Letters
I am writing this e-mail to you regarding your latest post on my former school, SMK BUD4. What the parent has wrote to you is indeed correct. Although I have left BU4 for good but I still do communicate with my friends and teachers of that school. In fact I still do visit it quite frequently.
After hearing about these issues about the new principal I felt that I should play my part as a former student of this school as well. I have a few additional information I would like to share with you. As Valentine’s Day is drawing near, the Scout Troop of SMKBU4 proposed to sell cookies for that occasion to gather some funds for our activities and charity. But to their dismay the Principal rejected the proposal immediately by the reason that she is a Muslim and does not celebrate Valentine’s Day. As far as I know, Malaysia is a multiracial country. The government is trying to promote multiracial values but their civil servant are going against that.
Besides that, our school hold a Talent Night Event for students to show off their capability and talent every year. The new principal has also said that she does not want the event to be held this year. She told a teacher that if we wanted to attend a contest we can go to the US or other Western Countries. After hearing this I felt that this principal has a real narrow mind. I feel sad for her honestly.
I still remember an incident that happened last year during our school’s PIBG’s AGM. As the YDP PIBG stood up to present his speech in English, a Muslim parent stood up as well but for another reason. He requested our YDP to speak in Bahasa Melayu as this is Malaysia. I still remember him saying that the British times are over, every Malaysian should know how to speak in BM. The parent and a few others insisted on their stand therefore we had no choice but to ask a teacher to interprete the text to BM.
Well my question is this. Did anyone or any rule stats that English is not allowed to be used in Malaysia? Even our government are encouraging the citizens to use english. The Education Ministry introduced Maths and Science in English.
#1 by smeagroo on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:42 am
Maybe the Edu head Hiiiiissssshamuddin wants the parents ot have a rally to prove a point before he put some sense back into his bunch of brainless HMs. Are the Head masters or HeadlessMasters?
#2 by bystander on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:06 pm
for those who dont have children studying in BU4 and are presumptious and prejudging like kwkean, fyi this is a new issue. it only started this year 2008. the students had talent how, cheerleading, lion dance in 2007. this religious bigot is imposing the ban from 2008 as she was just transferred last year from sabah. so pls dont jump the gun accusing parents of BU4 not taking action. pls have your facts before shooting your mouth.
#3 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:07 pm
Chong Zhemin,
Article 152 is not relevant to the situation here.
The said Article governs the use of Malay in Parliament, in our courts and the use of English in court proceedings.
Article 12(3) works to ensure that no one is forced into receiving instruction, participate in a ceremony or act of worship of a religion not that of his or her own.
Forcing non-Muslim students to recite Koranic verses during school assembly would come within the ambit of this Article. Showing respect to an act of worship by others of a different religion certainly does not come within its ambit.
#4 by Abraham on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:09 pm
I personally think the best way to deal this matter is to publicise this lady HM’s name in this blog. Let all the readers of this blog to now her name. By doing so, I am sure someone will eventiually alert /ask this lady HM to read this blog. To avoid any further humilation, I believe she may reverse her decisions.
#5 by malaysiatoday.com on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:13 pm
melurian says true, he should speak in bm coz this is malaysia. salute that muslim parent.
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Why malay muslims still use arabic language in prayers after all this is Malaysia?
Malay shall set a good example to use BM in every facet of life? Why they forget to use BM in their prayers?
This extreme headmister may asking non-muslims to “potong” after all this is Malaysia with BM is official language and Islam is official religion.
#6 by malaysiatoday.com on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:18 pm
I think the parents and students must organize a demostration to voice out their grievances.
#7 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:53 pm
“Why malay muslims still use arabic language in prayers after all this is Malaysia?”
The Malays learn the Koran by rote i.e. reciting Koranic verses without understanding them. They feel the Koran should not be translated because of the fear that verses would lose some of their meaning when translated – lost in translation.
Also it is the language of the Prophet.
