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	<title>Comments on: PM-Indian NGOs meeting &#8211; utter failure of MIC and Samy, reduced to silent observer/note-taker</title>
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		<title>By: Furiousity</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/15/pm-indian-ngos-meeting-utter-failure-of-mic-and-samy-reduced-to-silent-observernote-taker/comment-page-1/#comment-63696</link>
		<dc:creator>Furiousity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well good luck on voting out samy bulu out lol
i doubt that its going to work although i wish it will happen for the of indians :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well good luck on voting out samy bulu out lol<br />
i doubt that its going to work although i wish it will happen for the of indians :)</p>
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		<title>By: anakbaram</title>
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		<dc:creator>anakbaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least now the spotlight is focused on the Malaysian Indian. We the minoriuties in Sarawak and Sabah suffer the same predicament. Do we need to go on the street like our Indian friends before we are heard? Please help us. We can not even make the number of 30,000 if we go on the street like the Indians. Perhaps we should go and make a pack with the other races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least now the spotlight is focused on the Malaysian Indian. We the minoriuties in Sarawak and Sabah suffer the same predicament. Do we need to go on the street like our Indian friends before we are heard? Please help us. We can not even make the number of 30,000 if we go on the street like the Indians. Perhaps we should go and make a pack with the other races.</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say they are democratic, they claim to be democratic. But are their actions and reactions the least bit DEMOCRATIC???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say they are democratic, they claim to be democratic. But are their actions and reactions the least bit DEMOCRATIC???</p>
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		<title>By: Old.observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old.observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what happens when the government tried to suppress the Hindraf Rally.  Everybody linked to the BN government looks silly as a result.  MIC looks impotent and irrelevant.  Semi Value looks impotent and irrelevant.  And then, we have ISA invoked, making AAB becoming even more unpopular.  In short, when a first wrong is done, it needs 1,000 more wrongs to cover up the first wrong, that it is a complete waste of time, resources, monies, unnecessary suffering, etc. for everyone directly and indirectly involved.

Now, imagine if the opposite scenario had happened, and the government had allowed Hindraf to rally under pre-agreed circumstances.  Imagine the rally happening on certain selected routes with less traffic and business interruptions.  Imagine fewer police required and Hindraf also shares in ensuring peaceful marches.  Then, no tear gas, no chemically laced water, no attempted murder charges, no ISA, no adverse public reactions.  And when rally ends, everyone goes home.  And Hindraf can still work with MIC and government to address Indian causes after that.  Isn&#039;t this a clearly much better situation for everybody?  So, why didn&#039;t the government let Hindraf to rally first?  Not Malaysian way and Not Malaysian culture?  So, police violence, suppressing genuine messages and invoking ISA is part of proud Malaysian culture then?  

When situation has developed to the extent that people feel the need to rally, it is futile to suppress it.  Let the people express their views, and then, listen to the message and work on that message.  Then, the public will clearly respect the current leadership, and will unanimously vote BN in the next election without a doubt.  Why?  Because then, it would be a mature and responsible leaderhip.  Instead, we have this circus of destructiveness, and a country run by clowns.

Sigh.  Somehow, I wonder if the perpetual clowns still &quot;gets it&quot;.  

Old Observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happens when the government tried to suppress the Hindraf Rally.  Everybody linked to the BN government looks silly as a result.  MIC looks impotent and irrelevant.  Semi Value looks impotent and irrelevant.  And then, we have ISA invoked, making AAB becoming even more unpopular.  In short, when a first wrong is done, it needs 1,000 more wrongs to cover up the first wrong, that it is a complete waste of time, resources, monies, unnecessary suffering, etc. for everyone directly and indirectly involved.</p>
<p>Now, imagine if the opposite scenario had happened, and the government had allowed Hindraf to rally under pre-agreed circumstances.  Imagine the rally happening on certain selected routes with less traffic and business interruptions.  Imagine fewer police required and Hindraf also shares in ensuring peaceful marches.  Then, no tear gas, no chemically laced water, no attempted murder charges, no ISA, no adverse public reactions.  And when rally ends, everyone goes home.  And Hindraf can still work with MIC and government to address Indian causes after that.  Isn&#8217;t this a clearly much better situation for everybody?  So, why didn&#8217;t the government let Hindraf to rally first?  Not Malaysian way and Not Malaysian culture?  So, police violence, suppressing genuine messages and invoking ISA is part of proud Malaysian culture then?  </p>
<p>When situation has developed to the extent that people feel the need to rally, it is futile to suppress it.  Let the people express their views, and then, listen to the message and work on that message.  Then, the public will clearly respect the current leadership, and will unanimously vote BN in the next election without a doubt.  Why?  Because then, it would be a mature and responsible leaderhip.  Instead, we have this circus of destructiveness, and a country run by clowns.</p>
<p>Sigh.  Somehow, I wonder if the perpetual clowns still &#8220;gets it&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Old Observer.</p>
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		<title>By: oknyua</title>
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		<dc:creator>oknyua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™ve just been back visiting some flood victims. One I met was an Indian doctor who retired from the army. His comments on Hindraf: 

