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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-82376</link>
		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Evenmind,

Yes. A demolition is a demolition. But why it was demolished then? Why HIndraf is silent here? Did not Hindraf tell the Indians that the temple was in a private land? Did not Hindraf tell the Indians that a surau was also demolished.

I told my Indians friends about the demolition of a surau. They stared at me. We did not know this, they said. Suddenly the anger abated. So, Evenmind, I already told you about a surau being demolished. You can see the reaction. That because fortunately none in Malay community stood that low in inciting the feeling.  

And Mr Loh, do remember that If UMNO could not care less about Indians, no Indian would have become State Assemblymen or Member of Parliaments. Sound petty. Go and visit other countries and you will see that race does play a big role. Let us get real here. 

As for ISA, it is useful to detain those who hide behind so called frredom of speech in order to flame racial feeling.  

As for facts, I can supply facts about percentage of Indian community in all constituents in Malaysia. Let us imagine  how Indian politicians going to fare without the help of UMNO that you really hate so much or the Malay community.

Let us imagine the fate of these politicians. Let us imagine the the voiceless Indians when they realize there is no Indian in Parliament. Me Evenmind tal as if UMNO is useless at all with no good deed done.

As for Mr Chen Onn Soo, that is how Malays perceived Hindraf. Hindraf told the world that its enemy is UMNO. And the Malays took it that Hindraf is the threat to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Evenmind,</p>
<p>Yes. A demolition is a demolition. But why it was demolished then? Why HIndraf is silent here? Did not Hindraf tell the Indians that the temple was in a private land? Did not Hindraf tell the Indians that a surau was also demolished.</p>
<p>I told my Indians friends about the demolition of a surau. They stared at me. We did not know this, they said. Suddenly the anger abated. So, Evenmind, I already told you about a surau being demolished. You can see the reaction. That because fortunately none in Malay community stood that low in inciting the feeling.  </p>
<p>And Mr Loh, do remember that If UMNO could not care less about Indians, no Indian would have become State Assemblymen or Member of Parliaments. Sound petty. Go and visit other countries and you will see that race does play a big role. Let us get real here. </p>
<p>As for ISA, it is useful to detain those who hide behind so called frredom of speech in order to flame racial feeling.  </p>
<p>As for facts, I can supply facts about percentage of Indian community in all constituents in Malaysia. Let us imagine  how Indian politicians going to fare without the help of UMNO that you really hate so much or the Malay community.</p>
<p>Let us imagine the fate of these politicians. Let us imagine the the voiceless Indians when they realize there is no Indian in Parliament. Me Evenmind tal as if UMNO is useless at all with no good deed done.</p>
<p>As for Mr Chen Onn Soo, that is how Malays perceived Hindraf. Hindraf told the world that its enemy is UMNO. And the Malays took it that Hindraf is the threat to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-82231</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///Perhaps, once a while you should advise Hindraf leaders to do some soul searching. Why not rectify weaknesses in the community. I mean no disrespect to Indians, but surely not everything is the fault of Govt.///-- Shamsul Anuar

Yes, they cannot blame it on the government that they were born Indians. Had they been born Malays, their welfare would have been taken care of by government, and some would be made millionaires. 

Yes, Hindraf leaaders should do soul searching why had they waited until now to act. They should have acted earlier. Having said that, I think it is better late than never. 

They should have qualified the statement in saying that the government undertake non-violence form of ethnic cleansing. In fact without qualifying it everybody knows exactly what â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™ meant. PM AAB though a graduate of Malay studies from University of Malaya, he graduated in early 1960s. It was true that Malays were given concession for admittance to MU in pre-1969 days when they met the minimum entry requirements, they graduated with proper passing grade. His command of the English language should have exceeded the old GCE level, and so he would  have understood exactly what Hindraf meant by â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™  .But because PM AAB could not refute the facts cited by Hindraf leaders, he chose to split hair on the use of words. It is true that ethnic cleansing had also been used to describe the violence form of actions the same words carry other meaning as well. PM AAB chose to attribute the word cleansing to a particular type of actions which did not happen in the country, and accused Hindraf of lying, but he refused to admit another form of â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™ currently taking place in country. Of course when PM AAB said a deer is a horse, that would be a horse. He is all powerful, and he can get the Hindraf leaders under ISA for citing facts on what happen in the country.

