I refer to some statements on how upsets some Christians are with regards to PM’s speech during christmas day. I am not so sure why they are so upset. PM did not insult Christianity.

To Muslims, Jesus was a mere mortal . He was also a prophet. Muslims and Islam have high regards on him. One chapter of Kuran is named after her mother, Lady Mary. In Islam, she is accorded as “a chosen lady among all nations”.

I do not understand why there are some people in this forum is so upset. Did PM belittle Christianity. No. Did he mock the faith. No. K1980 asked “Did Mullah Dullah say that Christian God is a servant of his God”.

Rest assured, PM or Malays respect the faith although they may differ on status of Jesus. Muslims are reminded in Kuran “not to mock the belief of others the way they do not like their faith on Me(Allah) is ridiculed”.

As for Mr Diaperhead, he may not realize on the construction of 2 big statues in Batu caves recently. UMNO may not encourage building of statues. But it certainly never stops building of such statues. Please do not accuse UMNo of violating the freedom of practising other faiths than Islam in Malaysia.

As for the appeal of Islam, perhaps people are attracted to Islam due to its simplicity. There is no need for intermediary between mere mortal and Allah. In Islam, everybody is born as pure as a white cloth. Nobody in Islam can excommunicate anybody to hell or heaven. A sultan , Caliph, amir, PM are mere leaders. Their authority is temporal. They can not claim to receive divine blessing. It runs in harmony with law of human nature. Sex is allowed. No need to supress sexual desire in order to be close to God.

Merry CHRISTmas to all Malaysians and foreigners.

Is Mullah Dullah implying the Christian God is a servant of his God?

I’m tickled pink.

For someone who wants to dictate to others who should feel offended and who should not, should it surprise anyone that you are here going on the record as to tell someone that you do not care if he is an Elder or a Junior”. You accuse someone of being insensitive, how sensitive is that statement?

“So with the latest developments, I think it would be interesting to ascertain if the Sikh Holy book is also banned? And if all those Gurdwaras should surrender their copies to the Home Ministry?”

It would not be a bad idea to some.

I recall a time when the Selangor State Govt. wanted to ban the usage of the word Allah by non muslims, apparently you brought it up in Parliament that the Sikhs too have that word in their Granth Sahib. One particular reference thru a google search is:

“I observe neither Hindu fasting nor the ritual of the Muslim Ramadan month; Him I serve who at the last shall save. The Lord of universe of the Hindus, Gosain and Allah to me are one; From Hindus and Muslims have I broken free. I perform neither Kaaba pilgrimage nor at bathing spots worship; One sole Lord I serve, and no other. I perform neither the Hindu worship nor the Muslim prayer; To the Sole Formless Lord in my heart I bow. We neither are Hindus nor Muslims; Our body and life belong to the One Supreme Being who alone is both Ram and Allah for us.” (Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Granth Sahib, Raga Bhairon pg. 1136)
http://www.sikhs.org/summary.htm

So with the latest developments, I think it would be interesting to ascertain if the Sikh Holy book is also banned? And if all those Gurdwaras should surrender their copies to the Home Ministry?

There is something wrong with you. That is not an insult but a statement of fact. and I don`t really care whether you are an Elder or a Junior. I do think you should study more on the subject instead of shooting from the hip. I can only assist you with this link:
http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html
You are purposely trying to pick a fight. That is not a nice thing to do. So, for this I leave you to your own.
And I stand by what I write.

To some extent, there’s truth in that if you’re born or convert in an “islamic” country. In Malaysia, your race will dictate your religion if you’re a malay without you having any say in it.

But unlike our neighbouring country, Singapore, it’s interesting to find that there are also Malay Christians. Check out these blogs on Malay Christians in Singapore:-

http://1flock1shepherd.blogspot.com/ & http://evan.tedfox.com/

Before you throw more insults, you may want to bear in mind that I am an Elder in the church in my neigborhood.

“There is also no necessity to bring Jews into the picture when talking about Jesus.” Tickler

Why not?? Jesus was a Jew! Abraham was as much a prophet to Christians and Muslims!

I once asked a Jew on what he thought of Jesus and he said Jews look upon Jesus (a Jew) as “a very good rabbi” .

The coming of the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament (a prophesy) or first five chapters of it (which make up the Torah) was Jesus of the New Testament to Christians. The Jews remaining true to their Torah, are still waiting for ‘their’ Messiah. The Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as that Messiah.

I know nothing about the Koran. But having grown up among Muslims, from what I am told, Jesus is a prophet in a long line of prophets down from Abraham and Mohammad was the last Messenger.

So when Abdullah Badawi referred to Jesus as a “servant of God” it is only because he’s a Muslim – not because he’s not a Christian. There is a difference. In his attempt to be inclusive in his approach he ended apparently offending some Christians. I never said no Christian should feel offended. I could only speak for myself when I say I’m not offended – and I go to church every Sunday.

Let’s hear what you have to say about ‘being inclusive’ in your approach as opposed to ‘being exclusive’. Which sends a better message?

Jesus, son of God or God in human flesh or Mohammad ,God’s last Messenger, Jesus who lives, has not died but will one day return to unite His people, or Jesus who died and rose to Heaven to take his seat on the right hand of God etc if we are to approach any issue one way and not the other, how could there be an inter-faith meeting of any kind since we would be insulting each other’s belief before we even start.

Close to a thousand if not more, Muslim religious leaders throughout the world have recently approached the Vatican asking to have an inter-faith meeting with the Pope. Why should they who regard Jesus as a ‘servant of God’ and not the Son of God want to have anything to do with the representative of God on earth? Should we regard as one big insult for both the groups to be sitting across the table from each other to understand each other and do what is good for the world?