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	<title>Comments on: Fake IPCMC Bill consultation tonight – will anybody be there?</title>
	<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/</link>
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		<title>By: Short-sleeve</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63839</link>
		<dc:creator>Short-sleeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit,

Last night when you asked who was the one that cancelled his flight to attend, sorry i did not acknowledge. Was shy. Not used to standing up in a big crowd.

But anyway, I agree with that guy who called you 'Datuk Seri'. You have sacrificed tremendously for the nation. You are more than a Datuk Seri in our hearts. 

God bless you, Kit.

&lt;strong&gt;[Most appreciated. Hope we can meet up very soon. - kit]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit,</p>
<p>Last night when you asked who was the one that cancelled his flight to attend, sorry i did not acknowledge. Was shy. Not used to standing up in a big crowd.</p>
<p>But anyway, I agree with that guy who called you &#8216;Datuk Seri&#8217;. You have sacrificed tremendously for the nation. You are more than a Datuk Seri in our hearts. </p>
<p>God bless you, Kit.</p>
<p><strong>[Most appreciated. Hope we can meet up very soon. - kit]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: sj</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63767</link>
		<dc:creator>sj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COol..was it a success then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COol..was it a success then?</p>
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		<title>By: REPORT: FAKE IPCMC Bill Public Consultation &#171; Jed Yoong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63748</link>
		<dc:creator>REPORT: FAKE IPCMC Bill Public Consultation &#171; Jed Yoong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63748</guid>
		<description>[...] hall was packed this evening, surprisingly, and the attendees reached a unanimous decision to defer the debate onÂ  the Special [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] hall was packed this evening, surprisingly, and the attendees reached a unanimous decision to defer the debate onÂ  the Special [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: DarkHorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63707</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œWas correct procedure used in discharging the chemical laced water and tear gas canisters?â€ lakshy



If they have the evidence to prove it, victims who suffered because of the gas and the chemical-laced water through their indiscriminate use could initiate legal action against the police for damages. It is not going to be easy because those who were there had earlier been warned and had ignored police warnings. The refusal of a police permit meant that the assembly was not legal and those injured were participants of an illegal assembly. If the  matter were to go to court the balancing of private and public interest would  mean that litigants would be wasting  their time and money pursuing claims which are lost before they are even adjudicated.



Do you have  evidence to prove that the police were guilty of criminal negligence in the use of dangerous substances when doing crowd control?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œWas correct procedure used in discharging the chemical laced water and tear gas canisters?â€ lakshy</p>
<p>If they have the evidence to prove it, victims who suffered because of the gas and the chemical-laced water through their indiscriminate use could initiate legal action against the police for damages. It is not going to be easy because those who were there had earlier been warned and had ignored police warnings. The refusal of a police permit meant that the assembly was not legal and those injured were participants of an illegal assembly. If the  matter were to go to court the balancing of private and public interest would  mean that litigants would be wasting  their time and money pursuing claims which are lost before they are even adjudicated.</p>
<p>Do you have  evidence to prove that the police were guilty of criminal negligence in the use of dangerous substances when doing crowd control?</p>
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		<title>By: DarkHorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63706</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"On the Nov 25th rally, the police denied the permit and then they went one step further. They went to the courts to get an order making the gathering an illegal assembly. Something does not seem right here." lakshy

It would make sense if there is a right of judicial review of the police decision not to issue the permit. Otherwise it was a case of putting  one more nail into the coffin when the coffin has been closed shut and nailed and ready to be moved.

Is there a right of judicial review here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the Nov 25th rally, the police denied the permit and then they went one step further. They went to the courts to get an order making the gathering an illegal assembly. Something does not seem right here.&#8221; lakshy</p>
<p>It would make sense if there is a right of judicial review of the police decision not to issue the permit. Otherwise it was a case of putting  one more nail into the coffin when the coffin has been closed shut and nailed and ready to be moved.</p>
<p>Is there a right of judicial review here?</p>
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		<title>By: SIMPLYJUSTICE</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63679</link>
		<dc:creator>SIMPLYJUSTICE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63679</guid>
		<description>Dear Friends,

GET READY, THE PARLIAMENT WILL BE DISOLVED NEXT WEEK .

PROOF TO BN THAT THE PEOPLE ARE INCHARGE .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>GET READY, THE PARLIAMENT WILL BE DISOLVED NEXT WEEK .</p>
<p>PROOF TO BN THAT THE PEOPLE ARE INCHARGE .</p>
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		<title>By: Aramaitii</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63665</link>
		<dc:creator>Aramaitii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63665</guid>
		<description>I'll be there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be there</p>
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		<title>By: Short-sleeve</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63661</link>
		<dc:creator>Short-sleeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63661</guid>
		<description>I just cancelled my flight to KK to be there tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cancelled my flight to KK to be there tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: vehir</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63650</link>
		<dc:creator>vehir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63650</guid>
		<description>i will be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will be there.</p>
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		<title>By: mendela</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63634</link>
		<dc:creator>mendela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63634</guid>
		<description>I will try my best to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will try my best to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: lakshy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63632</link>
		<dc:creator>lakshy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB,

Police is there to protect and maintain the peace and security right?