#8 by Evenmind on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 12:54 pm
The Gomen is always trying to mislead the world thro adverts in BBC/CNN by means of thier propoganda song Malaysia truly “ASIA”, they potray themselves as saints when the opposite is happening in reality., do they know the meaning of multi racial/multi cultural or our existence is here is just in the song only.How much more hippocrite can they be? There is movie called the perfect storm, in their case they are the Perfect Hippocrites. FULL STOP
#9 by Tickler on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 1:23 pm
In 2005, Puin published a collection of articles under the title, Die dunklen Anfange. Neue Forschungen zur Entstehung und fruhen Geschichte des Islam (“The dark beginnings: new research on the origin and early history of Islam,” Hans Schiller Verlag, 2005). This drew on the work of the pseudonymous German philologist “Christoph Luxenburg”, who sought to prove that incomprehensible passages in the Koran were written in Syriac-Aramaic rather than Arabic.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/1195/46/
#10 by NAR2645 on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 1:26 pm
Abraham: personally think the best way to deal this matter is to publicise this lady HM’s name in this blog. Let all the readers of this blog to now her name//
Yes, Please do it, as I feel that this is a good way, to deter other “little napleons” from misbehaving.
#11 by RGRaj on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 1:28 pm
As a Muslim, the headmistress is religiously obliged to implement Islamic principals on her charges, Muslim or no.
But this doesn’t mean the affected parents should take this lying down. I wouldn’t.
#12 by oknyua on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 1:34 pm
We try to find the best ways to help the students in this school. Jus legitiumum and Abraham suggested to publicise the case and name of the HM. Public protest is another suggestion by a few others.
In line with what we Bystander informed us, that this HM had just been transfered from Sabah, I suppose the best way is to publicise this case in the papers.
“Failure to understand the needs of adherents of other religions and denying them the rights runs counter to the spirit of the Federal Constitution.” Prime Minister, 2007.
Over to you YB Lim.
#13 by Godfather on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 1:41 pm
This is an isolated case of ‘Napoleonism” in that the principal herself decided to change certain things based on her principles and beliefs. I don’t think that it has been condoned by the Ministry of Education. There are obvious grounds of appeal e.g. writing to PIBG, the DG of MOE, etc. And of course, attending the next PIBG to let your voice be heard is as important.
We must all understand that under the Badawi regime, ol’ Big Ears thought that he was in the forefront of the biggest revolution since the Mahathir era. He thought that the opening up of “freedom” and the empowering of the chain of command to make decisions would compare him favourably against Mahathir. [Very recently, in one meeting which a friend of mine attended, Badawi was asked how come so many things are not moving forward in Bolehland, despite his constant promises of getting things done. His answer was "But I already approved all of these." In truth, he had forgotten for some cases, and he had not followed up at all on the rest of the cases.]
There is no system of command, no system of accountability, no system of responsibility. Everybody makes their own decisions, and it is just too bad if it does not conform with the national objective. Badawi doesn’t supervise his ministers, his ministers don’t supervise their DGs, their DGs don’t supervise their senior officers, their senior officers don’t supervise the others down the line. Even the despatch riders are not supervised anymore, with the “openness” that is being encouraged by Badawi. And every month, the civil service gets paid on time.
This is the sad state of affairs in Bolehland under this inept regime. Badawi probably modelled himself after Deng XiaoPing who proclaimed “Let a thousand flowers bloom” in the 80s to open up China, but sadly, Bolehland is already stinking from the rot of flowers indiscriminately thrown around.
#14 by anti-racism on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 2:05 pm
melurian says true, he should speak in bm coz this is malaysia. salute that muslim parent.
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Although this is Malaysia but knowing English in this developing world is important. I’ve notice Malays in Malaysia today,they communicate in Malay and Malay only. How are they going to face the developed world if they can’t speak a word of English?
#15 by 9to5 on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 2:28 pm
I have read somewhere that this school, being sited in an affluent area, has a majority of 85% non-malays.
Could it be that the malay HM is intent in retarding the culture, progress and creativity of the non-malays? It is strange indeed that anyone would discourage talents and marketability of its students. In doing so, the balance of the 15% malays are also affected negatively.
That’s the fallout of UMNO NEP and ketuanan melayu policies. Because of these policies, people are put into important positions not because of their competencies but their skin colour. These people are just not competent and because of that, people of all races, malays included, suffered through the lack of knowledge, creativity, service, etc.
