Comments on: PM-Indian NGOs meeting - utter failure of MIC and Samy, reduced to silent observer/note-taker http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/ for Malaysia Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:59:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Furiousity http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63696 Furiousity Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:35:39 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63696 well good luck on voting out samy bulu out lol i doubt that its going to work although i wish it will happen for the of indians :) well good luck on voting out samy bulu out lol
i doubt that its going to work although i wish it will happen for the of indians :)

]]> By: anakbaram http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63637 anakbaram Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:45:40 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63637 At least now the spotlight is focused on the Malaysian Indian. We the minoriuties in Sarawak and Sabah suffer the same predicament. Do we need to go on the street like our Indian friends before we are heard? Please help us. We can not even make the number of 30,000 if we go on the street like the Indians. Perhaps we should go and make a pack with the other races. At least now the spotlight is focused on the Malaysian Indian. We the minoriuties in Sarawak and Sabah suffer the same predicament. Do we need to go on the street like our Indian friends before we are heard? Please help us. We can not even make the number of 30,000 if we go on the street like the Indians. Perhaps we should go and make a pack with the other races.

]]> By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63558 ktteokt Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:43:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63558 They say they are democratic, they claim to be democratic. But are their actions and reactions the least bit DEMOCRATIC??? They say they are democratic, they claim to be democratic. But are their actions and reactions the least bit DEMOCRATIC???

]]> By: Old.observer http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63483 Old.observer Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:02:05 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63483 This is what happens when the government tried to suppress the Hindraf Rally. Everybody linked to the BN government looks silly as a result. MIC looks impotent and irrelevant. Semi Value looks impotent and irrelevant. And then, we have ISA invoked, making AAB becoming even more unpopular. In short, when a first wrong is done, it needs 1,000 more wrongs to cover up the first wrong, that it is a complete waste of time, resources, monies, unnecessary suffering, etc. for everyone directly and indirectly involved. Now, imagine if the opposite scenario had happened, and the government had allowed Hindraf to rally under pre-agreed circumstances. Imagine the rally happening on certain selected routes with less traffic and business interruptions. Imagine fewer police required and Hindraf also shares in ensuring peaceful marches. Then, no tear gas, no chemically laced water, no attempted murder charges, no ISA, no adverse public reactions. And when rally ends, everyone goes home. And Hindraf can still work with MIC and government to address Indian causes after that. Isn't this a clearly much better situation for everybody? So, why didn't the government let Hindraf to rally first? Not Malaysian way and Not Malaysian culture? So, police violence, suppressing genuine messages and invoking ISA is part of proud Malaysian culture then? When situation has developed to the extent that people feel the need to rally, it is futile to suppress it. Let the people express their views, and then, listen to the message and work on that message. Then, the public will clearly respect the current leadership, and will unanimously vote BN in the next election without a doubt. Why? Because then, it would be a mature and responsible leaderhip. Instead, we have this circus of destructiveness, and a country run by clowns. Sigh. Somehow, I wonder if the perpetual clowns still "gets it". Old Observer. This is what happens when the government tried to suppress the Hindraf Rally. Everybody linked to the BN government looks silly as a result. MIC looks impotent and irrelevant. Semi Value looks impotent and irrelevant. And then, we have ISA invoked, making AAB becoming even more unpopular. In short, when a first wrong is done, it needs 1,000 more wrongs to cover up the first wrong, that it is a complete waste of time, resources, monies, unnecessary suffering, etc. for everyone directly and indirectly involved.

Now, imagine if the opposite scenario had happened, and the government had allowed Hindraf to rally under pre-agreed circumstances. Imagine the rally happening on certain selected routes with less traffic and business interruptions. Imagine fewer police required and Hindraf also shares in ensuring peaceful marches. Then, no tear gas, no chemically laced water, no attempted murder charges, no ISA, no adverse public reactions. And when rally ends, everyone goes home. And Hindraf can still work with MIC and government to address Indian causes after that. Isn’t this a clearly much better situation for everybody? So, why didn’t the government let Hindraf to rally first? Not Malaysian way and Not Malaysian culture? So, police violence, suppressing genuine messages and invoking ISA is part of proud Malaysian culture then?

When situation has developed to the extent that people feel the need to rally, it is futile to suppress it. Let the people express their views, and then, listen to the message and work on that message. Then, the public will clearly respect the current leadership, and will unanimously vote BN in the next election without a doubt. Why? Because then, it would be a mature and responsible leaderhip. Instead, we have this circus of destructiveness, and a country run by clowns.

Sigh. Somehow, I wonder if the perpetual clowns still “gets it”.

Old Observer.

