Herald controversy – Is Abdullah leader of Malaysian moderates protecting middle ground against extremists?


It is a great Christmas letdown and disappointment that the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi did not assure Malaysians that he will not allow the middle ground to be intruded and encroached by extremists in Umno or the civil service by striking down unreasonable, arbitrary and unconstitutional restrictions on Herald, the Catholic weekly.

I was expecting Abdullah to put to rest the controversy over the use of ‘Allah’ by Herald in its Bahasa Malaysia section when he attended the Christmas High Tea Reception hosted by the Christian Federation of Malaysia at Bukit Nanas, Kuala Lumpur yesterday, and I dare say that my sense of disappointment was not mine alone but of the entire audience with representatives from diverse religions in the country – Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikkhism and Taoism.

In his speech, Abdullah reminded Malaysians not to allow extremist tendencies to take root and undermine interracial harmony in the country.

He said the moderates should play a role in ensuring that members of the public were not swayed by extremist propaganda which played on people’s emotions by raising sensitive religious and racial issues.

“I’m really concerned when issues involving religion are brought up from time to time and the attendant problems that all of us would need to address.

“If moderates don’t take centre stage, surely extremist elements will occupy it, making us fall for their extremist approach being touted as a religious or national approach.”

Abdullah cannot be more right that the greatest threat to inter-racial and inter-religious understanding, goodwill and harmony stem from religious extremists hiding in religious groups, political parties and the civil service who have been intruding and encroaching into the middle ground, edging out the moderates from the centre stage.

This is the main reason why religious polarization has surfaced in its most serious and dangerous form in the past four years in the 50-year history of the nation, gravely undermining national unity and the nation-building process.

Johari has “>admitted that he was personally responsible for the decision that the word “Allah” can only be used in the context of Islam and not any other religion, and to impose the new condition on this restriction on the Herald banning the use of the word “Allah” as well as the publication of its Bahasa Malaysia section when the annual publishing permit of the Catholic weekly comes up for renewal in the next few days.

Abdullah owes Malaysians an explanation whether he was privy to Johari’s decision or he only knew about it when there was a public furore and protest over the unreasonable, arbitrary and unconstitutional restrictions for the renewal of the Herald publications permit.

A poster on my blog has most pertinently pointed out that if the term “Allah” cannot be used by Christians to refer to God in Malaysia, then Malaysia may become an anomaly among the nations of the world, because of the following reasons:

1. The term “Allah” was in use long before there was Islam religion in the world.

2. The term “Allah” was used to refer to God by Arabic-speaking Christians before Arabic-speaking Muslims existed.

3. Malaysia is probably the only nation where the use of the term “Allah” by Christians to refer to their God is prohibited, whereas its use to refer to Christian God has never been prohibited in many countries in the Middle-East and the Americas.

There are approximately 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world, after Christianity. How many Muslims and others objected to Malaysian Christians’ use of the term “Allah” to refer to their God? Is it just only the government of Malaysia with over 15 million Muslims, comprising less than one per cent of the world Muslim population?

Several states, including Johore, Kedah, Pahang, Perak, Selangor, Kelantan and Terengganu use the word “Allah” in their state anthems. Does this mean that these State Anthems will have to be amended to conform to the new Johari directive banning the use of “Allah” by non-Muslims?

Abdullah must not only rail speak up against extremist and intolerant elements who are undermining the middle ground and national interests with their “narrowly-defined demands”, but must be prepared to act against them regardless of whether they hail from religious groups, political parties or from the bureaucracy.

The unreasonable, arbitrary and unconstitutional Johari order to Herald to ban its Bahasa Malaysia section and the use of “Allah” is an acid test as to whether the Prime Minister is a leader of Malaysian moderates from all faiths defending the middle ground from extremist and intolerant groups.

Is Abdullah prepared to strike down the Johari order to demonstrate that he is a leader of moderates in Malaysia, not just in words but also in action?