We have incompetent and corrupt ministers, directors, officers who are put there because of their skin colour steal from the rakyat of all races or cause the country to lose money. In government hospitals, immigration departments, police departments, city councils, etc people of all races have to wait for hours to be served and face mounting red tapes and bureaucracies just because the administrators not of the best calibre are being promoted. We have CEOs of large GLC who are placed there not because of their calibres but colour cause the companies to lose monies big time so much so the companies have to be bailed out using the monies of the rakyat comprising of all races.
Rakyat of all races have to pay high prices for the purchase of cars, usage of water, electricity, internet, tolls, airfares, bus tickets, etc, etc, all because the people who manage these companies must come from a certain race and not because they are the best in their line of work!
In the end all races have to suffer because of this interference going against the law of nature.
#16 by sheriff singh on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 3:48 pm
Can someone post up her photo so we can see what this “Little Napoleoness” looks like? Anyone got her bio?
#17 by beedavid on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 5:05 pm
This HM came with a feared reputation. True to fears she has now instilled all these blockades which would otherwise make life in BUD4 enjoyable. Thankfully my daughter is in Form 5 and hopefully she can last the year there without encountering much nonsense. If so, I may have to yank her out and put her in a private school. I empathise with the majority non-Malay non-Muslim student population who has to put up with her unpopular rules. To think I almost wanted to transfer another daughter to this school…shudder the thought. Not in a million years with this HM on board.
I am in agreement with most of the comments posted but does anyone really believe this HM will log in here and read them. I think a formal protest must be made if things are getting intolerable there in BUD4. I hope some of the school’s PIBG committee members or teachers are reading this and if you do, kindly convey our ‘regards’ to this HM.
#18 by beedavid on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 5:07 pm
I also think that Sdr Lim Kit Siang being a champion of human rights as he is for most of us should voice this in his usual channels… Sdr Lim????
#19 by oknyua on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 5:20 pm
Sheriff singh, people are already in the other thread in front.
But I don’t want to see her face lah. If she is beautiful, I will start thinking all beautiful ladies are Napoleoness. If she is ugly, I will think all ugly ladies are also Napoleoness. (Take this as a joke).
Anyway all the commentators have moved to the other thread.
#20 by malaysiatoday.com on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 7:08 pm
RGRaj Says:
Today at 13: 28.21 (5 hours ago)
As a Muslim, the headmistress is religiously obliged to implement Islamic principals on her charges, Muslim or no.
But this doesn’t mean the affected parents should take this lying down. I wouldn’t.
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This is exactly the mindset of Malaysian Taliban.
This is secular school for all races, not your religious schools to produce potential suicide bombers, converting non-muslims, extremists, etc.
What happen if headmasters/misters from christian, buddhist, hindu, etc. also wanted to impose their values on muslim students under the disguise of religious obligation?
#21 by Yong Chee keong on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 7:15 pm
Want to improve Malay by reading the Bible also cannot because Government confiscate all malay bible from Indonesia because of the word Allah.
How to improve like that?
Now non-Malays should not sing State Anthems that have the word Allah.
Malays-Muslims cannot sing negaraku because the word there is Tuhan.
#22 by malaysiatoday.com on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 7:27 pm
DarkHorse Says:
The Malays learn the Koran by rote i.e. reciting Koranic verses without understanding them. They feel the Koran should not be translated because of the fear that verses would lose some of their meaning when translated – lost in translation.
Also it is the language of the Prophet.
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Reading Koran in arabic language may reduce translation error, but using malay in prayers shall be encouraged because people like me handicapped in arabic language (of course many malays also) bombarded with non-stop prayers can apprehend their meaning.
God does not prefer arabic language as Islamic official language. I believe Prophet Muhamad even encouraged muslims to learn chinese language as a tool of learning new knowledge from China.
#23 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 8:41 pm
It is not peculiar to Malaysia and the Malays as Muslims. The call to prayers heard all over the world from China to Africa to Europe and the United States is always in Arabic – the language of the Koran.
The Bible was originally in Hebrew, then translated to Greek and to English. Today there are King James Bible (KJB), the international version )KIV) Bible and a number of other translations. The Catholics use a Bible which has extra chapters than say KJB. Something is lost amidst all that translation.
The Bible is a compilation of some 26 books(?). The Koran is believed to be the words of God as delivered to the Prophet.
