My three-paragraph statement at 7 pm last night that the DAP Central Executive Committee emergency meeting on 9th March had not given approval for a PAS Mentri Besar to head a Perak coalition state government was not made out of disrespect to the Perak Sultan and Regent both whom I have always held in the highest regard and I apologise for any offence caused. The statement was on the party position at the time.
There have been further discussions and developments on the matter in the hours after the statement. Announcements of the latest position will be made.

#1 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 5:36 pm
http://mohamadsabu.com/berita111.html
Oleh MJ
KOTA BHARU, – Mursyidul Am PAS menganggap pemimpin bukan Islam semakin berani mendesak kerajaan menyemak undang-undang berkaitan pertukaran agama kerana ideologi memisahkan agama dan politik masih menjadi anutan pemimpin utama negara.
Tuan Guru Dato’ Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat berkata, punca berlaku tuntutan seumpama itu kerana kefahaman pemimpin yang memisahkan agama dan politik dalam pentadbiran negara sudah merebak. “Ini punca yang mendorong pemimpin bukan Islam berani mendesak kerajaan menyemak semula undang-undang berkaitan pertukaran agama. Pemimpin negara masih menganggap agama sekadar sembahyang, puasa, keluar zakat dan menunaikan ibadat haji semata-mata.
“Anutan itu dibiar berkembang sehingga sekarang, sedangkan agama mencakupi semua bidang dalam kehidupan manusia termasuk aspek politik,” katanya pada kuliah mingguan di Medan Ilmu di sini, hari ini.
Semalam 10 menteri kabinet bukan Islam dilaporkan mengemukakan memorandum bersama kepada Perdana Menteri bagi meminta Dato’ Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi menyemak semula undang-undang berkaitan pertukaran agama.
Sebelum ini Presiden MIC, Dato’ Seri S Samy Vellu meminta kerajaan meminda perlembagaan sedia ada bagi memastikan hak orang bukan Islam di negara ini lebih terpelihara.
Isu itu timbul selepas berlaku kontroversi pendaki Everest, Sarjan M Moorthy atau Mohamad Abdullah memeluk Islam sebelum kematiannya tanpa pengetahuan isterinya yang masih beragama Hindu.
Desakan pindaan itu dibuat terhadap Artikel 121 (1A) Perlembagaan Persekutuan. Malah ada pihak berhujah pindaan itu sekiranya dibenarkan akan menjejaskan Artikel 3 yang memperuntukkan Islam sebagai agama rasmi Persekutuan.
Tuan Guru Nik Abdul Aziz yang juga Menteri Besar Kelantan berkata, penyakit itu terus merebak kerana kefahaman asas politik yang dipisahkan daripada elemen agama.
Dipetik Dari:
HarakahDaily.Net
#2 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 5:44 pm
alexx Says:
Today at 17: 26.50 (10 minutes ago)
‘Dear Lee Wang Yen,
And….. Till now you still dunno what is the different between “PAS-states” and “Coalition – states” ?’
This rhetorical question misses the point.
The excerpts are meant to show that, according to recent sources (2008), PAS leaders have not abandoned the agenda of Islamic state and their negative attitude towards non-Muslims’ request for religious rights.
By the way, the fact that PAS does not dominate Perak and Selangor does not mean that it is not dangerous. Some may think that DAP’s current co-operation with PAS is innocuous because the latter does not have the 2/3 majority to push their agenda. However, according to Lim Kit Siang’s article in 2003, PAS’ programmes of Islamic State and Islamisation are dangerous even if there is no possibility for them to gain enough power to implement them. This is because these programmes will set off a competition between PAS and UMNO to out Islam-State each other, thereby undermining our social contract and our nation as a secular democracy. Below is what he says:
‘Although there is no possibility in the next general election that PAS can put its Islamic State blueprint into practice – as the issue in the next general election is still whether it is possible to deny Barisan Nasional its unbroken two-thirds majority in Parliament – the PAS Islamic State blueprint can have far-reaching consequences to change the Malaysian nation as it will ratchet up the UMNO-PAS competition to out-Islam and out-Islamic-State each other to a new and unprecedented level with grave damage to the very fabric of the 46-year social contract and Merdeka Constitution of Malaysia as a secular nation with Islam as the official religion but not an Islamic state, whether ala-PAS or ala-UMNO.’
