(Media Conference Statement (2) by DAP Ipoh Timor parliamentary candidate Lim Kit Siang at Ipoh Timor Ops Centre on Wednesday, 5th March 2008)
IGP should suspend Segamat OCPD for using force on seven-month pregnant woman DAP candidate in Labis to demonstrate police respect for women dignity and rights.
The Johore police called an unprecedented 1.30 am press conference in Johore Baru yesterday morning to give their version of the scuffle over a mike between the Segamat OCPD Supt Abd Majid Mohd Ali and the seven-month pregnant woman DAP candidate for Labis Teo Eng Ching in Labis on Monday at about 2.30 pm during my 24-hour four-state 11-stop election whistlestop tour.
This is a reflection of the power of the internet for immediately after the scuffle in Labis at about 3 pm, the Internet was abuzz with reports of a police officer in a scuffle with a seven-month pregnant DAP parliamentary candidate which resulting in her being hospitalized, creating concerns about the health and welfare of both the mother and the unborn child.
In the 1.30 am press conference, Johore police chief Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Mohd Sharif denied that a police officer had used force against a pregnant woman DAP parliamentary candidate.
Mokhtar denied that the police officer had pushed anybody let alone take away by force the microphone Teo was using to say “thank you” to several hundreds of supporters who had turned up to welcome my visit.
Nobody alleged that the Segamat OCPD “pushed” Teo, but what is undeniable is that Abdul Majid was involved in a scuffle with the seven-month pregnant candidate when he tried to snatch her mike – as illustrated the photographs (below) and video tape on Youtube .
Mokhtar’s claim that it was Teo who did the pushing is both preposterous and outrageous, as borne out by the photographs and video clip.
I had gone up to Abdul Majid to urge him to refrain from continuing the scuffle with Teo in trying to snatch away the mike.
I find it most regrettable that the Police had given a selective and dishonest account of what happened, hiding photographs from the media which would have told the country the whole truth.
It is most shameful,for a police officer to use force on the seven-month pregnant DAP woman parliamentary candidate when all she wanted was to say a few words of thanks to the public who had gathered to meet me.
The Inspector-General of Police, Tan Sri Musa Hassan should suspend Abdul Majid as Segamat OCPD to demonstrate police respect for woman dignity and rights instead of siding with him in his deplorable conduct r using force in a scuffle with a seven-month pregnant DAP woman candidate.
If the police are not prepared to do justice in the Labis seven-month pregnant woman DAP candidate case, then all Malaysians should use their vote on March 8, which is also the International Women’s Day, to express their condemnation of the police officer’s scuffle and using force on Teo on Monday.
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#1 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:56 am
St0rmFury, when I said shut up, it is just an figurative expression. YOU and I know that I have no right or the power to ask anybody to shut up. Just like that kickbutt has never stopped calling me name. If all of us are not there, why can’t we just let DAP leverage a little advantage from it. We all know the oppositions are fighting this campaign under enormous disadvantage. That is my point. Please go back to read my first posting on this issue above. I think I have expressed myself clearly there. I did not say Police abuse or was rough with her. I just said police action – the act of going to her to snatch the mike – is unnecessary. Got it? You people have always said we never read or understand others’ posting. I think Jeffrey and Undergrads are famous for that.
#2 by kickbutt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:59 am
“Don’t confuse the issues just because one has lots of anger for the police.”
This limkamput fella has anger for the police? Gimme a break! Don’t we all have anger against a police force corrupt, ineffective and brutal in their ways anywhere in the world? This stupid fella is extremely naive in thinking that being right gives him to right to abuse fellow commentators for their opinions.
The topic of the thread is ” IGP should suspend Segamat OCPD for using force….” and not “Should the police have issued a police permit”?
Admittedly there are secondary or collateral issues like the requirement of police permits for ‘ceramah’ during elections. But Jeffrey and Undergrad2 are just addressing the only issue raised in this thread which is did the police officer commit assault against the pregnant speaker to the point of endangering her foetus?