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  1. #1 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 9:07 am

    Allah (Arabic: ????, All?h) is the standard Arabic word for “God”.[1] The term is most likely derived from a contraction of the Arabic article al- and ?il?h “deity, god” to al-l?h meaning “the [sole] deity, God” (ho theos monos); another theory traces the etymology of the word to the Aramaic Al?h?.[2]

    While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews in reference to “God”.[3][1][4] The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[2]

    The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) though differed from tradition to tradition. In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was not the sole divinity, had associates and companions, sons and daughters. There was also a kind of kinship of between Allah and the jinn. [5] In Islam, Allah is the pivot of the Muslim faith who is only God, all-merciful and omnipotent, transcendent creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind.[3][1] As the Arab Christians today have no other word for ‘God’ than ‘Allah’[6], they for example use terms All?h al-ab (???? ????) meaning God the father, All?h al-ibn (???? ?????) mean God the son, and All?h al-ruh al koudous (???? ????? ?????) meaning God the Holy Spirit. There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur’an and the Hebrew Bible. [7] The Qur’an also rejects the Trinitarian conception of God as three persons in one substance (see Trinity).[8]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
    .

  2. #2 by Saint on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 9:19 am

    “If moderates don’t take centre stage, surely extremist elements will occupy it, making us fall for their extremist approach being touted as a religious or national approach.”

    - Our PM has said more enlightening words like this for many of the voes we are facing, but nothing seems to be implemented. Just reading what has been written for him. His heart is elsewhere – and God knows where.

  3. #3 by Jong on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:11 am

    So now “Allah” is Malaysian BN/UMNO government’s copyright?

  4. #4 by Jong on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:12 am

    Definitely it’s not Muslims’ ?!

  5. #5 by madmix on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:21 am

    Abdullah does not practice what he preaches. Moderation and tolerance is meant for non-Muslims whereas Muslims are allowed to be extreme as it is their right. They can dictate what language or words Christians can or cannot use; they can dictate where Buddhist or Taoist can place their statues; they decide which Hindu temples can exist. It is their NEP right.

  6. #6 by negarawan on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:30 am

    Badawi has blasphemed Jesus Christ by saying that he is a “servant of God”. The Christian leadership prefer to take the civilized approach to the issue by educating its people, rather than going amok and creating riots.

    Shame on you Badawi for insulting the Christian people on one of its most holy day. Shame on Jeane for not taking the opportunity to correct him, despite as an ex-Catholic, she should have remembered what Christians believe.

    This goes to show the arrogance of UMNO and BN. They have come to a point where they think they have full immunity from saying and doing what is morally wrong. God’s wrath be upon you!

  7. #7 by wizzerd on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:35 am

    AAB is just playing to the gallery especially when GE is around the corner. The BN can use this opportunity to show to the certain majority sections of the society (i.e the Malay-Muslims) that they are the champions for the rights at the same time creating a siege mentality for all Muslims to unite and vote for BN. It is only then that their interests will be safeguarded. Same old tactics..next thing they will paint Anwar Ibrahim as the champions of the Christians instead..

    Say no to BN’s opportunistic politics..
    Vote for a change
    Vote DAP/PKR/PAS for an alternative government

    Long live the Opposition!!

  8. #8 by madmix on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:43 am

    Negarawan: They can insult other religions with impunity but should a Christian Prime Minister on Eid Festival say the Mohammad is not the last prophet, you can bet that Muslims from Mecca to Dhaka will call for his head and riot in the streets.

  9. #9 by taikohtai on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:56 am

    Action speaks louder than words any day, any time. Hence, by AAB’s very actions lately, he has in fact labeled himself as very extreme and a high-handed PM.
    In any conflict, both parties claim to be right. But common sense tells us that such cannot be the case. One is often more to be blamed than the other but neither will admit any wrongdoing on his/her part.
    Malaysia is an old man already, being 5 more years to pension ie 55 years. Yet, the country is beset with more problems than ever. To sleep through important meetings is therefore extreme albeit an extreme form of lethargy.
    Let all do AAB a big favour by sending him into retirement, a long overdue one too. To vote BN out is not only moderate but compassionate as well. Happy New Year all!