Although this statement was made in 2003, it is still relevant, given that Hadi Awang has said that PAS will not back down on the Islamic state issue.
#3 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 5:51 pm
PAS leaders are against the separation of religion and state (or ‘church’ and state, as it is originally used in political philosophy), which is an essential element of secular democracy:
‘Tuan Guru Dato’ Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat berkata, punca berlaku tuntutan seumpama itu kerana kefahaman pemimpin yang memisahkan agama dan politik dalam pentadbiran negara sudah merebak. “Ini punca yang mendorong pemimpin bukan Islam berani mendesak kerajaan menyemak semula undang-undang berkaitan pertukaran agama. Pemimpin negara masih menganggap agama sekadar sembahyang, puasa, keluar zakat dan menunaikan ibadat haji semata-mata.’
“Anutan itu dibiar berkembang sehingga sekarang, sedangkan agama mencakupi semua bidang dalam kehidupan manusia termasuk aspek politik,” katanya pada kuliah mingguan di Medan Ilmu di sini, hari ini. ‘
#4 by HJ Angus on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:03 pm
just an observation on the endless stream of comments:
It is good that people are now more open to air their views but just look at the many points that we are arguing about.
Maybe that is the situation among the BR partners and also why LKS is somewhat quiet now – he must be doubly busy now compared to the campaign period working out problems within the BR.
#5 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:09 pm
“It is not for Raja Nazrin to select the person he feels is best for the job. He is a constitutional Monarch and is obliged to follow the will of the people.” Malaysian. Democrat
It is for the Malay Ruler of the state of Perak (or the person who represents him i.e. the Regent) to appoint, in his discretion, the person who commands the confidence of the political party which has won the popular mandate as MB and then for the MB to appoint members of his EXCO.
In the case of the Federal Government, the Agong has discretion under Article 40 Sub-clause (2) but acts upon advice. Similarly the Regent in the case of the state of Perak may act in his discretion but that discretion has to be justiciably exercised and does not extend so far as to include actually choosing one of three names put forward to him. The Regent acts on advice. Where is the advice when three names were proposed instead of one? As constitutional monarch he is above politics – meaning not only that he is supposed to act on advice but constitutionally speaking has no political view or preference. His personal views do not matter. The discretion given to him is narrow and limited and exercisable only when there is no clear leader in the party that has won the mandate of the people. Yes, I would agree that it is not for the Ruler or the Regent in his absence, to select the person he feels is best for the job.
“ The will of the people gave DAP the majority of seats by a long way. He should have chosen Ngeh if he was fair and not racist. Raja Nazrin was wrong to elect the minority party. That is not democracy.”
The leader from the party that has won the elections and therefore the popular mandate to rule and who commands the confidence of his party should be the only name forwarded to the Ruler. The DAP may have won the most number of seats but in this case they would not be able to form the state government on their own without the cooperation of the other two members of the coalition. The coalition won the popular mandate to govern. Together they exercise the will of the people. You are wrong when you say that the will of the people resides with the DAP. It resides with the coalition.
Calling the Regent a racist is seditious.
#6 by alexx on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:12 pm
“Lee Wang Yen Says:
Today at 17: 44.58 (23 minutes ago)
alexx Says:
Today at 17: 26.50 (10 minutes ago)
‘Dear Lee Wang Yen,
And….. Till now you still dunno what is the different between “PAS-states” and “Coalition – states” ?’
This rhetorical question misses the point.
The excerpts are meant to show that, according to recent sources (2008), PAS leaders have not abandoned the agenda of Islamic state and their negative attitude towards non-Muslims’ request for religious rights. ”
And I just want to remind you:
Malaysia had been declared as an ‘Islamic Country’ decade ago even without PAS wining as the majority in this nation.
And also so many years I did saw only DAP ALONE in against this declaration. DAP forced to form coalition state’s government which inclusive of PAS is simply because of many else (perhaps you as well) just simply vote ‘blindly’ and caused DAP has not enough seats.
People who in Penang practice the best solution for you (which giving DAP-PKR enough seats to form state’s government)
And also as the respond to UMNO-PAS competition..
With Barisan Rakyat… all 3 parties seem balance and always have equal chances to vote out… to deal within 1-another for solution and dare to say ‘NO’ to another….But what for another barisan else?
