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By: My take on "Allah" « Siling Kaca

My take on "Allah" « Siling Kaca — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:19:53 +0000

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By: My take on “Allah” « spazuhm

My take on “Allah” « spazuhm — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:08:01 +0000

By: lo

lo — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:03:08 +0000

Sebenarnya kalimah “Allah” tidak terdapat dalam kitab Taurat atau Talmud Hebrew atau kitab Injil Kristian dalam bahasa Latin, Greek atau bahasa-bahasa Eropah. Nama bagi Tuhan dalam bahasa yahudi ialah “Yahweh”, yang diterjemahkan kepada bahasa Inggeris sebagai “Jehovah”.

Dalam kitab Injil, Jesus (Isa) dan God adalah sama. Tidak ada kalimah Allah dalam kitab Injil dalam bahasa-bahasa yang disebut di atas.

Dalam usaha menerangkan agama Kristian di kalangan orang Islam atau masyarakat yang mahir dengan agama Islam, perkataan God diterjemah kepada “Allah” supaya mudah difaham oleh pendengar.

Mungkin juga kalimah “Allah” dapat menyamakan agama Kristian dengan agama Islam kerana menyembah Tuhan yang sama. Dengan ini penerimaan agama Kristian oleh orang Islam boleh jadi lebih mudah. Terjemahan ini salah. Sepatutnya perkataan “Tuhan” digunakan untuk God.

Tetapi dalam agama Kristian terdapat konsep “Trinity” yang mana terdapat “God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Ghost”. Jika dalam bahasa Melayu terdapat dalam kitab Injil atau syarahan berkenaan “Allah sebagai Bapak, Allah sebagai Anak dan Roh yang Suci”, maka tentulah ini akan ditentang oleh orang Islam. Dalam Islam Allah tidak ada bapak, tidak ada anak. Ia tidak dilahirkan dan Ia tidak melahirkan sesiapa. Allah hanya satu. Ia tidak boleh disekutu dengan sesiapa.

Di Amerika Syarikat, orang Kristian yang sudah tidak teguh iman biasa berkata dan menulis, “God is dead”. Apakah perasaan orang Islam apabila ini diganti dengan “Allah is dead”?

By: Not spoon fed

Not spoon fed — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:44:40 +0000

The power of prayer is so great if you pray all together in a church that a Christian CM would head Sarawak.

2008 is a revival year. Miracles would happen.

By: Yong Chee keong

Yong Chee keong — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:01:32 +0000

Let us tell our children not to sing any State Anthem which has the word Allah. If HM asks why, Cabinet decision.
The Rukun Negara does not apply to Muslims since there is the word Tuhan and not Allah.
Islam Hadhari does not apply to non-Muslims since the first principle is belief in Allah.
What happens to Christians and Sikhs in Sabah and Sarawak since they used the word even before joining Malaysia? If they were told of this earlier, maybe they would not have joined the Federation. This is especially true of Sarawak as they are a christian majority state – and maybe it is time to have a christian CM.

By: greenacre

greenacre — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:57:14 +0000

Jeffry…thanks
That is the reason I left it readers. If there is any truth to aka social contract, then that must be able to strike it down ..if ever.

By: hedonese

hedonese — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:19:49 +0000

Election time – UMNO needs to play the racial, Islam card lagiâ€¦ Sighâ€¦ I think this time, the rakyat in East Malaysia really need to show ‘em that we will not accept such parochial politics…

A friend of mine wrote: â€œThe Malayan Declaration of Independence (1957) provides an outstanding example of how common usage of â€˜Allahâ€™ builds mutual understanding. The Declaration of Independence begins with the phrase â€œDengan nama Allah yang Maha Pemurah lagi Mengasihani, segala puji bagi Allah yang Maha Berkuasa.â€ The Declaration continues to affirm an agreement between the Queen and the Malay Rulers whereby Malaya was granted Independence. Obviously, the Declaration assumes that both the Queen of England (who is the head of Christianity in England) and the Malay Rulers could appeal to the same supreme God (â€˜Allahâ€™) to ratify their agreement. The Deputy Minister ought to take note that there was no hint of any confusion regarding the Independence granted to Malaya.â€

By: Evenmind

Evenmind — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:15:11 +0000

Well, firstly the morons monopolized the country’s economy , by taking a hugh pie for themselves, what now ? they want to monopolize God (Allah) as well ??