Everone here has the right to express his opinion right or wrong without having to be harassed and insulted by the likes of this limkamput! I really think the moderator should throw him out!
#3 by matterofchoice2008 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:08 am
undergrad, sorry to interfere but this is my unbiased comments.
Teo did not push OCPD away as described by undergrad. What the video showed was that OCPD kept advancing till Teo stepped back from her original position.(at least 2 steps back)
Teo is seen as raising her left hand (quite naturally as a defensive action) as to block further advancing actions of the OCPD.
It is unable to tell exactly from the pictures especially from Teo’s facial expressions if Teo got a shock from the incident or not. As far as a pregnant women is concerned, a stimulus such as this and as seen on youtube (minor thing you may see it) could possibly cause a pregnant women got some kind of shock effect and feeling not well.
In a smaller picture, one can say that police is acting accordingly as ceramah is not granted a permit by police.
But in a bigger picture, one should also look at police if police is granting ceramah’s permits fairly to BN and to the oppositions and controlling BN’s ceramah and opposition’s ceramah fairly.
If the bigger picture is not in place and we start to zoom into the smaller picture, of course the police is always acting accordingly. That “act accordingly and menjalankan tugas” in fact is what our police always claim.
Nevertheless my advice to Johor’s police is that they should “act accordingly and menjalankan tugas” to catch the robber and thieves in Johor as in a bigger picture Johor’s crime rate is very high.
#4 by jspt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:15 am
I hope that this topic can end it here. We have more and more important topics to discuss such as how can DAP play its role in the development of this country;work hand in hand with other parties in DUN/Parliament if able to deny 2/3 majority;etc..
Frankly speaking, I do not want to see DAP always be the opposition side,not only on the check & balance BUT also on the development of the state and country as a whole.
I am Penangite, I always hear people said DAP just play their role to fight in the Parliament/DUN only without providing much on services to the people. Any requests/ application by DAP to the local authority mostly being ignored or slow in processing by local authority. I do not know how true is it. That’s why until today, penangites prefer to vote for DAP just for Parliament seats only. Hope that DAP could look into this issue seriously and able to convince Penangites in tonight’s Grand Ceramah to have both vote to DAP for DUN & Parliament. I really sad if DAP not able to grab more seats for DUN.I have done my part to convince my friends and customers to vote for DAP irregardless of DUN/Parliament seats. Hope you all can help DAP too.
#5 by scorpian6666 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:24 am
the one man two votes shock me! the police actions anger me. This is work of the “DEVIL”. or Simply BN = DEVIL offering shinny “apple” then slaughtered them. GOSH! no more no more no more no more
#6 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:24 am
kickyourbutt @ come2papi, I think the moderator should kick you out first for being a coward and by trying to make a pass on fellow bloggers.
You must have waited for many days before a topic concerning law and right come up, one-dimensional man. I guess I have to add you to the list of people who never read and understand others’ postings. I suggest you go back and read from my first posting to determine whether I have said anything about police brutality in this particular case.
What I said was police action of going after the mike is completely unnecessary given the circumstances. But to you wannabe lawyers and judges, this is about the law; whether the police touched her or abused her, that the police are just performing their duty; that we must all follow the law of the land, blah blah blah. Now, if the OCPD had not acted the way he did (i.e going after the mike), I guess the DAP would have nothing to “capitalise”. Has it ever occurred to you fellows that this is the defensive strategy of DAP. Yes, if you try to be prickly and come after us, be prepared to face all the consequences and publicity. This is how the game is played because we all know Police is just an apparatus of BN. No wonder I have to keep reminding you that you are mega stupid.
#7 by toyolbuster on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:28 am
Permit or no permit thats no way to treat a lady, don’t mind a pregnant lady as well. Has anybody bothered to check if all the BN parties do have a permit to hold similar ceramah? Just becos the police only harass the opposition side, the BN ceramahs are being left alone with no bother.
#8 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:40 am
kickyourbutt says…..the only issue raised in this thread which is did the police officer commit assault against the pregnant speaker to the point of endangering her foetus?
