CNY message – “Mother” of all ang pows to nation and future generations


This is my 42nd year in politics and the tenth and probably last general election which I will be contesting when Parliament is dissolved some time this month.

I have only one wish for the Year of the Rat – let Malaysian Chinese and all Malaysians give the biggest ang pow of all – the “mother” of all ang pows – to the nation and future generations by voting for change in the 12th general election so that Malaysians can stand united and tall to face the challenges of globalization.

Let us make the 2008 Chinese New Year the most significant of all Chinese New Years in the country particularly as it coincides with the nation’s 50th Merdeka anniversary to mark a political coming-of-age with a political will and commitment by Malaysian Chinese together with all Malaysians to usher in real change after 50 years of failure to fulfill the great potentials of Malaysian nationhood.

Let all Malaysian Chinese and Malaysians ponder long and hard what were the factors which had held back Malaysia in the past five decades from being a world-class nation whether in terms of parliamentary democracy, rule of law, educational excellence, international competitiveness, efficient and incorruptible public service, low crime, quality of life – allowing other countries like Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea to overtake us and presently in peril of being left behind by others like Thailand, Vietnam and even Indonesia.

The Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister are very confident that the Barisan Nasional will be returned as the government in the 12th general election. They are right. But if they can be proven wrong in being assured that the Barisan Nasional could be returned with a parliamentary two-thirds majority, then Malaysia is set for far-reaching changes which can release hitherto untapped energies and forces which had kept Malaysia mediocre in the league of nations.

Denial of two-thirds parliamentary majority to the Barisan Nasional in the next general election is not going to be easy – as it must ensure that Barisan Nasional is defeated in at least 75 out of 222 parliamentary seats.

Neither the Prime Minister nor the Deputy Prime Minister can make any convincing case that in losing 75 parliamentary seats and deprived of parliamentary two-thirds majority, the Barisan Nasional would not have sufficient majority to govern – as Barisan Nasional would still have 147 parliamentary seats enjoying a substantial majority of 72 seats which would be the envy of all governments in first-world developed democracies.

The 2008 Chinese New Year will be the most memorable of 50 years of Chinese New Year since Merdeka as well as all 50th Merdeka anniversary celebrations if on this occasion, the Malaysian Chinese together with all Malaysians resolve that the denial of two-thirds parliamentary majority to the ruling coalition in the next general election is the first step to the goal of “excellence, glory and distinction” for Malaysia.

This will indeed be the biggest ang pow that Malaysian Chinese and all Malaysians can give to the nation and future generations to commemorate 50th Merdeka anniversary!

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  1. #1 by limkamput on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 2:53 pm

    Morgan Lovell,
    As for petrol, again you miss the point. A litre of petrol in Australia is A$1.20 (November/December 2007) while in Malaysia is RM1.92. If you convert based on official exchange rates surely you will say the price of petrol in Malaysia is dirt cheap. But you forget, in Australia, the starting pay for a graduate is A$30k, while in Malaysia you are lucky if you get RM24K a year. So let me ask you who is having higher cost of living. Please don’t talk about food being cheaper in Malaysia. Yes in Malaysia, you can get a plate of mixed rice for RM3.50 while in the US it may cost you US$5.00. But you forget again, the saving you get from buying a cheaper car in US is enough for you to buy your mixed rice for the rest of your life.

  2. #2 by limkamput on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 2:54 pm

    Morgan Lovell,
    How you do know GLCs are transforming for the better? What evidence have you got? Do you know how much the government are providing grants and assistance, including loan guarantees to some of these GLCs. If you know nothing much, I think it is better for you to say less.

  3. #3 by limkamput on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 2:56 pm

    Morgan Lovell,
    Yes, Malaysia is part of Global economy and people should accept a more market based and market driven economy. But are we having this? Almost every damn thing in this country is controlled and regulated from flour, rice, sugar, to cars, steel and cement. The more the government control, the more distorted the prices, the more corruption would take place and the more rent seeking activities would emerge. Have you ever wonder why the airport taxi fare from KLIA is so bloody expensive. Do you know who is having the monopoly of this service and in the process sucking both the taxi drivers and passengers dry?

  4. #4 by limkamput on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 2:58 pm

    Morgan Lovell,
    Yes, I agree that oil revenue should be better used to build up income generating assets like what Tamasek is doing? But if you care to look at the government spending, you would know where the bulk of it goes? Yes, transfer to statutory bodies, government “god know” companies, building fountains, flower pots in the middle of roads, and other landscaping activities which has nothing much to do with building capacity and investment to ensure that future GDP of the country will grow faster. Since the government is wasting lots of money anyway, what is wrong we the people ask that part of oil revenue be used to subsidise the price of petrol. After all, please think about it, petrol subsidy is one of the few goodies that we the rakyat can get without having to suck up to somebody in the Government. If you want the government to withdraw subsidies, then let’s do it across the board including freeing the CPI and allow greater flexibility in wage determination.

    No the opposition is not trying to create an utopian as alluded to by you. You got it all wrong. What the opposition want is this: they want the money from the national coffer spent more efficiently and effectively to build GDP generating infrastructure and the capacity to compete, not enriching a few through giving out contracts building good for nothing landscaping “pondok”, water feature, cement tables and chairs at the park which six months later the lalang and mosquitoes will be taking over.

  5. #5 by limkamput on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 3:00 pm

    Morgan Lovell,
    To me Oboma’s task in the USA is much simpler and easier than the opposition in Malaysia. You got it all wrong again. If you want to talk about the challenges and the tasks confronting the oppositions in Malaysia, you have to compare them with Nelson Mandela of South Africa during apartheid or Martin Luther King in American in the 60s and 70s. Please look at everything in context and perspective.