  10. #10 by k1980 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:00 am

    Let all do AAB a bigger favour by sending him not into retirement, but into Kamunting, for his blasphemous remarks

  11. #11 by Tickler on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:05 am

    Make no mistake – the PM is an extremist. He is totally alive to what is happening around him. Islam Hadhari was approved by 2 Arab scholars one of whom was Yusuf Qardawi whom Anwar refused to meet when he went to Mecca after his munich operation.
    AI refused to meet him as the latter supported `suicide bombings`.

  12. #12 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:06 am

    I don’t know if Badawi is a moderate or extremist in hiding but I am sure that he is no intellectual giant and hence incapable of comprehending why this issue is that important for the average practitioners not of Islamic faith.

    In his mind he is probably asking why not use other words like Tuhan rather than Allah? He is also probably thinking that even if its technically correct, the reasonable ones should just not bring it up now since many Muslim can’t understand it and sensitive to it.

    After all, this PM keep insisting there is no need for a new vision when its clear from everybody face that he should and may need to from the start.

    The man just don’t get it.

  13. #13 by iweepformalaysia on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:06 am

    “So now “Allah” is Malaysian BN/UMNO government’s copyright?”

    No, it’s reserved exclusively for Bodohwi. He’s the GOD of Islam Hadhari.

  14. #14 by DiaperHead on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:11 am

    At church every Sunday, we use “Tuhan Yesus” to refer to Lord Jesus and “Allah” to refer to God.

    There are huge concentrations of Middle East Muslims in different parts of the United States.

    “As the Arab Christians today have no other word for ‘God’ than ‘Allah’[6], they for example use terms All?h al-ab meaning God the father, All?h al-ibn mean God the son, and All?h al-ruh al koudous meaning God the Holy Spirit.” WikipediA

    For a guy like Johari to come out to say what he said shows the narrow mindedness of Malaysia’s leaders.

    But let’s not miss the wood from the trees. It is all about Article 11(4) of our Constitution among others.

  15. #15 by Jimm on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:24 am

    Come on guys ..
    Most of our politicians are not really that ‘holy’ otherwise they could have been history by now.
    We are going to have the next GE very soon and as usual these are those ‘acting events’ for our BN government to put up to show their concern.

  16. #16 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:26 am

    According to YB Kit, a poster here has pointed out that the term “Allah” was in use long before there was Islam religion in the world, and that term “Allah” was used to refer to God by Arabic-speaking Christians before Arabic-speaking Muslims existed.

    That was however eons ago. Could it be denied that since then based on contemporary history “Allah” has, world wide, been used by Muslims as reference to God and not others? Is there a dispute of facts here?

    Also according to TheWrathOfGrapes citing Wikipedia, “there are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur’an and the Hebrew Bible” – and I would refer to at least two fundamental differences.

    One such difference is “the Qur’an also rejects the Trinitarian conception of God as three persons in one substance (see Trinity)”. I am no theologian but from little I know this means that for amongst Christian faiths, Holy Trinity refers to the union of three divine persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one God, and Jesus commanded his followers to baptize in the name of Trinity, ie. the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. This is denied in Islam, which considers the idea of a triune God to be blasphemy.

    The second fundamental difference is that unlike Christianity that holds Jesus as the Son of God through whom God is revealed, Islam from the beginning denies this central assertion that Allah has any son!

    If these are truly factual theological differences between the two faiths, then the strong adherents of either will steadfast hold the view that the truth of one cannot admit the truth of the other, no matter that in the interest of political correctness and tolerance this is not openly said out.

    Which is why strong adherents of the Islamic faith will want the exclusive use of the word “Allah” as reference to the Almighty to distinguish from the God of other faith – to mark these fundamental differences and avoid confusion so to speak – which I assume some of the very strong or evangelical amongst the Christian faiths too might equally desire the difference of description to be maintained.

    Some who support the position of the Catholic weekly “Herald” to use ‘Allah’ Herald in its Bahasa Malaysia section would argue that God is, by definition, magnanimous and he wouldn’t mind what He is called and the arguments over what to call Him is mere semantic exercise, an invention of man, not an assertion by God : so what’s the big deal especially when in today’s world in which Muslims and Christians are pitched in conflict (as evinced by, say, 911 and Bali bombings) – and Samuel Huntington said that there was a “civilisational conflict” – wouldn’t it ease much of the conflict between the Christian and Muslim faiths if they share the same term by reference to God?