I appreciate you to be so hardworking in telling us all about PAS story… But its will be far for better for you to sound your doubt to PAS directly in their leaders’ blogs …. Yet helping all of us to gain their confirmation….You are making this blog too messy by posting so much funny things around… No one right here will know what actually in PAS mind… only they themselves…
So, go ask directly to them indeed of spaming here! I believe Uncle Lim oso dunno what is in PAS leaders mind!
#7 by jaMz on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:12 pm
ANTI RACISM PLS!……………….
Q> Why is this so hard?
a> Majority seats rules!
Q> Why is this so hard?
a> Hire Muslim Apprentice/Adviser regarding muslim issues!
Q> Why is this so hard?
a> Chinese w/e as long as WE LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER!
Q> Why is this so hard?
a> Are U so dump u dunno whats the issue here?!
STOP BEING RACIST! WE SHARED THE SAME BLOOD NO MATTER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! WE LIVE UNDER THE SAME ROOF AND WE SHARE THE SAME FAITH NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS COUNTRY!
enough said… peace -.-
#8 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:24 pm
The suggestion is that, we can never know PAS’s agenda and their views on issues like the religious rights of non-Muslims, whether from BBC, Times, the Strait’s Times,…or even Niz Aziz, Hadi Awang, PAS official websites…Whatever, since only Hadi Awang has privileged access to his own mental states…
Wow, it sounds like we either have something akin to divine incomprehensibility or simply a denial syndrome.
Or perhaps we have just bumped into a sceptic about other minds.
#9 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:27 pm
PAS leaders’ stance on the Moorthy case is diametrically opposed to that of Lim Kit Siang, as shown in those excerpts.
#10 by Loh on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:33 pm
Loh Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Today at 06: 11.24 (10 hours ago)
Jeffrey, is your waiting for moderation that long?
#11 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:38 pm
‘PAS is such and such, did such and such, and holds such and such’
-No, I don’t believe
BBC reports
- biased
TImes
-biased
the Strait’s Times (Singapore)
-biased
Lim Kit Siang’s past media statements
-biased, outdated
This interview statement by Hadi Awang shows that many claims about PAS made in the past are not outdated
-I reject this, whatever it is, I refuse to believe
NST online report
-obviously biased
excerpts of PAS leaders’ speeches, taken from their blogs
-bi..oops. No, no bias. But how can we know their mental states? Even if they say something negative about non-Muslim rights…Well, you can never prove that he really mean this since no one has privileged access to their mental states.
Wow, I’m amazed, really amazed!
#12 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:39 pm
oops…they really mean this…
#13 by alexx on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:44 pm
Dear Lee Wang Yen ,
If you really ‘hate’ PAS so much….
Yet I would like to suggest you, spend your time from now (as well as the next 4 yrs) in convincing public placing their votes to DAP and PKR in GE13. So that DAP-PKR can organize states’ government without the inclusive of PAS…
Thats all…
#14 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:45 pm
Alexx,
‘No one right here will know what actually in PAS mind… only they themselves…
So, go ask directly to them indeed of spaming here’
An interviewer has already asked Hadi Awang, PAS president. And he has already said that PAS will not give way on the Islamic state issue, as this is why they are fundamentally different from UMNO.
See the reference provided in my earlier post.
Besides, Kedah PAS MB has already said that Islamic laws and regulations (including dress code) are still in agenda and will be introduced later.
#15 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:49 pm
Alexx,
I don’t agree with PAS’s agendas of Islamic State and Islamisation. But I don’t hate PAS people.
I don’t agree with my late supervisor on some philosophical issues, but I love him.
Disagreement DOES NOT IMPLY hatred.
#16 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 6:52 pm
alexx Says:
Today at 18: 44.27 (5 minutes ago)
Dear Lee Wang Yen ,
‘If you really ‘hate’ PAS so much….
Yet I would like to suggest you, spend your time from now (as well as the next 4 yrs) in convincing public placing their votes to DAP and PKR in GE13. So that DAP-PKR can organize states’ government without the inclusive of PAS…’
I don’t think I need to do this. I’m inclined to think that PAS will later or sooner reveal their Islamisation agenda, and people will then react accordingly.
#17 by alexx on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:05 pm
[ Lee Wang Yen Says:
Today at 18: 49.39 (4 minutes ago)
Alexx,
I don’t agree with PAS’s agendas of Islamic State and Islamisation. But I don’t hate PAS people.
I don’t agree with my late supervisor on some philosophical issues, but I love him.