#24 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 8:47 pm
The Torah is in Hebrew a language spoken by Jews. Do you see translation of the Torah into another language? Being Jewish is to be part of a religious community. You can embrace Judaism but that does not make you a Jew. When you die they bury you in a non-Jewish cemetery even though your wife who was a Jew has earlier been buried in a Jewish cemetery.
I give you the facts. You can be your own judge.
#25 by Student4 on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 8:56 pm
If this continue, what will happen during Teacher Days?
1. Some student attack HM. (worst case senario)
2. one student stand up, start complain, cause an uproar in school.
3. Nobody ponteng school during that day.
4. all student except muslim tranfers school.
For every action, there is a reaction. Think before cause distrust in leadership in school.
#26 by alaneth on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 9:18 pm
All that happened and our Education Minister did nothing.
Imagine the worst if he is to take power some day as DPM & eventually PM…
Anwar as a previous Education Minister is so much better & respects all races & religions. He even quoted some good teachings of Confucius in a speech in UPM.
In the coming General Elections – I will definately vote for a party which upholds the rights of all Malaysians! I will continue my support for Anwar & DAP.
#27 by The Black Owl on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 9:45 pm
the new principle went to the canteen operator and told him that he was chinese, and she being an islam, is not supposed to eat his food?obviously if he’s providing food for us, his food is halal ryte?and if she’s so against eating food made by chinese, she can always go to the stall that the malay lady is in charge of and eat nasi lemak, nasi goreng and blablabla.dont eat what she dont want la.
#28 by jlshyang on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 9:56 pm
That debate about speaking English or BM is ridiculous. Blind patriotism. You need to be multilingual to live in this increasingly borderless and competitive world. Luckily, i have many progressive Malay friends who are against this ‘speak BM because this is Malaysia rationale’.
It is an advantage to know more languages. Malaysian Chinese are not born to speak Mandarin either. Why the cry of discrimination when companies put Mandarin as a requirement. That is something practical to do, China is booming, knowing Mandarin is an advantage.
I come from a national school and i don’t know any Mandarin but i know Mandarin is increasingly important. I am learning Mandarin now. Come on, don’t be naive and think the world revolves around Malaysia. It is no wonder such people are often not competitive in any field they enter, just rely on your government for contracts and money la. They don’t require you to speak any other language other than BM what. So be it.
You will only let your future generations suffer. Katak di bawah tempurung idiots la those ppl.
#29 by ylk001 on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 10:01 pm
I think the many cases of Malay Muslims unfairly asserting themselves and harassing non-Malay and non-Muslims in schools that came through the news is only the tip of the ice-berg.
I have my own story to relate and I hear of many more from others in Malaysia. My child used to attend a local school not too long ago. I have since put my child in a faraway school overseas at great expense and inconvenience. It tears my heart to have to do this but with our dilapidated education system, my other options are limited.
I do not mind all the doa and Islamic preaching stuff at assemblies and classrooms in school and the too many incompetent teachers who spend a tremendous among of time out of the classroom in numerous kursus during term time; the last straw was when they gathered a group of students in a classroom in pretext of a “motivasi” class and showed them graphics picture of the Iraq war – heads decapitated and bullet ridden bodies. Some students got emotional, frightened and cried and my child being the hardier type just looked, shocked. The speaker who is some religious person from some mosque scolded my child and a few other Chinese and Indians for being irreligious (i.e. non-Muslim) and immoral because they do not know how to pray to Allah. What are we teaching our children? I hope this is not the Islam religion as potrayed by this person. Islam is suppose to be peaceful and loving and just but what I am seeing in the actions of many of its followers in this country is just the opposite. What am I to think?
A group of us parents went to confront the headmaster but he was too cowardly to see us but sent his Chinese assistant instead. This should have gone into the news as well but I guess Star and NST where I wrote to was too cowardly to publish this.
I only hope our education system has left enough of our young people’s intelligence untouched to vote out this half past six government. They have allowed so much of the extremisms we have seen in the past two years to go unchecked in the first place.
Pak Lah … sudah lah. Cukup. Rakyat sekarang tak muhibbah and tak senang hati. Kalau tak rela mimpin dengan baik dan adil, sila turun.