    The truly devout will definitely object to this “practical approach” for one cannot justify the use of expedience to blur the fundamental differences of the faiths – even in the interest of bridging religious differences for harmony for, to them, the truth is important and if differences in absolute truth cannot be bridged these differences should at least be marked by a difference of how God is addressed!

    Especially so here where from day one of the promulgation of the Constitution it is intended under article 11(4) that proselytization or “propagation of any religious doctrine or belief” “among persons professing the religion of Islam” is strictly prohibited!

    Of course whether the use of ‘Allah’ by Herald in its Bahasa Malaysia section would tantamount to proselytization or contravene the restriction in Article 11(4) is matter of interpretation depending on persons and how they argue to justify their respective points of view.

    The PM is of course right when it comes to ‘quotable’ quotes – “If moderates don’t take centre stage, surely extremist elements will occupy it, making us fall for their extremist approach being touted as a religious or national approach.”

    But does he clarify who is the extremist or moderate on this issue of the Herald? :)

  17. #17 by Libra2 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:34 am

    “Most of our politicians are not really that ‘holy’ ” Jimm said

    In my everyday conversations with “people in the know”, I am told that many of our leaders and their wives consume liquor and they are not mere social drinkers. They are habitual drinkers.!!!!!!!!!!

    I am referring to those who speak highly of their religion and pretend to be holy. These are devils in disguise. These are the people who give “sermons” to the rakyat on being holy and defenders of their religion.
    I hope these fellows will be exposed for their hypocrisies.

  18. #18 by lucia on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:40 am

    i was thinking the same too when i read about his speech about tolerance and respect. they like to call on us to respect islam…. but does islam respect us??

    anyway since it is still the christmas season (until 6 jan.), here’s a christamas wish from me:
    may allah bless you and keep you in his tender care this christmas and forever.

  19. #19 by Cinapek on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 11:40 am

    I have scratched my head so hard I might lose whatever hair I have left trying to figure out this PM of ours.

    Most times he seems totally oblivious to what is going on around him. OK maybe he is half asleep most of the time but surely his aides cannot fail to brief or keep him informed what is going on. Unless those aides have a hidden agenda to make sure he remains in his semi comatose state.

    Take this “Allah” issue for example. Anyone with the most basic common sense, let alone a PM, will know he has to take a stand on this since his Govt.(and to be more specific HIS ministry) has issued a letter on this matter. Yet there he is blithely making a statement about religious moderation when the letter from his Govt smacks of religious extremism unless he can explain and justify the letter better than the answer given by his deputy, whose reply to the press reveals his total ignorance of his own religion. I have no quarrels with his wish to make a public fool of himself except for the extreme danger his actions poses for religious harmony on the occassion of the Christians’ most important day. In my most generous mood I would say it was sheer stupidity that prompted the issue of the letter which was so insensitively timed. This assumption would not be misplaced given the inumerable examples we have seen from UMNO. But less generous Christians may interpret the timing of this letter as a deliberate intimidation intended to belittle their religion. Hence the urgent need for a clarification from AAB, which he again chickened out or totally oblivious to.

    It is such abdication of responsibility that force people to take to the streets to seek justice. If the No 1 man shys away from making the hard decisions what choice do the people have left except to make the matter known openly?

  20. #20 by ahluck on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:07 pm

    Every sunday. In churches Allah is used for prayers in Malaysia. I dare johari to ban the word allah used in prayers of songs.

    and see the head for churches reaction to that.

    anyway, in communist country people bless you by saying ” may the god we don’t believe bless you.” It is law there where the people are not to believe in god. In malaysia it is not a big deal on use of the word “allah”. Allah will understand what your intention. you can call HIM LIm Kit Siang. and he knows you are refering to Allah.

    I just want one particular race or one particular religion not to be pushed. be like the good old days …we stayed in harmony.

    Bed Avi please wake up and look into peoples matters.

