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	<title>Comments on: Fake IPCMC Bill deferred to March Parliament</title>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64261</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delaying the passing the Bill does not mean it will be withdrawn completely. It is just a ploy to cool down the heat of the moment from the negative public reaction roused.

It is a done deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delaying the passing the Bill does not mean it will be withdrawn completely. It is just a ploy to cool down the heat of the moment from the negative public reaction roused.</p>
<p>It is a done deal.</p>
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		<title>By: ckloh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64178</link>
		<dc:creator>ckloh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old.observer, thanks for helping to rephrase.

It is exactly my sentiment.

If can't afford to migrate to overseas, then how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old.observer, thanks for helping to rephrase.</p>
<p>It is exactly my sentiment.</p>
<p>If can&#8217;t afford to migrate to overseas, then how?</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64134</link>
		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ckloh,

I like your Girlfriend A or Girlfriend B analogy, but perhaps with slight modification.  Allow me to rephrase it slightly differently to others here ... thanks.

_______

Girlfriend A is someone you know for a very, very, very long time.  At least 10 years, but let say 30 years if you are a young person.  She is secretly corrupt.  She lies but most of the time, you and your family can't tell the difference.  But everytime when she is caught by someone else, she has the power to cover up, to deny, to make sure that you - her potential husband - doesn't know, or doesn't see.  What you see is only the tip and scratches of huge iceberg of corruption.  And every 5 years, she does so many "good" things publicly, all her friends keep praising how good she is, and she makes so many good promises daily to you, that you just can't bear to separate with her.

Girlfriend B is really no one specific.  It could be anyone girl from a group of 4 or 5.  You don't really know who she will be, since on the wedding day, it's a random roll of dice as far as you are concerned.

Now, if you must choose Girlfriend A or Girlfriend B on your wedding day, and if the rules of this marriage is that if you didn't vote, Girlfriend A automatically becomes your wife, how would you choose?

Old Observer.

PS.  Now, is it really a surprise that some of the rich Chinese families decide not to choose A or B, but to just migrate overseas to find someone new? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ckloh,</p>
<p>I like your Girlfriend A or Girlfriend B analogy, but perhaps with slight modification.  Allow me to rephrase it slightly differently to others here &#8230; thanks.</p>
<p>_______</p>
<p>Girlfriend A is someone you know for a very, very, very long time.  At least 10 years, but let say 30 years if you are a young person.  She is secretly corrupt.  She lies but most of the time, you and your family can&#8217;t tell the difference.  But everytime when she is caught by someone else, she has the power to cover up, to deny, to make sure that you - her potential husband - doesn&#8217;t know, or doesn&#8217;t see.  What you see is only the tip and scratches of huge iceberg of corruption.  And every 5 years, she does so many &#8220;good&#8221; things publicly, all her friends keep praising how good she is, and she makes so many good promises daily to you, that you just can&#8217;t bear to separate with her.</p>
<p>Girlfriend B is really no one specific.  It could be anyone girl from a group of 4 or 5.  You don&#8217;t really know who she will be, since on the wedding day, it&#8217;s a random roll of dice as far as you are concerned.</p>
<p>Now, if you must choose Girlfriend A or Girlfriend B on your wedding day, and if the rules of this marriage is that if you didn&#8217;t vote, Girlfriend A automatically becomes your wife, how would you choose?</p>
<p>Old Observer.</p>
<p>PS.  Now, is it really a surprise that some of the rich Chinese families decide not to choose A or B, but to just migrate overseas to find someone new? <img src='http://blog.limkitsiang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64131</link>
		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cheng on soo - In 1957, Tunku had an experience team???

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cheng, it is clear to me, you have completely misunderstood my writings.

It is not a question of experience.  Let's take Nazri as example.  It's obvious to me this guy will simply say anything stupid just to create diversion and make a lot of fire.  What is the result of this constant fire lighting by Nazri?  Well, you end up with a very busy YB Kit writing, blogging, debating, etc. just to point out the stupidity of some of the things that Nazri regularly says.  This detracts Kit.  My question is : Is this the best way to utilize YB Kit's time?  To continually shadow and ridicule Nazri?  Is YB Kit fighting to replace Nazri as Minister in the PM's Department?  Obviously not right?  (In my opinion, YB KIt deserves a more responsible position, either Shadow PM or Shadow DPM at the very least).