#30 by dranony on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 10:24 pm
Darkhorse, your comment on Jan 17, 2008 at 20:41.14
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/01/17/more-about-smk-bud4-3/#comment-70540
shows a terrible understanding of the Bible.
I have no intention on engaging in a debate on the Bible with you here, but just wish to caution you that your remarks on the defects or deficiencies of the Bible, may attract reciprocal comments on other holy books, including your own.
I suggest we DON’T go down this road.
Upholding the principle of respectful reciprocity, ie expecting others to accept only what you would accept in return or if the situation were reversed, LET’S ALL return to the topic of this thread, ie the outrageous actions of HM of SMK BUD4, which are insensitive and lacking in mutual respect and mutual understanding.
#31 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:05 pm
Yes, I tend to agree with you. But which part of my comments suggest to you that I’m grossly deficient in the knowledge of the Bible?
#32 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:06 pm
ooops make that ‘about the Bible’ rather than ‘of the Bible’ thanks.
#33 by lhteoh on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:12 pm
School children are being brain washed over the last 10, 15 years and is getting worst now. Previously these issues were not made public and sweep under the carpet. Imagine what will happen when more and more of these younger generations that were not guided correctly in school completed their education and coming out into society. It is a time bomb waiting to happen!!!!!!!!!!!! Come this GE, I hope all parents will vote for the oppositions for the sake of their children and grand children.
#34 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:14 pm
Isn’t the Christian Bible not a single book but an anthology, a collection of many small books – some of them 4,000 years old and written by many writers at different times? Who wrote the Bible is still a mystery.
#35 by DarkHorse on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:30 pm
Am I wrong about the Bible comprising some 26 books or should it be 66 books – 39 books referred to as the Old Testament and 27 books referred to as the New Testament?
#36 by kwkean on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:38 pm
# bystander Says:
Today at 12: 06.56 (11 hours ago)
for those who dont have children studying in BU4 and are presumptious and prejudging like kwkean, fyi this is a new issue. it only started this year 2008. the students had talent how, cheerleading, lion dance in 2007. this religious bigot is imposing the ban from 2008 as she was just transferred last year from sabah. so pls dont jump the gun accusing parents of BU4 not taking action. pls have your facts before shooting your mouth.
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New issue? Which part of the world you are living?? It is new to that school but is it new in our country? No wonder we keep being marginalize by UMNO and it’s ‘penyangak’ thanks to people like you and your ignorance attitude. I don’t need you to teach me how to see this issue. If the parents had taken their action, why do they still want to complaint at the 1st place. Learn my boy, this world is not as naive as you.
#37 by Count Dracula on Thursday, 17 January 2008 - 11:41 pm
Boys, we don’t need another limkamput here!
#38 by BlackEye on Friday, 18 January 2008 - 12:22 am
Who is Limkamput?
#39 by chgchksg128 on Friday, 18 January 2008 - 12:43 am
Human like that …..she should shame as a muslim…..Allah shame with this kind of follower taht dont know to respect the others
#40 by dranony on Friday, 18 January 2008 - 7:56 am
Darkhorse, I don’t suggest that we go down the road of discussing the merits of one holy book versus another, at least not in this forum.
I’d be pleased to introduce you to resources where you can find out more, though, if you are so inclined.
btw, there is no KJB. there is no KIV.
Do conduct more research, and read about them yourself.
Truth will set you free.
#41 by damient on Friday, 18 January 2008 - 6:33 pm
Melurian, may i know then why are you not posting your question in malay?
it’s kinda ironic isn’t it?
#42 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 19 January 2008 - 3:09 am
“btw, there is no KJB. there is no KIV.
Do conduct more research, and read about them yourself.
Truth will set you free.” dranoy
KJB stands for King James Bible and NIV stands for New International Version.
I show a “terrible understanding of the Bible” because you fail to read what KJB stands for? (KIV should read NIV – typo error).
What have I said here that leads you to your conclusion:
“The Bible was originally in Hebrew, then translated to Greek and to English. Today there are King James Bible (KJB), the international version )KIV) Bible and a number of other translations. The Catholics use a Bible which has extra chapters than say KJB. Something is lost amidst all that translation.
The Bible is a compilation of some 26 books(?). The Koran is believed to be the words of God as delivered to the Prophet.”
