Note that the Star online report of Husam’s clarification does not prove that he has not made the statement, insofar as one thinks that the NST online report does not prove that he has made it.

Here is a case where we have a claim and counter-claim by two different newspapers. Without further evidence, we do not know whether or not Husam has made the statement.

I’m not anti-Islam. I reject PAS’s agenda because it is not appropriate for the multi-religious and multi-cultural Malaysia. I’ve talked to progressive Islamic scholars from Indonesia, and have very high regard for them. Part of the problem is PAS’ fundamentalistic interpretation of Islam.

By the way, I’m a philosopher of science and have no academic degree in Islam or anti-Islam.

Godfather, one cannot get any research degree in any respectable university by just ‘academic regurgitations’. Also, regurgitating the claim that someone’s else is allegedly doing ‘academic regurgitations’ without making any substantial points about the subject under discussion does not further any discussion.

When a discussant D has provided arguments X, Y, Z for a certain proposition P, one who disagrees with P may take great pleasure in saying all sorts of bad things about D. But at the end of the day, one still has to face up to the fact that nothing useful has been said about P and X, Y, Z. People enjoy and engage in ad hominem arguments because they either have no substantial ones or do not take them seriously.

Sadly, many people think that they can argue their case in a serious and rational discussion with the rhetoric and strategies they use in squabbling with their family members.

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Lee Wang Yen, you happily and selectively took NST and STAR reports to support your arguments.

Our best guess is that you are still a PHD student, possibly doing some research in religion or so.

It looks like you are more concerned with your own arguments and research topics than really thinking of some PRACTICAL and IMPLEMENTABLE ways to move Malaysia to a BETTER Malaysia.

Be more humble, and be more practical. The world is definitely much more diverse than what you could see from your research topics.

“I mentioned that we are hopeful of taking 30 more parliamentary seats to
win power and not about forming an Islamic Government,” he sa

Nasharudin Mat Isa,
Secretary General,
Islamic Party of Malaysia
10th February 2003

http://www.pas.org.my/kertaskerja/Islam,Politics_and_Democracy.pdf

Pemikir-pemikir politik Barat, sedar akan kemunduran kerana dijajah oleh keagamaan Kristian yang banyak tidak rasional terhadap mereka, menyebabkan negara mundur.

Dari sinilah lahirnya fahaman sekular yang memisahkan penghidupan dengan agama, sekali gus memisahkan agama daripada politik (daripada kalangan Kristian).

Meskipun itu boleh berlaku dalam masyarakat Barat yang berpegang dengan fahaman Kristianiti, ia berbeza dengan agama Islam.
….
Pemikiran politik Islam bertitik tolak daripada kefahaman Islam yang tidak memisahkan Islam daripada pemerintahan.

Ia bersatu dalam satu perkataan di istilahkan sebagai Ad-Din, cara hidup yang lengkap, terungkap seperti firman Allah (mafhumnya): “…Pada hari ini, Aku (Allah) telah menyempurnakan bagi kamu agama kamu, dan Aku telah cukupkan nikmat-Ku terhadap kamu, dan aku reda Islam menjadi ad-Din kamu (cara hidup yang sempurna)…” (Surah al-Maaidah, ayat 3)

Oleh kerana itu, kita umat Islam perlu terima hakikat, Islam adalah agama yang sempurna, termasuk cara berpolitik, memerintah cara Islam.

Jika kita menolak pegangan ini dan memilih yang lain, ia bermakna menolak ketetapan Allah dan merendah-rendahkan agama, seolah-olahnya cara hidup ciptaan manusia, lebih sempurna dari ciptaan Allah.

Merendah-rendahkan agama Allah boleh menyebabkan kerosakan akidah.