So, what should be a better system?  Well, in the ideal world, we have another person from the Opposition Party.  This person - let's call him X - will shadow Nazri.  X will report to YB Kit. Everytime Nazri says something stupid, X will write and blog a rebuttal.  He sticks to Nazri like a persistent dog.  This person, X, should be appointed early.  Why?  So, that up to the time to election, X will have gained a lot of experience, gained and develop a track record, so that more people will gain to trust X.  So that by the time election comes, X will be a known voice, not an unknown quantity.  Of course I don't expect BA to win the next election.  But I do believe that when there is a change, the best time to start is NOW. 

By extension, you can see the benefit of a shadow cabinet.  One-to-one marking.  Not just for Nazri, but for Zam, Najib.  And the rest.  One-to-one response.  Of course, all working together as a team.

Hopefully, you can understand the context of my comment.  Even though YB Kit is extremely hardworking and in my humble opinion, extremely intelligent, it is obvious to me that no single person is better than a cohesive and coordinated team.  In BN's case, you can see that YB Kit alone cannot take on the entire BN government.  AAB can just allocate a handful of people like Nazri and Zam to make trouble and keep YB Kit's hands full all day, leaving the rest to continue looting the Rakyat's coffers.

The recent planned "stupidity" of the BN government provides Opposition a wonderful and unique opportunity to "hentam" them and gain public credibility.

It would be a tragic waste if YB Kit continues to take on the entire BN government in this blog.  That unfortunately, is a guaranteed recipee for failure in next and subsequent elections.

I trust you understand the spirit of my comments here.

Old Observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheng on soo - In 1957, Tunku had an experience team???</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p>cheng, it is clear to me, you have completely misunderstood my writings.</p>
<p>It is not a question of experience.  Let&#8217;s take Nazri as example.  It&#8217;s obvious to me this guy will simply say anything stupid just to create diversion and make a lot of fire.  What is the result of this constant fire lighting by Nazri?  Well, you end up with a very busy YB Kit writing, blogging, debating, etc. just to point out the stupidity of some of the things that Nazri regularly says.  This detracts Kit.  My question is : Is this the best way to utilize YB Kit&#8217;s time?  To continually shadow and ridicule Nazri?  Is YB Kit fighting to replace Nazri as Minister in the PM&#8217;s Department?  Obviously not right?  (In my opinion, YB KIt deserves a more responsible position, either Shadow PM or Shadow DPM at the very least).</p>
<p>So, what should be a better system?  Well, in the ideal world, we have another person from the Opposition Party.  This person - let&#8217;s call him X - will shadow Nazri.  X will report to YB Kit. Everytime Nazri says something stupid, X will write and blog a rebuttal.  He sticks to Nazri like a persistent dog.  This person, X, should be appointed early.  Why?  So, that up to the time to election, X will have gained a lot of experience, gained and develop a track record, so that more people will gain to trust X.  So that by the time election comes, X will be a known voice, not an unknown quantity.  Of course I don&#8217;t expect BA to win the next election.  But I do believe that when there is a change, the best time to start is NOW. </p>
<p>By extension, you can see the benefit of a shadow cabinet.  One-to-one marking.  Not just for Nazri, but for Zam, Najib.  And the rest.  One-to-one response.  Of course, all working together as a team.</p>
<p>Hopefully, you can understand the context of my comment.  Even though YB Kit is extremely hardworking and in my humble opinion, extremely intelligent, it is obvious to me that no single person is better than a cohesive and coordinated team.  In BN&#8217;s case, you can see that YB Kit alone cannot take on the entire BN government.  AAB can just allocate a handful of people like Nazri and Zam to make trouble and keep YB Kit&#8217;s hands full all day, leaving the rest to continue looting the Rakyat&#8217;s coffers.</p>
<p>The recent planned &#8220;stupidity&#8221; of the BN government provides Opposition a wonderful and unique opportunity to &#8220;hentam&#8221; them and gain public credibility.</p>
<p>It would be a tragic waste if YB Kit continues to take on the entire BN government in this blog.  That unfortunately, is a guaranteed recipee for failure in next and subsequent elections.</p>
<p>I trust you understand the spirit of my comments here.</p>
<p>Old Observer.</p>
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		<title>By: House Victim</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64127</link>
		<dc:creator>House Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What should be = what to be delivered?
============================
We went to a famous Japanese Restaurant for our meal.
A number of us have in mind the dishes of appeal.
Going through the menu it was marvelous!
A big range of choice so happy everyone made their choice.
After some drinks came the apology.
The chef is away on emergency!
At the end we got noodles to quench our hungry!