Yes, if the police come for the mike, and forcibly take the mike from her, this is what the DAP is going to imply. So what, may I ask?
#9 by matterofchoice2008 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:47 am
all,
As said let us not lose our focus and momentum. We should look at the bigger pictures rather than spend too much time studying and arguing the details of the smaller pictures.
jspt,
Let us penangites this time round vote Oppositions for both parlimentary and state seats. One more day or so to go before this saturday’s election, lets garner more support for oppositions by convincing more of our friends and relatives. I am a supporter for Jeff Ooi, the star blogger.
http://www.geocities.com/matterofchoice2008/My_page.html
#10 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:52 am
///I would advise Jeffrey and undergrad to cease provoking him further for now. It would be a waste of time since you can’t change a zealot’s mind///-St0rmFury.
Thanks an advice based on the best of intentions.
However it seems strange that just because Lim KamPut asked me to “shut up†(whether it I metaphorical, figurative or actual) until election day I should heed what he said! Who is he?
Countless others have asked him to shut up, and he hasn’t.
Anyone of us can say what we want to say here whether or not it meets his approval – which is of no consequence, at least to me.
No one should be held hostage to the vexations of anyone else’s ‘fiery’ postings or gibberish mutterings. He can put a 100 postings here so can anyone of us so inclined and unless the Moderator deletes, there is not much anyone here can do, that’s a fact.
We can continue to say what we want. The choice is own whether we want to argue rationally or emotionally – in a manner civil or grunt like animal, it is up to us, and a reflection of us as well.
#11 by AnakSabah on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:52 am
We have another 2 more days to go before polling. I saluted to DAP Candidate of Labis, Teo Eng Ching for her braveness.
The photographs and video tapes had spoken loud and clear.
I wanted to vote for her but I can’t as I am from Sabah, but YOU and your entire family CAN………I appeal to all Labis voters…. vote wisely, vote for those who dares to speaks, vote for Teo Eng Ching and her unborn Child!!
#12 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:55 am
///I would advise Jeffrey and undergrad to cease provoking him further for now. It would be a waste of time since you can’t change a zealot’s mind///-St0rmFury.
Thanks an advice based on the best of intentions.
However it seems strange that just because any poster asked me to “shut up†(whether it I metaphorical, figurative or actual) until election day I should heed what he said! Who is he?
Countless others have asked him to shut up, and he hasn’t.
Anyone of us can say what we want to say here whether or not it meets his approval – which is of no consequence, at least to me.
No one should be held hostage to the vexations of anyone else’s ‘fiery’ postings or gibberish mutterings. He can put a 100 postings here so can anyone of us so inclined and unless the Moderator deletes, there is not much anyone here can do, that’s a fact.
We can continue to say what we want. The choice is own whether we want to argue rationally or emotionally – in a manner civil or grunt like animal, it is up to us, and a reflection of us as well.
#13 by k1980 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 12:06 pm
Who you should kick out on 8.3.08
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news/my_ten_commandments_who_i_will_not_vote_for_on_saturday.html
#14 by iPOH BABY on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 12:15 pm
Since when the country allows a policeMEN to rest their hands on a women ????? A women should only handle by policeWOMEN…..damn idiots! The OCPD must be sued!
#15 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 12:34 pm
Jeffrey, Nobody is stopping you. But come back to the issue at hand. No problem, we can argue rationally or emotionally, it is up to all of us. It is a matter of style and nobody has to subscribe to your style. Don’t try to divert into a personal attack when obviously you have lost an argument on substantive issues.
No, you are factually wrong again. There are no countless people asking me to shut up. It is just one coward using different IDs. I only argue with people when I see the points are obviously skewed. Those who think they are invincible shouldn’t be here. I have no qualm in saying it; I see lots of pua tang sai stuff here. What we write here matters because this is a forum many people read. When I criticise someone’s posting, it is not just meant for that person alone. It is to counter the argument and to allow others to read. Let others judge.
#16 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 12:39 pm
In election time, there is more reason for DAP to maintain its curability. It is not that simple as “if all of us are not there, why can’t we just let DAP leverage a little advantage from itâ€.
