At 20:56,19 hours yesterday, on my thread “Songkok compulsory wear for JB English College prefects”, a blog visitor left the following posting:
However, as far as the “EC prefect wearing songkok issue” is concerned, I am surprised that no one has yet posted that the issue has been resolved amicably as the headmaster himself has announced today during an emergency prefects meeting that it is NOT compulsory for the prefects to wear the songkok for whatever function or duty.
This morning, I phoned and spoke to the principal of Maktab Sultan Abu Bakar (formerly English College) Johor Bahru, Haji Zulkifli bin Mahmood and he confirmed the veracity of the posting on my blog – that he had announced that it is not compulsory for school prefects to wear the songkok for whatever function or duty.
I welcome the return to sanity, as the compulsory imposition of the songkok issue has attracted considerable flak and traffic on my blog with three threads and 359 comments in four days, viz:
1. Songkok compulsory wear for JB English College prefects (11.1.08) – 133 comments
2. Songkok made compulsory – latest in series of insensitivities usurping “middle ground” (11.1.08) – 87 comments
3. Suspend “Little Napoleons” school principals who trample on rights and sensitivities of plural Malaysia (12.1.08) – 139 comments
I commend the parent of the school prefect who not only gave full support to his son, a Form Five student who had been a prefect since he was Form Two, to stand firm on principle to the extent of being prepared to resign as school prefect and for bringing this issue into public domain to bring public pressure to end abuses and misuses of power and rank disregard of the legitimate rights and sensitivities of all communities and religions in plural Malaysia.
The lesson here is clear – Malaysians must stand up for their fundamental and constitutional rights as citizens of a plural nation as nobody will stand up for them unless they are prepared to come forward to speak and cry out against excesses and abuses of power. If they do so, they can be assured of the support of right-thinking middle-ground moderate Malaysians – and this blog is dedicated to defend our fundamental constitutional citizenship rights.
#1 by melurian on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:32 pm
that guy later days in skool will be hard one, it’s no longer the same. i suggest that guy better move out before something sinister would happen…
#2 by Godfather on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:36 pm
I don’t think that we should adopt such an alarmist attitude as suggested by melurian. My Malay friends are generally surprised by the “opposition” to the wearing of the songkok at official functions for they constantly see non-Muslims wearing them at swearing-ins, royal functions, etc. They can’t understand what the fuss is all about, although most of them are in agreement that if you don’t like to wear it, then don’t.
#3 by Luther on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:45 pm
wearing Songkok or whatever is not a question, but the illed motive behind it is what matter most.most of the time a race and /or religion and culture is nothing wrong but the human being who behind all these fuss is a difficulty and never ending.
#4 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:47 pm
“….//…The lesson here is clear – Malaysians must stand up for their fundamental and constitutional rights as citizens of a plural nation as nobody will stand up for them unless they are prepared to come forward to speak and cry out against excesses and abuses of power. If they do so, they can be assured of the support of right-thinking middle-ground moderate Malaysians – and this blog is dedicated to defend our fundamental constitutional citizenship rights…//…” – YB Kit
Thank you. That is why we visit, read and take time to make contributions to this Blog. the outcome like the reversal of decision in Maktab Sultan Abu Bakar (formerly English College) makes it all worthwhile.
I end with a statement often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States (1801–1809) and the principal author of the American Declaration of Independence (1776) -”Lethargy is the forerunner of death to the public liberty…It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to
the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he breaks, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” :)
#5 by bennylohstocks on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:52 pm
The opposition is around 24/7 online…
http://malaysiancartoons.blogspot.com/2008/01/peepartys-slee-pee-head-malaysiakini.html
#6 by k1980 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 1:59 pm
Does this reversal by the principal has anything to do with the survey taht Abdullah’s approval ratings after the Hindraf Rally have plunged to the all-time low of 61%?