So no rabbit take a bear!
No RCI take SCC??

Any department don't have a complaint section?
Any professional don't have a disciplinary committee?
Even the Prime Ministry has Biro?
At the end, Octopus without head!!
Legs catching legs!

Had all the Acts been professionally drafted? Strictly run? 
Or, just to get authorization and self protection with bias to run?
A housing matter with HDA, STA and then BCPA! 
Worse after worse! 
The Acts started with BIAS in the Head and run by Big Head!

The system is so rotten, even the best ICAC Act to come, will it act?

An independent, fair and competent legal committee has to come in to straighten up all Acts! 
No proper committee, no more ACTS! 
Or more "Siu-sei-yan"  (I learned somewhere!) in fact!

A transparent, accountable, efficient and corruption-free government has to be set-up to run those Acts.
Otherwise, the judiciary system after any ICAC or RCI remains a rotten apple to act!

At the end, ACT, ACT, ACT, seems to create a lot of Rights, Rights,  Rights 
but turning out Abuse, after Abuse and again Abuse
through officers, Department and the court!

Please LEAD People to clean-up the Government or no way for any mess!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What should be = what to be delivered?<br />
============================<br />
We went to a famous Japanese Restaurant for our meal.<br />
A number of us have in mind the dishes of appeal.<br />
Going through the menu it was marvelous!<br />
A big range of choice so happy everyone made their choice.<br />
After some drinks came the apology.<br />
The chef is away on emergency!<br />
At the end we got noodles to quench our hungry!</p>
<p>So no rabbit take a bear!<br />
No RCI take SCC??</p>
<p>Any department don&#8217;t have a complaint section?<br />
Any professional don&#8217;t have a disciplinary committee?<br />
Even the Prime Ministry has Biro?<br />
At the end, Octopus without head!!<br />
Legs catching legs!</p>
<p>Had all the Acts been professionally drafted? Strictly run?<br />
Or, just to get authorization and self protection with bias to run?<br />
A housing matter with HDA, STA and then BCPA!<br />
Worse after worse!<br />
The Acts started with BIAS in the Head and run by Big Head!</p>
<p>The system is so rotten, even the best ICAC Act to come, will it act?</p>
<p>An independent, fair and competent legal committee has to come in to straighten up all Acts!<br />
No proper committee, no more ACTS!<br />
Or more &#8220;Siu-sei-yan&#8221;  (I learned somewhere!) in fact!</p>
<p>A transparent, accountable, efficient and corruption-free government has to be set-up to run those Acts.<br />
Otherwise, the judiciary system after any ICAC or RCI remains a rotten apple to act!</p>
<p>At the end, ACT, ACT, ACT, seems to create a lot of Rights, Rights,  Rights<br />
but turning out Abuse, after Abuse and again Abuse<br />
through officers, Department and the court!</p>
<p>Please LEAD People to clean-up the Government or no way for any mess!!</p>
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		<title>By: pwcheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64114</link>
		<dc:creator>pwcheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the Special Complaints Commission (SCC) Bill, popularly know as the fake IPCMC bill is postponed to march next year, I hope Brother Kit will hold another consultation or better still a referendum on it as soon as the school holiday is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Special Complaints Commission (SCC) Bill, popularly know as the fake IPCMC bill is postponed to march next year, I hope Brother Kit will hold another consultation or better still a referendum on it as soon as the school holiday is over.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64099</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CIA, the KGB and the Malaysian Police are all trying to prove that they are the best at catching terrorists. The UN Secretary General decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it. 

The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. 

The KGB goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and make no apologies: the rabbit had it coming. 

The Malaysian police goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CIA, the KGB and the Malaysian Police are all trying to prove that they are the best at catching terrorists. The UN Secretary General decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it. </p>
<p>The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. </p>
<p>The KGB goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and make no apologies: the rabbit had it coming. </p>
<p>The Malaysian police goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: &#8220;Okay! Okay! I&#8217;m a rabbit! I&#8217;m a rabbit!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64083</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw on TV, Sdr. Lim and Nazri interview on this and Nazri looks like he is happy to differ this as long as anyone want. They don't really even want this SCC in the first place and they are arrogant to believe they can get it passed as is whenever they have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw on TV, Sdr. Lim and Nazri interview on this and Nazri looks like he is happy to differ this as long as anyone want. They don&#8217;t really even want this SCC in the first place and they are arrogant to believe they can get it passed as is whenever they have to.</p>
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		<title>By: House Victim</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/18/fake-ipcmc-bill-deferred-to-march-parliament/#comment-64053</link>
		<dc:creator>House Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One stone kills two birds 
Fakes SCC over IPCMC &#38; RCI
Time to prepare for GE before March.
If not planned, unanimous vote to defer no way!