Disagreement DOES NOT IMPLY hatred.]
{ If you really hate…..} and { If you really ‘hate’ ……} are both different , if you dunno the art of { ‘ ‘ }
[Lee Wang Yen Says:
Today at 18: 52.38 (2 minutes ago)
I don’t think I need to do this. I’m inclined to think that PAS will later or sooner reveal their Islamisation agenda, and people will then react accordingly.]
So you dun agree to have a coalition-government with the inclusion of PAS…
Yet you are not seeking to ‘workout’ a coalition-government that without PAS….
And what were you busy around right here?
#18 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:11 pm
What else can I do except expressing my views?
#19 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:12 pm
What else can I do except expressing my views, since I’m not a politician?
#20 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:13 pm
What do you mean by your scarequoted ‘hate’?
#21 by kcb on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:21 pm
“….I don’t think I need to do this. I’m inclined to think that PAS will later or sooner reveal their Islamisation agenda, and people will then react accordingly.” Lee Wang Yang
So is Lee saying that in future, if PAS reveals its Islamisation agenda, those people who cannot accept PAS’s Islamisation agenda will not vote for PAS?
#22 by alexx on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:23 pm
Dear Lee Wang Yen,
And you need 3 comments indeed of 1 post……
You are spamming indeed of comment…….
No wonder till now you still cant really ‘read’ mostly of us….
Sick on replying you….
Enjoy yourself with your Idol in your Barisan!
#23 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:27 pm
The fact that I don’t agree with the views of most people here does not mean that I don’t understand what they say.
#24 by alexx on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:42 pm
[Lee Wang Yen Says:
Today at 19: 27.44 (8 minutes ago)
The fact that I don’t agree with the views of most people here does not mean that I don’t understand what they say.]
And the conclusion is you are not with us…..
You can’t see things that we saw….
Still you are never trying to figure the real…
Stubborn around and ignore the realistic…
#25 by gofortruth on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 7:43 pm
Dear Lee Wang Yen
With all due respect the situation on ground is that the pack of 3 has moved on to step 2 as to how best to run the new state governments. We should respect Lim Kit siang’s blog to try to keep our comments at that.
But keep Belting out with your high flying Islamization stuff here is very uncalled for. Do you have a blog of your own? Give us the address so that those of us who are interested can go over and have equally high flying discussions with you.
Thanks!
#26 by jetaime.f on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 8:07 pm
Hi all, I hate to interrupt, but curiousity kills, may I ask what is Mr. Lee’s objective and do you see that it will be achieved here and if you don’t mind, can you explain how would you want your objectives be realized here? Sorry if I have aggravated anyone by sounding so dumb. I guess some enlightenment may help everyone and perhaps Mr. Lee himself?
#27 by matterofchoice2008 on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 8:37 pm
alexx,
From my observations, there are at least two possibilities why Lee Wang Yen worked so hard to post his comments here.
1) He is someone from BN who tries to sound like some academics to give some unreserved comments about PAS and Islamisation. But his actual intention is to build up the fear factors among DAP supporters so as to sway some people to vote for BN in the next election.
2) He is a young chap doing his advance degree in UK on some religion topics. He possibly does a research degree and relies heavily on Wikipedia, BBC, Strait times and other online info. Theoretically he thinks he knows religion topics well and he wants to comment. He thinks that he deserves a little bit more attention as he does well academically especially in religion topics.
Both possibilities are possible, but my best bet is no 2).
I already advised Lee Wang Yen to be more humble and be more practical.
Alex, by the way I find that your suggestion to Lee Wang Yen is very down to earth and practical as Lee Wang Yen claimed to be a DAP supporter.
“Yet I would like to suggest you, spend your time from now (as well as the next 4 yrs) in convincing public placing their votes to DAP and PKR in GE13. So that DAP-PKR can organize states’ government without the inclusive of PAS…”
I am not surprised that he would reject your suggestion. After all he is more concerned about his advance degrees, his research theories, his research topics more than anything else.
#28 by Democrats on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 8:53 pm
Lee Wang Yen,
Start your own blog…..since you are so free in replying everyone mail every ten minutes!
I hate the fact of reading this blog and wanting to hear peoples views and constructive comments and end up seeing your ranting entries in every three entries here.
I’ll visit your blog….promise. call it “I worry about not having my bakuteh, sio yuk and char siew”. Start now! and don’t bother with a reply. Unlike politics, I do not need your vote!