The results have emerged in the latest Merdeka Centre poll survey, conducted nationwide with a skew towards Klang Valley sampling.
http://www.jeffooi.com/2008/01/abdullahs_approval_rating_plun.php
#7 by gofortruth on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:00 pm
It does make sense not wearing it except for special national public functions otherwise if a non Malay donne with a songkok is found eating pork in a hawker stall it would be mistakenly viewed as a provocation that could lead to racial disaster!!!
#8 by sebol on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:04 pm
Saya juga kadangkala hairan, apa istimewanya tali leher dan kot, selain dari ianya adalah kesan peninggalan penjajah.
Songkok melayu mengikut spesifikasi istana adalah jauh lebih baik drpd Tali leher penjajah. sekurang2nya menunjukkan identiti raja.
Songkok 3.5 inci adalah mengikut spesifikasi istana, ketika hari raya, walaupun ramai orang menjual songkok, namun kebanyakkannya ialah 3 inci, nak cari 3.5 inci ikut spesifikasi istana agak susah.
Adakalanya saya tidak faham pada golongan cina.
Apabila ianya Inggeris, maka ia dianggap “standard”, walhal Inggeris adalah bukan idenitti bangsa cina.
Akan tetapi apabila menggunakan identiti Melayu, cepat pula nak melenting.
Jika orang Cina nak jadi Inggeris, tak perlu memaksa orang bukan cina untuk jadi Inggeris.
Begitu juga soal bahasa.
Bila Menteri Melayu nak ajar sains dan matematik dalam Inggeris, kenapa pula nak paksa pelajar cina untuk diinggeriskan.
Apabila pada tahun baru cina, identiti bangsa seperti pakaian tradisional cina diganti dengan pakaian barat, tolong lah jangan persoalkan kenapa orang melayu pakai baju melayu dan orang india memakai sari.
Di sini saya nak cuba sampaikan, bahawa Identiti bangsa perlu dikekalkan, walaupun orang cina, berbangsa malaysia, akan tetapi bila mengikut sistem beraja, maka janganlah dilabel pakaian itu sebagai ianya pakaian kaum tertentu.
Tahun baru cina yang akan datang, saya harap lebih ramai kaum cina berpakaian tradisional cina, berbanding dengan pakaian barat, pakaian penjajah.
Nampak pelik juga, pakaian kaum seMalaysia diperlekeh, pakaian penjajah disanjung. Saya sendiri pakai pakai tradisional cina pada tahun baru cina, namun itu tidak menghilangkan identiti saya sebagai Melayu.
Jika pengawas cina memakai songkok berspesifikasi Instana, maka anggaplah diri sebagai rakyat yang taat pada Raja.
Tapi jangan lah pula memakai songkok versi tinggi lebih dari 4 inci kerana itu spefisikasi UMNO :)
Jadi kalau nak beli songkok, sila beli yang 3.5 inci, jangan beli 3 inci, jangan beli 4 inci atau lebih.
#9 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:11 pm
SONGKOK MAKER,
HAJA MOHIDIN
157, King Street (11 am – 5pm)
Songkok is an oval shaped religious headgear worn by Muslim men to complement the traditional Malay costume, especially during prayers and other religious ceremonies. It was first introduced by traders and migrants from various Muslim countries along with the less popular headgears such as Tarbus and Kopiah. The songkok that Haja Mohidin makes is adapted from the Acheh variation since his business back then were catered primarily to the large Acehnese settlers and Haj Pilgrims in Penang.
http://magazine.virtualmalaysia.com/content.cfm/ID/F5839374-41E4-4322-8932579624B5B292
#10 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:14 pm
“You know, we ustazs, we always wear songkok or kopiah and baju melayu. I tell you, when kids see us they run off. They don’t want to hear religious lectures. If I’m them, I wouldn’t either. So! I’m thinking of wearing a tee-shirt, jeans and a baseball cap, go to Pantai Batu Burok… and hang out with the boys there. Talk to them. Soft approach. But when I tell my friends this they think it’s cracked.”
http://www.malaysiakini.com/rentakini/54556
#11 by Cinapek on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:28 pm
I spoke to my sister who happens to know the Pegetua of MSAB about this songkok issue and she says as far as she knows, the Pengetua is not that type of extremist “little Napoleons”. To be fair to the man, he may not be the person who issued the instruction because in the words of the parent who wrote to YB Lim:
“….there was an instruction from the school, which I believe came from the teacher advisor to the Prefectorial Board,……”
….it seems to indicate that the instructions came from the teacher advisor and it could have been issued without the prior knowledge of the Pengetua. If this is true, giving credit where credit is due, the Pengetua should be commended for his quick action to nullify such silly instructions given by equally silly people.