    I think i am tired already. I have not even talked about crime, but then what is there to talk when it is there for everyone to see, unless one is blind.

  6. #6 by Morgan Lovell on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 8:28 pm

    Mr. limkamput,

    1. Please check petrol price (Current) in Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, China, India and not just Australia. Also, I’m unfortunate to not been able to travel to Australia like you do, so won’t know what’s going on there.

    2. No, I’m not bragging about the number of countries that I’d travel as that was obviously not the point, if you had interpreted it from that direction, then I would like to appologize for misleading you to think so.

    3. Regardless of Mahathir’s reputation, he seems to be the only PM that most foreigners remembered, coincident?

    4. Regarding the starting pay of Australia, could you please minus income tax, state tax, community tax and their EPF similar fund deduction and let me know what is their NETT pay? What about the starting pay of a fresh grad in Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, China and India? Are all those countries having a starting pay as High as Australia? Since McD is available in all those countries, do you know how much is a McD value meal cost you in all those countries?

    5. Cars aren’t that expensive in Msia if you don’t aim on luxurious brand (of course, by promoting the 2 P, government had been supressing the people’s right for a better car all these years). One should buy car based on his own financial capacity. Why don’t you compare the Housing Price Index within the Capital vacinity of all those countries that you are familiar against Klang Valley area prices? Of course, in my original posting, I’d stated quite clearly that almost all foreigner commented that Msia cars are expensive, yet you are talking here as if I’m claiming otherwise, thus making me in a state of confusion.

    6. As for GLC been more efficient, try using 1 of their services against other service provider of similar developing countries. You think they aren’t performing better? Check out their share price, P/L statement, P/E Ratio, EPS against Bursa latest update. You think you know the world of business well enough? Had you did any business in countries such as Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, India, China and not just your precious Australia? Oh yes, then you would argue that we can’t compare ourself with countries such as India, Phillipines, Indonesia because we are ‘better’ than them. Is that really so?

    7. Regardless of countries of having high Per Capita or low Per Capita, do you think that petrol price in each of these countries would be different if the government had not subsidize it? Do you think that the petrol price there could be constant throughout the year if the government had not make neccessary effort to control and subsidize it?

    8. On the contrary to your statement and claim, I think that it’s the government’s controlled pricing mechanism that is actually reducing the cost of living in Malaysia. Did I hear someone saying about Steel, Sugar, floor, cement, etc? Also, how much is the current KLIA Taxi fare now? What about the fare price structure of local taxi rather than KLIA taxi?

    9. I’d never illustrated Obama’s task was relatively easier or more difficult. My point is that until there is 2 similar powerful political force present like in Obama’s case, then we would have the political platform readily available for the people to make a ‘Change’.

    10. I would really appreciate if you could be less personal in your arguement and act as if you know everything and that all other people out there are just simply dumb or plain idiot that can’t match your knowledge, experience, and expertise during an intellectual communication. At least that’s what your tone in all your message projects. Personally, I’d rejected 3 promotion opportunities to be based in developed countries and returning back to Malaysia to pay Msia taxes and contribute to my home country, what about you? Where are you currently residing?

  7. #7 by BlackEye on Saturday, 9 February 2008 - 9:58 pm

    “I would really appreciate if you could be less personal in your argument and act as if you know everything and that all other people out there are just simply dumb or plain idiot that can’t match your knowledge, experience, and expertise during an intellectual communication.” Morgan

    Forget it! Many posters here have been trying to knock some sense into this braggart for centuries to no avail. “You ain’t seen anything yet” as they say.

    But then perhaps after reading this statement he may take a step back and be all polite and soft in the knees etc but not for very long. He’ll shower some praises on some commentators just to show that he’s not what you say he is. But it’ll not last. He’ll launch into his usual tirade.

    No one can hope to indulge in any intelligent discourse with this fella for long without him insulting you for your ‘low’ intelligence etc. He has done a lot of disservice to this blog.

  8. #8 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 1:31 am

    MORGON LOVELL
    Please be consistent here Morgan. I thought you so eloquently wanting to compare with the more developed countries like Holland, Germany, etc and suddenly you want me to look at Indonesia, Philippines, etc. As I said, I am not interested in comparing with different countries because you can always pick whatever that favour your arguments. I am interested in comparing vis-à-vis what the country is capable of doing.

    Those examples I mentioned in my earlier response to you were just counter arguments to illustrate the point that if you want to compare Malaysia is better, I can also compare Malaysia is worse.

    I mentioned car prices just to show that it is useless to compare because while some countries may be worse off in some aspects, the car prices alone would negate lots of advantages Malaysia has.

    Yes I forgot to mention about taxes, but in my previous posting (not in this thread) I did mentioned that (this is just to show that I am honest with my argument). But then I can also say that citizens in some countries that pay higher taxes also get more services and benefits from the Government. Since you mentioned about rejecting three promotions to work in more advanced countries, let me just tell you that in the US, if you have school going children, they do provide free bus transportation, quality textbooks, and state of the art computer facilities in school. I am only referring to a state in American that I previously resided (where my children have gone to school there) so I may not be able to generalise to other states.

    For someone to state that he has rejected to work in three developed countries does not sound very humble to me too. So don’t come to talk to me about humility. I may be an odd person here, but so far I have not boast as to what I do and where I have served before. Suffice for me to say that I am no less equal to you.

    With regard to price control and regulation, what I was saying is perhaps the government has to ensure better competition instead of trying to intervene into the economy too much. If competition is sufficient robust, prices will generally take care of themselves. By saying that I am certainly aware that there are instances where government intervention is required due to “market failure”.