Internal Security Act is used against people who only described what happen in the country. The delegates at the UMNO general assembly who openly threatened to cause a repeat of May 13 met with applause as if that was UMNO policy. UMNO should have been charged under ISA, and the party outlawed for going against the law. But UMNO said that they should have acted against Hindraf 5 earlier, when there were no threat to national security even at the time of their arrest. UMNO regretted that they had not utilised the law against innocent persons with impunity, and that demonstrated  how AAB government conducted selective persecution. 

If the Indian community had not been marginalised by UMNO government, they can very well live with whatever perceived weakness, as claimed. Despite the weakness, the Indian community had to bear the burden so that the community that had been officially declared as weak, and needed crutches, would received the assistances. In the name of assisting the weak, the powerful UMNO politicians get the lion share of government funds, give peanuts to ordinary Malays, and made non-Malays  subsidize Malays and in the process make non-Malays permanent enemies of Malays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///Perhaps, once a while you should advise Hindraf leaders to do some soul searching. Why not rectify weaknesses in the community. I mean no disrespect to Indians, but surely not everything is the fault of Govt.///&#8211; Shamsul Anuar</p>
<p>Yes, they cannot blame it on the government that they were born Indians. Had they been born Malays, their welfare would have been taken care of by government, and some would be made millionaires. </p>
<p>Yes, Hindraf leaaders should do soul searching why had they waited until now to act. They should have acted earlier. Having said that, I think it is better late than never. </p>
<p>They should have qualified the statement in saying that the government undertake non-violence form of ethnic cleansing. In fact without qualifying it everybody knows exactly what â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™ meant. PM AAB though a graduate of Malay studies from University of Malaya, he graduated in early 1960s. It was true that Malays were given concession for admittance to MU in pre-1969 days when they met the minimum entry requirements, they graduated with proper passing grade. His command of the English language should have exceeded the old GCE level, and so he would  have understood exactly what Hindraf meant by â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™  .But because PM AAB could not refute the facts cited by Hindraf leaders, he chose to split hair on the use of words. It is true that ethnic cleansing had also been used to describe the violence form of actions the same words carry other meaning as well. PM AAB chose to attribute the word cleansing to a particular type of actions which did not happen in the country, and accused Hindraf of lying, but he refused to admit another form of â€˜ethnic cleansingâ€™ currently taking place in country. Of course when PM AAB said a deer is a horse, that would be a horse. He is all powerful, and he can get the Hindraf leaders under ISA for citing facts on what happen in the country.</p>
<p>Internal Security Act is used against people who only described what happen in the country. The delegates at the UMNO general assembly who openly threatened to cause a repeat of May 13 met with applause as if that was UMNO policy. UMNO should have been charged under ISA, and the party outlawed for going against the law. But UMNO said that they should have acted against Hindraf 5 earlier, when there were no threat to national security even at the time of their arrest. UMNO regretted that they had not utilised the law against innocent persons with impunity, and that demonstrated  how AAB government conducted selective persecution. </p>