#12 by Libra2 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:32 pm
“I welcome the return to sanity……”
Very good choice of words. There is too much of insanity around with the prohibition of the word “Allah” topping the list.
When will the others return to sanity?
#13 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:47 pm
sebol Says:
Jika pengawas cina memakai songkok berspesifikasi Instana, maka anggaplah diri sebagai rakyat yang taat pada Raja.
Yo man…i reply u in BM since ur comment is in BM.. memandangkan kamu berpendirian bahawa “Jika pengawas cina memakai songkok berspesifikasi Instana, maka anggaplah diri sebagai rakyat yang taat pada Raja”..adakah kamu pernah terfikir apa akan terjadi jika seorang pelajar CINA yang disangkakan seorang pelajar Melayu melanggar tata-tertib agama Islam?..erm..contohnya..makan makanan yang dilarang oleh orang Melayu?..Apa akan terjadi?..Saya berpendapat bahawa memakai songkok bukanlah melanggar peraturan atau seseorang yang tidak memakai songkok tidak semestinya suatu perkara yang tidak taat kepada Raja?…Sebenarnya masyarakat Malaysia yang terlalu konservatif dalam sesuatu perkara yang remeh temeh..Bolehkan saya bertanya..berapa sahabat anda yang berbangsa cina memakai songkok?..
#14 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:51 pm
Pembetulan:
adakah kamu pernah terfikir apa akan terjadi jika seorang pelajar CINA yang disangkakan seorang pelajar Melayu memakai songkok dan melanggar tata-tertib agama Islam
sebol Says:
Jika pengawas cina memakai songkok berspesifikasi Instana, maka anggaplah diri sebagai rakyat yang taat pada Raja
–> Berapa sahabat melayu di sini yang memakai “SONGKOK BERSPESIFIKASI ISTANA”? maksudnya songkok 3 inci menunjukkan rasa tidak taat kepada Raja? Seperti yang kamu nyatakan bahawa bukan senang untuk mendapatkan Songkok berspesifikasi istana iaitu 3inci..
#15 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:54 pm
Cinapek Says:
“….there was an instruction from the school, which I believe came from the teacher advisor to the Prefectorial Board,……â€
….it seems to indicate that the instructions came from the teacher advisor and it could have been issued without the prior knowledge of the Pengetua. If this is true, giving credit where credit is due, the Pengetua should be commended for his quick action to nullify such silly instructions given by equally silly people
Hi there..since he is the headmaster of the school, he takes “FULL RESPONSIBLE” for any instructions given out..it is because the teacher advisor is all under the Headmaster…any mistakes or fault by the teacher advisor or teacher..the headmaster need to be responsible..you get what i mean?
#16 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:56 pm
Godfather made a point that most of his Malay friends are surprised at the ‘opposition’ of the songkok. The surprise is that Godfather is still surprise that the his Malay friend are surprise.
The white men also were surprised when people started obejcting to buying Africans and bring them to the ‘civilised’ world where they did not starve. It took a civil war in America to settle a legal issue and decades of civil rights moments to make an entire society understand.
#17 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:01 pm
adakah kamu pernah terfikir apa akan terjadi jika seorang pelajar CINA yang disangkakan seorang pelajar Melayu memakai songkok dan melanggar tata-tertib agama Islam – disapointed86
In Jln. Tuanku Abdul Rahman I and a turban wearing Sikh Bank Officer were having lunch at the famous nasi kandar one fasting month. Then we noticed a turban wearing malay staring at the Sikh whose back was turned. He made a hasty getaway when the Sikh turned around to face him.