    With regard to GLCs, it is a fact that the Government has been using tax payers’ money to heavily support some of these corporations. I would not say it in specific terms no matter how you challenge me and even if you called me bs. It is ok with me. You quoted better stock prices etc of GLCs. I can also say that the recent performance was also due to overall stock market performance. Compare with private companies, the prices of GLCs are nothing to shout about. May be I will just quote you the plantation sector. You may want to compare the price performance of IOI and KLK with SimeDarby (previously Kumpulan Guthrie, Golden Hope, etc).

    If I am labelled personal in my argument, so be it. It is my style and I am not here to exchange pleasantries. Perhaps you should also read your earlier posting. The impression I got was whatever views presented here by others are outlandish and that you have best qualifications and experience to state your views. So the feeling is mutual.

    May be I want to mention one more point. Each time when corruption and rent seeking issues are being highlighted, the reactionary forces are simply too big because the money and vested interest groups involved are overwhelming. They can have paid consultants just to take care of issues like this in any forum. I am speaking from experience but I am not implying that you are probably one of them.

    Finally, just like the way you argued. I did not say that you are not contributing and paying taxes to this country. Please also consider that others may have also done the same.

    You may want to put up a rejoinder but this is my final response to you. I see no further arguments will serve our purpose. I would prefer to let others read and form their own opinions. But if you have darkhorse, blackeye, Dracula, and colonel supporting you, it is also understandable to me and probably to many others as well. Please don’t come back to say that many are against me. They are actually one person in different handles. Besides, in any debate, let the truth prevails, it does not matter how many are against me.

  9. #9 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 2:26 am

    Don’t take it too hard, Morgan Lovell. You’re not the first he had addressed in this way. He literally ran out a Ph.D student studying at Cambridge University, deriding him for his views, even questioning the status of Cambridge University as deserving of being among the best in the world, and calling contributions made by our resident contributor, Jeffrey, as “hollowed sophistication”.

    Seriously speaking, I think he has issues if you know what I mean.

  10. #10 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 2:31 am

    “Besides, in any debate, let the truth prevails, it does not matter how many are against me.” limkamput

    The great limkamput has spoken!

    And the truth is, of course, everybody else is “just simply dumb or plain idiot that can’t match your knowledge, experience, and expertise during an intellectual communication” to use Morgan Lovell’s words.

  11. #11 by BlackEye on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 3:59 am

    Helloooo! Limkamput, don’t hide behind mommy’s skirt. Don’t be shy now! C’mon boy!

  12. #12 by Morgan Lovell on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 4:41 am

    Just a few quick note:

    1. I’d mentioned “UK, Holland, Germany, France, India, China, Indonesia, Philippines, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Most of SEA Countries” as my base of information collection, since when did all those countries especially Bangladesh turned into ‘Developed’ country? Seems to me that Mr. Limkamput has a tendency to read between the lines or simply read what his mind wants him to see.

    2. As for car, I still can’t understand how the cost of a car would overweight the cost of a house in one’s life, especially the part about the cost of a car would ‘negate’ lots of advantages. but since you won’t be replying anymore, I hope someone from this forum would be able to enlighten me.

    3. I agree to your competition market theory, an example would be DIGI driving down the cost of Malaysian mobile phone bill. We certainly need more Telenor similar guys here to help us tear down the corporate dominance barrier.

    4. Are you sure you are comparing ‘Sime Darby’? lol I thought it’s Synergy Drive that you are refering to? Nothing to say about MAS, TM, Tenaga?

    5. Humility are used with courtesy against people with similar characteristic. People with attitude are best served with similar response. I’d already appologized to you if my ORIGINAL message had made you think that I was boasting/bragging about the oversea assignments, which is not my original intention, yet you still wish to quote and requote.

    Btw, why are you avoiding the question on where are you residing now? I’m simply curious, for someone that has such ‘in-depth’ understanding of Malaysia ‘current’ event, I certainly hope that you aren’t sitting in the cozy beach of gold coast enjoying your sea breeze while commenting heaps of ‘current’ event with some ‘up-to-date’ information. For someone who can mistake Synergy Drive with Sime Darby, know how to comparing the price of a car but not the price of a house(perhaps someone never owned a house before), can’t provide the tax range of ‘one of the state in US’ in his arguments, it reallys doesn’t make much sense as the ‘great’ Mr. Limkamput.

    Of course, I do acknowledge that I’m not the only one that is paying Malaysia taxes. The reason I’d raised the issue whereby I’d rejected 3 offers to be based in oversea was not to be arrogant or show off. Too many times I’d seen Malaysian with arrogant attitute that went to Australia/US for education for few years, then pretend as if they know everything inside out about their new land of opportunity and decided to shoot all kinds of comments from across the border stating how good is their new land, how bad is Malaysia, how this and how that without even sharing any of those pains that the general public in Malaysia are facing. I certainly hope you are not one of them as it would be pointless to have any intellectual exchange with such people as their ultimate goal is just to Show Off and seek attention rather than to contribute.

    ps: I wasn’t aware that Malaysia is already having state-of-the-art professional forumer to reply and dress-up/cover-up corruption and rent-seeking issues, but since that you had already experienced it before, I take it that this type of consultancy job does exist in Malaysia. Hopefully it’s a lucrative business and some recruiter would eventually comes and recruit me, then I won’t need to work my ass off so hard anymore.. LOL

    ps2: It’s Morgan, not MORGON.

    ps3: I do agree with the great limkamput, Oxford grads aren’t really that great once you get to them more…

    ps4: The more that one pretend to be an expert and talk about something that he/she are not familiar with or some ‘school bus textbook experience’ that aren’t their own, the more mistakes he/she will make and it’s best that such person rest their case as soon as possible before someone blow their cover.

