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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't only talk about democracy, practise it and show the world that MALAYSIA is truly democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t only talk about democracy, practise it and show the world that MALAYSIA is truly democratic.</p>
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		<title>By: cancan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cancan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of our rights are already enshrined in the constitution.

It is the Umnoputras that are manipulating it to suit their taste.

One of the most disturbing part is on religion.
See how they divide the people by twisting and turning the rule of law
to to their political benefits.

The most important lesson to learn from this is,the more they divide us,the more we should stand united as true Malaysians to displace them. 

These Umnoputras are truly evil in nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of our rights are already enshrined in the constitution.</p>
<p>It is the Umnoputras that are manipulating it to suit their taste.</p>
<p>One of the most disturbing part is on religion.<br />
See how they divide the people by twisting and turning the rule of law<br />
to to their political benefits.</p>
<p>The most important lesson to learn from this is,the more they divide us,the more we should stand united as true Malaysians to displace them. </p>
<p>These Umnoputras are truly evil in nature.</p>
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		<title>By: sani</title>
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		<dc:creator>sani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB

Merry Christmas + Happy New Year to all.

I had always thought that the present Perak Royal House had been kind to support what is right.

Like Tun Mahathir + Harris Ibrahim said, we are law abidding citizens, we must obey the law. I like to add,We are democrats, we must debate the law. We are human beings, we must make choices that are wise. 

Look at our law on legal assembly. Any gathering of more than 5 persons in public without a police permit is unlawful. That mean everyone of us is breaking the law one time or the other. 

2 football teams on a field is un lawful without a police permit. 6 friends walking to a shopping mall could be arrested. Any mamak store with more than 5 customers  can be shutdown. Well you can go on, days without end to see how un lawful, we Malaysians can be, according to our law.

This particular law alone is stupid to say the least. It  become dangerous when it lead to the ISA. 

ISA is even more crazy. You are assume to be guilty of something but no one has to tell you anything about your crime. Meaning that, they can put you away for 60 days, 2 years, 4 years, 6 years + finally when they like to let you out, again they have to say nothing.

Just imagine, the above 2 laws are actually against our constitution! So as Tun + Harris Ibrahim said, the freedom to elect is still lawful, make both these laws  election issues. 

By the way, if you visit your family + friends this festive season, make sure you only travel in groups of not more than 4, or else you will be breaking the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB</p>
<p>Merry Christmas + Happy New Year to all.</p>
<p>I had always thought that the present Perak Royal House had been kind to support what is right.</p>
<p>Like Tun Mahathir + Harris Ibrahim said, we are law abidding citizens, we must obey the law. I like to add,We are democrats, we must debate the law. We are human beings, we must make choices that are wise. </p>
<p>Look at our law on legal assembly. Any gathering of more than 5 persons in public without a police permit is unlawful. That mean everyone of us is breaking the law one time or the other. </p>
<p>2 football teams on a field is un lawful without a police permit. 6 friends walking to a shopping mall could be arrested. Any mamak store with more than 5 customers  can be shutdown. Well you can go on, days without end to see how un lawful, we Malaysians can be, according to our law.</p>
<p>This particular law alone is stupid to say the least. It  become dangerous when it lead to the ISA. </p>
<p>ISA is even more crazy. You are assume to be guilty of something but no one has to tell you anything about your crime. Meaning that, they can put you away for 60 days, 2 years, 4 years, 6 years + finally when they like to let you out, again they have to say nothing.</p>
<p>Just imagine, the above 2 laws are actually against our constitution! So as Tun + Harris Ibrahim said, the freedom to elect is still lawful, make both these laws  election issues. </p>
<p>By the way, if you visit your family + friends this festive season, make sure you only travel in groups of not more than 4, or else you will be breaking the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are far too much damages been done throughout the years of prefecting policies to enrich those powerful and land owners.
We have sold our futures for something lesser than life itself.
Now, there are no turning back as no one want to be blamed for the result.
The game will continue to get to the worst part  and then everything will just stop and die in time.
After all the things finally settled back, new living generations will walk again this path and set for a new voyage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are far too much damages been done throughout the years of prefecting policies to enrich those powerful and land owners.<br />
We have sold our futures for something lesser than life itself.<br />
Now, there are no turning back as no one want to be blamed for the result.<br />
The game will continue to get to the worst part  and then everything will just stop and die in time.<br />
After all the things finally settled back, new living generations will walk again this path and set for a new voyage.</p>
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		<title>By: EARNEST</title>
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		<dc:creator>EARNEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone in support of his argument in this blog mentioned what Raja Nazrin said earlier at
 http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html 

I had replied that Raja Nazrin was entitled to his opinion as much as I am entitled to my own opinion.

