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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-66504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the statement that â€œall men are created equalâ€ is not intended to mean that men (by which generic expression includes women) are actually born equal in terms of genetic, intellectual and physical or health attributes or social and economic station in life or circumstances â€“ in these respects they are all born unequal â€“what it means and is intended to mean is that, ideally, the very fact of birth entitles all men born (no matter what their differences in the attributes stated above) to be treated and deemed as equal without discrimination â€“ not for everything â€“ but the very least in three respects: â€œLife, Liberty and the pursuit of Happinessâ€.   

So in that sense, yes, as what Loh says, the equality begins after birth.... 

Where UMNO comes from, and what it says is that it is not stopping anyone of us from our pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness, save and except for the first two objects they are qualified to the extent permissible by laws including ISA or Sedition Act and in the case of pursuit of Happiness (which necessarily includes the access to equal educational and economic opportunities) to the extent qualified by Special Bumi Privileges and NEP sanctified and protected also by law.

According to ex UMNO president TDM, the moral justification for the Special Bumi Privileges and NEP is that pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness cannot be equally pursued if one group that happens to be the majority group suffers from cultural deficit in not being able to compete on level playing ground with the more aggressive migrant races. The legal justification for Special Bumi Privileges and NEP (with particular regard to the open extension of it beyond 15 year review) is that the Majority race is not yet ready, a determination that is given effect by virtue of their majority determination in election and in Parliament via their representatives who are able to change the constitution with their 2/3 majority â€“ all in line with the practice of Democracy where majority decision counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the statement that â€œall men are created equalâ€ is not intended to mean that men (by which generic expression includes women) are actually born equal in terms of genetic, intellectual and physical or health attributes or social and economic station in life or circumstances â€“ in these respects they are all born unequal â€“what it means and is intended to mean is that, ideally, the very fact of birth entitles all men born (no matter what their differences in the attributes stated above) to be treated and deemed as equal without discrimination â€“ not for everything â€“ but the very least in three respects: â€œLife, Liberty and the pursuit of Happinessâ€.   </p>
<p>So in that sense, yes, as what Loh says, the equality begins after birth&#8230;. </p>
<p>Where UMNO comes from, and what it says is that it is not stopping anyone of us from our pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness, save and except for the first two objects they are qualified to the extent permissible by laws including ISA or Sedition Act and in the case of pursuit of Happiness (which necessarily includes the access to equal educational and economic opportunities) to the extent qualified by Special Bumi Privileges and NEP sanctified and protected also by law.</p>
<p>According to ex UMNO president TDM, the moral justification for the Special Bumi Privileges and NEP is that pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness cannot be equally pursued if one group that happens to be the majority group suffers from cultural deficit in not being able to compete on level playing ground with the more aggressive migrant races. The legal justification for Special Bumi Privileges and NEP (with particular regard to the open extension of it beyond 15 year review) is that the Majority race is not yet ready, a determination that is given effect by virtue of their majority determination in election and in Parliament via their representatives who are able to change the constitution with their 2/3 majority â€“ all in line with the practice of Democracy where majority decision counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-66494</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///In fact I would say very unequal, whether in genetic qualities, intellect, physical attributes or health, economic and social station and circumstances in life and at birth! ///---Jeffrey

The equality begins after birth. It is quite unlike free speech in Malaysia, one may not be free after speech.

Even God could not, or was it God's intention to see diversity, ensure equality at birth, but UMNO politicians thought that they could correct God's 'negligence' for not ensuring equality at birth, and could create level playing, so they claimed. We know now that that was just an excuse, and that might is right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///In fact I would say very unequal, whether in genetic qualities, intellect, physical attributes or health, economic and social station and circumstances in life and at birth! ///&#8212;Jeffrey</p>
<p>The equality begins after birth. It is quite unlike free speech in Malaysia, one may not be free after speech.</p>
<p>Even God could not, or was it God&#8217;s intention to see diversity, ensure equality at birth, but UMNO politicians thought that they could correct God&#8217;s &#8216;negligence&#8217; for not ensuring equality at birth, and could create level playing, so they claimed. We know now that that was just an excuse, and that might is right!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-66480</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///The preamble of the text of the United States Declaration of Independence has the following sentence: (from Wikipedia)â€¦We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equalâ€¦///

From the premise of men being created equal, it is deduced that â€œthey are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happinessâ€.