If people want to have a rally, they need to get a police permit I believe.

On the Nov 25th rally, the police denied the permit and then they went one step further.  They went to the courts to get an order making the gathering an illegal assembly.  Something does not seem right here.

If a member of the public went and made a police report and then went to the courts to get the gathering ruled as illegal, I would be able to understand it.  But this was done by the police and no one highlights this fact.  Do they accept these acts?

And anyway, if a member of the public did so, it would take him time to get the order from the court. How were the police able to move mountains in such a short space of time?

Anyway, for the police to be the ones to issue the approval for the gathering and for them to be the ones to go to court to get it declared as an illegal assembly does not seem right, when it was a peaceful gathering.

Why are there no publicity of the gross abuse of power by the police on 25th Nov?  Were correct procedures followed?  Did the police decieve those assembled by their deeds and words? 

Was correct procedure used in discharging the chemical laced water and tear gas canisters?  

Why nothing?  But I guess, without a proper IPCMC bill, nothing can be done anyway.  With the SCC, they will just shoooo all the reports away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB,</p>
<p>Police is there to protect and maintain the peace and security right?</p>
<p>If people want to have a rally, they need to get a police permit I believe.</p>
<p>On the Nov 25th rally, the police denied the permit and then they went one step further.  They went to the courts to get an order making the gathering an illegal assembly.  Something does not seem right here.</p>
<p>If a member of the public went and made a police report and then went to the courts to get the gathering ruled as illegal, I would be able to understand it.  But this was done by the police and no one highlights this fact.  Do they accept these acts?</p>
<p>And anyway, if a member of the public did so, it would take him time to get the order from the court. How were the police able to move mountains in such a short space of time?</p>
<p>Anyway, for the police to be the ones to issue the approval for the gathering and for them to be the ones to go to court to get it declared as an illegal assembly does not seem right, when it was a peaceful gathering.</p>
<p>Why are there no publicity of the gross abuse of power by the police on 25th Nov?  Were correct procedures followed?  Did the police decieve those assembled by their deeds and words? </p>
<p>Was correct procedure used in discharging the chemical laced water and tear gas canisters?  </p>
<p>Why nothing?  But I guess, without a proper IPCMC bill, nothing can be done anyway.  With the SCC, they will just shoooo all the reports away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63629</guid>
		<description>Show of support. I will be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show of support. I will be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63618</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63618</guid>
		<description>In the last month, within 5 min walking distance in of my house, there have been

1) Stabbing of a teen for a piece of jewelry
2) At least two extortion of joggers in the morning.
3) At least two cars broken into.
4)  A burgalry
5) A laptop and handheld organizer/phone stolen

This meeting should go on even if its just for the public to vent frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last month, within 5 min walking distance in of my house, there have been</p>
<p>1) Stabbing of a teen for a piece of jewelry<br />
2) At least two extortion of joggers in the morning.<br />
3) At least two cars broken into.<br />
4)  A burgalry<br />
5) A laptop and handheld organizer/phone stolen</p>
<p>This meeting should go on even if its just for the public to vent frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Emergency Public Consultation on fake IPCMC Bill &#171; the meesh experience</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63611</link>
		<dc:creator>Emergency Public Consultation on fake IPCMC Bill &#171; the meesh experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63611</guid>
		<description>[...] Emergency Public Consultation on fake IPCMC&#160;Bill 16Dec07    Â From Lim Kit Siang: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Emergency Public Consultation on fake IPCMC&nbsp;Bill 16Dec07    Â From Lim Kit Siang: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sj</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63602</link>
		<dc:creator>sj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..if you cant get the important people to listen to the dissatisfaction..then that might be a bit hard to be effective. You able to do a quick poll on your blog or on Malaysia Today? If you can collect a quick poll, it might give you more info on to make a better decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..if you cant get the important people to listen to the dissatisfaction..then that might be a bit hard to be effective. You able to do a quick poll on your blog or on Malaysia Today? If you can collect a quick poll, it might give you more info on to make a better decision.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkHorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63589</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63589</guid>
		<description>But of course I could be the only juror to deliver that verdict. There are eleven others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course I could be the only juror to deliver that verdict. There are eleven others.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkHorse</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63588</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/17/fake-ipcmc-bill-consultation-tonight-%e2%80%93-will-anybody-be-there/#comment-63588</guid>
		<description>"Lets see whether there is going to be an empty auditorium tonight."

If I were a juror about to deliver a verdict and after listening to the judge instructing me on the meaning of 'proof beyond reasonable doubt', I would say there would be an empty auditorium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets see whether there is going to be an empty auditorium tonight.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I were a juror about to deliver a verdict and after listening to the judge instructing me on the meaning of &#8216;proof beyond reasonable doubt&#8217;, I would say there would be an empty auditorium.</p>
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