The picture painted was that the Segamat OCPD engaged in such acts of restraint or physical restraint without any sensitivity Teo Eng Ching’s pregnant condition against a background that 6 hours later she suffered abdominal pains and had to go to hospital.
Though not explicitly stated, there is an implied suggestion (innuendo) that she suffered abdominal pains as a result of what happened earlier on – which draws serious implication on the professionalism of the police (here we’re not talking generally but on that specific occasion).
Of course the Opposition can take advantage during this time but so can the opposite side. The police already taking statements from the hospital and medical personnel – and what happens if it is medical opinion that her abdominal pains is a natural symptom of pregnancy at that stage and had nothing to do whatsoever with what happened in the cerama 6 hour ago, which from what we could witness from YouTube there was no emotional distress apparent? You want to proceed to accuse the hospital and doctors of being pro-Barisan or police?
There will be an 11th hour a counter allegation from the BN’s side supported by medical opinion that the Opposition is merely kicking up a fuss and irresponsibly dramatizing for political capital something that is not supported by facts at the expense of the police’s reputation and image at the sensitive time of imminent election when police have to appear non partisan.
This kind of thing will boomerang against the DAP.
On the question “did the police officer commit assault against the pregnant speaker to the point of endangering her foetus?†– yes nothing substitutes facts and credibility.
Get it right, don’t just think of cheap shots at leveraging a little advantage from it.
God forbids that the DAP, with its track record for decades of championing Malaysian rights should need this kind of petty leveraging to score points two days before the election!
#17 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 12:42 pm
Sorry typo error – “In election time, there is more reason for DAP to maintain its CREDIBILITY”
#18 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 1:17 pm
I think one point we miss is that Police is an apparatus of BN. May be DAP is highlighting this case to use as a defense mechanism to make sure that the Police would not be too trigger happy to intervene and interfere with the slightest excuse. I still want to maintain that this incident would not have happened had the police shown restrain and professionalism. Yes, professionalism here means police not taking action despite no permit. By taking action (because without permit) is to me police not acting professionally. The police was doing the wrong thing right. What we need is for the police to do the right thing, even though it may be wrong procedurally. I don’t know whether you get what I meant.
I agree that the “game” (if it is really a game) DAP played may boomerang. Well, what choice does DAP have? They have so short time and so little resources. This is how I see the game is played and rest assured that it will become more dirty, spearheaded by none other than BN. We don’t have to be so “upright and proper†with DAP while at the same time leave BN to do what they like.
#19 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 1:24 pm
To make it clearer for you, Jeffrey, when I saw the OCPD went up to Teo to try to take a mike from her, it was like I saw a BN candidate or supporter intruding into a DAP’s function and tried to snatch the mike from Teo. YOU people get it or not. Politics can not be so legalistic lah. If all people like you fellows, Opposition semua tutup kedai lah.
#20 by Toyol on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 1:48 pm
This is really an embarrassment to Malaysia. If the police wanted the mike, the least they should have done is to request a policewoman to do it. A heavily set baboon trying to coax a mike from a pregnant petite woman is really disgusting. Is wanita MCA going to do anything about it since they profess to fight for women’s rights or do they have to wait for their UMNO masters?
#21 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 1:51 pm
///By taking action (because without permit) is to me police not acting professionally. The police was doing the wrong thing right///.
One can maintain this stance only if one rejects altogether the requirement of getting a police permit for ceramahs. Here I assume that the DAP does apply and get permits for its ceramahs whether in Johore and elsewhere. According to The Sun’s report, the DAP sought in Johor 54 police permits, which I assume some have been given. If the DAP, by its own conduct, subscribes, applies and conducts ceramahs in some cases with police permit, making them “legal” ceramahs, then what is the reason or excuse to conduct in ceramahs “without” permit like the one in Labis (if report about that ceramah being proceeded upon without permit were true?) I mean you can’t play by certain rules of engagement (like applying and proceeding on ceramahs with permits) and yet on the other occasions flout these rules of engagement that by conduct you have elsewhere accepted according to your whims and fancies. Whether or not there was a permit issued for Labis is therefore a relevant issue because it provides the background – and excuse, lawful or otherwise, for the OCPD of Segamat to enter the compound, intervene and use such reasonable force as may be necessary to stop the proceedings – even if what constitutes reasonable intervention or force and, whether taking the mike from a candidate in pregnancy is reasonable or not may be subject to different opinions here.