  13. #13 by Colonel on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 5:58 am

    He told us he’s residing in Kg. Attap, Kuala Lumpur a red light district in case you do not know, for the disadvantaged, the marginalized and mentally challenged.

    Obviously he has every reason to be jealous of you. I’d suggest you stop trying to communicate with him on an intellectual level.

  14. #14 by Colonel on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 6:15 am

    “Too many times I’d seen Malaysian with arrogant attitute that went to Australia/US for education for few years, then pretend as if they know everything inside out about their new land of opportunity and decided to shoot all kinds of comments from across the border stating how good is their new land, how bad is Malaysia, how this and how that without even sharing any of those pains that the general public in Malaysia are facing. I certainly hope you are not one of them as it would be pointless to have any intellectual exchange with such people as their ultimate goal is just to Show Off and seek attention rather than to contribute.” Morgan Lovell

    You said it all. Except that he has not gone anywhere.

    He took down a commentator blogging from the U.S. who despite spending many years away from the country he grew up in, and is now U.S. permanent resident but who looks upon Malaysia as a good place to live in and loves his country.

  15. #15 by Colonel on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 6:21 am

    ….and for your information this guy hides behind a misleading handle. He is not what he appears to be.

  16. #16 by kanthanboy on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 9:43 am

    “…If Malaysia is really that bad, I certainly don’t think that we will still received so many ‘compliments’ from people around the world…” Morgan Lovell
    ——————————————
    First of all, the top 10 common comments that you have gathered during your oversea assignments are not ‘compliments’. How can you consider comments such as: Truly Asian, a lot of natural place to visit; a lot of greenery; no tsunami, no earth quake, no volcano; taxi or rent a car is the best mode of transport; heaven for DVD and car is really expensive as compliments? These are common information you will normally find on a tourist leaflet.

    Dear Morgan Lovell,

    If a foreigner asked you the following questions about Malaysia, what would your answers be?
    1. Is corruption a serious problem in Malaysia?
    2. Do all citizens have equal opportunity for university education?
    3. Do all citizens have equal opportunity for employment in public services?
    4. Houses are relatively cheap but do all Malaysians pay the same price for houses?
    5. Does your country have an independent judicial system?
    6. Do the mainstream media report fairly without fear or favor?
    7. Does your government practice racism in implementing policies?
    8. Do you have freedom of worship and every religion is free to build places of worship, print and distribute religious materials?
    9. Does your government treat every community equally in development of public funded projects?
    10. Does Malaysia have a fair and transparent election commission to oversee general election?
    11. Do you have a professional and independent police force?
    12. Do you have an honest government?
    I hope you will answer these questions from the bottom of your heart.

  17. #17 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 11:48 am

    Thank you, kanthanboy.

  18. #18 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 11:56 am

    It was sime darby, then advanced synergy, and now is sime darby again. I respond to this one because it is a factual stuff so that when you tell foreigners how great Malaysian is please tell them the correct name otherwise they may invest wrongly into a counter like transmile or megan media. That is all. The rest are perceptions and opinions and I think no amount of arguments can resolve them. Let others readers judge.

  19. #19 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 12:36 pm

    Don’t act smart with me, Morgan. Yes, the price of decent houses in Malaysia is exorbitant when viewed vis-à-vis per capita income of Malaysians. That is why we have housing loan repayment that is 25 years or more or even extended to two generations. In fact, the moment we have all these, it indicates either that the price of house is too high or the income is too low. I am sorry I am not supposed to argue further, but I cannot ”tahan” the ignorance and the self indulged importance of some individuals here who probably earn a 100k a year, own a house in the suburb and think they have the world under their feet. I need not tell you where i reside because it is none of your business and it has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. But if think i am lying about my US experience, then I too can say that you are bs-ing. Don’t keep pushing for the marginal tax rates in other countries, ok. As i said, it is pointless to compare, they have unemployment benefits, does Malaysia have?

  20. #20 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 12:43 pm

    …and for you Colonel, please just keep ensuring that your old mini and two flat tyres are still under the skirt. That is sufficient for you now.

  21. #21 by Morgan Lovell on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 1:17 pm

    Did some quick research and yea, you are right, it was Sime Darby again now, but it was not ‘Advanced Synergy’ but Synergy Drive. Looks like I’d gotta update my Bursa Knowledge more regularly. Advance Synergy was another company that was long been establish since before 2000 and is still an active counter.

    Type : Announcement
    Subject : SIME DARBY BERHAD

    LISTING OF SIME DARBY BERHAD (COMPANY NO: 752404-U) (FORMERLY KNOWN AS SYNERGY DRIVE BHD) ON THE MAIN BOARD OF BURSA MALAYSIA SECURITIES BERHAD (“BURSA SECURITIES”)

    Dear Kanthanboy,

    Noticed the word ‘compliments’ was in quote? please do find me a tourist leaflet that imprint all those information that you had quoted as I would very much like to own 1 of those as a collectible items.

    1. Had you been to a country where you have to pay ‘tax’ upon entry of the immigration? Absolute Power creates absolute corruption, thus come back to my original point of 2 similar powerful political body competing with each other, then you would have the options for ‘Change’ or at least having a independent Anti Corruption Agency like ICAC, which is of course sadly might not be the case now.