#29 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 9:46 pm
In Kit Siang’s latest blog entry, he says that DAP had no relation with PAS before 8/3, and that the voters’ choice has created a scenario that led to their co-operation.
However, this raises serious questions.
Why did DAP refuse to work with PAS before 8/3? If DAP leaders believed that PAS’s agenda of Islamic state and Islamisation was no longer a problem in this general election, why didn’t they form a coalition with PAS alongside PKR during the election campaign?
If their reservation about PAS’s agenda led to their refusal to co-operate with them before 8/3, do they seriously believe that this (i.e. PAS’s agenda of Islamic state, which led to DAP’s reservation in the first place) is no longer a problem after 5pm on 8/3?
If PAS’s agenda of Islamic state, which led to DAP’s refusal to co-operate with them before 5pm 8/3, remains the same before and after 5pm 8/3, DAP’s current co-operation with PAS will be rightly deemed as unprincipled:
Before 5pm, 8/3, DAP refused to work with PAS because of X; after 5pm, 8/3, DAP is willing to work with PAS DESPITE X
#30 by beankadok on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 9:47 pm
Finally! No wonder the usual fellas have kept away!
#31 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:03 pm
Why can’t people like Jeffrey, LWY answer this simple question:
The DAP Leadership has decided to go along with the Perak MB, and the state exco allocations. They are not considering if they should join, they have now agreed to join. So what’s the purpose of posting endless PAS-bashing comments? What’s the purpose of posting endless quotes from PAS that are unrelated to this issue of Perak MB and Perak state exco ?
We are in agreement with the DAP leadership move, we don’t make postings of “hooray” all over the place. We just tell everyone to respect the DAP leadership decision and move on.
What else does Jeffrey or Lee Wang Yen want ? You want to bicker against the DAP decision so that the clowns from BN can seize upon your comments as the voters being cheated by DAP? So that the clowns from BN can write in the mainstream press that DAP supporters are against the coalition governments because they are dead against working with PAS ?
I can understand if you continue to spin the broken record when the coalition is not formed or is in shambles as you want to influence the ultimate outcome, BUT THE COALITION IS DONE.
So stop spinning the PAS-bashing rhetoric. You don’t know what harm you are doing to the new state governments.
#32 by catharsis on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:08 pm
“…………………Malaysian.Democrat Says:
Today at 11: 03.00 (10 hours ago)
Is that a logical reply, Catharsis?………………………………..
EVEN A FOOL IS THOUGHT WISE IF HE KEEPS SILENT AND DISCERNING IF HE HOLDS HIS TONGUE
#33 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:10 pm
Of all people, Jeffrey should know about this blog allowing the expression of difference of opinions as the hallmark of democracy, but repeatedly advising the DAP not to work with PAS AFTER the coalition governments in Perak and Selangor have been agreed – isn’t that stupid ? Are you REALLY DAP supporters ? Your position has now been seized upon by BN, and used against the very party you support ?
Is this not bodoh sombong ?
#34 by eshams on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:14 pm
I see many chauvinists and racists here. Godfather was being gracious by refering them as DAP right wingers. Right wingers and chauvinists are two different kind of fish. It is OK to be on the right but it is not acceptable to believe in unconditional supremacy.
In my earlier comment I said that DAP/YB LKS missed a golden opportunity to ridself of that chauvinist demon in them. At least it is the perception of Malays of DAP. Malaysian Malaysia cannot afford to have any chauvinist in any position of power or influence be it in UMNO/PAS/PKR/DAP/MCA. Malaysian must rally against them for any hope for Malaysian Malaysia.
Unfortunately my posting has not been approved. My HAIL CEASAR posting was however cleared without hesitation.
Where got freedom of speech, ma? freedom only if you kow tow, ma. and it is a blog by an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech.
#35 by ts16 on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:16 pm
It is not PAS who demolished the Buddist temple in Melaka.
It is not PAS who demolished 100-year-old Hindu temples.
It is not PAS who ban the construction of the Mazu goddess statue in Sarawak.
It is not PAS who set up religious police to spy on youngsters holding hands in the park.
It is not PAS who ban Iban bible and siege imported Christian material.
It is not PAS who repeatedly deny the permits of non-Islam place of worship in their area of governance.