1. I promoted two junior MO under me, but later, one became my boss and the other was at par. Hindraf is highlighting people like me, but the govâ€™t ignored that and instead highlighting the attempted murder. I donâ€™t want to deny them their promotions but what I deserve, donâ€™t take it from me!

2. I am forced to continue working as my son hasnâ€™t completed his degree. As an ex-govâ€™t servant, what is the difference between mine and their sons? Hindraf saw this imbalance but many issues raised were twisted to make Hindraf looked stupid. But is there any point talking? We talk, we are bad. We donâ€™t talk we are victimised. 

3. Samy Vellu? How could he agreed about the income earned by Indians? Just take off his salary and the salaries of his few friends, the average earnings of Indians canâ€™t even reach RM1,000. He canâ€™t even accommodate those who disagree with him. If half of the Indians donâ€™t see eye to eye with him, doesnâ€™t he realise that this group are neglected? Samy can&#039;t represent the Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™ve just been back visiting some flood victims. One I met was an Indian doctor who retired from the army. His comments on Hindraf: </p>
<p>1. I promoted two junior MO under me, but later, one became my boss and the other was at par. Hindraf is highlighting people like me, but the govâ€™t ignored that and instead highlighting the attempted murder. I donâ€™t want to deny them their promotions but what I deserve, donâ€™t take it from me!</p>
<p>2. I am forced to continue working as my son hasnâ€™t completed his degree. As an ex-govâ€™t servant, what is the difference between mine and their sons? Hindraf saw this imbalance but many issues raised were twisted to make Hindraf looked stupid. But is there any point talking? We talk, we are bad. We donâ€™t talk we are victimised. </p>
<p>3. Samy Vellu? How could he agreed about the income earned by Indians? Just take off his salary and the salaries of his few friends, the average earnings of Indians canâ€™t even reach RM1,000. He canâ€™t even accommodate those who disagree with him. If half of the Indians donâ€™t see eye to eye with him, doesnâ€™t he realise that this group are neglected? Samy can&#8217;t represent the Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semi Value is more bumiputra than most bumiputras in Bolehland.  Semi Value is the enforcer for UMNO contracts, which is why he is indispensable as works minister.  In fact the billions of RM of contracts recently announced by AAB - the Penang Bridge, the Railway Double Tracking - require that Semi Value continue in his role of counting the chips for UMNO.  One for you, one for me......on behalf of the den of thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semi Value is more bumiputra than most bumiputras in Bolehland.  Semi Value is the enforcer for UMNO contracts, which is why he is indispensable as works minister.  In fact the billions of RM of contracts recently announced by AAB &#8211; the Penang Bridge, the Railway Double Tracking &#8211; require that Semi Value continue in his role of counting the chips for UMNO.  One for you, one for me&#8230;&#8230;on behalf of the den of thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was Badawi&#039;s big ears when many NGO&#039;s tried to talk to him about what was happening to the Indian community?  Even HINDRAF claims that they wrote to him. So where was he then?   Why didn&#039;t Badawi take the time to meet with them and listen, if he is indeed the PM of all? Why didn&#039;t Badawi act?

Only now after the HINDRAF demonstration does he call for a meeting with Indian-based NGO&#039;s.  And after screwing up, Samy now wants to play hero and appeal to the A-G to release the 31 who are being unjustly held, while sticking it to the 5 HINDRAF leaders. 