Why Release 31 on attempted murder charge?
They afraid of votes coming up against BN!
Figures 2004, very grey for 2008 if those against BN + registered but not voted vote against.

http://www.thestar.com.my/election2004/default.asp

A. Following figures derived:
1. Total registered: 10,273,501
2. Total voted: 7,116,817
3. Votes to "winner": 4,521,997
*2.&#38; 3.(excluding Single Candidate)
4. Spoiled?163,190

B. Votes for successful Candidate
Approx. %
1. On voted: UNMO/MCA/MIC=29.21/9.75/2.64
2. On Registered: UNMO/MCA/MIC=20.24/2.76/1.35
3. Seats for UNMO/MCA/MIC=109/31/9
4. Seats for UNMO/Rest BN=109/89

C. If all those last voted against BN winners +  registered but not voted, to vote against BN in 2008, assuming BN can maintain last voting:
1. Possible seats LOST:
UNMO/Rest of BN = 51/58
MCA/MIC=20/5
2. Meaning, Seats so REMAIN = 58/31
Total =89

MCA/MIC and other non-UNMO if continue as shadow for UNMO will be very risky. A new majority must be regrouped!!

A core of opposition must be able to come up before GE to start as seed for the coming new majority! Please take this as priority. 

RCI must be in place to take up all disciplinary matters. IPCM?only on Police, give up! Brush up ACA to ICAC, corruption is the main cause. 

If GE not brushed up, RCI, IPCMC....will only be a book as many as those HDA, STA, BCPA....

A good leader is to able to recruit the right ones to do the right jobs. So, one good one to have the charm to attract more is the key point. When principle with rules and regulations are clear with the right reward and penalty system be strict, light will fall!

Leave behind the burden of the existing parties, regrouping to give a new birth for a new one is priority number 1!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One stone kills two birds<br />
Fakes SCC over IPCMC &amp; RCI<br />
Time to prepare for GE before March.<br />
If not planned, unanimous vote to defer no way!</p>
<p>Why Release 31 on attempted murder charge?<br />
They afraid of votes coming up against BN!<br />
Figures 2004, very grey for 2008 if those against BN + registered but not voted vote against.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestar.com.my/election2004/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com.my/election2004/default.asp</a></p>
<p>A. Following figures derived:<br />
1. Total registered: 10,273,501<br />
2. Total voted: 7,116,817<br />
3. Votes to &#8220;winner&#8221;: 4,521,997<br />
*2.&amp; 3.(excluding Single Candidate)<br />
4. Spoiled?163,190</p>
<p>B. Votes for successful Candidate<br />
Approx. %<br />
1. On voted: UNMO/MCA/MIC=29.21/9.75/2.64<br />
2. On Registered: UNMO/MCA/MIC=20.24/2.76/1.35<br />
3. Seats for UNMO/MCA/MIC=109/31/9<br />
4. Seats for UNMO/Rest BN=109/89</p>
<p>C. If all those last voted against BN winners +  registered but not voted, to vote against BN in 2008, assuming BN can maintain last voting:<br />
1. Possible seats LOST:<br />
UNMO/Rest of BN = 51/58<br />
MCA/MIC=20/5<br />
2. Meaning, Seats so REMAIN = 58/31<br />
Total =89</p>
<p>MCA/MIC and other non-UNMO if continue as shadow for UNMO will be very risky. A new majority must be regrouped!!</p>
<p>A core of opposition must be able to come up before GE to start as seed for the coming new majority! Please take this as priority. </p>
<p>RCI must be in place to take up all disciplinary matters. IPCM?only on Police, give up! Brush up ACA to ICAC, corruption is the main cause. </p>
<p>If GE not brushed up, RCI, IPCMC&#8230;.will only be a book as many as those HDA, STA, BCPA&#8230;.</p>
<p>A good leader is to able to recruit the right ones to do the right jobs. So, one good one to have the charm to attract more is the key point. When principle with rules and regulations are clear with the right reward and penalty system be strict, light will fall!</p>
<p>Leave behind the burden of the existing parties, regrouping to give a new birth for a new one is priority number 1!!</p>
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