It is not PAS who prohibits “Allah” to be use by other religious groups other than Islam, claming that it’s a word monopolized by Islam where else the truth is that’s only a simple word of saying “God” in Arabic.
It is not PAS who send “promiscuity police” to raid on hotels, only to infuriate and anger some foreign tourist couple on vacation in Malaysia.
It is not PAS who compulsory to ask prayers to be said every time before class begins in some Sekolah Kebangsaan, which gravely worried other non-Muslim parents.
It is not PAS who force Hindu students to witness cow slaughter ceremony during Hari Korban.
It is not PAS who initiate the segregation sections of pork stalls in Pasar and supermarkets. At the same time, there is a Pasar in the “mysterious east coast state” which Chinese pork sellers could sell their meat at ease to non-Muslim without any segregation. The best thing is… the pork stall is situated right beside a taxi stand where hundreds of Muslims pass by everyday.
And surprisingly, the largest Buddha statue in Malaysia is situated in this “mysterious east coast state” which is full of Talibans and Al-Qaeda, beware!!!
It is not PAS who put in the identification of Muslim and Non-Muslim in the secondary school exam slip, be it PMR, SPM, or STPM.
It is not PAS who send religious authority to snatch dead bodies from the decease’s family while claiming the dead ones to be Muslims in a controversial way.
And many more…….
Which political party does all the above, and claim itself as a “progressive and moderate Islamic” government? The truth is this party uses Islam simply for its ethno-centric ultra nationalistic agenda.
Does the BBC, Straits Time or what ever foreign media say this? Though I’m not saying that PAS is 100% trustable, but at least they don’t do the above mentioned things like some “moderate Islam” party in Malaysia.
#36 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:16 pm
Write to Kit to view your disappointment. Go work for MCA and Gerakan and spin your anti-PAS record. We don’t need people like Jeffrey and Lee Wang Yen to continously try to disrupt the coalition against moving forward for the majority of us who want to see them succeed.
#37 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:19 pm
I’m sure DAP appreciates conscientious supporters who are genuinely committed to their principles of Malaysians first and secular democracy. They may be critical, they may lack herd instinct,… but what makes them so are (partly) their commitment to what the party strives for – Malaysians first and secular democracy.
#38 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:20 pm
eshams:
They can be chauvinists, but somehow they don’t understand the need to close ranks once the DAP leadership has agreed to work with the state coalition governments. It is as though that they are angry and they want to give ammunition to the BN clowns to go against DAP in the mainstream press. In one posting, I called them “stupid”.
#39 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:23 pm
Sitting in the UK, and yet not understanding English properly. Why are you so hell-bent in giving ammunition to the BN thieves to exploit through their mainstream press ?
#40 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:35 pm
Regarding expressions of differences within supporters of DAP. You can see them from another perspective (especially since you’ve been calling others stupid and obstinate). You can see them as an opportunity to do soul searching within DAP, an opportunity to rethink the rationale of our decisions and how we could properly and rationally respond to genuine concerns and legitimate questions.
If we can’t even respond to genuine concerns and legitimate questions of fellow DAP supporters with proper respect and thoughtful arguments, how could we deal with external critics in a responsible manner.
Unfortunately, many have chosen to respond with abuses, ad hominem attacks, … and refused to deal with the arguments.
#41 by eshams on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:38 pm
Godfather, i could see that you are a voice of reasons. I read your posting on songkok and I told you so. Chauvinists due to their extreme views are not difficiult to uncover. DAP has a lot to do to rid itself of these chauvinists. They must not be tolerated. DAP is the prime advocate of Malaysian Malaysia but it is also the number ONE stumbling block to this very concept due to the presence of these loud chauvinists.
Presto, my earlier posting has been approved. Many half baked democrats around manning the administration. Lacking in experience, I guess.
#42 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:39 pm
DAP is happy with all sorts of supporters. DAP asks for opinions from supporters. But DAP would wish that supporters who do not agree with a certain course of action KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT once the DAP leadership has decided on that course of action.
Continously bitching about our course of action being the wrong one, continously bitching that one of our coalition partners is evil or up to no good – that only plays into the hands of the people we displaced in Perak and Selangor.
#43 by Warrior of Cookies on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:46 pm
Respectable Sirs / Mdms of Barisan Rakyat,
It is rollicking moment to learn when the Opposition Parties have making a giant leap in 12th Election but that feeling was short live after learning the knee jerk statements were being made again and again for not able to achive any admin consensus.