You have but to ask the first question whether the premise is really the true - that all men created equal ? Donâ€™t just say it is just a belief. Prove to me empirically that they areâ€¦.

With due respect to Thomas Jefferson and the preamble of United States Declaration of Independence, everywhere the contrary appears the self evident truth - that they are neither created or born equal. 

In fact I would say very unequal, whether in genetic qualities, intellect, physical attributes or health, economic and social station and circumstances in life and at birth! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///The preamble of the text of the United States Declaration of Independence has the following sentence: (from Wikipedia)â€¦We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equalâ€¦///</p>
<p>From the premise of men being created equal, it is deduced that â€œthey are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happinessâ€.</p>
<p>You have but to ask the first question whether the premise is really the true - that all men created equal ? Donâ€™t just say it is just a belief. Prove to me empirically that they areâ€¦.</p>
<p>With due respect to Thomas Jefferson and the preamble of United States Declaration of Independence, everywhere the contrary appears the self evident truth - that they are neither created or born equal. </p>
<p>In fact I would say very unequal, whether in genetic qualities, intellect, physical attributes or health, economic and social station and circumstances in life and at birth! <img src='http://blog.limkitsiang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: laifoong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-66127</link>
		<dc:creator>laifoong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....i wanna buy some weed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..i wanna buy some weed.</p>
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		<title>By: EARNEST</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-65860</link>
		<dc:creator>EARNEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So KILL THE WEEDS. â€“ sj.

There are 3 groups of weedkillers, viz., 
1.	Contact weedkiller kills very fast, within 2 hours, tissues untouched, especially the roots will re-grow very fast.  e.g. Paraquat

2.	Systemic weedkiller takes longer time to kill. It is absorbed by the roots, and the killed weeds will not re-grow. e.g Glyhosate

3.	Pre-emergent weedkiller kills weeds prior to emergence from soil. e.g. Oxadiazon.

Weed scientists refer to Paraquat and Glyphosate as Abortion, Oxadiazon as Condom.

To sack corrupted government officials is like applying Paraquat or Glyphosate. The sacked corrupted officials will be replaced by other officials who will soon become corrupted. This is because the fundamentals are wrong as propounded by YB Lim above.  

Meeting the nine challenges called â€œThe Way Forward-Visionâ€ positively and rectifying the fundamentals is like applying Oxadiazon.  Certainly, it is wiser to use the condom than to go for an abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So KILL THE WEEDS. â€“ sj.</p>
<p>There are 3 groups of weedkillers, viz.,<br />
1.	Contact weedkiller kills very fast, within 2 hours, tissues untouched, especially the roots will re-grow very fast.  e.g. Paraquat</p>
<p>2.	Systemic weedkiller takes longer time to kill. It is absorbed by the roots, and the killed weeds will not re-grow. e.g Glyhosate</p>
<p>3.	Pre-emergent weedkiller kills weeds prior to emergence from soil. e.g. Oxadiazon.</p>
<p>Weed scientists refer to Paraquat and Glyphosate as Abortion, Oxadiazon as Condom.</p>
<p>To sack corrupted government officials is like applying Paraquat or Glyphosate. The sacked corrupted officials will be replaced by other officials who will soon become corrupted. This is because the fundamentals are wrong as propounded by YB Lim above.  </p>
<p>Meeting the nine challenges called â€œThe Way Forward-Visionâ€ positively and rectifying the fundamentals is like applying Oxadiazon.  Certainly, it is wiser to use the condom than to go for an abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: U32</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-65847</link>
		<dc:creator>U32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am more interested in the line " man may not solve man made problems ". Again we have to go back to the roots of the problems. We thought problems will not arise. But they do. So where did we go wrong ? The one who creates the problems should be the one to uncreate them. If he fails to do so, he has to remove himself. The problems still exist. But the new man who takes over will start everything fresh like as if the problems never existed. This is the human way of doing things. However if one believes in divinity, one should know that nothing is impossible. 