<p>If the Indian community had not been marginalised by UMNO government, they can very well live with whatever perceived weakness, as claimed. Despite the weakness, the Indian community had to bear the burden so that the community that had been officially declared as weak, and needed crutches, would received the assistances. In the name of assisting the weak, the powerful UMNO politicians get the lion share of government funds, give peanuts to ordinary Malays, and made non-Malays  subsidize Malays and in the process make non-Malays permanent enemies of Malays.</p>
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		<title>By: Evenmind</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-82103</link>
		<dc:creator>Evenmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul, so now you have understood the meaning of etnic cleansing,  and now its about the demolition of the temples i don't give two hoods if demolition is carried b4 deepavali , on deepavali or after deepavali , a demolition is a demolition , 
      Just imagine if there was a mosque was demolished in M'sia, there wud be mayhem , incited probably by Najib or Kerismuddin or by the majority of the MORONS in UMNO, the moral of the story is its OK in M'sia to disrespect  the non muslims , so its OK to demolish their temples and insult them , this is UMNO., not the majority of Malays , i'm talking about. By the way, who is stoping the adminstration to build more mosques and suraus, they can build them by thousands , i don't mind, as though they have to ask permission.
     You agree there is corruption , and to paint the whole adminstration is corrupt is wrong , well for your education just go and check where Malaysia stand in the world corruption index, that would give you an idea where this adminstration stand , then again you might tell me they know not what they are talking about, such is your character, I research the facts thoroughly , unlike you., who just go blabbering , and jabbing without facts , I don't blame you becos you are the product of NEP  ,not meritocracy , pls get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul, so now you have understood the meaning of etnic cleansing,  and now its about the demolition of the temples i don&#8217;t give two hoods if demolition is carried b4 deepavali , on deepavali or after deepavali , a demolition is a demolition ,<br />
      Just imagine if there was a mosque was demolished in M&#8217;sia, there wud be mayhem , incited probably by Najib or Kerismuddin or by the majority of the MORONS in UMNO, the moral of the story is its OK in M&#8217;sia to disrespect  the non muslims , so its OK to demolish their temples and insult them , this is UMNO., not the majority of Malays , i&#8217;m talking about. By the way, who is stoping the adminstration to build more mosques and suraus, they can build them by thousands , i don&#8217;t mind, as though they have to ask permission.<br />
     You agree there is corruption , and to paint the whole adminstration is corrupt is wrong , well for your education just go and check where Malaysia stand in the world corruption index, that would give you an idea where this adminstration stand , then again you might tell me they know not what they are talking about, such is your character, I research the facts thoroughly , unlike you., who just go blabbering , and jabbing without facts , I don&#8217;t blame you becos you are the product of NEP  ,not meritocracy , pls get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: cheng on soo</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-82051</link>
		<dc:creator>cheng on soo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, 
If one say that his enemy is UMNO, surely NOT EQUAL to declare war on Malay or anti Malay lah! 
How can anyone misinterprete this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
If one say that his enemy is UMNO, surely NOT EQUAL to declare war on Malay or anti Malay lah!<br />
How can anyone misinterprete this?</p>
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		<title>By: shamshul anuar</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-81911</link>
		<dc:creator>shamshul anuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Evenmind,