If that could happen, then disapointed86`s question is answered.
#18 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:02 pm
Sebol says:
Akan tetapi apabila menggunakan identiti Melayu, cepat pula nak melenting.
Jika orang Cina nak jadi Inggeris, tak perlu memaksa orang bukan cina untuk jadi Inggeris
i believe your statement is too naive..thats why Malay never move forward if everyone thinks like what you think…no doubt not all the aspects of the west we need to adopt..but if its good its not wrong to practise it…You said that u wear chinese constume during Chinese New Year..Yes, as long as you’re willing…the problem happen few days ago is “THE PREFECTs in Maktab Sultan Abu Bakar (formerly English College) Johor Bahru are COMPULSARY to wear SOngkok……
#19 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:07 pm
Tickler Says:
In Jln. Tuanku Abdul Rahman I and a turban wearing Sikh Bank Officer were having lunch at the famous nasi kandar one fasting month. Then we noticed a turban wearing malay staring at the Sikh whose back was turned. He made a hasty getaway when the Sikh turned around to face him.
If that could happen, then disapointed86`s question is answered
sorry to interupt, can u clariy what u mean?..as for my statement above…i mean is that what happen if a chinese guy wearing Songkok eating pork or “berkhalwat” in public..its not against the chinese tata-tertib..and i believe the muslim in Malaysia are forbidden to touch dogs rite…?
#20 by Libra2 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:10 pm
Cinapek argued the issue very well with Sebol.
Lets look at this scenario.
Asume every Chinese and Indian males start wearing the songkok on all occasions – in the pub, in karaoke lounges, in the pork market or Chinese restaurant or appear on TV with a bear can in his hand.
Now what will the Malays say? There will be a huge hue and cry that the Chinese and Indians are abusing the songkok and insulting Malay culture.
Then will come a law to prohibit non-Malays from wearing the songkok.
Got the drift, Sebol??????????? that is if you understand English.
#21 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:14 pm
Libra2 Says:
Asume every Chinese and Indian males start wearing the songkok on all occasions – in the pub, in karaoke lounges, in the pork market or Chinese restaurant or appear on TV with a bear can in his hand.
Laugh Out Loud…Hishamudin takes out his Keris, kiss it and point to you at a very evil look…
#22 by grace on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:23 pm
Godfather said:My Malay friends are generally surprised by the “opposition†to the wearing of the songkok at official functions for they constantly see non-Muslims wearing them at swearing-ins, royal functions, etc. They can’t understand what the fuss is all about, although most of them are in agreement that if you don’t like to wear it, then don’t.
Come on, it is stated clearly that school uniform does not include wearing a songkok. Why this addition of head gear ? And on top of that some one had said it is the motive behind theaction. And for those non Malays wearing songkok at swearing-ins or royal function, I believe they were already informed of the attire . Similarly our athletes or sportsmen had to wear songkok during opening ceremony of sporting events. They already knew what they are in for.
BUT FOR SCHOOL UNIFORM, IT IS DEFINITELY NO!!!
#23 by dranony on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:27 pm
Sekiranya pemakaian tali leher and kot dianggap sebagai lambang penindasan atau warisan penjajah, tidakkah pemakaian songkok mungkin dianggap sebagai lambang penindasan suatu kaum ke atas kaum yang lain, apa lagi apabila pemakaiannya dipaksa atau diwajibkan, bukan cuma digalakkan?
Tidakkah saudara Sebol terperasan bahwa banyak dari tindakan-tindakan yang dianggap sebagai menindas budaya dan kepercayaan serta pegangan-pegangan kaum minoriti negara kita yang semakin menjadi-jadi baru-baru ini, sebenarnya diusulkan oleh “Little Napoleon” (atau mungkin lebih tepat lagi, “maharajalela”) dan bukan usul dari Raja-Raja sendiri?