  21. #21 by pulau_sibu on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:14 pm

    Robert Lau, the assistant minister for housing, is championing the catholic. has he made any comments yet? who else are the catholic ministers?

    let’s send Robert Lau to meet with the prime minister

  22. #22 by gofortruth on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:17 pm

    If the term ‘ALLAH’ was used to refer to God before the time of Islam, isn’t it prudent for Islam to have chosen a different name of reference to avoid confusion?
    Now having used the same name that people from other faiths have been using and to ban people from using that name appears to me nothing but BULLY!
    Malaysia is truly an international laughing stock!!!
    Do we elect people to serve us or to bully us?????

  23. #23 by sheriff singh on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:32 pm

    The word “Allah” is in the Arabic and Jewish Bibles. It is also in the original English Bible text in the first book of Moses (Musa), Genesis. Also, the peoples of the book used “Allah” (God) BEFORE the advent of Islam. See:

    http://answering-christianity.com/allah5.htm

    and

    http://answering-christianity.com/allah6.htm

    and

    http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/Allah-inthe-Jewish-Bible.htm

    For fuller write-ups and listings, see:

    http://answering-christianity.com/allah.htm

    As far as I can see and understand, “Allah” means “God” NOT specifically the Muslim God.

    When used in the various Bibles, “Allah” would mean God, and does NOT refer to the Muslim God.

    Imam Hadhari should quickly solve this minor storm in the teacup before heading for his holidays.

  24. #24 by cheng on soo on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:37 pm

    If they are real serious about this word “Al…”, then enact it as a law, (get it passed in Parliament), teach this in all schools, colleges, universities, put up notices everywhere, especially, entrance points n churches n temples, make announcement on all incoming flights (like warning on drug), get all tourist guides to warn foreigners, get all bus drivers who drive in foreigners (to warn foreigners) from borders, have different versions of state anthems for non-Muslim, put it in Rukunegara (can always modified), and see how the rest of the world will look at Msia.
    These officers (Joha…etc) are wasting time saying n doing meaningless things

  25. #25 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:46 pm

    All this talk about the Christian God and the Muslim God and the meaning of ”Allah” in Arabic etc misses the point.

    The point is there is increasing religious intolerance shown by Malaysians of the Muslim faith encouraged by their leaders, of racial and religious polarization a process encouraged by our Constitution when it fails to separate church (read: mosque) from state.

    To think that such increasing religious intolerance shown by Muslims to those who are not Muslims over the years has not resulted in feelings of alienation by the latter is to fail to acknowledge the meaning of religious ‘polarization’ and its effects on society.

    We are today seeing the effects of a government policy that has its roots in Article 3 (1) and Article 11(4) – a process if unchecked will result in a fragmented society. No doubt about it in my mind.

  26. #26 by cheng on soo on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 12:53 pm

    ‘a process if unchecked will result in a fragmented society. ‘, Msia is already half fragmented. who fragmented it ? or whose policies cause this fragmentation? U know I know lah! Look like going to fragment further, How sad!

  27. #27 by sebol on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:02 pm

    Thinkler,
    since when Yusuf Qardhawi aprove Islam Hadhari?
    where you heard it? from Government media?

  28. #28 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:02 pm

    YB has rightly pointed out the reference by another poster which alludes effectively to the question: ‘which comes first: Christianity or Islam’. Since Christianity first came on to the world scene, then Christianity should have the natural copyright to the term ‘Allah’ if such a copyright is actionable. But that would be ludicrous!

    Can anyone copyright the name ‘Mama’ or “papa”? Ok, that’s a no-brainer. It’s my papa.It’s my mama. Similarly, it’s my God, whatever the name that has been prescribed to me by the holy books.

    Actually, the people of the Old Testament were using all the different names of God long before anybody else ever did. Somehow the Jews never thought that the unpronounceable (and unspeakable too!) name of God can be copyrightable. Somehow I can’t help feeling that “The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the LORD scoffs at them” (Psalms 2:4) who seek to ‘monopolise’ his NAME as if it has anything to do with his deity. God has no favourites. In fact, ‘many will cry out “Lord, Lord” in the last days’ but God will turn his face away and say ‘I knew you not”.

