Comments on: Postmortem on Hindraf rally (1) http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/ for Malaysia Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:06:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: cheng on soo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70435 cheng on soo Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:34:52 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70435 Process of evolution stated by HJ Angus, is true for Msia, and is indeed very bad and sad for Msia in the long run! In this globalized world, Msia how?? Process of evolution stated by HJ Angus, is true for Msia, and is indeed very bad and sad for Msia in the long run! In this globalized world, Msia how??

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70402 dawsheng Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:48:22 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70402 "You know my friends, there comes a time when people get tired of being trampled by the iron feet of oppression ..." Martin Luther King “You know my friends, there comes a time when people get tired of being trampled by the iron feet of oppression …” Martin Luther King

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70389 HJ Angus Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:12:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70389 But the process of evolution does not stand still - it continues. In Malaysia all those outside the loop of special rights become tougher and smarter if they survive or they become criminals peddling vice and illegal vcds. Those with the special rights develop the crutch mentality and become more aggressive when you question their rights as that mode prolongs their survival. The smarter ones in this group can also become immensely rich. That is the process of evolution in Malaysia. But the process of evolution does not stand still - it continues.

In Malaysia all those outside the loop of special rights become tougher and smarter if they survive or they become criminals peddling vice and illegal vcds.

Those with the special rights develop the crutch mentality and become more aggressive when you question their rights as that mode prolongs their survival. The smarter ones in this group can also become immensely rich.

That is the process of evolution in Malaysia.

]]> By: dawsheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70388 dawsheng Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:06:21 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70388 "To understand the thought processes of any one individual one cannot ignore the influence race, culture and religion has over them." That's right, now if you believe Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, our ancestors were actually apes and monkeys. But as we developing on the outside to become more human, there are unfortunate cases when the thought process didn't, these people remain very much apes and monkeys although they appear human. We have many fine examples in Malaysia; one of them is Khairy Jamaludin. “To understand the thought processes of any one individual one cannot ignore the influence race, culture and religion has over them.”

That’s right, now if you believe Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, our ancestors were actually apes and monkeys. But as we developing on the outside to become more human, there are unfortunate cases when the thought process didn’t, these people remain very much apes and monkeys although they appear human. We have many fine examples in Malaysia; one of them is Khairy Jamaludin.

]]> By: BlackEye http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70382 BlackEye Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:43:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70382 To understand the thought processes of any one individual one cannot ignore the influence race, culture and religion has over them. To understand the thought processes of any one individual one cannot ignore the influence race, culture and religion has over them.

]]> By: BlackEye http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70381 BlackEye Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:40:41 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70381 "What has Haris parental heritage got to do with his thoughts and actions. He is a true Malaysian, plain and simple." There is no such thing as a Malaysian. There is only a Malay Malaysian, a Chinese Malaysian and an Indian Malaysian. Just like you have a Chinese American, an African American, Irish American and a Pakistani American etc. “What has Haris parental heritage got to do with his thoughts and actions. He is a true Malaysian, plain and simple.”

There is no such thing as a Malaysian. There is only a Malay Malaysian, a Chinese Malaysian and an Indian Malaysian. Just like you have a Chinese American, an African American, Irish American and a Pakistani American etc.

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70373 HJ Angus Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:10:38 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70373 Talking is always better than walking as it requires more intellectual input but remember how the Section 11 roadshows were stopped by none other than our always-flying about PM? The irony is that he refuses to allow talks in Malaysia but will whizz halfway round the world to discuss inter-religious dialogues. Meanwhile churches are being harrassed and temples demolished. For a balanced approach on how we can safeguard Malaysia, I suggest the movie "The Great Debaters". http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/01/unjust-law-is-no-law.html Talking is always better than walking as it requires more intellectual input but remember how the Section 11 roadshows were stopped by none other than our always-flying about PM?

The irony is that he refuses to allow talks in Malaysia but will whizz halfway round the world to discuss inter-religious dialogues. Meanwhile churches are being harrassed and temples demolished.

For a balanced approach on how we can safeguard Malaysia, I suggest the movie “The Great Debaters”.

http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/01/unjust-law-is-no-law.html

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70330 Jeffrey Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:40:28 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70330 cheng on soo says "when a certain group of ppl is discriminated to the extreme, till that group can take it no more, things going to burst.." True, but this is where the main difference lies between the two approaches within the second group - the Hindraf/Natanial's approach taking to the street, harnessing its power based on confrontation and show of force by civil disobedience and numbers protesting, maybe even as a prelude, afetr testing waters, to escalate to some other even more radical actions to come - I won't speculate what they may or could be - and the other approach of engagement and dialogue with the government, talk, talk, talk, law, on the constitution, logic and rationality and rights, the courts, no matter perceived as not independent, and the use the ballot box, no matter again perceived as rigged a sytem weighted in favour of incumbent govt, as arbiter. cheng on soo says “when a certain group of ppl is discriminated to the extreme, till that group can take it no more, things going to burst..” True, but this is where the main difference lies between the two approaches within the second group - the Hindraf/Natanial’s approach taking to the street, harnessing its power based on confrontation and show of force by civil disobedience and numbers protesting, maybe even as a prelude, afetr testing waters, to escalate to some other even more radical actions to come - I won’t speculate what they may or could be - and the other approach of engagement and dialogue with the government, talk, talk, talk, law, on the constitution, logic and rationality and rights, the courts, no matter perceived as not independent, and the use the ballot box, no matter again perceived as rigged a sytem weighted in favour of incumbent govt, as arbiter.

]]> By: Tickler http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70329 Tickler Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:35:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/postmortem-on-hindraf-rally-1/#comment-70329 “It is this kind of theology that leads to the rejection of constitutional freedom of other faiths to espouse and practise their religion in a manner they so wish,” Anwar said. “It preaches the exclusivist doctrine that Muslims must constantly prevail over non-Muslims.” He labelled it ridiculous nonsense that only Muslims can use the word ‘Allah’ and backed up his assertion by quoting from the Quran, the Muslim holy book. _____________________________________________ Anyone know what PAS has said on that? I`m really curious. Couldn`t find anything on their harakah site. “It is this kind of theology that leads to the rejection of constitutional freedom of other faiths to espouse and practise their religion in a manner they so wish,” Anwar said.

“It preaches the exclusivist doctrine that Muslims must constantly prevail over non-Muslims.”

He labelled it ridiculous nonsense that only Muslims can use the word ‘Allah’ and backed up his assertion by quoting from the Quran, the Muslim holy book.
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Anyone know what PAS has said on that? I`m really curious. Couldn`t find anything on their harakah site.

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