#22 by badak on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 2:13 pm
Opposition parties should learn from BN .Because i have not heard at all of BN CERAMAH without a police permit.With all the big guns in BN going round the country giving Ceramah ,ITS NO PROPLEM FOR THEM GETTING A POLICE PERMIT.
Few days ago KJ came to my area, even the BN candidate was caught unaware.Every one was excited.A ceramah was held no proplem.NO PERMIT NO PROPLEM , EVEN SAW A few policemen rushing forward to shake his hand.BN BOLEH
#23 by chanjoe on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 2:52 pm
I agree with limkamput totally. I was involved 100% in an election before and it seems police actions are different from each area…it all depends on the reaction and patience of each OCPD. Some are very accomodating but some try to show their power and make life difficult for the opposition only.
jeffery & Undergrad2 have to experience it to know how it was.
Therefore here, I called upon you guys to stop ur bickering and look at the issue on the point of Teo being a pregnant woman and she would have had attended breifings by the OCPD with all candidates and to say the OCPD doesnt know she is pregnant is bullshit.
The OCPD should have just let her cakap and finish and be tactful as Teo is a candidate and should be given some leeway. Furthermore what harm can she do by speaking for a few more minutes at the daytime????????
The women folk and men of Labis should take the cue and show the door to CSL’s son and vote in Teo to show that the people are the boss and OCPD should ikut arahan rakyat.
#24 by mauriyaII on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 2:54 pm
What is that barbarian in the guise of a police officer of the PDRM trying to do? In the first place he has no place on any political stage. He is a government servant. He is supposed to be neutral. In other words he is there to serve the people who elected the government in the first place.
Secondly he has no right whatsoever to invole himself in a scuffle with a pregnant women.
Thirdly if as alleged by certain quarters that the DAP did not obtain a permit to hold the rally, then charge the organizers in court. You can always ask Pak Lah to use the ISA. Then you don’t have to charge anybody in court. The truth might come out in a court of law. That is if Lingam doesn’t write the verdict!
These sort of nonsense happens in Bolehland because the top executive is daydreaming part of the time and letting his son-in-law run the country all the time.
The future for Mukhriz is very, very bleak. When KJ becomes the PM he may be tempted to send Mukhriz to Kamunting for being a risk to the peace and security of the nation.
Who knows by then the Segamat OCPD might become the IGP to whack whoever opposed KJ.
#25 by jgspot on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:01 pm
check all pengundi hantu di
http://jgspot.com/viewthread.php?tid=2393&pid=17612&page=1&extra=page%3D1#pid17612
fully support DAP!!!
#26 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:08 pm
Jeffrey, I think you are Saint Jeffrey.
1. I have already implied earlier that in this particular case in Labis, DAP may not have the permit. The reason being (I am just postulating) Sdr Lim’s arrival (both date and time) was so unpredictable and hence probably no permit was sought for in the first place.
2. In case of you are thinking the reason for not applying for the permit could not be attributed to DAP’s failure to plan or organize the ceramah in advance. It is just the whole campaign process has been so unfair, and DAP leaders are short in supply and Sdr Lim probably has to be everywhere at the same time. It is in this context that I feel that the OCPD (if he is really professional and fair) should act with restrain and allow just for a few minutes more for Teo to finish his welcoming speech.
3. As I said many time earlier, your mind are simply too “legalistic†or you simply never read what I wrote earlier. (I read every line you wrote here and elsewhere and I think that makes the difference between you and I. I learned a lot from you, honestly, but I don’t think you learn any damn thing from anybody because you felt in love with your own views and opinions).