Bersama Dr Haron Din: Pilihlah parti untuk kebahagiaan dunia, akhirat
Dr Haron Din
Thu | Feb 28, 08 | 10:08:47 am MYT

http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12793&Itemid=91

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PAS saya yakin akan terus mempertahankan agenda Islam dalam apa keadaan sekalipun, kerana ia Parti Islam, kekalahan atau kemenangan tidak akan merobah hakikat itu. Sama ada PAS pembangkang, PAS membentuk kerajaan negeri, PAS bersama BN (tahun 70an) atau kini PAS bersama PKR dan DAP, tidak sesiapa pun yang bekuasa mengikis atau mematikan matlamat perjuagan PAS itu.

http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13310&Itemid=28

“Persoalannya dalam situasi sekarang, apakah warna sebenar politik PAS? Adakah pemimpin PAS akan membiarkan mereka dipermainkan oleh DAP? Atau mungkin kerana kuasa segala prinsip perjuangan dikorbankan? Hanya masa akan menentukan.”

Saya ingin menasihati Zul bahawa rakyat telah pun bersuara melalui PRU ke-12 lalu, suka atau tidak, selesa atau sakit, suara rakyat perlu dihormati. Demi mempertahankan keputusan rakyat itu PAS memutuskan untuk membentuk kerajaan campuran walaupun sedar DAP hadir di dalamnya. Kalau Zul tidak memutarkan kenyataan Tuan Guru Presiden PAS semasa pelancaran Manifesto PAS: “Kerajaan Beramanah, Adil dan Bersih – Menuju Negara Berkebajikan”, beliau akan dapati bahawa dalam majlis itu Presiden PAS berkata (apabila diajukan tentang persoalan darihal kerjasam PAS dan DAP), kita tunggu bila tiba masanya. Bermakna bila tiba suasana itu PAS akan membuat keputusan dan kini PAS telah pun memutuskannya.

Soalnya adakah akan tergadai maruah perjuangan PAS apabila berkerjasama dengan DAP ini? Zul dengan kecenderungan politiknya sudah pastilah akan menjawab: Ya!

Tetapi hakikatnya dalam kemelut politik hari ini, semua mengakui bahawa PASlah yang paling kelihatan matang dan mempamerkan kedewasaan. PAS saya yakin akan terus mempertahankan agenda Islam dalam apa keadaan sekalipun, kerana ia Parti Islam, kekalahan atau kemenangan tidak akan merobah hakikat itu. Sama ada PAS pembangkang, PAS membentuk kerajaan negeri, PAS bersama BN (tahun 70an) atau kini PAS bersama PKR dan DAP, tidak sesiapa pun yang bekuasa mengikis atau mematikan matlamat perjuagan PAS itu.

Kini PAS sudah membentuk kerajaan (selain di Kedah dan di Kelantan) bersama PKR dan DAP di Selangor dan Perak. Asas pembentukkan kerajaan itu sudah pastilah berdasarkan muafakat hormat-menghormati dan saling faham-memahami. PAS sudah pasti akan berusaha melaksanakan agendanya dalam ruang-lingkup dan keterbatasan yang ada baginya. Mana yang mudah dan boleh diterima semua, diberikan keutamaan manakala yang rumit dan perlukan kefahaman dikemudiankan, bermakna prinsip bukan dikorbankan tetapi dipelihara dan dimantapkan.

Bagaimana kalau berlaku pertembungan, bagaimana kalau perlu pilih antara menerima atau menolak Islam? Di sinilah kedudukan kritikal PAS dalam kerajaan tadi akan diambil-kira oleh semua. KeADILan dan DAP sedar akan hakikat ini, begitu juga PAS. Kita mengharapkan kerajaan ini tidak akan menghimpit PAS sampai ke peringkat itu,

Just like DAP assemblymen are required to declare their assets.

Lee,declare yourself.

Do not just say you are in UK now.

Are you in UK as a student,holidaying,a PR there or a citizen?

If you want others to take you seriously,declare yourself.

By IAN McINTYRE

KOTA BARU: PAS vice-president Datuk Husam Musa has clarified that his statement on the party taking over the Government at the federal level was taken out of context.

“I mentioned that we are hopeful of taking 30 more parliamentary seats to win power and not about forming an Islamic Government,” he said.

Husam urged the mass media to be careful in its reporting to avoid antagonising anyone unnecessarily.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Frontpage/2188527/Article/index_html

GEORGE TOWN: The DAP has expressed shock and anger over Pas’ proposal to form an Islamic federal government.