The so called Barisan Rakyat has practically leave the rakyat who casted their votes to BR, in nasty storm or in the lurch and feel sorry with the clown-like statements published in the news.
If the Barisan Rakyat couldn’t put their act together.. hmm..!! This, BR Flight #12, practically is poised to crash even before take off or with all tyres punctured in the runway.
So, please sort out whatever grey areas behind closed-door instead of having negative media coverage. Negative news kills..!!! BR is basically leaving yourselves in a very vulnerable state.
Let this SEED of Barisan Rakyat grows for Rakyat’s sake who trusted your mandates instead of having split personality leadership…!!!
As I was saying earlier, do us proud for choosing YOU…!!!
#44 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:46 pm
I’m sure DAP appreciates conscientious and critical supporters who voice their concerns by setting out their arguments and reasoning properly.
A self-critical community is better than one dictated by herd instinct.
#45 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:47 pm
LWY:
You are sitting in the UK, posting your views on PAS, about how bad they are, about how untrustworthy they are, and it has been going on for days now. We know your position – you don’t want the DAP to cooperate with PAS, and you would rather that the DAP withdraw from the state governments of Perak and Selangor.
We all heard you days ago. The DAP leadership also heard you. But we decided that we should try and give the new coalition state governments a chance. We have agreed the state exco seat allocations.
Water under the bridge. No u-turn. We all want to give the coalition time to see if they can work together.
So accept this reality, and stop making comments that people like Lim Keng Yaik and Ong Ka Ting can parrot. Stop making comments that give MCA and Gerakan hope that there are DAP supporters out there who are angry with the DAP, who do not agree with cooperation with PAS, who prefer to withdraw from the state coalitions.
#46 by Godfather on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 10:53 pm
You are seriously undermining the very party that you purport to support. You are also seriously undermining the coalition governments in Perak and Selangor.
If you don’t understand that, try to get an explanation from people like Jeffrey.
#47 by Better Future on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 11:07 pm
Everyone out there please forgive our belove Lim Kit Siang. Although I’m surprice by his statement on not accepting the Pas MB but I do understand his stand. He had been bitten once by PAS which almost make DAP bungkus. We’re all human that mean will sometime make mistake. LKT please fight on we all Malaysian will support you. You still get my whole family support. Shame to BN not willing to accept the result. But the good point is if they keep behaving this way it will collapse soon look at the fighting among their own party. Again I would like to emphasize all youngster out there should boycott Malaysia Newpaper for at least the next 6 months because this is not reporting News it was a paper that helping BN to pass the message. SUCKS
#48 by Warrior of Cookies on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 11:10 pm
Respectable Sirs / Mdms of Barisan Rakyat,
It is rollicking moment to learn when the Opposition Parties have making a GIANT leap in 12th Election but that feeling was short live after learning the knee jerk statements were being made as a result of not being able to achieve common ground among the opposition leaders.
The Barisan Rakyat has practically left the rakyat who casted their votes in nasty storm and feel sorry with ourselves for the clown-like statements published in the press, nets and all.
If the Barisan Rakyat couldn’t put their act together.. hmm..!! this, BR Flight #12, practically is poised to crash even before take off or with all tyres punctured in the runway.
So, please sort out whatever grey areas behind closed-door instead of having negative media coverage. Negative news kills..!!! BR is basically leaving the new line up in a very vulnerable state.
Let this SEED of Barisan Rakyat grows for Rakyat’s sake and not to those senile with split personality leaderships. We trusted your mandates and please think before you act next time as this has far reaching effect on the political success and counter-productive indeed.
Do us proud coz we still believe in you..!!! Nothing is impossible…!!!
#49 by Lee Wang Yen on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 11:16 pm
Perhaps it would be good if DAP leaders could explain why they refused to work with PAS during the election campaign.
They might also want to explain why they kept emphasising that there was no relation whatsoever with PAS during their election rallies.
#50 by alaneth on Saturday, 15 March 2008 - 11:38 pm
# Lee Wang Yen Says:
Today at 23: 16.26 (18 minutes ago)
Perhaps it would be good if DAP leaders could explain why they refused to work with PAS during the election campaign.
They might also want to explain why they kept emphasising that there was no relation whatsoever with PAS during their election rallies.
They did that to gain support from the Chinese community. What DAP has done is right! & I fully support 100%.