4. Who is saying that DAP never apply for the permits for their ceramah in other occasions in Johore. I think DAP will try their very best to comply with the permit and other legal requirements when conducting their election campaign.
5. Unless one is blind or in total oblivion of what is happening in this country, how can one not able to see that the OCPD is over zealous, probably with tacit approval from BN and in the process hopefully to gain some “recognition†for his effort.
6. This was probably a short visit from the Party Advisor to Labis for the first time during this election campaign. Why the police must be so prickly?
7. The issue here is not that DAP is attempting to follow rule (getting permits) whenever or only when it suits them. Far from it. Tell me what DAP has to gain to purposely violate the permit requirement. Sometimes it is just unforeseen that they have to have a gathering like in this case.
8. Jeffrey, since you are such a rule and law abiding person, why don’t you spend some times monitoring whether BN has also violated the permit condition. May be you should also monitor whether the police has taken quick action against BN for any violation. May be you want to make a report against the police for closing both eyes when BN hold their ceramahs without permits.
9. In your world, every thing is black and white. In real world, everything is in different tones of gray. Come back to the real world.
#27 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:17 pm
sorry for 2, is should be written this way:
2. In case you are thinking the reason for not applying for the permit could be attributed to DAP’s failure to plan or organize the ceramah in advance……
#28 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:24 pm
Jeffrey, i read your posting again and again to try to figure out your thinking process. You know what, you certainly know what you know. But i am not sure you know enough to know the exception. And i am not sure you know what you don’t know.
#29 by sungaisiput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:41 pm
I think limkamput may not be brilliantly eloquent in his expression but he is true to his word and he has guts to say what he believes in with out fear unlike a few spineless commenters.
#30 by nckeat88 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:42 pm
Jeffrey, I think your view on this issue is truely neutral, those DAP supporter’s view are just blinded by their anger towards police. Anybody connected to the government when touch the pregnant lady will be blamed. If she were to have any complication of labour few months later, I am sure the police will be blamed again.
#31 by sungaisiput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 3:55 pm
I just hope more rakyat like limkamput will come forward and silence these spineless ones.They are making this site soooo boring and dull.
#32 by raverus on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 5:28 pm
Thugs, what else.
#33 by Navinachendra on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 5:58 pm
Do we need another Royal Commission? If the thugs in the government and the police keep on doing this they will encourage more street demos. See what happened in Thailand.
#34 by dylsee on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 6:22 pm
Law and order are important, but wisdom and mercy is the guiding principles. If such a clip would to show people of the world on their opinion, I think most of them would render their vote to the pregnant woman because the whole world knows that we should protect the weak against the strong. The right of the unborn baby is very precious in the eyes of God and us. Don’t you agree?
#35 by goldenscreen on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 7:01 pm
Well said limkamput. I hate it when people start to speak in legal jargon and totally forget empathy and reasoning. Not to mention context and situation. Not everything in the world can be viewed through a legalistic, black and white prism. Welcome to Earth.
#36 by sungaisiput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 7:58 pm
Hi dylsee..well said and you dont need be a rocket scientist to know this simple facts of life.
goldenscreen…yes me to when ppl try to show off their cleverness to the others.mere show offs.i rather we look through the eye of wisdom and mercy.
limkamput man you are not alone….when you speak from the heart it will be heard.keep up the good work
#37 by LadyGodiva on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 8:08 pm
“Yes, professionalism here means police not taking action despite no permit. By taking action (because without permit) is to me police not acting professionally. The police was doing the wrong thing right. What we need is for the police to do the right thing, even though it may be wrong procedurally. I don’t know whether you get what I meant.â€
I read that some posters refer to this character as Lebai Kamal bin Put – I wonder why? Put or no put, he clearly has his head twisted the wrong way!
This at best is a police officer shown in the pictures as reaching out for the mike, not to grab it away with force, and the woman shown in the picture knew and expected it as she saw him coming, even had a smile on her face – especially after his first failed attempt. She knew the crowd would be behind her and she continued to pander to the crowd.
