara berpolitik, memerintah cara Islam.

    Jika kita menolak pegangan ini dan memilih yang lain, ia bermakna menolak ketetapan Allah dan merendah-rendahkan agama, seolah-olahnya cara hidup ciptaan manusia, lebih sempurna dari ciptaan Allah.

    Merendah-rendahkan agama Allah boleh menyebabkan kerosakan akidah.

    Bersama Dr Haron Din: Pilihlah parti untuk kebahagiaan dunia, akhirat
    Dr Haron Din
    Thu | Feb 28, 08 | 10:08:47 am MYT

    http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12793&Itemid=91

    [please - limit your posting to ONE thread, multiple posting of the exact same comments = spam]

  50. #50 by Lee Wang Yen on Tuesday, 18 March 2008 - 1:25 am

    Islamists believe that Islam cannot be implemented in a
    comprehensive manner without the power of the state; the
    Quranic obligation for all Muslims to “promote good and
    eliminate evil” cannot be realised without the legitimacy
    and resources of the state. Hence, according to Islamists,
    establishment of an Islamic state is not something
    recommendatory or optional; it is a fundamental obligation
    for all Muslims.

    http://www.pas.org.my/kertaskerja/Islam,Politics_and_Democracy.pdf

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