Couldn&#039;t all of this have been prevented if Badawi really listened and tried to resolve things properly?  But no, he holds his AGM on Deepavali, while his son-in-law complains that Indian newspaper men aren&#039;t delivering his father-in-laws speech.

This whole episode, plus the cast of characters, is totally pathetic.  Badawi and Samy are equally responsible, if not more responsible, for this mess than anyone else, including HINDRAF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was Badawi&#8217;s big ears when many NGO&#8217;s tried to talk to him about what was happening to the Indian community?  Even HINDRAF claims that they wrote to him. So where was he then?   Why didn&#8217;t Badawi take the time to meet with them and listen, if he is indeed the PM of all? Why didn&#8217;t Badawi act?</p>
<p>Only now after the HINDRAF demonstration does he call for a meeting with Indian-based NGO&#8217;s.  And after screwing up, Samy now wants to play hero and appeal to the A-G to release the 31 who are being unjustly held, while sticking it to the 5 HINDRAF leaders. </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t all of this have been prevented if Badawi really listened and tried to resolve things properly?  But no, he holds his AGM on Deepavali, while his son-in-law complains that Indian newspaper men aren&#8217;t delivering his father-in-laws speech.</p>
<p>This whole episode, plus the cast of characters, is totally pathetic.  Badawi and Samy are equally responsible, if not more responsible, for this mess than anyone else, including HINDRAF.</p>
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		<title>By: noblepath</title>
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		<dc:creator>noblepath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha... what a stage up by BN. NGOs they said huh, are they really independent? I don&#039;t think so, they are all linked to MIC or Samy Vellu... does the goverment think we are so dumb? At least, I am not... !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; what a stage up by BN. NGOs they said huh, are they really independent? I don&#8217;t think so, they are all linked to MIC or Samy Vellu&#8230; does the goverment think we are so dumb? At least, I am not&#8230; !</p>
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		<title>By: muscaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>muscaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see this samy vellu video in parliament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dcV9ZjmTc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see this samy vellu video in parliament:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dcV9ZjmTc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dcV9ZjmTc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cinapek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinapek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moment I read about the meeting in the papers, the first thought that came to my mind was would AAB have bothered to meet the Indian NGOs if the Hindraf march had not happened?

To my mind, the whole intention of the meeting was an attempt at damge control  when it dawned on AAB that his goons had gone overboard with their temple demolitions and the tragic circumstances of the various Indian convert cases which have finally driven the Indians over the wall and force them to take to the streets. In the process, AAB also is trying to salvage support for the MIC by including them in the meeting because he knows they have lost the Indian support.

But by meeting the NGOs only after the Hindraf march, AAB has slapped himself in the face. On the one hand, he and his Govt. had tried to demonise  Hindraf and thie cause yet by meeting the NGOs, he has conceded that Hindraf was right and the Indians do have serious dissatisfactions. He has also slapped MIC in the face because by meeting the NGOs, he is in effect saying that the MIC has failed to fight for the rights of the Indians all along. What happened to all those claims AAB has made about regular discussions in the Cabinet and regular feedbacks from MIC? If this meeting has to take place for AAB to hear directly from the NGOs it would mean:

1) The MIC has neglected to feedback all along or feedback the wrong message
2) AAB never bothered to listen
3) Those purported feedbacks never took place 

None of which speaks well of this BN Govt.