Pictures speak for themselves. They do not lie.
Notwithstanding the above, question could be asked as to the whether the police officer could have handled the situation better. This of course is after the fact, and is what we call, Monday morning quarter backing! He should know that police permits are not easily issued so ‘ceramahs’ could be held especially when the requests are made by the political opposition, that whatever reason given is an excuse, and is wrong. This is election time. There should be liberal use of their discretionary power in granting permits. But like I said this is after the fact. What do you expect him to do? Extend an invitation to the speaker holding the mike to give it up?? He should have waited for another speaker to take control of the mike before making his move. Again this is after the fact. I am sure he now regrets it because now the opposition is using and politicizing the incident – political fodder for the opposition.
Just what we need! Just like negative campaign in an election. It always works and is effective.
“The police was doing the wrong thing right.†Lebai Kamal bin Put
It is more like the police doing the right thing in the wrong way!
I’m not going to ask you, Lebai Kamal bin Put, to “shut up†or stop writing – like you did to the others and then calling them names using derogatory words etc. Your writings here are not much more than the twisted ramblings of someone who badly craves for attention – and is not getting enough of it. So you must abuse and insult.
To: The Administrator
This blog has been trashed, is being trashed and will continue to be trashed by this character until you take some action like a final warning. It worked the last time. It should work this time. Your non-action has emboldened this obnoxious character and he will continue to be so emboldened. He is taking advantage of Kit who is too busy to read.
Do not expect the others like Jeffrey who has been a serious contributor to this blog not to react to his insults and name calling. I suspect Jeffrey tried the best he could i.e. not to react – but there are limits. Even when he did react, he showed exemplary behavior by exercising self-restraint.
#38 by kickbutt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 8:55 pm
“Now, if the OCPD had not acted the way he did (i.e going after the mike), I guess the DAP would have nothing to “capitaliseâ€. Limkamput
You are saying in other words that YB Kit sought to capitalize on the incident. You have also earlier said that there is nothing wrong in wanting to politicize the incident. I think you should show some respect to YB Kit and the DAP.
The police officer was not smart in acting the way he did i.e. trying to take away the mike from her. He could easily have cut off power to the microphone and confiscate the equipment since it was after all an illegal assembly.
Also this kind of situation would not arise if police permits are routinely issued during elections. DAP supporters (the genuine ones, of course, and not someone who is an impostor ) already know that the police is used by the BN led government as a tool to disrupt lawful though illegal assemblies. We do not need convincing. We certainly do not need to have our intelligence insulted either – especially by an impostor!
#39 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 9:34 pm
Ladygorilla, Why running to administrator? You think he/she will be listening to a coward like you? Look, now it is ladygorilla. May I know when is papi dog, kickyourbutt, darkhorse, colonel or blackeye coming back here to thrash me again? You have to face reality, you are a coward and you are simply not good enough.
The last time I took a voluntary leave from the blog. The administrator or Sdr Lim did not ask me to. I thought by going off for a while, the situation will cool down. However, to moron like you, you think that was a sign of weakness. I think by now most bloggers here know that I did not start the quarrel. I merely retaliate and the reason why I do that is because that is the only language you understand. Why run to the administrator now? Be man enough to continue to irritate me and you shall see what will happen to you. I give you my word. The moment you stop insulting me (with regard to my contribution to DAP’s fund), ridiculing me (of my education background), accusing me for being a fraud, and doubting my racial origin as you do now, I will give you minimal decency you deserve. I think you don’t know who you are up against.
Now coming back to substantive issue.
The issue is not how the OCPD reached for the mike. You either never read what I said or your poor command of English does not enable you to understand.
Then you said on hinge-sight it is easy to say that the OCPD should have done this or not to do that which you referred to “as after the factâ€. Look, that police office is an OCDP. He is not a constable. If an OCPD does not how to exercise discretion or can’t feel the tempo of a situation then he should be constable and not OCPD. Now, if indeed there are OCPDs who can’t think and act maturely, it is also the fault of the present system which continues to appoint and promote incompetence people at all levels of government.