Apakah golongan “little Napoleon” ini telah menganggap diri mereka sebagai golongan yang lebih berkuasa dari Raja-Raja, hinggakan memperkenalkan usul-usul yang menindas kaum-kaum minoriti, masakan Raja-Raja sendiri tidak bermaksud demikian?
Sepertimana yang telah ditulis oleh JB EC Parent, mungkin juga ada kebaikannya sekiranya pemakaian songkok tidak dipaksa ke atas kaum bukan Melayu, supaya tradisi songkok dijadikan perkara remeh-temeh.
Kaum bukan-Melayu mungkin tidak dapat menjaga keutuhan atau kehormatan yang patut diberi kepada tradisi songkok, sepertimana yang dilakukan oleh kaum Melayu.
Kaum bukan-Melayu mungkin bertanya, “Apakah salahnya meminum arak semasa memakai songkok?”
“Apakah salahnya berjudi atau memakan babi atau bercumbu-cumbuan semasa memakai songkok?”
“Apakah salahnya menyembah di dalam kuil-kuil semasa bersongkok?”
Sebenarnya, negara kita yang bermasyarakat majmuk, yang terdiri dari berbagai kaum, patut bangga dengan keharmonian berbilang kaum, and patut menjauhi dari usul-usul atau tindakan-tindakan yang bersifat atau berbau penindasan.
Sekiranya tidak dipaksa orang bukan Melayu memakai songkok, tetapi cuma digalakkan, kemungkinan orang bukan Melayu akan menghormati tradisi songkok.
#24 by smeagroo on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:29 pm
If some non-muslims are wearing songkoks dont mean they can force the practice on others.
BUt lately there are lots of such issues and then they come out like heroes to the non-muslims when they acted lenient. IN the end, the ppl are so thankful.
But hey, what is there to be thankful for when the mess was created by them?
Always needed some numbskulls to come up with silly ideas then some Ministers will come out and chide the numbskulls abit and the rakyat will vote them back.
Pc of crap!
#25 by Luther on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:38 pm
I like the comment: If every non malay wearing songkok and doing something some of our malay friend dislike of , what will happen huh ?? I think God also don’t know what to do.
#26 by optimuz on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 3:58 pm
to answer sebol…
Jika tujuan sebenar pemakaian songkok it semata-mata bagi melambangkan identiti raja atau bangsa (malaysia), saya rasa tidak akan wujud rasa bimbang atau sangsi dari kaum bukan melayu.
Akan tetapi, berdasarkan insiden2 yang makin lama makin banyak dan melampau, di mana usaha untuk menegakkan prinsip2 ‘Islam’ (sila ambil perhatian pada tanda sebelum dan selepas perkataan), apa yang saya gelar ‘subtle Islamization’, maka, tidak hairan terdapat ramai yang melenting dan menentang perbuatan tersebut.
Jika tujuan itu ikhlas, tidak akan ada yang sangsi…tapi hakikatnya semua ini ada ‘udang di sebalik batu’.
#27 by jus legitimum on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:07 pm
As long as the majority race respects and recognises the rights of the minority races,then there will not be problem like the compulsory wearing of songkok at JEC.If we really desire to have a peaceful and harmonious society,the majority race should discard their ‘ketuanan’ and ‘arrogance’ mindset.They should not use their racial and religious influence to intimidate the minorities.
#28 by sebol on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:15 pm
>Asume every Chinese and Indian males start wearing the songkok on all
>occasions – in the pub, in karaoke lounges, in the pork market or Chinese
>restaurant or appear on TV with a bear can in his hand.
>Now what will the Malays say? There will be a huge hue and cry that the Chinese
>and Indians are abusing the songkok and insulting Malay culture.
>Then will come a law to prohibit non-Malays from wearing the songkok.
>Got the drift, Sebol??????????? that is if you understand English.”
It’s just the same like looking people wearing tie to pub and disco.
maybe it just become like ronggeng or joget lambak.