I wonder if the same mess happens to the other races though I am sure AAB gets his feedback from the UMNO members at their meetings. What would the other races need to do to get AAB to meet them and hear them directly instead of through their self proclaimed but useless representatives such as the MCA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moment I read about the meeting in the papers, the first thought that came to my mind was would AAB have bothered to meet the Indian NGOs if the Hindraf march had not happened?</p>
<p>To my mind, the whole intention of the meeting was an attempt at damge control  when it dawned on AAB that his goons had gone overboard with their temple demolitions and the tragic circumstances of the various Indian convert cases which have finally driven the Indians over the wall and force them to take to the streets. In the process, AAB also is trying to salvage support for the MIC by including them in the meeting because he knows they have lost the Indian support.</p>
<p>But by meeting the NGOs only after the Hindraf march, AAB has slapped himself in the face. On the one hand, he and his Govt. had tried to demonise  Hindraf and thie cause yet by meeting the NGOs, he has conceded that Hindraf was right and the Indians do have serious dissatisfactions. He has also slapped MIC in the face because by meeting the NGOs, he is in effect saying that the MIC has failed to fight for the rights of the Indians all along. What happened to all those claims AAB has made about regular discussions in the Cabinet and regular feedbacks from MIC? If this meeting has to take place for AAB to hear directly from the NGOs it would mean:</p>
<p>1) The MIC has neglected to feedback all along or feedback the wrong message<br />
2) AAB never bothered to listen<br />
3) Those purported feedbacks never took place </p>
<p>None of which speaks well of this BN Govt.</p>
<p>I wonder if the same mess happens to the other races though I am sure AAB gets his feedback from the UMNO members at their meetings. What would the other races need to do to get AAB to meet them and hear them directly instead of through their self proclaimed but useless representatives such as the MCA?</p>
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		<title>By: hutchrun</title>
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		<dc:creator>hutchrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With scant knowledge, once again Najib shows he is unfit to be the next PM.
Guantanamo is for those caught in the war zone. Hindraf members did not resort to arms.
Under the US anti-terrorism bill, offenders are brought to court. Some get freed on account of leftist jurors who intimidate other jurors. Others like this latest:

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) - Two of four men accused of plotting attacks on Southern California military sites and Jewish targets have agreed to plead guilty to terrorism conspiracy charges, prosecutors said.
Kevin James and Levar Haley Washington were set to enter the pleas Friday in federal court in Santa Ana, the U.S. attorneyâ€™s office said in a statement. Both were indicted in 2005 on federal charges including conspiring to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With scant knowledge, once again Najib shows he is unfit to be the next PM.<br />
Guantanamo is for those caught in the war zone. Hindraf members did not resort to arms.<br />
Under the US anti-terrorism bill, offenders are brought to court. Some get freed on account of leftist jurors who intimidate other jurors. Others like this latest:</p>
<p>SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) &#8211; Two of four men accused of plotting attacks on Southern California military sites and Jewish targets have agreed to plead guilty to terrorism conspiracy charges, prosecutors said.<br />
Kevin James and Levar Haley Washington were set to enter the pleas Friday in federal court in Santa Ana, the U.S. attorneyâ€™s office said in a statement. Both were indicted in 2005 on federal charges including conspiring to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindraf detainees is equivalent to Guantanamo Bay captives--- but how many people have Hindraf killed? How can one be a terrorist without ever killing anyone?
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/2109905/Article/index_html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindraf detainees is equivalent to Guantanamo Bay captives&#8212; but how many people have Hindraf killed? How can one be a terrorist without ever killing anyone?<br />
<a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/2109905/Article/index_html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/2109905/Article/index_html</a></p>
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		<title>By: raven77</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For generations to come, Samy Velu&#039;s name will be the curse of every Indian in this country [deleted]......The man doesnt believe in the saying that &quot; a man is remembered by his good deeds&quot;....this man will be quickly forgotten, as will Badawi and Mahathir......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For generations to come, Samy Velu&#8217;s name will be the curse of every Indian in this country [deleted]&#8230;&#8230;The man doesnt believe in the saying that &#8221; a man is remembered by his good deeds&#8221;&#8230;.this man will be quickly forgotten, as will Badawi and Mahathir&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jbhlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbhlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonny,..I think many Malays also voted against Samy so don&#039;t generalise. We ave to win them over not chastise them. Only UMNO, MIC, MCA and POSTAL VOTES gave him the win. I believe in the last election many Chinese and Indians also voted for Samy..not just Malays. So do more analysis before opening your mouth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonny,..I think many Malays also voted against Samy so don&#8217;t generalise. We ave to win them over not chastise them. Only UMNO, MIC, MCA and POSTAL VOTES gave him the win. I believe in the last election many Chinese and Indians also voted for Samy..not just Malays. So do more analysis before opening your mouth!</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening is the best way of communication. Look the whole episode about the 14 NGOs were to do a damage control exercise in which Sami wld take centre-stage to claim he will be &#039;fighting&#039; the authorities to bring the 31 heroes who are in jail. Later he&#039;ll play a game that his interference had made the 5 ISA detainees to be released. Whatever said &amp; done, damage has been done. All MIC representative would be shown the exit door come this GE. No reincarnation of MGR, live duets of RajniKanth or pat on the back by the CM of Tamil Nadu will be able to rescue the Malaysian Indian Crooks. The nature will take its course. We have lost a generation because of these [deleted].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening is the best way of communication. Look the whole episode about the 14 NGOs were to do a damage control exercise in which Sami wld take centre-stage to claim he will be &#8216;fighting&#8217; the authorities to bring the 31 heroes who are in jail. Later he&#8217;ll play a game that his interference had made the 5 ISA detainees to be released. Whatever said &amp; done, damage has been done. All MIC representative would be shown the exit door come this GE. No reincarnation of MGR, live duets of RajniKanth or pat on the back by the CM of Tamil Nadu will be able to rescue the Malaysian Indian Crooks. The nature will take its course. We have lost a generation because of these [deleted].</p>
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		<title>By: chgchksg128</title>
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		<dc:creator>chgchksg128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont let emotion run over..both Hindraf and government
it is good NGO is trying to help
http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/when-i-stucked-in-traffic-jam-arund-6.html
http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-get-to-read-this-columnist-in-bangkok.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont let emotion run over..both Hindraf and government<br />
it is good NGO is trying to help<br />
<a href="http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/when-i-stucked-in-traffic-jam-arund-6.html" rel="nofollow">http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/when-i-stucked-in-traffic-jam-arund-6.html</a><br />
<a href="http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-get-to-read-this-columnist-in-bangkok.html" rel="nofollow">http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-get-to-read-this-columnist-in-bangkok.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jamesy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is also proof of the complete irrelevance of the MIC as the Barisan Nasional component party for the Indians and the utter failure of Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu after over 28 years as the MIC President and sole Indian Cabinet Minister to the extent that he had been reduced to the pathetic role of a silent observer and note-taker at the meeting yesterday.&quot;
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Question is why Pak Lah brings along a marginalised leader in the BN like Samy Vellu into its meeting together with the other 14 Indian NGOs knowing that Samy Vellu relevancy in this meeting is reduced to silent observer and note-taker? To show the 14 Indian NGOs that Samy Vellu is a living proof of a marginalised leader within the Indian community? Hmmm.......Interesting development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is also proof of the complete irrelevance of the MIC as the Barisan Nasional component party for the Indians and the utter failure of Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu after over 28 years as the MIC President and sole Indian Cabinet Minister to the extent that he had been reduced to the pathetic role of a silent observer and note-taker at the meeting yesterday.&#8221;<br />
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Question is why Pak Lah brings along a marginalised leader in the BN like Samy Vellu into its meeting together with the other 14 Indian NGOs knowing that Samy Vellu relevancy in this meeting is reduced to silent observer and note-taker? To show the 14 Indian NGOs that Samy Vellu is a living proof of a marginalised leader within the Indian community? Hmmm&#8230;&#8230;.Interesting development.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note-taking, Uncle Sami?

