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		<title>By: BlackEye</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-75131</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were to read his response to oknyua's message, you'll agree with me that your reaction to his posting earlier has nothing to do with the way he responded to yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were to read his response to oknyua&#8217;s message, you&#8217;ll agree with me that your reaction to his posting earlier has nothing to do with the way he responded to yours.</p>
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		<title>By: HB Lim</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-75114</link>
		<dc:creator>HB Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>limkamput, I took note of the Public Bank Acct you provided and recorded the no immediately in my hand phone. I asked only once and I thank you for supplying the info that I needed. I did not mean to behave like a great guy.I am not being hypocritical when I said what I said. I am sorry if I appeared that way to you. I am completely flabbergasted at your reaction towards me but that does not matter and I wish your misunderstanding of me will end here with this explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>limkamput, I took note of the Public Bank Acct you provided and recorded the no immediately in my hand phone. I asked only once and I thank you for supplying the info that I needed. I did not mean to behave like a great guy.I am not being hypocritical when I said what I said. I am sorry if I appeared that way to you. I am completely flabbergasted at your reaction towards me but that does not matter and I wish your misunderstanding of me will end here with this explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-75090</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Didnâ€™t all of us are just expressing our opinions here?" limkamput

That's the point. You were not just expressing your opinion on the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Didnâ€™t all of us are just expressing our opinions here?&#8221; limkamput</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point. You were not just expressing your opinion on the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74966</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I refer to oknyuaâ€™s posting above. 

First, I think you are admitting defeat before the battle starts.  Why are you so sure the suit will have no effect at all on election results?  The oppositions are already so restricted in terms of highlighting issues and galvanising support. So one extra avenue, even costing RM50k (this is also an estimate, it may be less), is worth the effort because we will never know what the effect will be like.

Second, if the abuses and misuses are already on-going, does it mean we just have to accept it and let it be.  The suit is not about winning it in court, if by now you still donâ€™t get it. Your argument about countless spies and cameras I believe is for suits after the election.    

Third, if pursuing it through the court system is futile, pursuing it through parliament is a non starter.  I think the Parliament will not even allow for the debate on this if one gets to table a motion.  I am aware you may be referring to future Parliament after the election.  Well, if we have a Parliament who is willing to consider care-taker government after the election, we no longer need any suit.  

Fourth, your priority on electoral alliance, a common platform and a unified theme is but one opinion.  Like your criticism of other opinions, I too can say that it is probably very idealistic and difficult to attain.  

Fifth, with regard to you leaving the blog because seemingly those who shared your views have remained quiet, I just wish to say that the feeling is mutual.  Election is near. This is DAPâ€™s and Sdr Lim's blog. I think some of us are doing great disservice to the party and to him. Ok, I can leave if that makes some of you happy.   Didnâ€™t all of us are just expressing our opinions here. What make us think that ours is better than othersâ€™ and can not be challenged?  May be that is why I am an odd ball.   I also have had enough for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refer to oknyuaâ€™s posting above. </p>
<p>First, I think you are admitting defeat before the battle starts.  Why are you so sure the suit will have no effect at all on election results?  The oppositions are already so restricted in terms of highlighting issues and galvanising support. So one extra avenue, even costing RM50k (this is also an estimate, it may be less), is worth the effort because we will never know what the effect will be like.</p>
<p>Second, if the abuses and misuses are already on-going, does it mean we just have to accept it and let it be.  The suit is not about winning it in court, if by now you still donâ€™t get it. Your argument about countless spies and cameras I believe is for suits after the election.    </p>
<p>Third, if pursuing it through the court system is futile, pursuing it through parliament is a non starter.  I think the Parliament will not even allow for the debate on this if one gets to table a motion.  I am aware you may be referring to future Parliament after the election.  Well, if we have a Parliament who is willing to consider care-taker government after the election, we no longer need any suit.  </p>
<p>Fourth, your priority on electoral alliance, a common platform and a unified theme is but one opinion.  Like your criticism of other opinions, I too can say that it is probably very idealistic and difficult to attain.  </p>
<p>Fifth, with regard to you leaving the blog because seemingly those who shared your views have remained quiet, I just wish to say that the feeling is mutual.  Election is near. This is DAPâ€™s and Sdr Lim&#8217;s blog. I think some of us are doing great disservice to the party and to him. Ok, I can leave if that makes some of you happy.   Didnâ€™t all of us are just expressing our opinions here. What make us think that ours is better than othersâ€™ and can not be challenged?  May be that is why I am an odd ball.   I also have had enough for now.</p>
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		<title>By: oknyua</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74958</link>
		<dc:creator>oknyua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undergrad2, I am speaking from my past experiences. I was an election agent and I heard many reports from the field. Some of these reports were compiled and an official complaint was lodged. 