How do you balance goodness and evil ? How do you exchange one thing for another ? How do you manoeuvre yourself in a human game of politics so that all Malaysians get to feel good more often than feel bad ? Remember this is a real world than we are living in. What are the internal and external factors  that can cause Malaysia to behave in an acceptable manner so to speak ? I am sure you all out there can give your own answers which could be similar to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am more interested in the line &#8221; man may not solve man made problems &#8220;. Again we have to go back to the roots of the problems. We thought problems will not arise. But they do. So where did we go wrong ? The one who creates the problems should be the one to uncreate them. If he fails to do so, he has to remove himself. The problems still exist. But the new man who takes over will start everything fresh like as if the problems never existed. This is the human way of doing things. However if one believes in divinity, one should know that nothing is impossible. </p>
<p>How do you balance goodness and evil ? How do you exchange one thing for another ? How do you manoeuvre yourself in a human game of politics so that all Malaysians get to feel good more often than feel bad ? Remember this is a real world than we are living in. What are the internal and external factors  that can cause Malaysia to behave in an acceptable manner so to speak ? I am sure you all out there can give your own answers which could be similar to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: cancan</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-65817</link>
		<dc:creator>cancan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The day the Umnoputras know how to govern the country with dignity is the day the sun rises from the west and Malaysia will be at its best.

We are in a very dangerous state of disunity which is created by the Umnoputras.

The more they divide us,the more we must unite as true Malaysians politically to displace them.
We must do it this election before the world of globalization gobbled us up.

And I believe we can and we will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day the Umnoputras know how to govern the country with dignity is the day the sun rises from the west and Malaysia will be at its best.</p>
<p>We are in a very dangerous state of disunity which is created by the Umnoputras.</p>
<p>The more they divide us,the more we must unite as true Malaysians politically to displace them.<br />
We must do it this election before the world of globalization gobbled us up.</p>
<p>And I believe we can and we will.</p>
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		<title>By: csl</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/26/man-may-not-solve-man-made-problems/#comment-65768</link>
		<dc:creator>csl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those with religion that saying they cannot eat meat, then whole camp eat vege? Come on, respect the majority. If you felt uncomfortable for the food, why not just get yourselves back home and ask your mama to cook for you? Please grow up a bit.

Back to the topic.

I just believe 1 thing, that, no way we can put the western standards into our multi cultures society. Plenty countries had failed. We need our own thing. The ISA is the very last resolve for some big society crisis. I don't want them choose to shoot on those front line people who were being brain washed by some groups of people. Did you all study the American's history before? If yes, you should wondering how the gov can achieve todays result without sacrifice so many innocent life. I never study in a University or college. But I had been work with so many kind of people, including white man (most of the time). 

Everything has its bright and dark side. When you get something, you lost something. All depends on if you can see what you are getting and what you are loosing. How far you can see? Better than those think tank behind the PM's chair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those with religion that saying they cannot eat meat, then whole camp eat vege? Come on, respect the majority. If you felt uncomfortable for the food, why not just get yourselves back home and ask your mama to cook for you? Please grow up a bit.</p>
<p>Back to the topic.</p>
<p>I just believe 1 thing, that, no way we can put the western standards into our multi cultures society. Plenty countries had failed. We need our own thing. The ISA is the very last resolve for some big society crisis. I don&#8217;t want them choose to shoot on those front line people who were being brain washed by some groups of people. Did you all study the American&#8217;s history before? If yes, you should wondering how the gov can achieve todays result without sacrifice so many innocent life. I never study in a University or college. But I had been work with so many kind of people, including white man (most of the time). </p>
<p>Everything has its bright and dark side. When you get something, you lost something. All depends on if you can see what you are getting and what you are loosing. How far you can see? Better than those think tank behind the PM&#8217;s chair?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Quah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Quah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenacre..i do agreed with you..sometimes..they ask us to respect their religion practise..but in reality do they respect our religion as well? Not only Hindu dont eat beef..most of chinese also prefer not to eat beef...but sadly..they dont care about our feeling.... 

I was once buying a burger in a Malays stall...he cook the beef burger then cook the chicken burger for me in the same time..well..i simply dont care as long as i dont consume the beef but the chicken..it will be ok..IF a pork burger was cook together with a beef burger...hell what will we know how those guy react..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenacre..i do agreed with you..sometimes..they ask us to respect their religion practise..but in reality do they respect our religion as well? Not only Hindu dont eat beef..most of chinese also prefer not to eat beef&#8230;but sadly..they dont care about our feeling&#8230;. </p>
<p>I was once buying a burger in a Malays stall&#8230;he cook the beef burger then cook the chicken burger for me in the same time..well..i simply dont care as long as i dont consume the beef but the chicken..it will be ok..IF a pork burger was cook together with a beef burger&#8230;hell what will we know how those guy react..</p>
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