I have been of the opinion that the police should not arbitrarily deny peaceful assemblies, which is against the spirit of the Federal Constitution Article 10 despite clauses on restrictions. This brings into question the legitimacy of any law which violates our constitutional rights, especially section 27 of the Police Act.  

The Power-that-be can make it illegal to hold assemblies without police permit, but they can be wrong in doing so. It takes courageous people to right the wrong. Does it take the eruption of violent protests or bloodbaths due to bottled up frustrations to prove that they are wrong?

Even pressure cookers are designed with regulators and safety valves.

Just like during the 17th century Inquisition, the powers-that-be made it illegal to question the belief that the earth was the center of the Universe, even punishing Galileo severely for defying the law. But, they were proven wrong. 

As per New Sunday Times, the latest advice by the Raja Muda of Perak, Raja Dr. Nazrin Shah that â€œthe desire to maintain public order should not be an excuse for never allowing peaceful assemblies as the holding of peaceful demonstrations to voice their grievances is a constitutionally-enshrined right of Malaysian citizens" is sensible.

The forner Lord President Tun Salleh Abas has said that the police can regulate but not prevent peaceful assemblies. 

The former President of the Bar Council Mr. Yeoh Yang Poh has written an article on our rights to defy bad laws such as Section 27 which violate our constitutional rights.

The Prime Minister must remember that forcibly preventing peaceful assemblies organized to express grave grievances by arbitrarily denying police permits and using threats of arrest is analogous to risking an explosion of pressure cookers without regulators and safety valves.

I believe the above  vindicated my judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone in support of his argument in this blog mentioned what Raja Nazrin said earlier at<br />
 <a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html</a> </p>
<p>I had replied that Raja Nazrin was entitled to his opinion as much as I am entitled to my own opinion.</p>
<p>I have been of the opinion that the police should not arbitrarily deny peaceful assemblies, which is against the spirit of the Federal Constitution Article 10 despite clauses on restrictions. This brings into question the legitimacy of any law which violates our constitutional rights, especially section 27 of the Police Act.  </p>
<p>The Power-that-be can make it illegal to hold assemblies without police permit, but they can be wrong in doing so. It takes courageous people to right the wrong. Does it take the eruption of violent protests or bloodbaths due to bottled up frustrations to prove that they are wrong?</p>
<p>Even pressure cookers are designed with regulators and safety valves.</p>
<p>Just like during the 17th century Inquisition, the powers-that-be made it illegal to question the belief that the earth was the center of the Universe, even punishing Galileo severely for defying the law. But, they were proven wrong. </p>
<p>As per New Sunday Times, the latest advice by the Raja Muda of Perak, Raja Dr. Nazrin Shah that â€œthe desire to maintain public order should not be an excuse for never allowing peaceful assemblies as the holding of peaceful demonstrations to voice their grievances is a constitutionally-enshrined right of Malaysian citizens&#8221; is sensible.</p>
<p>The forner Lord President Tun Salleh Abas has said that the police can regulate but not prevent peaceful assemblies. </p>
<p>The former President of the Bar Council Mr. Yeoh Yang Poh has written an article on our rights to defy bad laws such as Section 27 which violate our constitutional rights.</p>
<p>The Prime Minister must remember that forcibly preventing peaceful assemblies organized to express grave grievances by arbitrarily denying police permits and using threats of arrest is analogous to risking an explosion of pressure cookers without regulators and safety valves.</p>
<p>I believe the above  vindicated my judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: patriotic1994</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotic1994</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, few days ago I saw in NST that Raja Muda said differently?

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html

Or NST spin it?

This is the excerpt from the archive above,

== begin excerpt ==

Raja Nazrin urged Malaysians to always think and act rationally within the countryâ€™s legal framework thrust upon the Malaysian culture.
He said the country had achieved many successes and victories through the culture of peaceful negotiations, discussions and co-operation.

â€œA culture of resorting to actions that is alien to us must be rejected and should not be allowed to take root in our homeland.

