Comments on: Abdullah’s Black Sunday for human rights on International Human Rights Day http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mwt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62278 mwt Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:16:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62278 Peaceful assembly or walk on a Sunday may not be a serious offence but when the 9 were charged on Monday, the AG Gani Patail said: “the prosecution will prove that their actions may lead to public disorder and more unlawful assemblies," he said. At this juncture, laughter broke out in the courtroom, which was packed mostly with lawyers, prompting Gani to tell the court that this was no laughing matter as it involved national security. More details <a href="http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-pics-video-9-in-aborted-rights.html" rel="nofollow">Go H E R E</a> Plus a 3.24min Video Clip (with Clips within Clip) on the police aborted Peace Walk Peaceful assembly or walk on a Sunday may not be a serious offence but when the 9 were charged on Monday, the AG Gani Patail said: “the prosecution will prove that their actions may lead to public disorder and more unlawful assemblies,” he said. At this juncture, laughter broke out in the courtroom, which was packed mostly with lawyers, prompting Gani to tell the court that this was no laughing matter as it involved national security.
More details
Go H E R E
Plus a 3.24min Video Clip (with Clips within Clip) on the police aborted Peace Walk

]]> By: Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » Blackest day for Parliament in 50 years http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62174 Lim Kit Siang » Blog Archive » Blackest day for Parliament in 50 years Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:26:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62174 [...] blackest day for Parliament in 50 years after the Black Sunday of Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in his fifth year as fifth Prime Minister of [...] [...] blackest day for Parliament in 50 years after the Black Sunday of Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in his fifth year as fifth Prime Minister of [...]

]]> By: g2geetoo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62133 g2geetoo Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:59:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62133 Why is Umno so quiet about these street marches? Why caren't they retaliating, after all this is politics? Silence means they accept that the street marches are correct? The factions in Umno is making Umno weak as a party and by keeping quiet means there is a power struggle going on in Umno and probably the street marches are planned by the peolpe within Umno to create unrest and continue shaking Badawi's chair! Badawi, out of desperation has no choice but to start arresting people who believe in true democracy since he is not able to contain the fire within Umno. My fellow citizens, the street marches can never be racial, otherwise this would provide an opportuntiy for the Umno fellows to make it an excuse to start the fire! As long as street marches are for justice, democracy and fairness.........MARCH ON! Why is Umno so quiet about these street marches? Why caren’t they retaliating, after all this is politics? Silence means they accept that the street marches are correct? The factions in Umno is making Umno weak as a party and by keeping quiet means there is a power struggle going on in Umno and probably the street marches are planned by the peolpe within Umno to create unrest and continue shaking Badawi’s chair!

Badawi, out of desperation has no choice but to start arresting people who believe in true democracy since he is not able to contain the fire within Umno.

My fellow citizens, the street marches can never be racial, otherwise this would provide an opportuntiy for the Umno fellows to make it an excuse to start the fire!

As long as street marches are for justice, democracy and fairness………MARCH ON!

]]> By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62110 ktteokt Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:29:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62110 Human rights in Malaysia? What human rights? They do not even treat the people like human beings? so what rights are you talking about? Only UMNO dogs are supposed to be "human" in Malaysia you know? Human rights in Malaysia? What human rights? They do not even treat the people like human beings? so what rights are you talking about? Only UMNO dogs are supposed to be “human” in Malaysia you know?

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62103 undergrad2 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:14:33 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62103 "Pantang di cabar" is usually used in a defensive sense. These words are used by a leader who has the power to change things but has not used that power out of consideration for his adversary. However, when provoked he is prepared to use 'deadly force'. It is a matter of perception - his. “Pantang di cabar” is usually used in a defensive sense. These words are used by a leader who has the power to change things but has not used that power out of consideration for his adversary. However, when provoked he is prepared to use ‘deadly force’. It is a matter of perception – his.

]]> By: Bigjoe http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62099 Bigjoe Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:58:30 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62099 What goads me is this PM don't get it that these rallies are about broken promises. Instead he see it as people 'challenging him' because he is allows too much freedom. So this crackdown really is about covering up broken promises. He of course see it as promises delayed not broken which is the problem. Most have seen that his promises are broken or will be but he does not. In the end, its a crises of confidence and it will just keep mounting... What goads me is this PM don’t get it that these rallies are about broken promises. Instead he see it as people ‘challenging him’ because he is allows too much freedom.

So this crackdown really is about covering up broken promises. He of course see it as promises delayed not broken which is the problem. Most have seen that his promises are broken or will be but he does not.

In the end, its a crises of confidence and it will just keep mounting…

]]> By: Count Dracula http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62088 Count Dracula Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:01:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62088 Do I smell blood? Do I smell blood?

]]> By: Colonel http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62063 Colonel Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:22:37 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62063 She must be nearing her menstrual cycle. She must be nearing her menstrual cycle.