By: Jeffrey

Jeffrey — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:06:00 +0000

greenacre : Article 4 striking down any “law” after Merdeka which is inconsistent with the Constitution cannot strike down and invalidate sub-clause (4) of Article 11 (even though it came about via amendment subsequent to Merdeka) because, after amendment sub-clause (4) of Article 11 becomes part of the Constitution and no more a subordinate “law” conflicting with the Constitution.

By: kanthanboy

kanthanboy — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:16:22 +0000

Is it not true that all decisions made by the Cabinet must be unanimous? If the rule still stands then the Cabinet decision to restrict the use of the word â€œAllahâ€ to muslims only must has been supported by Bernard Dompok and other Christian ministers. Who are these Christian ministers besides Bernard Dompok? Bear in mind Matthew 16: 26 â€œ What good will it be for you to gain the whole world, yet forfeit your soul? Or what can you give in exchange for your soul.

By: greenacre

greenacre — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:14:40 +0000

Dear Undergrad you mentioned this ‘Freedom of religion is guaranteed under our Constitution subject to the proviso under Clause (4) of the said Article 11.’

I would comment on this for your kind knowledge as well as others who share this blog. Article 4 of the Federal constitution states that this ‘this constitution is the supreme law of the federation and….(note this) any law passed after merdeka day which is inconsistent with this constitution shall to the extend of the inconsistency be void.’

Well according to Interpretation Act “merdeka” day means..31. August ,1957. The clause 4 mentioned in Article 11 was inserted via four amendment done in year 1974, 1976,1984 and 2001.

Well the rest I leave it to readers here.

By: grace

grace — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:06:58 +0000

Similarly the state anthem of Kedah which starts with the line: Allah selamat…..
How are the non-Muslims going to sing? Would they be charged under ISA?

By: greenacre

greenacre — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:58:10 +0000

Well I was thinking of making a resolution for 2008. Yet the time and thought never came till now. Well as a Johorean I can’t sing the state anthem with the word ‘Allah’ anymore.

Hindu god Murugan is going to rescue me and henceforth the anthem shall begin…

Murugan peliharakan sultan
anugerakan segala hormat
sihat dan ria kekal dan makmur.

and finally
Murugan selamatkan sultan.

YB Lim could you kindly call on the Johor government to act and allow hindus to sing with Hindu god.

By: The_Dude

The_Dude — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:12:25 +0000

What’s next? Ban the use of the word “Tuhan”? Ban the use of the cross? If this is not oppression, I don’t know what else is. What rubbish….

By: Evenmind

Evenmind — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:47:27 +0000

The morons are so d that even confusing confusious would lost for words if he was alive today, What else can you refer them to be???Imberciles

By: Bigjoe

Bigjoe — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:12:11 +0000

Is there really a way to rule that certain words are only for Muslims in practical terms? You can rule that certain words cannot be used in the press, in media etc. but in practical use?

What would happen if I now go around in social gathering and use the words in speech? What if I lead a group of people in prayer that uses the word? What if I distribute a DVD with someone saying the word – who is guilty, the ones who make the DVD, the distributor or the one talking?

You see what I mean when I say BN does not learn from main lesson of hypocrisy of Dr. Chua’s incident? You always run into trouble sooner or later. Who are they kidding? This is about pandering to the right-wing Muslim and not the merit of arguments. Dr. Chua’s stubborn refusal to admit his personal flaw is a good indication of how most BNers feel about their hypocrisy – they will not change on their own and have to be forced upon them.

By: dawsheng

dawsheng — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:41:47 +0000

“This happened with Godâ€™s permission.” ChinNa

That’s why God is great?

By: DarkHorse

DarkHorse — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:36:49 +0000

It is unfair to the rest of us who do not have a hotline so we could be in direct communication with God. Are you sure you’re hearing God’s voices?? Or someone else’s?

Which God? Allah? Yaweh? Goddess Lakshmi or Money Goddess Anka
http://www.money-goddess.com/

By: ChinNA

ChinNA — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:23:02 +0000

Let me say this as a Christian.

This happened with God’s permission.

By: DarkHorse

DarkHorse — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:14:04 +0000

Shall we leave God. by whatever name you know Him, alone?? He is busy in places like Iraq and Afghanistan making His statement.