    Still, I would desist if UMNO can get an international and exclusive copyright for the word “Allah”. Until such time, UMNO should know better than shuffling garbage claims around under the pretext of religion.

  29. #29 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:04 pm

    “Can anyone copyright the name ‘Mama’ or “papa”? Ok, that’s a no-brainer. It’s my papa.It’s my mama. ” HORNBILL

    The “Mamas and the Papas” may want to.

  30. #30 by harrisonbinhansome on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:08 pm

    http://serene555.multiply.com/journal/item/206/Sabah_church_sues_PM_over_book_ban

    Now that a church in Sabah has sued the PM Badawi and the Malaysian Government for manufacturing the dubious semantics of ‘ALLAH’ resulting in banning of imports of all periodicals that has such references.

    I SAY VERY GOOD. At least the leader/s does not say “let’s just pray!”
    I hope more will follow suit.

    And to pulau_sibu’ posting at 12: 14.15,

    Robert Lau championing the rights of the Christians? I am thinking about whether will he champion the rights of the “UNDERGROUND”???

  31. #31 by Anba on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:13 pm

    If Pak Lah is truly a religious person as many had claimed before, then he will do the right thing to dismiss Johari’s personal claim on the ‘Allah’ issue. But as our previous Prime Ministers ( except Tunku Abdul Rahman, in my opinion ) have exhibited a tendency towards putting Malay agenda and Muslim agenda before national interest, I doubt Pak Lah wants to anger the Malay voters, especially when it is this close to the general election. Like all UMNO leaders ( it’s shameful to call these people leaders), MIC, MCA and Gerakan leaders, they do NOT have the right CONSCIENCE to face the truth and do the right thing. When God or Allah questions these leaders during ‘Judgement Day’ or ‘Hari Kiamat’ on why they made blunders in the name of God, perhaps then they may realize. Until then, please allow them to ‘sleep walk’ and goven the country.

    LET’S WAKE THEM UP IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

    God bless Malaysia

  32. #32 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:20 pm

    It is absolutely correct that the root of the problem is ultimately the failing secularity of our constitution.

    There is no such thing as a non-secular non-theocratic country. This issue is like the PM, he don’t want to make hard choices when he has to and in the end what happens is rubbish.

  33. #33 by Tickler on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:31 pm

    Muslim religious teachers in Malaysia today still preach the Islamic concept of heaven in a terminology which is neither Malay nor Arabic, but Hindu. The sanskrit word “Syurga” is always used in connection with the Islamic concept of paradise. The proper Arabic word for this is actually “Al-Jannah”. In the same way, the Hindu religious term “neraka” or hell is used by Muslim Malays to explain the Islamic concept of hell. The Arabic word for hell is “Al-Nar” or the place of fire. Then the Muslim fast, the annual religious abstention from food and drink, is known by the Sanskrit term “puasa”. A Muslim religious teacher is often called “guru”, another Hindu religious term, in fact the name of a Hindu deity, Betara Guru. The Muslim prayer is among the Malays, called “sembahyang”. “Sembah” in Sanskrit means to pray, and “yang” is a Sanskrit term meaning divinity or conjuring respect, as in “Sang Yang Tunggal”, the most divine one, and “Yang Dipertuan”.
    http://www.geocities.com/aizaris/suvarnabhumi.html

    This is the appropriate time for the PM to lead the way in correcting the way in which sanskrit prayers are held at hindu temples as it `insults` his religion.

  34. #34 by justice_fighter on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:32 pm

    All Christians should vote opposition to teach this sleepwalking PM a big lesson!!!

  35. #35 by DiaperHead on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:37 pm

    Islam as practiced in Malaysia has been polluted by Animism and Hinduism because Malays were once Hindus before Islam reached its shores.

    Don’t know if Sikhism has any role. Never heard of Malays being followers of Sikhism.

  36. #36 by carboncopy on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:43 pm

    I am pretty sure Abdullah has privy to Johari’s statement.

    As the policy of monopolistic usage of the name ‘Allah’ is not new.

  37. #37 by patriotic1994 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:45 pm

    Frankly, if I didn’t read blog, I really think “Allah” refer to Muslim world. That’s the education I received in Malaysia. Truly katak di bawah tempurung.

