Nobody is calling you a thief and a pimp. It is just an example.

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limkamput,

You don’t need to rough up Godam Singh who may not be legally trained but I am. But he’s right the two concepts may not overlap and here’s why.

If you’re the thief who steals YB Kit’s old Mercedes parked in Kg. Attap, in KL and an unsuspecting Godam Singh buys it from you limkamput the thief, in good faith for value and without notice that limkamput the thief has in fact stolen that car, does Godam get a good title? Answer: Yes.

Godam Singh then sells it to another unsuspecting buyer, Jeffrey who pays full value for it and without notice that it had been stolen, does Jeffrey get a good title? Answer: Yes.

Then YB Kit who is Jeffrey’s neighbor notices that the car parked in front of Jeffrey’s house is in fact his (YB Kit’s) car and wants to claim the car from Jeffrey. Can he legally do so? Answer: No.

Why not? It is not fair. It is after all YB Kit’s car that was earlier stolen when parked in Kg. Attap where pimps roamed.

So to summarize, we have limkamput who is the pimp lurking in the shadows of Kg. Attap who stole YB Kit’s old Mercedes and sold it to Godam Singh the unsuspecting buyer who paid full value for it. Limkamput, the part time pimp and part time car thief then ran back to his hole he called home to count the proceeds of his crime.

Is it fair?

I’m not referring to limkamput the pimp living in a hole he calls home but is it fair to deny YB Kit his car. Answer: No.

Is there justice when Jeffrey is allowed by law to retain possession of YB Kit’s stolen car? Answer: Yes.

So before you call others names, perhaps you should look at yourself first.

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Don’t say posters are forcing you to say anything. If you have nothing to say, say so. We understand what that means.

See lots of things we write or say reflect who we are. What do you mean by “an ignorant village idiot”? Village people are probably more dignified, honest and hardworking than soulless, gutless and heartless lawyers and wannabes.

Typical of someone who know little and yet want to talk very big. Are you so keen to explain to me whatever little you know? Go ahead then. Show me where and when I said those things you quoted here and I will be happy to answer you. Are you an illiterate lawyer or wannabe? Please read carefully what others write, don’t read what you think others write, ok? Oh jurisprudence? May be it is robustness to colonel. But I am not colonel.

To understand the difference you must have gone through a course in legal jurisprudence. Too big a word for you?

This is what happens when you bite more than you can chew!

What is disturbing is not that you do not know what you’re talking about (half of the time you don’t) but your refusal to admit that you don’t, even when exposed, and to call other posters names to cover your faults – the usual diversionary tactic employed by someone who is bankrupt of ideas and has nothing to say in reply.

So here I am! Waiting for your reply.

“Law is not all about fairness; and justice is not about being fair”.

Which part of it don’t you understand, do let me know.

“in the company of our more learned friends”, Huh????

Is this humbly proud or proudly trying to be humble? Real group of bunkum. No wonder people hate lawyers so much, and worst still the wannabes.

Limkamput,

You still have not answered Dark Horse but instead went off tangent to repeat what you have said many times over before i.e. that laws are repressive and oppressive, and that it is all about change. Not all laws are repressive and oppressive and lawyers do not make laws, and furthermore that is not the issue here.

You spoke about “fairness” and Godam adds that the “law is not about fairness but about justice”. You disagree. So let’s us hear what you have to say.

I refer to your claimed that Malaysia also has a dictator. I am not very sure of that. In fact, many will not agree with you.

Dr Mahathir, during his tenure was often ridiculed as a dictator. Western Press hate him. But they respect him as he said what he meant and meant what he said. Of course, he was bad as he was able to show that Western way is not the only way.

He is critical, not paranoid. And many countries condemned ISA. Surprisingly their records sometimes are worse. During Dr Mahathir’s tenure, Harakah, PAS publication but there is nothing Islamic about the character of its editor, often called him “Mahafiraun” forgetting the very reminder in Kuran not to label people .

Criticize, but be fair. I mean anybody knows Malaysia never had dictators before. They say hatred can blind people.

Never mind, Dracula. Don’t let him suck your blood. But I’m interested to know your learned argument against “law is not about fairness but about justice.”

Like I said earlier, “You’re capable of giving an intelligent input to the discussion.” So don’t let the Count and the others make you look more pathetic than you already are.

Then you are one of many soulless people (lawyers) who know laws but not justice and fairness, which by now anybody who has some discernment would have noticed long ago. All these half past six lawyers or wannabes! If I am a pimp, then you people are prostitutes under my care. I can’t wait.

You don’t need to rough up Godam Singh who may not be legally trained but I am. But he’s right the two concepts may not overlap and here’s why.

If you’re the thief who steals YB Kit’s old Mercedes parked in Kg. Attap, in KL and an unsuspecting Godam Singh buys it from you limkamput the thief, in good faith for value and without notice that limkamput the thief has in fact stolen that car, does Godam get a good title? Answer: Yes.

Godam Singh then sells it to another unsuspecting buyer, Jeffrey who pays full value for it and without notice that it had been stolen, does Jeffrey get a good title? Answer: Yes.

Then YB Kit who is Jeffrey’s neighbor notices that the car parked in front of Jeffrey’s house is in fact his (YB Kit’s) car and wants to claim the car from Jeffrey. Can he legally do so? Answer: No.

Why not? It is not fair. It is after all YB Kit’s car that was earlier stolen when parked in Kg. Attap where pimps roamed.

So to summarize, we have limkamput who is the pimp lurking in the shadows of Kg. Attap who stole YB Kit’s old Mercedes and sold it to Godam Singh the unsuspecting buyer who paid full value for it. Limkamput, the part time pimp and part time car thief then ran back to his hole he called home to count the proceeds of his crime.

Is it fair?

I’m not referring to limkamput the pimp living in a hole he calls home but is it fair to deny YB Kit his car. Answer: No.

Is there justice when Jeffrey is allowed by law to retain possession of YB Kit’s stolen car? Answer: Yes.

So before you call others names, perhaps you should look at yourself first.

What a double standard!

This is the recent minor declassified materials from Australia, Sidney Morning Herald.
http://hornbillfriendship.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=368&Itemid=1

another source: http://www.wehoo.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=12&id=134