Comments on: Evolving from ‘bullshit to truth’ http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/ for Malaysia Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:14:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Duty, Not Privilege « BJ Thoughts… http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74228 Duty, Not Privilege « BJ Thoughts… Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:54:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74228 [...] It is your duty to provide without question because at the end of the day, your real boss is the Malaysian people. It is for that reason, you been elected and being paid – to do your duty. Period! But we know about the people like you – arrogant & unfair when firmly holding to the posts but insecure & good when elections are around the corner. [...] [...] It is your duty to provide without question because at the end of the day, your real boss is the Malaysian people. It is for that reason, you been elected and being paid – to do your duty. Period! But we know about the people like you – arrogant & unfair when firmly holding to the posts but insecure & good when elections are around the corner. [...]

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74155 limkamput Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:50:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74155 Darkhorse, No I am not. What I said has empirical basis, unlike you. YOU are waffling and condescending. By the way are you a fair Indian, you know Indians with a fairer skin type? Usually they think they are smart and therefore are quite arrogant and cocky type. Darkhorse, No I am not. What I said has empirical basis, unlike you. YOU are waffling and condescending. By the way are you a fair Indian, you know Indians with a fairer skin type? Usually they think they are smart and therefore are quite arrogant and cocky type.

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74145 DarkHorse Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:57:52 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-74145 limkamput, you're once again waffling as usual. limkamput, you’re once again waffling as usual.

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73886 limkamput Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:31:57 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73886 Fair enough, Jeffrey and Darkhorse. It is not that I can’t see what Hindraf is trying to say. What I observe is that minority Malaysians would usually want to form a political party or a NGO and then suck up with UNMO/BN. We have MIC, PPP and IPF before this, and we also have “good for nothing” NGOs who are ever eager to work with the government just to get some allocations. The moment they do that, their cause gets diluted/corrupted and the problem is back to square one. I admired what Hindraf has achieved thus far and I think I have been consistent in expressing my support. But their last statement (as issued in London) rattled me. Hindraf may wish to remain non political, but it will be a spent force like PPP, IPF and MIC the moment it goes back to the government with tail between its legs. If you “negotiate” and work with BN based on existing arrangement, it will be based on dominance and subservience, period. Many here are talking about change. Yes, change we must, and one of these changes is about changing the master-slave and dominance-subservience relationship. Anything less than that, we are beggars and beggars can not choose and can not set term. So, I wish Hindraf can revisit the statement and see in what way it can achieve its objective. Fair enough, Jeffrey and Darkhorse. It is not that I can’t see what Hindraf is trying to say. What I observe is that minority Malaysians would usually want to form a political party or a NGO and then suck up with UNMO/BN. We have MIC, PPP and IPF before this, and we also have “good for nothing” NGOs who are ever eager to work with the government just to get some allocations. The moment they do that, their cause gets diluted/corrupted and the problem is back to square one. I admired what Hindraf has achieved thus far and I think I have been consistent in expressing my support. But their last statement (as issued in London) rattled me. Hindraf may wish to remain non political, but it will be a spent force like PPP, IPF and MIC the moment it goes back to the government with tail between its legs. If you “negotiate” and work with BN based on existing arrangement, it will be based on dominance and subservience, period. Many here are talking about change. Yes, change we must, and one of these changes is about changing the master-slave and dominance-subservience relationship. Anything less than that, we are beggars and beggars can not choose and can not set term. So, I wish Hindraf can revisit the statement and see in what way it can achieve its objective.

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73871 Jeffrey Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:13:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73871 Although it is true as what Lim Kam Put said that "the opposition parties have not governed this country even for a single day except in some state governments" what Hindraf is saying (indirectly) is that in this 50 years of neglect of Malaysian Indians' plight, the Opposition voice to speak up for their cause against the govt in this last 50 years was until Hindraf raised the profile either not there or somewhat mute, and it implies that Opposition's sincerity should not be taken for granted by Indian voters as it is subject to proof. Although it is true as what Lim Kam Put said that “the opposition parties have not governed this country even for a single day except in some state governments” what Hindraf is saying (indirectly) is that in this 50 years of neglect of Malaysian Indians’ plight, the Opposition voice to speak up for their cause against the govt in this last 50 years was until Hindraf raised the profile either not there or somewhat mute, and it implies that Opposition’s sincerity should not be taken for granted by Indian voters as it is subject to proof.