They say a man who loses his wealth loses nothing but a man who loses his character loses everything.

But of course, judging from coarse language that is your forte, it seems I cant expect much from you. Hmmn.. Let me make it simple for you. Hindraf lied about the demolition of a temple. It did not tell the truth about the issue. Why? It purposely wants to stir the feeling of Indians vs the govt( and Malays, UMNO).

Perhaps, once a while you should advise Hindraf leaders to do some soul searching. Why not rectify weaknesses in the community. I mean no disrespect to Indians, but surely not everything is the fault of Govt.

As for poverty, there are also poverty in other races. But they do not accused the govt of marginalizing them. If that is the rationale, Malays have more grudging as compared to Indians.

And in they are marginalized, why the numbers of temples in Selangor itself is more than the mosques in the state. 

And yes. There are corruption. But painting the whole administration as corrupted is mind boggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Evenmind,</p>
<p>They say a man who loses his wealth loses nothing but a man who loses his character loses everything.</p>
<p>But of course, judging from coarse language that is your forte, it seems I cant expect much from you. Hmmn.. Let me make it simple for you. Hindraf lied about the demolition of a temple. It did not tell the truth about the issue. Why? It purposely wants to stir the feeling of Indians vs the govt( and Malays, UMNO).</p>
<p>Perhaps, once a while you should advise Hindraf leaders to do some soul searching. Why not rectify weaknesses in the community. I mean no disrespect to Indians, but surely not everything is the fault of Govt.</p>
<p>As for poverty, there are also poverty in other races. But they do not accused the govt of marginalizing them. If that is the rationale, Malays have more grudging as compared to Indians.</p>
<p>And in they are marginalized, why the numbers of temples in Selangor itself is more than the mosques in the state. </p>
<p>And yes. There are corruption. But painting the whole administration as corrupted is mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Evenmind</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-81823</link>
		<dc:creator>Evenmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul , you do not seem to understand English, you must be one who ' benifitted ' by NEP ., understand the meaning first b4 making comments . I've taken the trouble of posting  the thorough meaning of "etnic cleansing ' becos the morons in ihe Govt are as imbercile as you are , and the Malays are following suit, 
        For God sake .  ,   what Hindraf meant by that statement was that they have been marginalized all this while and thier community is dire need of help , crime rate , poverty ,and other socio-economic need to be addressed and so on, 
        Do your Maths ( if u good at it ) the indians comprises one of the least percentage of minority groups in Malaysia, but they form the majority of convicts today in lockups and jails in Malaysia, I do not even know why i am arguing with an imbercile like you.      

       From now on you can write anything here, it will sound utterly of no significance to me.  I've many Malay buddies who kn ow how corrupted the present govt. is , and know race base politics is just a ruse for the ones in power to amass lots more wealth for themselves  Have a damn good day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul , you do not seem to understand English, you must be one who &#8216; benifitted &#8216; by NEP ., understand the meaning first b4 making comments . I&#8217;ve taken the trouble of posting  the thorough meaning of &#8220;etnic cleansing &#8216; becos the morons in ihe Govt are as imbercile as you are , and the Malays are following suit,<br />
        For God sake .  ,   what Hindraf meant by that statement was that they have been marginalized all this while and thier community is dire need of help , crime rate , poverty ,and other socio-economic need to be addressed and so on,<br />
        Do your Maths ( if u good at it ) the indians comprises one of the least percentage of minority groups in Malaysia, but they form the majority of convicts today in lockups and jails in Malaysia, I do not even know why i am arguing with an imbercile like you.      </p>
<p>       From now on you can write anything here, it will sound utterly of no significance to me.  I&#8217;ve many Malay buddies who kn ow how corrupted the present govt. is , and know race base politics is just a ruse for the ones in power to amass lots more wealth for themselves  Have a damn good day</p>
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		<title>By: bumi2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-81765</link>
		<dc:creator>bumi2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Uncle Kit,

Please tell me what is wrong with my comments that you are not posting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Uncle Kit,</p>
<p>Please tell me what is wrong with my comments that you are not posting them.</p>
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		<title>By: bumi2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-81764</link>
		<dc:creator>bumi2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul,

Why arent you able to understand? Evenmind has repreated explained the meaning of etnic clensing to you and  yet you repreatedly dont seem to understand its meaning. Has the education in Malaysia come to this level under the administration of the present government? 

I suggest that you read the explaination again and then attempt to open your mouth/comment . I am getting tired of your repeated comments, like a spoilt record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul,</p>
<p>Why arent you able to understand? Evenmind has repreated explained the meaning of etnic clensing to you and  yet you repreatedly dont seem to understand its meaning. Has the education in Malaysia come to this level under the administration of the present government? </p>
<p>I suggest that you read the explaination again and then attempt to open your mouth/comment . I am getting tired of your repeated comments, like a spoilt record.</p>
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		<title>By: bumi2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/24/1048/#comment-81761</link>
		<dc:creator>bumi2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamsul,

You in tak faham keh? Sudah berapa kali Evenmind menerangkan makna etnic cleansing. Lagi lagi tak faham. Beginikah pendidikan di malaysia di bawah Barisan?

Baca lagi apa itu makna etnic cleansing. Lepas itu baru buka muka/buat komen. Memalukan sahaja.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamsul,</p>
<p>You in tak faham keh? Sudah berapa kali Evenmind menerangkan makna etnic cleansing. Lagi lagi tak faham. Beginikah pendidikan di malaysia di bawah Barisan?</p>
<p>Baca lagi apa itu makna etnic cleansing. Lepas itu baru buka muka/buat komen. Memalukan sahaja.</p>
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