After the election I was asked to give more evidences; things like receipts, vouchers and eye witnesses. I didn't have them. I agree we need a war chest - not an empty but filled to the brim. We need not only to win in the court,  but to record the abuses as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undergrad2, I am speaking from my past experiences. I was an election agent and I heard many reports from the field. Some of these reports were compiled and an official complaint was lodged. </p>
<p>After the election I was asked to give more evidences; things like receipts, vouchers and eye witnesses. I didn&#8217;t have them. I agree we need a war chest - not an empty but filled to the brim. We need not only to win in the court,  but to record the abuses as well.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74954</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Thirdly we would need countless spies and cameras to record the abuses." oknyua

Some of the witnesses in the past were paid to come to court to give evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thirdly we would need countless spies and cameras to record the abuses.&#8221; oknyua</p>
<p>Some of the witnesses in the past were paid to come to court to give evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74949</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB Kit says the filing, court costs and attorney costs (?) would cost some RM50k. I'm not sure how YB Kit arrives at this figure. But assuming this is the correct figure then in my opinion it does not appear to  be worth the money  if it is merely for the sake of filing the OS.

Especially when you say

"...the suit would be heard sometimes around June or July, long after election is over." oknyua

I expect there will be a lot of electoral offenses committed by all parties  since we could assume that the elections will be the most hotly contested elections in the history of the country. Some of these cases will make their way to our courts and if past events are any indication DAP and PKR will need a war chest to contest the results. I worked under Zaki Tun Azmi the future CJ (?) and I can tell you that working pro bono is going to be tough for the attorneys.

Every seat counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB Kit says the filing, court costs and attorney costs (?) would cost some RM50k. I&#8217;m not sure how YB Kit arrives at this figure. But assuming this is the correct figure then in my opinion it does not appear to  be worth the money  if it is merely for the sake of filing the OS.</p>
<p>Especially when you say</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the suit would be heard sometimes around June or July, long after election is over.&#8221; oknyua</p>
<p>I expect there will be a lot of electoral offenses committed by all parties  since we could assume that the elections will be the most hotly contested elections in the history of the country. Some of these cases will make their way to our courts and if past events are any indication DAP and PKR will need a war chest to contest the results. I worked under Zaki Tun Azmi the future CJ (?) and I can tell you that working pro bono is going to be tough for the attorneys.</p>
<p>Every seat counts.</p>
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		<title>By: oknyua</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74943</link>
		<dc:creator>oknyua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suit has been filed. The court would fix a date. The EC and AAB would ask for a postponement, duly granted. Due to election business going on, the suit would be heard sometimes around June or July, long after election is over. 

It is not being unsupportive of the suit or the money; it is the priority at this point of time. Secondly, the abuses and misuses are already going on now; even cabinet meetings discussed party matters and the election. Thirdly we would need countless spies and cameras to record the abuses. 

Pushing for interim non-political based government, I think could be better pursued through parliament. As in the past, it would be a tough job to get parliament to accede, but that is exactly where the present election fight lies; we have to do better. 

Our priority is an electoral alliance, a common platform, a unified theme. I read a few commentators giving suggestions in the same line had since then remained quiet. I too might just leave the blog, especially after reading continually all the personal comments and insinuations; genuine contributors are silenced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suit has been filed. The court would fix a date. The EC and AAB would ask for a postponement, duly granted. Due to election business going on, the suit would be heard sometimes around June or July, long after election is over. </p>
<p>It is not being unsupportive of the suit or the money; it is the priority at this point of time. Secondly, the abuses and misuses are already going on now; even cabinet meetings discussed party matters and the election. Thirdly we would need countless spies and cameras to record the abuses. </p>
<p>Pushing for interim non-political based government, I think could be better pursued through parliament. As in the past, it would be a tough job to get parliament to accede, but that is exactly where the present election fight lies; we have to do better. </p>
<p>Our priority is an electoral alliance, a common platform, a unified theme. I read a few commentators giving suggestions in the same line had since then remained quiet. I too might just leave the blog, especially after reading continually all the personal comments and insinuations; genuine contributors are silenced.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/03/caretaker-government-suit-may-be-filed-tomorrow/#comment-74937</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blackeye, whatever you said about me is rightly and most applicable to you. How can you not able see your own irony?  Sdr Lim does not need your half bake advice, you good for nothing defeatist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blackeye, whatever you said about me is rightly and most applicable to you. How can you not able see your own irony?  Sdr Lim does not need your half bake advice, you good for nothing defeatist.</p>
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