â€œMy advice is opt for the correct and right path in our efforts to achieve our noble intentions.â€ 

&lt;b&gt;Raja Nazrin said resorting to violence and defying the law must be avoided as they could undermine the nation's peace and stability.&lt;/b&gt;

== end excerpt ==

See the highlighted above. That's what NST conclude (spin).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, few days ago I saw in NST that Raja Muda said differently?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20071130071943/Article/index_html</a></p>
<p>Or NST spin it?</p>
<p>This is the excerpt from the archive above,</p>
<p>== begin excerpt ==</p>
<p>Raja Nazrin urged Malaysians to always think and act rationally within the countryâ€™s legal framework thrust upon the Malaysian culture.<br />
He said the country had achieved many successes and victories through the culture of peaceful negotiations, discussions and co-operation.</p>
<p>â€œA culture of resorting to actions that is alien to us must be rejected and should not be allowed to take root in our homeland.</p>
<p>â€œMy advice is opt for the correct and right path in our efforts to achieve our noble intentions.â€ </p>
<p><b>Raja Nazrin said resorting to violence and defying the law must be avoided as they could undermine the nation&#8217;s peace and stability.</b></p>
<p>== end excerpt ==</p>
<p>See the highlighted above. That&#8217;s what NST conclude (spin).</p>
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		<title>By: takkan_hilang_india_didunia</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/23/pmigp-heed-nazrinmusa-respect-constitution-and-allow-peaceful-demonstrations/#comment-65159</link>
		<dc:creator>takkan_hilang_india_didunia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now let's wait Hishamuddin or Pak Lah to say something with reference statement by Raja Nazrin. His statement is very timely as even Dr.Mahathir did not say anything about the rally. I wonder what is Raja Azlan's take on his son's statement.
Finally our monarch is functioning by speaking out against injustice. 
God bless Malaysia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let&#8217;s wait Hishamuddin or Pak Lah to say something with reference statement by Raja Nazrin. His statement is very timely as even Dr.Mahathir did not say anything about the rally. I wonder what is Raja Azlan&#8217;s take on his son&#8217;s statement.<br />
Finally our monarch is functioning by speaking out against injustice.<br />
God bless Malaysia.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformMalaysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformMalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>==================================================
FEDERAL CONSTITUTION

PART II - FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES


Article 10. Freedom of speech, assembly and association.

(1) Subject to Clauses (2), (3) and (4)â€”

      (a) every citizen has the right to freedom of speech and expression;

      (b) all citizens have the right to assemble peaceably and without arms;

      (c) all citizens have the right to form associations.

(2) Parliament may by law imposeâ€”

      (a) on the rights conferred by paragraph (a) of Clause (1), such restrictions as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof, friendly relations with other countries, public order or morality and restrictions designed to protect the privileges of Parliament or of any Legislative Assembly or to provide against contempt of court, defamation, or incitement to any offence;

      (b) on the right conferred by paragraph (b) of Clause (1), such restrictions as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof or public order;

=================================================

It seems that the Barisan Nasional government 'permitted' themselves to breach the federal constitution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>==================================================<br />
FEDERAL CONSTITUTION</p>
<p>PART II - FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES</p>
<p>Article 10. Freedom of speech, assembly and association.</p>
<p>(1) Subject to Clauses (2), (3) and (4)â€”</p>
<p>      (a) every citizen has the right to freedom of speech and expression;</p>
<p>      (b) all citizens have the right to assemble peaceably and without arms;</p>
<p>      (c) all citizens have the right to form associations.</p>
<p>(2) Parliament may by law imposeâ€”</p>
<p>      (a) on the rights conferred by paragraph (a) of Clause (1), such restrictions as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof, friendly relations with other countries, public order or morality and restrictions designed to protect the privileges of Parliament or of any Legislative Assembly or to provide against contempt of court, defamation, or incitement to any offence;</p>
<p>      (b) on the right conferred by paragraph (b) of Clause (1), such restrictions as it deems necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of the Federation or any part thereof or public order;</p>
<p>=================================================</p>
<p>It seems that the Barisan Nasional government &#8216;permitted&#8217; themselves to breach the federal constitution</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wonder how Raja Nazrin feel about his words being twisted in the press which had the headline that appear not to support peaceful demonstration.

He got some class to keep plugging this despite the spin on they do.  But me think, he will not get to become Agung anytime soon. I can see the panic on the PM, Najib, Hissamuddin and KJ if he gets to become Agung and Anwar gets to run in an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wonder how Raja Nazrin feel about his words being twisted in the press which had the headline that appear not to support peaceful demonstration.</p>
<p>He got some class to keep plugging this despite the spin on they do.  But me think, he will not get to become Agung anytime soon. I can see the panic on the PM, Najib, Hissamuddin and KJ if he gets to become Agung and Anwar gets to run in an election.</p>
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