Hold on ... not only note-taking. Got also hotline number to record all grievances. (Record only, action or no action, we don&#039;t know).

He will still win in his seat la. He does not count on the Indians. Indians have lost hope in them. But not the Malays in his constituency.

Time we need to wake up our Malays brothers &amp; sisters.

Are we still day dreaming of Ketuanan Melayu?

In the new era, it shall be Ketuanan Ekonomi China, India and Singapura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note-taking, Uncle Sami?</p>
<p>Hold on &#8230; not only note-taking. Got also hotline number to record all grievances. (Record only, action or no action, we don&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>He will still win in his seat la. He does not count on the Indians. Indians have lost hope in them. But not the Malays in his constituency.</p>
<p>Time we need to wake up our Malays brothers &amp; sisters.</p>
<p>Are we still day dreaming of Ketuanan Melayu?</p>
<p>In the new era, it shall be Ketuanan Ekonomi China, India and Singapura.</p>
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		<title>By: somaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>somaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO
AII INDIAN,
Do not vote SAMY VELOOOO,you got much better person to vote than him.all he care is bout himself and take all the poor people money.now he is showing that he is care for the hindian .its to late now.all this his drama with the umno.
THROW HIM OUT.
BRING SHAME TO INDIAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO<br />
AII INDIAN,<br />
Do not vote SAMY VELOOOO,you got much better person to vote than him.all he care is bout himself and take all the poor people money.now he is showing that he is care for the hindian .its to late now.all this his drama with the umno.<br />
THROW HIM OUT.<br />
BRING SHAME TO INDIAN.</p>
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		<title>By: vehir</title>
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		<dc:creator>vehir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Semi Value has come forward and said that he will speak to the PM to release the 31 Malaysian chanrged for attempted murder of a policeman. This was what said in the Astro Tamil News yesterday.