    Can’t blame Minister said that kind of word. He probably “didn’t know”. Yet, he also didn’t know how to “apologize”. This “apologize” is not taught in Malaysia too, because “maruah” is too high.

    As you know Tony Pua did point out our government “sapu” all unemployed Bumi graduate to be government servants. Some of them “excel” to become the Minister of Malaysia. Many of them have no common sense, no insight, and only know how to bullshit all the way to above. Did any Minister become Minister without working as government servant first?

    Everything is so rotten inside our BN Government. How to expect good fruit to be produced by bad trees?

    Heard the news that AAB is planning for TPM2 post if BN win the election in 2008. Why not also TPM3 (for Indian). Don’t be fooled. He never walk to talk. He has big ears, now he also want to have big mouth. He was the one said to setup IPCMP. He also said to wipe out corruption. He also said we must respect other religions. NOTHING HAPPEN AS HE SAID!

    We have to cut the bad tree from producing more bad fruits!

  38. #38 by carboncopy on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:48 pm

    “All Christians should vote opposition to teach this sleepwalking PM a big lesson!!!”

    I should add that All Malaysians should vote opposition.

    As this matter is not just about Christians.

    It is about fundamental human rights. As censoring god’s name is against Freedom of Religion.

  39. #39 by shaolin on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 1:57 pm

    AAB is Not GOD so he cannot decide when to use the
    word, ‘ALLAH’!! Just stick to what The Bible says…
    and its definition and usage!!

    ALLAH means GOD to everyone, Not specifically for
    Islamic God is called ALLAH…!! Just go ahead with
    that. No big deal.

    AAB preaches one and practises another…!!! Watch
    out for this kind of wicked and crooked person…!!

  40. #40 by DiaperHead on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 2:01 pm

    “Muslim religious teachers in Malaysia today still preach the Islamic concept of heaven in a terminology which is neither Malay nor Arabic, but Hindu.” Tickler

    What has concepts got to do with terminology when expressed in different languages??

    The concept of Heaven and Hell is the same be one a Christian, Muslim or Hindu or Sikh for that matter. The prevalence of Sanskrit words in the Malay language is to be expected as Malays were once Hindus before they became Muslims.

  41. #41 by Tickler on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 2:08 pm

    Good. Keep repeating, they have forgotten.

  42. #42 by kanthanboy on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 5:02 pm

    “… Allah will understand what your intention. You can call HIM LIm Kit Siang, and he knows you are refering to Allah….”

    ahluck, anyone who has some understanding of the Bible will never make such a bizarre statement like you.
    Many names are used in the Bible to refer to Jesus. However, that does not mean you can call God by anything you want.
    FYI, go to http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestudyresources/qt/namesofgodjesus.htm
    The website has 102 biblical names of God and Jesus.

    Please stop calling God by the name of Lim Kit Siang or ahluck.

  43. #43 by EARNEST on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 5:48 pm

    That was however eons ago. Could it be denied that since then based on contemporary history “Allah” has, world wide, been used by Muslims as reference to God and not others? Is there a dispute of facts here? – Jeffrey

    The above statement may be erroneous.

    Let us look at living history and hear from our contemporaries today in the 21st century, including those who go to Church every Sunday :
    ahluck Says:
    Today at 12: 07.39 (1 hour ago) Every sunday. In churches Allah is used for prayers in Malaysia. I dare johari to ban the word allah used in prayers of songs.
    DiaperHead Says:
    Today at 11: 11.03 (2 hours ago) At church every Sunday, we use “Tuhan Yesus” to refer to Lord Jesus and “Allah” to refer to God.

    We need not look at Arabic-speaking Christians in the Middle-East and the Americas, who have been using “Allah” to refer to their God since the 1st century, whereas Arabic-speaking Muslims started to use “Allah” to refer to their God since the 7th Century. We just need to look at our neighbor contemporary Indonesia, the country with the largest Muslim population in the world.

    The Indonesian government presumably has presumably no problem with Christian publications in the Indonesian language, which use the term “Allah” today, not eons ago.