]]> By: oknyua http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63477 oknyua Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:13 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63477 I’ve just been back visiting some flood victims. One I met was an Indian doctor who retired from the army. His comments on Hindraf: 1. I promoted two junior MO under me, but later, one became my boss and the other was at par. Hindraf is highlighting people like me, but the gov’t ignored that and instead highlighting the attempted murder. I don’t want to deny them their promotions but what I deserve, don’t take it from me! 2. I am forced to continue working as my son hasn’t completed his degree. As an ex-gov’t servant, what is the difference between mine and their sons? Hindraf saw this imbalance but many issues raised were twisted to make Hindraf looked stupid. But is there any point talking? We talk, we are bad. We don’t talk we are victimised. 3. Samy Vellu? How could he agreed about the income earned by Indians? Just take off his salary and the salaries of his few friends, the average earnings of Indians can’t even reach RM1,000. He can’t even accommodate those who disagree with him. If half of the Indians don’t see eye to eye with him, doesn’t he realise that this group are neglected? Samy can't represent the Indians. I’ve just been back visiting some flood victims. One I met was an Indian doctor who retired from the army. His comments on Hindraf:

1. I promoted two junior MO under me, but later, one became my boss and the other was at par. Hindraf is highlighting people like me, but the gov’t ignored that and instead highlighting the attempted murder. I don’t want to deny them their promotions but what I deserve, don’t take it from me!

2. I am forced to continue working as my son hasn’t completed his degree. As an ex-gov’t servant, what is the difference between mine and their sons? Hindraf saw this imbalance but many issues raised were twisted to make Hindraf looked stupid. But is there any point talking? We talk, we are bad. We don’t talk we are victimised.

3. Samy Vellu? How could he agreed about the income earned by Indians? Just take off his salary and the salaries of his few friends, the average earnings of Indians can’t even reach RM1,000. He can’t even accommodate those who disagree with him. If half of the Indians don’t see eye to eye with him, doesn’t he realise that this group are neglected? Samy can’t represent the Indians.

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63393 Godfather Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:47:10 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63393 Semi Value is more bumiputra than most bumiputras in Bolehland. Semi Value is the enforcer for UMNO contracts, which is why he is indispensable as works minister. In fact the billions of RM of contracts recently announced by AAB - the Penang Bridge, the Railway Double Tracking - require that Semi Value continue in his role of counting the chips for UMNO. One for you, one for me......on behalf of the den of thieves. Semi Value is more bumiputra than most bumiputras in Bolehland. Semi Value is the enforcer for UMNO contracts, which is why he is indispensable as works minister. In fact the billions of RM of contracts recently announced by AAB - the Penang Bridge, the Railway Double Tracking - require that Semi Value continue in his role of counting the chips for UMNO. One for you, one for me……on behalf of the den of thieves.

]]> By: Bigfoot http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63373 Bigfoot Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:23:11 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63373 Where was Badawi's big ears when many NGO's tried to talk to him about what was happening to the Indian community? Even HINDRAF claims that they wrote to him. So where was he then? Why didn't Badawi take the time to meet with them and listen, if he is indeed the PM of all? Why didn't Badawi act? Only now after the HINDRAF demonstration does he call for a meeting with Indian-based NGO's. And after screwing up, Samy now wants to play hero and appeal to the A-G to release the 31 who are being unjustly held, while sticking it to the 5 HINDRAF leaders. Couldn't all of this have been prevented if Badawi really listened and tried to resolve things properly? But no, he holds his AGM on Deepavali, while his son-in-law complains that Indian newspaper men aren't delivering his father-in-laws speech. This whole episode, plus the cast of characters, is totally pathetic. Badawi and Samy are equally responsible, if not more responsible, for this mess than anyone else, including HINDRAF. Where was Badawi’s big ears when many NGO’s tried to talk to him about what was happening to the Indian community? Even HINDRAF claims that they wrote to him. So where was he then? Why didn’t Badawi take the time to meet with them and listen, if he is indeed the PM of all? Why didn’t Badawi act?

Only now after the HINDRAF demonstration does he call for a meeting with Indian-based NGO’s. And after screwing up, Samy now wants to play hero and appeal to the A-G to release the 31 who are being unjustly held, while sticking it to the 5 HINDRAF leaders.

Couldn’t all of this have been prevented if Badawi really listened and tried to resolve things properly? But no, he holds his AGM on Deepavali, while his son-in-law complains that Indian newspaper men aren’t delivering his father-in-laws speech.

This whole episode, plus the cast of characters, is totally pathetic. Badawi and Samy are equally responsible, if not more responsible, for this mess than anyone else, including HINDRAF.

]]> By: noblepath http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63362 noblepath Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:52:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63362 Haha... what a stage up by BN. NGOs they said huh, are they really independent? I don't think so, they are all linked to MIC or Samy Vellu... does the goverment think we are so dumb? At least, I am not... ! Haha… what a stage up by BN. NGOs they said huh, are they really independent? I don’t think so, they are all linked to MIC or Samy Vellu… does the goverment think we are so dumb? At least, I am not… !

]]> By: muscaa http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63347 muscaa Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:04:08 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/#comment-63347 see this samy vellu video in parliament: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dcV9ZjmTc see this samy vellu video in parliament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dcV9ZjmTc

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