I just want to ask him one question. Where was the so called Indian Leader for Indians all this days when the 31 persons were brought to the court, charged without giving bail and send to jail.

He is making drama to gain the support of the Indians. The so called Semi Value has supported the 5 Hindraf heroes to be put under ISA. 

Now the 5 heroes of Hindraf (lawyers) cannot argue for the 31 in court. So Semi Value took this oppourtunity which he planned for 3 weeks that after sending the 5 heroes from Hindraf under ISA,  he has said yesterday he will help to the release the 31 charged and jailed for going against the police at Batu Caves.

I appeal to the Indian community if Semi Value succeeded in getting the 31 freed without any charges, all of us as Malaysian must ask for ourself why didnt the 5 heroes could not do it ? The 5 hereos was making use of all laws to fight against the government to set them free.

If the 31 is out, then the courts were jammed and the laws were withheld for 3 weeks just for 1 person Semi Value to get the support of the Indians.

Its too late for Semi Value to regain the confidence from the Indians. Every Indians are boiled up with anger. Every Indian has said sayonara for him. 

The Indians are the King Maker (deciding factor) in the General Election. Now after many incidents which the government went against the Indians where MIC cannot do anything all for sure have decided take all the goods things the MIC and BN led-governments throws and gives to the Indians from now on and when the General Election comes just vote for the opposition (PAS,DAP,PKR) etc.

The Indian have been taken fro a ride by MIC. Their investment arms MAIKA holdings took RM100million from the poor Indians.What they got back nothing. When they asked for their shares they were attacked.

When the government gave their shares to the Indian community it also did not reach the Indian community. Where it went? Who will reply to this? Will God reply?

The Indians gave their money but got nothing, the government gave their shares in any form  also did not reach the Indian community. Who hijacked all this funds or misappropriated?

So cast your vote wisely and vote out BN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Semi Value has come forward and said that he will speak to the PM to release the 31 Malaysian chanrged for attempted murder of a policeman. This was what said in the Astro Tamil News yesterday.</p>
<p>I just want to ask him one question. Where was the so called Indian Leader for Indians all this days when the 31 persons were brought to the court, charged without giving bail and send to jail.</p>
<p>He is making drama to gain the support of the Indians. The so called Semi Value has supported the 5 Hindraf heroes to be put under ISA. </p>
<p>Now the 5 heroes of Hindraf (lawyers) cannot argue for the 31 in court. So Semi Value took this oppourtunity which he planned for 3 weeks that after sending the 5 heroes from Hindraf under ISA,  he has said yesterday he will help to the release the 31 charged and jailed for going against the police at Batu Caves.</p>
<p>I appeal to the Indian community if Semi Value succeeded in getting the 31 freed without any charges, all of us as Malaysian must ask for ourself why didnt the 5 heroes could not do it ? The 5 hereos was making use of all laws to fight against the government to set them free.</p>
<p>If the 31 is out, then the courts were jammed and the laws were withheld for 3 weeks just for 1 person Semi Value to get the support of the Indians.</p>
<p>Its too late for Semi Value to regain the confidence from the Indians. Every Indians are boiled up with anger. Every Indian has said sayonara for him. </p>
<p>The Indians are the King Maker (deciding factor) in the General Election. Now after many incidents which the government went against the Indians where MIC cannot do anything all for sure have decided take all the goods things the MIC and BN led-governments throws and gives to the Indians from now on and when the General Election comes just vote for the opposition (PAS,DAP,PKR) etc.</p>
<p>The Indian have been taken fro a ride by MIC. Their investment arms MAIKA holdings took RM100million from the poor Indians.What they got back nothing. When they asked for their shares they were attacked.</p>
<p>When the government gave their shares to the Indian community it also did not reach the Indian community. Where it went? Who will reply to this? Will God reply?</p>
<p>The Indians gave their money but got nothing, the government gave their shares in any form  also did not reach the Indian community. Who hijacked all this funds or misappropriated?</p>
<p>So cast your vote wisely and vote out BN.</p>
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