    2. Don’t need to rub salt on people’s wound as I was also 1 of those people who were denied access. However, by quoting Local University, do you include Uniten, Multimedia U, various local colleges which had or will be granted University status etc? At least the PTPTN was opened to public and all of my friends regardless of race or religion during my time got their PTPTN loans approved. So theorically you were been given equal opportunity, just that some opportunity cost more while some opportunity cost less.

    3. Please define your ‘equal opportunity’ as I’m not sure whether you are refering to specific top positions or just merely entry to the public service. Are you a civil service workforce yourself? What about doctors and teachers, are doctors and teachers classified under public service sector?

    4. Nope, but what does foreigner cares? So long as it’s still much cheaper than their own country.

    5. Which court case had you lost before due to non-independent judical system? When you choose to migrate to another country later, would this be your key consideration?

    6. I think you are only refering to “Mainstream Media” in Malaysia. Were you been denied access to ‘alternative’ media that you deem is ‘reporting without fear or favor’ such as CNN, BBC or simply an e-paper across the strait in Singapore reporting on Malaysia current events?

    7. Which policies that you deem is ‘racism’?

    8. Do you go to Church or Temple? Were you denied access to any of those place of worship?

    9. So you are saying that only a certain group of ethic took LRT, KTM, takes up jobs in Cyberjaya?

    10. Again, why does foreigner cares? Are you implying that foreigners should be given ‘fair and equal’ voting rights as well?

    11.Similar response to my 1st answer.

    12.’honest’ is subjective, government is a relative big body, which issue are you targeting?

    ‘Equal’, ‘Fairness’ are both subjective, there is no way to provide Absolute Equal to everyone. The world doesn’t just constitute Malaysia only. Can Malaysia request for ‘absolute equal’ treatment by other countries and ask them to provide ‘equal opportunity’ , ie for every 100 tonnes of electronic components that China Export to US, Malaysia should be given an quota of 50 tonnes?

    There will always be a certain rule of game impose to us regardless of which country we are residing, it is how well we know those rules and play the game that matters. Ultimately, only the fittest survive. You only live your life once, you can choose to hide behind your computer keyboard and whine about all the unfair and unjustice, or you can go out there and make a different to your own life, The choice is entirely yours.

  22. #22 by Morgan Lovell on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 1:31 pm

    You arguement sound like a boy losing a game when you said “But if think i am lying about my US experience, then I too can say that you are bs-ing.”.

    Talking about house price vs per-capita income. What is an average 100 Square metre apartment cost in Shanghai, Beijing or even Shenzhen? What about Jakarta, Bangkok or even Manila? Any of those country Per-capita income is HIGHER than Malaysia?

    As for where you are residing, I’d already stated the reason why I think it matters, you can choose to ignore it as usual.

  23. #23 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 2:02 pm

    Mr. Morgan, Yes I meant SYNERGY DRIVE not advanced synergy, sorry. But I think you know i meant synergy drive. Sometimes we typed or talked differently from what was in our mind. There is no need for you to tell me advanced synergy is a listed company when i can tell you that Synergy drive is now Simedarby.

    I responded the way i did because you doubted me first.

    I have already told you it is very difficult to compare across countries because it will never end. I have counter arguments to your mentioning of Shanghai, Jakarta and Bangkok. But i think it is pointless to prolong because we basically come from very different political beliefs and value systems.

    I shall stop here now. Despite the “heated argument”, i find you challenging. For once we see some discussion on policies and economy which are so different from familiar laws and constitution.

  24. #24 by BlackEye on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 4:10 pm

    Not to worry. A few knocks he’d simmer down. But never for long until the next Morgan Lovell comes around.

  25. #25 by kanthanboy on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 5:12 pm

    Hello Morgan Lovell,

    The reason I posted the 12 questions to you was in response to the comment that you made:
    “…If Malaysia is really that bad, I certainly don’t think that we will still received so many ‘compliments’ from people around the world…” Morgan Lovell

    I am disappointed that you choose to either avoid the questions or answer them with a question of yours. Anyway, I shall response to your answers one by one.

    Question: Is corruption a serious problem in Malaysia?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Had you been to a country where you have to pay ‘tax’ upon entry of the immigration? Absolute Power creates absolute corruption, thus come back to my original point of 2 similar powerful political body competing with each other, then you would have the options for ‘Change’ or at least having a independent Anti Corruption Agency like ICAC, which is of course sadly might not be the case now.]

    Response: The question is very direct and simple. So don’t tell me a story to divert the question. Is corruption a serious problem in Malaysia? Yes or No?
    Question: Do all citizens have equal opportunity for university education?
    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [So theorically you were been given equal opportunity, just that some opportunity cost more while some opportunity cost less.]
    Response: How can it be equal even theoretically as you said when some opportunity cost more while some opportunity cost less? Equal means comparing half pound with 8 ounces. Is it what your mean by theoretically equal by excluding from the equation local universities such as University Malaya, University Sain, University Pertanian, University Technology and other local universities and colleges that are funded by Malaysian tax payers?

    Question: Do all citizens have equal opportunity for employment in public services?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Please define your ‘equal opportunity’ as I’m not sure whether you are refering to specific top positions or just merely entry to the public service. Are you a civil service workforce yourself? What about doctors and teachers, are doctors and teachers classified under public service sector?]

    Response: Again you try to avoid the question by asking for the definition of equal opportunity. To make it simple for you, equal opportunity in this context means there is should be no discrimination based on race. I’m referring to all levels of the government services; it includes all types of jobs in the government service.

    Question: Houses are relatively cheap but do all Malaysians pay the same price for houses?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Nope, but what does foreigner cares? So long as it’s still much cheaper than their own country.]