#29 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:25 pm
sorry to interupt, can u clariy what u mean?…as for my statement above…i mean is that what happen if a chinese guy wearing Songkok eating pork or “berkhalwat†in public..its not against the chinese tata-tertib..and i believe the muslim in Malaysia are forbidden to touch dogs rite…? – disappointed 86
Yes you are right. You illustrate exactly what happened to my true story. The turban wearing malay, immediately saw the turban wearing sikh as a muslim eating during the puasa month as an insult to islam without thinking further than that.
Very similar to what you say, in fact in full support of that. I have another friend of mixed Indian/Chinese parentage looks malay, and during fasting month has had to pruce his ic a few times for the religous militia.
#30 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:26 pm
typo: 2nd last line `pruce` should be `produce`
#31 by sebol on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:33 pm
>sorry to interupt, can u clariy what u mean?…as for my statement above…
>i mean is that what happen if a chinese guy wearing Songkok eating pork
>or “berkhalwat†in public..its not against the chinese tata-tertib..and i
>believe the muslim in Malaysia are forbidden to touch dogs rite…?
It’s not hard to say, “Maaf encik, saya bukan Islam”.
something similar happened to Baba community who speak like Malay, look like Malay but not muslim.
#32 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:35 pm
I`ve no comments on this one:
http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/01/malay-punks-in-terengganus-hadhari.html
#33 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:39 pm
It’s not hard to say, “Maaf encik, saya bukan Islamâ€. sebol
It is easier to produce the ic to prove that one is not one. But it`ll be easier to stop non malays wearing one (just as proscribing the word `Al lah) so muslims don`t get insulted.
#34 by sebol on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:50 pm
Tickler:
please dont generalize what UMNO did as what muslim usually did.
#35 by Jong on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:57 pm
Wha’alah, ….”I welcome return to sanity..”
and a breath of fresh air!
#36 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 4:57 pm
I dunno what you mean by generalize. Maybe I`ve eaten more salt than you. Comprende? Or are you asking for PAS examples. Oso got. And I think it`s underhand to say that UMNO members are not muslims except for exceptions like those in the Portuguese settlement.
#37 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:02 pm
Come to think of it the Portuguese Settlement citizens are bumiputras, not UMNO members.
#38 by Captain on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:07 pm
disapointed86 Says:
“adakah kamu pernah terfikir apa akan terjadi jika seorang pelajar CINA yang disangkakan seorang pelajar Melayu memakai songkok dan melanggar tata-tertib agama Islam”
Ini sudah lebih dari salah fahamlah fasal Islam. Kepiah ni juga sinonim dengan agama yahudi dan hindu pun. Jadi pasal apa kita nak jadi marah? Pakai kepiah tidak wajib pun….
Hello friends… Actually songkok, turban or caps in whatever form has nothing to do with religion. There is no where in the Quran that says Songkok, headgear or cap is an Islamiic dress. But Jews find them in their holy book and they take them very seriously.
Actually it has more to do with tradition than with religion. Many tradition adopted it like the royalty, not only in the malay achipelago but also in the arab, chinese, indian and european courts. So if a school or any organization for that matter likes to adopt them, whats wrong with it? It is only a dress.
If any mislim wants to be sensitive about it, I have only one simple question. Did Nabi Mohamed s.a.w. wear a songkok? So anybody who is making it a issue is only making a storm in a cup.
#39 by Godfather on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:13 pm
Tolerance cuts both ways, and from the comments of many on this blog, I would suggest that the Muslim community is not the only ones that are guilty of extremism.
I agree that the wearing of the songkok should not be compulsory, and so do most of my Muslim friends. However, if some non-Muslims don’t find it offensive by wearing it at official functions, who are we to say that wearing it is wrong for non-Muslims ? This is exactly what the Muslims are perplexed about. The non-Muslim parties within BN don’t make a meal out of this issue, but the Chinese Opposition does. The ABSOLUTE minority makes a meal out of this issue. How do you expect the moderate Malays to vote Opposition if they happen to be sitting on the fence ? What kind of tolerance levels do we have that we see a shadow behind every action ?