I am curious to know.
#43 by dranony on Saturday, 19 January 2008 - 9:25 am
Darkhorse,
King James Bible is referred to as KJV Bible, not KJB.
There is no KIV, but there is a NIV, which I’m sure you’ve googled by now. Typo, perhaps? The letters “K” and “N” are not juxtaposed on the keyboard. Since you did not state “New International Version,” I ‘d thought you may not have known that it is called that, leading you to not use “N”IV. My apologies if you did know it.
The Bible is not made up of 26 books. Typo again, perhaps? Sorry for my thinking otherwise earlier.
The Bible is also God-inspired, according to Christian tradition.
Interestingly, Sura 29:46 of the Quran seems to imply that the Scriptures of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) are also to be believed, just as the Quran is to be believed.
“We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters.”
peace be unto you. (hope PakLah doesn’t decide that it is illegal for me to say that!)
#44 by kaybeegee on Saturday, 19 January 2008 - 9:42 am
Darkhorse, you must be a believer of the Koran and what it stands for. Try not to indulge in commenting on other peoples’ scriptures unless you are prepared to expose the shortcomings of your holy book as seen by people who chose not to believe in your holy book.
You and the Guru Besars of many schools who read the Koran are now answering your religion’s call to propagate your religion amongst us Kafirs(proud to be one) and our children. May I ask you, if your God whose name I cant mention is Almighty why than are we born Muslim and non Muslim? not to forget that here in Bolihland the corrupt and the non corrupt? The bumis and the non bumis,? Why? Why not your Almighty God just make everybody born immediately a Muslim? Yes you will say we are all born Muslims, but why does your God make us have to go through life to seek your God out whilst you born privileged dont have to?
It is nice to have a later book because you have seen what was before your book? Just as we can now sit down and criticise or review all BOOKs that have been written? Yes my non Muslim mind can read books of other religions, yours?
#45 by dranony on Saturday, 19 January 2008 - 10:08 am
guys, this is NOT the proper forum for this…
Let’s NOT go down this road…
Do not debate… do not argue…
least of all here.
#46 by kaybeegee on Saturday, 19 January 2008 - 1:43 pm
dranony. What has to be said has to be said.
It is related to the issue. Guru Besars trying to impose their values on others. And it all has to do with religion. They cant be seen to be encouraging values which are not the same as theirs.
But we keep our discussion healthy.
I too have complaints to make about the way Guru Besars are running our schools but since I cant change the system, I try to mitigate the damage that they do to my children’s minds.
We reinforce our religious values to our kids each night.
We remind them that every time there is a doa selamat, they are to say the Lord’s Prayer.Every time there is a talk in school on any religion which is not ours they listen one ear and out another.
My kids are taught to respect other religions and also those who choose not to have religions.
Can the Guru Besars do this in school?
This is where we find out from discussion the mind set and mentality of our civil servants and fellow Malaysians. Let there be discussion and debate. After all which sermon of any religion in propogating itself does not condemn the other? The discussion whether KJB or Koran is healthy. I am prepared to open my religious book and invite another to discuss but allow me to have two way traffic.
#47 by Colonel on Monday, 21 January 2008 - 7:14 am
I think you guys got it wrong. DarkHorse is Christian. He said so earlier.
#48 by Colonel on Monday, 21 January 2008 - 7:26 am
dranony,
So poster is mistaken about initials and number of books in the Bible. So what is your point??
Darkhorse made some observations, not judgments etc and you said he has “a terrible understanding” of the Bible implying that you have a better understanding. But yet your only claim to a better understanding is to say he is wrong about initials and number of books!
He is not going down any road like you suggest but merely responding to an earlier post! Since he is Christian and presumably you are too, then it is not a clash of religions. Why are you calling posters “not to go down this road” What road are you talking about?
#49 by BoDo Singh on Monday, 21 January 2008 - 7:53 am
Bible is not one book, but a compilation of 27 and 39 books if I’m not mistaken. Doubt if dranony knows that.
#50 by BoDo Singh on Monday, 21 January 2008 - 7:58 am
“The Bible is a compilation of some 26 books(?).” DarkHorse
DarkHorse did put a question mark after 26. [deleted]