You said and I quote, “It is more like the police doing the right thing in the wrong way!†How can the police be doing the right thing when the police does not how to exercise flexibility and discretion (just to make sure your moronic brain does go elsewhere, right thing does not mean legal, ok, wannabe).
I don’t ramble on like you; I am usually quite clear with what I want to say. And I don’t tell long grandmother stories like some of you. Sometimes I may use strong or figurative words. That was because I was impatient with some of the views expressed. Election is so near and I don’t want other readers to be wrongly influenced by intellectual cocks. Those who are sensitive and think that whatever they write is invincible shouldn’t be here. I am being harassed all the time, but I still come here because I feel that I have a role to play.
For one let me ask from you one more time. Touch our heart and be honest, just use one ID and let our thinking capability do the talking. Be a gentleman.
#40 by kickbutt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 9:49 pm
“Then you said on hinge-sight it is easy to say that …” limkamput
“On hinge-sight”??? LOL
#41 by kickbutt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 9:53 pm
What do you expect this impostor doesn’t know the difference between “trash” and “thrash” either. LOL
#42 by kickbutt on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 9:57 pm
“…I feel that I have a role to play.” limkamput
And what role is that?? Trashing the blog is one of them?
#43 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:08 pm
Kickyourbutt, You are a typical moron. First, I can say things on my own behalf. Sdr Lim is too experienced and too smart for anybody to speak on his behalf. See, the thinking process again, very very char lah. Yes, to me there is nothing wrong to politicize if that is the game the police (and probably with tacit support from BN) want to play. Again I am speaking on my own behalf. By the way, are you here speaking on anybody behalf? PDRM or BN perhaps?
See, to wannabe like you, every damn thing is legal and illegal. I guess it is useless to discuss further because you are in love with your own views and opinions like Jeffrey. We are not talking about law or legality here. If by now you still don’t get it, then surely it is beyond all doubts that you are an oxy-moron.
Have I not also stated earlier that DAP would certainly (to my mind) try to comply with all the permit and legal requirement before holding a ceramah. But I have also mentioned that there are situations that are unforeseen or unpredictable where gathering are held without permit. Given the impending general election and for the sake of fair play and equity (you know how the oppositions are deprived), the police should exercise discretion and allow some leeway if only they are completely neutral and professional.
Instead of being professional, if the police chose to be used by BN, then as I said earlier, be prepared to face the consequence and the adverse publicity because DAP, I believe, can also play along. I think this is the only language police understand, just like you. You think I should talk nicely to you? I am not trying to insult you too much; frankly I think your thinking process is not there. I think the education system you went through was not vigorous enough.
#44 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:10 pm
see, when you have nothing left, you resort to petty insult which is so akin to BN.
#45 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:13 pm
for those who bash limkamput , i believe that you are from another planet. like chew mei fang of bn that was surprised that nep is still around. !!!!!!!!
in the arena , where the fighting ground is not level .where some one big is taking on some one small, please forget about the rules.
i remember the murdered case of canny ong ( with deepest apology ) where it was reported that she tried to talk SENSE to her kidnapper and how much opportunities she had to escape, but finally raped and murdered.
the same scenerio here , in a warzone, where it is do or die , please leave your jacket n ties at home. in parellel, where the opposition is not given equal and fair treatment , is enough to fight poison with poison ( e tuk kun tuk ) cantonese saying.
#46 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:13 pm
from now on i will be looking out for your silly mistakes, watch me. so you better read five times before you post your poor quality writing.
#47 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 10:15 pm
Adam thank you. i am fighting with this pervert here.
#48 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:15 pm
No, limkamput!
I think he is just helping you with your English.
#49 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:17 pm
His methods may be questionable.
#50 by limkamput on Thursday, 6 March 2008 - 11:33 pm
Well, in haste, we all made mistakes. The great QC also made silly mistakes, did anybody correct him? By the way, my thrash is not necessary his trash, ok. Talking about the finer nuances of English. In attap school, we learn English the proper way.