    Several years ago, a group of churches changed the word “Allah” to “Yahweh” throughout the whole Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia Bible, and had it printed. Recently the Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia took these churches to court (probably for copyright infringement), and won their case, and the Indonesian police then entered these churches and confiscated all those Bibles.

    A few days ago, a church in Sabah sued the Prime Minister in the Kuala Lumpur High Court for banning the import of some Christian books in the Indonesian language from Indonesia, where the term “Allah” was used. The general consensus is that the church has already lost the case even before the first hearing.

    Even though there are religious extremists in Indonesia who could resort to massacres under the slightest provocations, their government is seen to be more tolerant than ours in these matters.

    Shouldn’t our judiciary emulate Indonesia’s judiciary over the use of the term “Allah”?

    Shouldn’t our Ministry of Internal Security emulate its Indonesian counterpart’s capacity for tolerance for the use of the term “Allah” by Christians in their translated Bible and books?

    Shouldn’t our Minister of Internal Security overrule his deputy, Johari’s order to ban HERALD, the Catholic weekly?

    Let’s hope that good sense will prevail and that the government will give way.

  44. #44 by k1980 on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 7:29 pm

    AAB should confiscate the Indonesia bibles too
    http://www.bibledbdata.org/onlinebibles/indonesian_tb/01_001.htm

  45. #45 by smartee on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 7:42 pm

    Some people have gods with eyes that cannot see, ears that cannot hear, hands that cannot move, legs that cannot walk…. So believers of such “god” will need to assists their “god” to see, hear, and take revenge by bombing people, lawyers to protect their name etc.

    To this fanatics, I say:
    “There is only one God. And you are not Him.”
    So don’t try to play “God.”

    Call Him by whatever name you want but He sure doesn’t need your help to defend Himself!

  46. #46 by chiakchua on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 8:40 pm

    Once they got their way with this ‘Allah’ issue, they will come out with more!
    And whatever they managed to ‘rob’, they or their future generation (primarily the UMNOputras, and generally the ignorant Malays who would follow whatever their leaders say) would say that has been their right! The non-Malays must never ever touch on this issue or you’d be ISAed! NEP is one of the case. Mula-mula to help the poor Malays for 20 years, and now they consider their ‘right’!

  47. #47 by catharsis on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 8:47 pm

    Jeffrey (Koit)- looking at the quality and depth of your post you can have Johari’s job. You are doing a much better job

  48. #48 by Count Dracula on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 9:39 pm

    “The website has 102 biblical names of God and Jesus.” kathanboy

    Rather than they being different names of God, I’d say that these are references to God.

    I believe in the Koran God comes by one name throughout. The reason being the Koran is compiled as one document whereas the Bible is a gathering some 26 different books all written at different times by different writers. Each writer writes for a different audience. Hence the different styles – and names.

  49. #49 by Count Dracula on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 9:43 pm

    Having said, aren’t we missing the point?

    With the banning of the word from being ‘misused’, politicization of religion is being moved one notch up.

    What’s in a name??

  50. #50 by EARNEST on Wednesday, 26 December 2007 - 10:02 pm

    AAB should confiscate the Indonesia bibles too

    http://www.bibledbdata.org/onlinebibles/indonesian_tb/01_001.htm

    – k1980

    The term “Allah” for God appears 31 times in Chapter 1 of Genesis (Kejadian) in the modern online Indonesian Bible above. It has also been used in the old and new Arabic Bibles since ancient times. The modern online Bible with Arabic translation can be accessed here :

    http://www.waterlive.org/

    Why would our Ministry of Internal security ban Christian publications, which use the term “Allah” when the governments in most Muslim countries, including the Indonesian government, do not bat an eyelid over the use of the term “Allah” in the translated Bibles?

    Is it because our Deputy Internal Security Minster, Johari still does not know, when the rest of the world already knew that Christians had used the term “Allah” a few hundred years earlier than the Muslims and continue to use the term until the modern era of digital communications today?

    If the Ministry of Internal Security does not budge, the Church may need to prevent this encroachment on their constitutional rights by engaging top lawyers to resolve conflicts in the Constitution if any, despite general diffidence in the judiciary. A Sabah church has already made the first move.

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