    Response: Foreigners don’t care because they don’t need to buy houses in Malaysia. Do you care? I can say all right thinking Malaysians care. It is a matter of fairness and simple economic theory. When Bumiputra billionaires receive 15% discount for new houses do you know who pay for the 15%? The developers will just pass the costs to the non Bumiputra buyers.

    Question: Does your country have an independent judicial system?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Which court case had you lost before due to non-independent judicial system? When you choose to migrate to another country later, would this be your key consideration.]

    Response: A good example is the case of former DAP MP for Bukit Bintang who was disqualified as an elected MP. The judge declared the losing BN candidate become the MP automatically without a by election. This case was implicated in the Lingam Tape of judge fixing and case fixing.

    Question: Do the mainstream media report fairly without fear or favor?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [I think you are only refering to “Mainstream Media” in Malaysia. Were you been denied access to ‘alternative’ media that you deem is ‘reporting without fear or favor’ such as CNN, BBC or simply an e-paper across the strait in Singapore reporting on Malaysia current events.]

    Response: Don’t try to avoid the question. CNN, BBC and e-paper are Not the mainstream media of Malaysia. I really don’t believe you are not aware of TV3, RTM, New Straits Time, The Star, The Sun, Nan Yang Siang Pau, Sin Chew, Utusan Malayu, Berita Harian. Do I have to go on?

    Question: Does your government practice racism in implementing policies?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Which policies that you deem is ‘racism’?]

    Response:
    * The NEP (New Economic Policy) is racist.
    * Policy that all Bumiputra are entitled to15% discount for new houses regardless of their income is racist.
    * Policy that non Bumiputra students are not entitled to loan school book if their parent’s income is over RM$1000 whereas all Bumiputra students are entitled to loan school books even if their parents are billionaires. It is racist.

    Question: Do you have freedom of worship and every religion is free to build places of worship, print and distribute religious materials?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Do you go to Church or Temple? Were you denied access to any of those place of worship?]

    Response: I have been to churches located on the second floor of some shops because Malaysia government has stopped giving approval for new church buildings.

    Question: Does your government treat every community equally in development of public funded projects?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [So you are saying that only a certain group of ethic took LRT, KTM, takes up jobs in Cyberjaya?]

    Response: Don’t try to change the subject. For example, over 95% of the MOE’s budget for school buildings are given to National (Malay) schools. Chinese and Tamil schools received less than 5% of the budget.

    Question: Does Malaysia have a fair and transparent election commission to oversee general election?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Again, why does foreigner cares? Are you implying that foreigners should be given ‘fair and equal’ voting rights as well?]

    Response: It is not a question whether foreigners care or not. Do you care? I can say all right thinking Malaysians care. What do you think of the 50,000 Malaysians of all races that marched to the King’s place to petition for fair election for?

    Question: Do you have a professional and independent police force?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [Similar response to my 1st answer.]

    Response: It is not a question whether foreigners care or not. Do you care? I can say all right thinking Malaysians care. If a former deputy prime minister can be assaulted blindfolded in a police lockup by none other than the former IGP himself. It doesn’t bother you at all? If this can happen to a former deputy prime minister, no one is safe from the brutality of the Malaysian Police!

    Question: Do you have an honest government?

    Morgan Lovell’s answer: [’honest’ is subjective, government is a relative big body, which issue are you targeting?]

    Response: Don’t try to avoid the question. This government has broken its written promised that the NEP is only for 20 years. This government has promised in Parliament to eradicate poverty irrespective of race but in practice it gives 15% discount to Bumiputra billionaires for new houses This government was lying when it said Bumiputra has less than 30% ownership of the economy

    Back to you Morgan Lovell.

  26. #26 by Loh on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 5:58 pm

    Malaysia is a great place for tourists, if they are lucky not to be robbed or even killed.

    Malaysia would have been said to be successful if the country had not the blessed natural resources. It has even wasted on its human resources through brain drain for obvious reasons, and for those human resources that could be put to good use, the people in power preferred to pamper them and make them uncompetitive.

    Malaysia could be proud of the high percentage of its population owning and driving cars, but it is the worst among ASEAN countries in terms of personal safety.

    As Malaysian nationals we want our country to be developed social and economically, we wish to be free from fear of personal safety and security. We want to be able to remain in the country to earn a decent living, and be treated as equal Malaysians without discrimination based on race and religion. Unfortunately, after 50 years of independence, that idea of Malaysian Malaysia has yet not been achieved.

    It is obvious that because of the unfair treatment of Malaysians by the government based on race, the country has stagnated. That has been discussed in considerable depth in this blog. Readers might be persuaded to believe that statements in praise of the country in whatever form serve to mitigate on behalf of the governement, and considered it important to emphasize the ills in the country. And becsuese the country is so polarized, and the faults of the government are beyond dispute, the heated debate was the more intense.

    Kanthanboy asked interesting questions.

  27. #27 by limkamput on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 6:39 pm

    kanthanboy, I salute you. I login just now and was hoping that you will come in to reply.

  28. #28 by Morgan Lovell on Sunday, 10 February 2008 - 8:48 pm

    Dear kanthanboy,

    You had asked some open ended questions, yet you expect to receive closed ended responses? It’s not like you are asking questions such as ‘Is your name Lim Ah Kao?’ and the process of clarification is to ask further questions to find out the true meaning behind those questions that had been posted, yet you labelled the process of clarification itself as ‘avoiding question’.

    Secondly, let’s clarify your objective of asking those 12 questions. You asked:
    ” If a foreigner asked you the following questions about Malaysia, what would your answers be?”

    I’m answering it on the assumption that the foreigner that you had mentioned would like to know more about Malaysia for certain purpose such as relocations, 2nd Home policy, buying properties, investing in Malaysia, etc. However, you are judging my response purely from a deeply suppressed Malaysian point of view.