#40 by dranony on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:18 pm
sebol, kiranya songkok itu lambang kesetiaan kepada raja dan negara, kenapa songkok tidak dipakai oleh kebanyakan orang Melayu pada Hari Keputeraan Agung dan Sultan, dan juga pada Hari Merdeka?
Sebaliknya, songkok lebih dipakai pada Hari Jumaat, Hari Raya AidilFitri dan AidilAdha.
#41 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:33 pm
However, if some non-Muslims don’t find it offensive by wearing it at official functions, who are we to say that wearing it is wrong for non-Muslims ? – Godfather
I don`t think we are talking about it being right or wrong. What is at stake is to enforce what is a commonly accepted religous identity on others. If someone wears it of his own free will then it is up to that individual.
I`ve seen chinese and indian females wearing sarong kebaya – no problemo. But I do not like it when non muslims have to wear tudung.
#42 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:36 pm
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How do you expect the moderate Malays to vote Opposition if they happen to be sitting on the fence ? What kind of tolerance levels do we have that we see a shadow behind every action ? – Godfather
So the solution is to enforce the songkok on non muslims then? That would be tolerance is it? Raja Petra had a comment to the effect that `tolerance is when I let my neigbours dogs sh_it on my lawn`. That makes sense too.
#43 by Godfather on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:41 pm
Nobody is suggesting that there is enforcement on the wearing of the songkok on non-Muslims. You still have a choice. Look at it from the point of the Muslims. For every one of you who believe that the wearing of the songkok at official functions is wrong (or a gradual erosion of your rights) then don’t go for the official functions. Don’t be a prefect. Don’t be a datuk. There are countless others who are willing to do so because they are not offended by it.
#44 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:46 pm
There I have to agree with you.
But what happens on the day when all school going children have to wear one. Do they stop going to school?
#45 by smeagroo on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:46 pm
Sebol is another numbskulls.
Maybe abt time the chinese schools enforce a ruliong for all chinese girls to start wearing cheongsam now. And i know ltos of malay students studying in chinese schools now.
HOW ABT THAT?
#46 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:47 pm
Why lah. Dare to be different.
#47 by valt76 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:47 pm
Tolerance is when I do allow my neighbour to have a dog all tho I am scared of them….let it shit on my lawn it is not an act of tolerance it is mere submission…
O.T. (to Uncle Lim attention)
A few days ago I read on Star a comment from Najb abt the DAP proposal of reverting Petronas profits into subside the fuel cost.
He said that Malaysia’s oil sources will cease by the year 2010 and the country will turn from exporter to importer.
Didi I read or understood well? Is that correct? I am still thinking that it was a typo or I misread it…..
#48 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:51 pm
I don`t see sebol as a numbskull. He`s got a point of view. That`s all.
#49 by disapointed86 on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:53 pm
sebol Says:
Today at 16: 33.35 (1 hour ago)
>sorry to interupt, can u clariy what u mean?…as for my statement above…
>i mean is that what happen if a chinese guy wearing Songkok eating pork
>or “berkhalwat†in public..its not against the chinese tata-tertib..and i
>believe the muslim in Malaysia are forbidden to touch dogs rite…?
It’s not hard to say, “Maaf encik, saya bukan Islamâ€.
something similar happened to Baba community who speak like Malay, look like Malay but not muslim.
Read the above senario….lols..if TOday u wear songkok bercumbu-cumbuan / eating pork in public..yo man..i believe to the MUSLIM community, a person with songkok is 100% muslim..coem on man stop it..u cant clasify it to be COMPULSARY…wat happen if u make wearing cheongsam to be made compulsary to all ladies in government sector + non-gov sector..i believe the Muslim also doenst like it?
#50 by Tickler on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 5:53 pm
OT but just saw this:
In another development, former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad will testify at the royal commission tomorrow.
http://justice4allkuantan.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/malaysiakiniexpert-lingam-clip-authentic/
Should be interesting that.