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73855 DarkHorse Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:43:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73855 ooops delete "broad spectrum of NGOs etc" ooops delete “broad spectrum of NGOs etc”

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73854 DarkHorse Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:41:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73854 "And yet you HINDRAF want to paint the oppositions with the same tar as BN." It is not about painting the opposition with anything or painting it with a broad brush stroke. Hindraf from the very start has made its intention to be bipartisan in its approach to what is really a socio-economic problem. It has not registered itself as a political party for good reason. That reason is apparently to prevent the government from treating it like another opposition party and its leaders as aspirants to political office. It has the advantage of being a social movement allied not to political parties but to a broad spectrum of NGO etc. Yet as we all can see it fails to stop the government from branding what is in reality a loose coalition of interest groups as an organization with links to a foreign terrorist organization. Certainly it is not about keeping the cake and eating it. It is about getting the support of the broad spectrum of right thinking Malaysians of whatever race, religion or political affiliations - be they BN supporters or DAP supporters, MIC or UMNO. The fact that its cause has lent itself to manipulation by opposition politicians should not reduce its importance as a movement bipartisan in approach, to attract the attention of the nation to a long standing issue affecting the Indian community in particular and to the Malaysian community generally. “And yet you HINDRAF want to paint the oppositions with the same tar as BN.”

It is not about painting the opposition with anything or painting it with a broad brush stroke.

Hindraf from the very start has made its intention to be bipartisan in its approach to what is really a socio-economic problem. It has not registered itself as a political party for good reason. That reason is apparently to prevent the government from treating it like another opposition party and its leaders as aspirants to political office. It has the advantage of being a social movement allied not to political parties but to a broad spectrum of NGO etc.

Yet as we all can see it fails to stop the government from branding what is in reality a loose coalition of interest groups as an organization with links to a foreign terrorist organization.

Certainly it is not about keeping the cake and eating it. It is about getting the support of the broad spectrum of right thinking Malaysians of whatever race, religion or political affiliations - be they BN supporters or DAP supporters, MIC or UMNO. The fact that its cause has lent itself to manipulation by opposition politicians should not reduce its importance as a movement bipartisan in approach, to attract the attention of the nation to a long standing issue affecting the Indian community in particular and to the Malaysian community generally.

]]> By: chandar http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73811 chandar Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:13:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73811 Im not sure about the 50yrs , but in the 20odd years of blantant disregard for rights of the individual and equality that we have stomached our kids and future generations should endure this ...its time for a change!!! There is no superior race, like some of our UMNO leaders think...we have to show them. Im not sure about the 50yrs , but in the 20odd years of blantant disregard for rights of the individual and equality that we have stomached our kids and future generations should endure this …its time for a change!!! There is no superior race, like some of our UMNO leaders think…we have to show them.

]]> By: limkamput http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73791 limkamput Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:28:06 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/31/evolving-from-bullshit-to-truth/#comment-73791 This in one thing I don’t quite understand what HINDRAF is talking about. For 50 years BN led by UMNO has marginalised the Indians as well as other minorities (don’t forget that). The opposition parties have not governed this country even for a single day except in some state governments. And yet you HINDRAF want to paint the oppositions with the same tar as BN. How can this be? Whether you like it or not, you have to put your bet on someone just like the way Malaysians in general do. You can’t have the cake and eat it too. This in one thing I don’t quite understand what HINDRAF is talking about. For 50 years BN led by UMNO has marginalised the Indians as well as other minorities (don’t forget that). The opposition parties have not governed this country even for a single day except in some state governments. And yet you HINDRAF want to paint the oppositions with the same tar as BN. How can this be? Whether you like it or not, you have to put your bet on someone just like the way Malaysians in general do. You can’t have the cake and eat it too.

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