    Question 1: Read my answer again without prejudices and you shall have your answer.

    Question 2: By reading your response, you are implying that an opportunity that cost more is not equal to an opportunity that cost less, is that understanding correct? In that case, all fresh graduates from any university should have same pay regardless of which company that they had joined, as all the companies in Malaysia are govern by labour law of Malaysia and all University in Malaysia are ‘equal’ in standard?

    Question 3: That’s why I asked the question of whether you are a civil servant yourself. If everyone is questioning the same question as you are asking without joining the public service workforce themself, how can a certain group of ethic improve their status in the public service workforce? The reason I’d also asked you about doctors and teachers is that these 2 public service sectors are relatively populated with a well diversified different ethic groups and are all Head of dept been restricted to a certain group of ethics only?

    Question 4: On the contradictory to your belief, foreigners are picking up local assets especially in Klang Valley areas like hot cakes as an investment instrument simply because the housing prices to them are relatively cheap. As your original question to me was that ‘When a foreigner asked me this question’, that’s why I’d answered why do they bothered? 10 out of 10 foreigners that asked me a question regarding house price in Malaysia never asked this question that you had posted. All they had asked was, ‘How Much for a house this big at this location’.

    Question 5: I’m sorry for your losses if you are the DAP MP involved or the voters in BB area. Again, back to the original concept of your question, “When a foreigner asked me this question”, that’s why I’m asking you back a question, would this be a key element in your consideration should you decide to migrate to or invest in another country?

    Question 6: Please read my answer again. Your so called “Mainstream Media” are only limited to Malaysia, and I’m well aware of what you are refering to as Malaysia “Mainstream Media”. Why would you want to constraint yourself in “Mainstream Media” within Malaysia as your ONLY source of information/news when other globally recognized Mainstream Media are available as an alternative to you? Do you watch your latest football match ‘Live!’ on “Mainstream Media” in Malaysia? My answer to the question is that there are other source of news/information available to you without restriction unlike certain country (such as during the military coup in thailand). When something was blackout in your ‘local Mainstream Media’ such as certain Bersih/Hindraf news, does that means you are unable to obtain those news from alternative source? I’m not trying to avoid the question here, just merely suggesting that “Local Mainstream Media” aren’t the only source of information, so you can spin, control the local Mainstream Media however you like, but I’ll refer to my ‘prefered’ channel of news for reliable news update.

    Question 7: As I’d mentioned earlier, there will always be a certain rule of game impose to us regardless of which country we are residing, it is how well we know those rules and play the game that matters. Ultimately, only the fittest survive. Again, I’m not going to touch on why foreigner won’t bother about this as their children will all go to International school. Since you think NEP is unfair/unjust, how did NEP got implemented in the first place and what had you done to mitigate this rule of game that you dislike?

    Question 8: You had asked for “freedom of worship and every religion is free to build places of worship” and you had just answered the question yourself.

    Question 9: I’m not changing the subject, you had asked “treat every community equally in development of public funded projects?” without refering to any specific projects. Thus, I’m asking back if Cyberjaya development and promotion, LRT/KTM developement are not public funded projects? IF you want to talk specifically about a particular issue, you should raise that issue directly instead of expecting everyone else to be able to guess “oh, Mr. kanthanboy is refering to the MOE budget for school building when he raised this question’. Anyway, to answer your question, it’s a simple maths game, how many NEW non-National school had been build every year? the more Non-National school that are build and granted full sponsored status, the more budget will be allocated. :)

    Question 10: Again, back to the original “When a foreigner asked me this question”, thus my response, why would foreigner care about this question? If you had asked me the question as a Malaysian, whether I care or not, I can tell you that during Bersih and Hindraf case, I rushed back to my hotel in Bangladesh during a pre-Cyclone period just to obtain latest update from Al-Jazeera channel and Jeff-ooi website.

    Question 11: Refer to answer to Question 10.

    Question 12: Your question is equivalent to “Is everyone with the Surname Lee an Honest person” and yet you expect a close ended answer. Again IF you want to talk specifically about a particular issue, you should raise that issue directly instead of leaving other people guessing and then label them as ‘avoiding the question’ when they can’t guess what’s in your mind. When you propose to your gf, do you ask “Does all marriages life ended happily” and expect your gf to answer “Yes” to marry you or “No” to reject you?

    For the NEP termination, I’m not very good in History but is the NEP termination clause only limited to 20 years or there are other clauses such as bumi controlled share should be equivalent to a certain value?

    I think that you are refering to Millionaires instead of Billionaires as the number of official Bumi Billionaires are numbered. So since you think that the government is lying, can you proof it out with statistic? Again, there will always be a certain rule of game impose to us regardless of which country we are residing, it is how well we know those rules and play the game that matters. what had you done to mitigate this game of statistic that you dislike?

    Finally, just a summary and conclusion, most of your expected answer comes from a perspective of someone who is deeply concerned and affected by the various policies or shall I say rule of game within Malaysia, so by asking ” If a foreigner asked you the following questions about Malaysia, what would your answers be?” of course you won’t be getting the answers that you are expecting.

    I don’t think you need to be emotional in this exchange of ideas and constantly exclaiming ‘Don’t avoid my question!’. Less hostility and demand would ensure the channel of intellectual exchange are been kept opened.