DAP life adviser Dr Chen Man Hin said the party would not agree or co-operate with Pas should they insist on forming an Islamic government at the federal level.

“This is not part of our understanding. It will be no-go for the DAP if they do that. We will surely not accept it.

“Their proposal has left a big question mark over our future co-operation,” a visibly upset Dr Chen said while angrily pushing aside a newspaper article on the Pas proposal.

Dr Chen, who was at the day-long DAP national leadership convention, said the party decided to co-operate with Pas because of its intention to convert Malaysia into a welfare state.

“But look at what they are saying now,” he said when asked to comment on Pas vice-president Datuk Husam Musa’s statement that Pas was confident it could soon set up an Islamic form of government at the federal level.

Husam had said there was growing support among the Chinese and Indians for the party’s political struggle.

Dr Chen said the DAP would be discussing the matter soon.

“While I would like to leave this matter alone at this moment, I think the party will need to seek clarification on this.

“Right now, we do not know whether it is Husam’s personal view or the party’s.”

Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president Sivarasa Rasia also expressed surprise at Husam’s statement.

“I have looked at the latest manifesto of Pas and there is nothing stated about an Islamic government.”

> Someone from Sabah talk sense…..

1)…Sabah Progressive Party president Datuk Yong Teck Lee said he was puzzled why the NEP was still an issue when it had been replaced by the

>’National Development Policy’(NDP)…

> TUN DR M launched the “NDP” which year ? I forgot the year ,do you remember ?

2)…“so called cancellation of the NEP” was completely redundant because it no longer existed and it was equally disappointing that Penang Umno was still harping on a non-existent policy.

3)…no wonder that some politicians both from ruling and opposition have lost focus on which policy to talk about,”

Why PKR,DAP,PAS & West Malaysians are still dreaming ? ….Lost focus ?

Why MCA, Gerakan, MIC, PPP, PBB,PRS still hiding the ‘Truth’ ?

Bravo, Sabahans dare to speak out.

Repeat for reference only.

Syabas. Barisan Rakyat.

Today at 01: 06.55 (9 hours ago)
LWY:

If you believe so strongly in your principles, come back to Bolehland and join UMNO in the protests in Perak against the PAS/PKR/DAP coalition.

Yes…… that’s the way to go

Did these two demos received police permit to hold the demos. It is everyone guess. It is obvious that both demos are meant to instill fears and hatred towards the DAP in particular and PKR and PAS in general.

If such demos become a daily event, imagine what subsequently will follows – bloodsheds in the country. This will be an excuse for the federal government to impose emergency rule in the country.

The rakyat are intelligent enough and are sick with the cheap propaganda of the BN/UMNO. As a matter of fact the lies and demos that were carried out will backfired on them, as more and more people will give their full hearted support to DAP-PKR-PAS lose coalition which explained the lost of the five states and denying two thirds majority to BN/UMNO in the Dewan Rakyat in the recent election..

If you believe so strongly in your principles, come back to Bolehland and join UMNO in the protests in Perak against the PAS/PKR/DAP coalition. Any supporter of the DAP who puts the new ruling coalition at risk is a moron. No other word to describe this.

But in those same 50 years, these thick skin fools still cannot get their thinking straight perhaps blinded by bar girls or night clubbing, or girlie barbers squats.

That they are not representatives of Chinese Malaysians but only their members.

For those who are young, I dont blame you getting to think that way because there is no other source of media. Lies has appear truth, the power of the media.
If it takes 50 years to get this understanding blame it to MOE an BN and your father or yourself for not seeing beyond the veil.

The Chinese Malaysians vote DAP like all other non Chinese Malaysians because they stand up for well being our future , our children future not just talk and make dream statements like angkasawan -NAH…and making nice glamorous motivating statement while siphoning $$$$.
All because they have media on the strangle hold.

I strongly feel you have negative think about the whole Malaysian politic .
complete your studies IN uk FIRST, THEN come back to malaysia to be a truly Malaysian with moden thinking, dont just think you are chinese, they are Malay or indian. We are True Malaysian for all we are the same. We are looking for better life in Malaysia.

Are you introduce yourself as Chinese Malaysian in uk ? or i from Malaysia