  29. #29 by BlackEye on Monday, 11 February 2008 - 12:28 am

    “I don’t think you need to be emotional in this exchange of ideas and constantly exclaiming ‘Don’t avoid my question!’. Less hostility and demand would ensure the channel of intellectual exchange are been kept opened.” Morgan Lovell

    Commentators here know for some time now that no one can or should hope to have an “intellectual” exchange with this limkamput retiree who has a “kampong attap education” to use his own words. When he reads this he’d show he is not what many others think he is, praising you even – but it would not last. Why?? He keeps tripping over his artificially self-inflated ego, if you know what I mean. Don’t take my word for it. Just browse through the threads and you’ll know what I mean. Many of his comments got deleted and he was warned by YB Kit and the Administrator and had to withdraw at one time. Now he’s back annoying and irritating commentators (interspersed with praises occasionally for obvious reasons) with his personal and hostile remarks – if you so much as disagree with him. Correct that. You don’t have to disagree with him, just expressing your views would be sufficient. He’d take the opposite view which often is not his own but just to show he is ‘smarter’ than you, ‘knows more’, ‘traveled more’, ‘been there done that’ – if you know what I mean.

    You put your finger on the button earlier when you refer to him as “a boy losing a game having a hunger for attention”. We have a name for that – ADS or Attention Deficit Syndrome. Which he didn’t know what that stood for because he asked what it meant.

    If you’re looking for a good exchange of ideas try it out with commentators like Oknyua, HB Lim, Jeffrey, Godfather and Undergrad2 to name a few.

    On the other hand, you could continue with this “intellectual” exchange with him because now he’d show you more respect and even praise you for your views – but only to prove his critics wrong.

  30. #30 by BlackEye on Monday, 11 February 2008 - 12:32 am

    Ooops, the head note is wrong.

    It should read “I would really appreciate if you could be less personal in your argument and act as if you know everything and that all other people out there are just simply dumb or plain idiot that can’t match your knowledge, experience…” Morgan Lovell

  31. #31 by kanthanboy on Monday, 11 February 2008 - 7:53 am

    Thank you Morgan Lovell for the exchange. I agree with Loh that because the country is so polarized, and the faults of the government are beyond dispute, the heated debate was the more intense. I can shake hands with you.

  32. #32 by limkamput on Monday, 11 February 2008 - 9:49 pm

    Ooops, the head note is wrong. Blackeye

    See, you can’t even get one thing right!

    Anway, BlackEye, Nobody cares and nobody reads your hallucination/delusion/insinuation. Even if they read, I think many don’t understand your incoherent and rotten English. Please face reality. You are incompetent and useless just like BN. .

  33. #33 by DarkHorse on Tuesday, 12 February 2008 - 2:24 am

    Someone got snubbed by kathanboy!

  34. #34 by lovemalaysia on Tuesday, 4 March 2008 - 1:17 am

    vote all out to DAP, we will not be misleading again after 50 yrs dreaming, wake up! I was a fresh graduate during the last election, believing fairness and this society is kind, but everything is changed, you knw, rasuah frm many municipal officers & some govt bodies, u never believe if you are not being “involved unwillingly”. For election, BN is always using those tactics, newspaper, tv, radio advertising, u knw, the cost is frm Rakyat who are paying taxes, if u r doing good all the while, u no need to waste Rakyat’s money to advertise…UMNO members with racist speeches in yr 2006, we all remember! PM, pls dont say that the few members do not represent the whole UMNO or GOVT, your son-in law was one of it, who said Malay is being marginalise in penang? which ppl can get 30% share in the non-bumi company by compulsory? which ppl get disc in buying houses even with Million dolar cost? which contractors can only get govt projects? who get the most place in Govt Uni for study? who get the highest position in Public Uni? and which race can become PM, while some races will never have a chance? i m not racist, and in fact i m highly educated person, the races issues only created by certain parties in Malaysia, without these party, Malaysia will not have so much races differentiation, and the ‘Hasutan” is frm certain political parties! The majority of Malaysian loves each other without seeing frm the perspective of races,religion. We need a party to represent all, not like the current status, some party for Malay, Chinese Indian, in fact, we all Malaysian! Why MCA need to fight hard for Chinese schools, and if get one or two established, put on newspaper with wide coverage? i thought this is the basic for Malaysian? why some ppl no need to “fight” and will get everything? why Indians’ temple being dismantle and MIC could not do anything before the Eve of Deepavali 2007? There are many Malaysian has not been given a chance to speak out the worries, concerns, complaints. I had made the some questions in Warkah Utk PM, which is newly launched for 2008 election, no reply since yesterday, i am waiting for the answers…i did remember also sent some msg to PM when BN won the majority in yr 2004, no reply at all! They were saying that PM wants to knw truth of words frm everyone! Now this warkah thingy….no hope! It just as “gimmick” to pleased voters. BN candidates, showing on the newspaper, jotting down many “issues” frm the voters, its only can be seen during election campaigning period, after & before this? where are u? Frm youtube, u can see some Parlimen clips is published. And dont forget, many BN ppl will say: “Sounds like me, and looks like me” if being suspect on certain issues. Pity on the opposition parties being working so hard, to attend Parlimen almost all the time, not like many BN candidates that rare to attend parlimen meeting, being little voice to fight BN, i was shedding my tears looking at many oppostion reps, being very few person and being bullied, but u all are strong! Who said “Malaysia is an Islamic State, kalau u tak suka, u keluar dari Malaysia”? Look at YB Kit, sacrifice almost whole life for Rakyat, they never have chance to get Datukship, never being enough fund to run campaign, but he is till doing campaining around the Malaysia, he is not young anymore, but he is still fighthing for all, my tribute to u! DAP, your die hard fans will all support u! do not give up and disappointed in the Parlimen! We hope many hearted voters will help by sending more reps to back-up u all!

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