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62050 DarkHorse Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:37:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62050 "Wong called on the government to respect fundamental human rights, considering Malaysia is a sitting member of United Nations Human Rights Council. If they are unable to fulfill their obligations in the protection and promotion of fundamental liberties in Malaysia, it is only right that Malaysia seat be vacated in the Council,” Elizabeth Wong Is she also saying that countries like China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, and African countries, Russia should also give up their seats on the Council? China certainly is top of the list for human rights violations. Since when has the country's track record in human rights been the criteria for admission to the Council?? Does she think we're stupid?? “Wong called on the government to respect fundamental human rights, considering Malaysia is a sitting member of United Nations Human Rights Council. If they are unable to fulfill their obligations in the protection and promotion of fundamental liberties in Malaysia, it is only right that Malaysia seat be vacated in the Council,” Elizabeth Wong

Is she also saying that countries like China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, and African countries, Russia should also give up their seats on the Council? China certainly is top of the list for human rights violations.

Since when has the country’s track record in human rights been the criteria for admission to the Council?? Does she think we’re stupid??

]]> By: borrring http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-62014 borrring Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:54:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-62014 What human rights?? No one is above the law, except PM & his corrupted ministers What human rights??

No one is above the law, except PM & his corrupted ministers

]]> By: mendela http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61972 mendela Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:47:12 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61972 Today Malaysiakini reported //The opposition-backed election watchdog Bersih accused Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Inspector-General of Police Musa Hasan of making fraudulent claims pertaining to its Nov 10 rally. // Ever since Bodowi became the PM, he has been telling lies all days. This is not news at all! Today Malaysiakini reported //The opposition-backed election watchdog Bersih accused Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Inspector-General of Police Musa Hasan of making fraudulent claims pertaining to its Nov 10 rally. //

Ever since Bodowi became the PM, he has been telling lies all days. This is not news at all!

]]> By: Be fair http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61971 Be fair Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:46:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61971 Human rights? Malaysia has not much of it especially if there r some issues. In a few more years we will have another world wide recession . Then we can see even more outright discriminations. Human rights? Malaysia has not much of it especially if there r some issues. In a few more years we will have another world wide recession . Then we can see even more outright discriminations.

]]> By: sj http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61970 sj Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:42:41 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61970 Was the motion denied? Or was it simply sucked into vacuums of oblivion where it will eventually disappear and be forgotten? Was the motion denied? Or was it simply sucked into vacuums of oblivion where it will eventually disappear and be forgotten?

]]> By: 9to5 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61969 9to5 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:41:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61969 Bersih and the oppositions should organise another massive rally to denounce the arrests and disruption of the celebration of this Sunday's international human rights day by the present oppressive regime. Purposes are: 1. to show to the present Government that malaysians (including the many silent majority) don't want their rights trampled upon and taken for granted; and 2. to bring the fight to the international arena. The odds are greatly stacked against the oppositions when the fight against the present corrupted regime is carried out in Malaysia. This is because UMNO presently controls the parliament, media, judges and the police in Malaysia. Once out in the international arena and involves international groups' attention, only then the oppositions can face a fair fight! Bersih and the oppositions should organise another massive rally to denounce the arrests and disruption of the celebration of this Sunday’s international human rights day by the present oppressive regime.

Purposes are:

1. to show to the present Government that malaysians (including the many silent majority) don’t want their rights trampled upon and taken for granted; and

2. to bring the fight to the international arena.

The odds are greatly stacked against the oppositions when the fight against the present corrupted regime is carried out in Malaysia. This is because UMNO presently controls the parliament, media, judges and the police in Malaysia.

Once out in the international arena and involves international groups’ attention, only then the oppositions can face a fair fight!

]]> By: vehir http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61967 vehir Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:22:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61967 Hindraf legal advisor has given press statement to asiantribune.com. full text www.indianmalaysia.com December, (Asiantribune.com): Sami Velu is a proxy of the UMNO led Government. In exchange for the salary, the royal awards and also some Government contracts he may gets, his job is to cheat the Indian community. His full time job is to cheat the Indian community and short change the Indians. (....more) Hindraf legal advisor has given press statement to asiantribune.com.
full text http://www.indianmalaysia.com

December, (Asiantribune.com): Sami Velu is a proxy of the UMNO led Government. In exchange for the salary, the royal awards and also some Government contracts he may gets, his job is to cheat the Indian community. His full time job is to cheat the Indian community and short change the Indians. (….more)

]]> By: motai http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61966 motai Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:22:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61966 Crackdown will not deter future mass actions The arrests of Tian Chua, the Information Chief of the People's Justice Party (KeADILan), Mohamad Sabu, the Vice-President of Pan-Islamic Party (PAS) and 12 other persons associated with the BERSIH rally on 10th November 2007 will not deter future mass actions, said Elizabeth Wong from the KeADILan Information Bureau. Wong, who is also the Information Chief of the Women's Wing of KeADILan, said, "If the government believes its actions will frighten us from exercising our fundamental right to assemble peacefully, they are sorely mistaken." Tian Chua was arrested on Sunday after his presentation at a human rights forum in Johor Bahru, while Mohammad Sabu was arrested amidst his daughter's wedding in Ipoh. Both men have been brought back to Kuala Lumpur under police custody, where they are expected to be charged together with 12 other persons from PAS's Unit Amal for 'illegal assembly' on Monday, 10th December at the Duta Magistrates Court. Wong said, the TV3 report at 8 o'clock that Tian Chua was released on police bail was an outright lie. "At 8:24 pm, Tian Chua sent a text message, stating that he was about to reach Nilai in a police car, and was heading towards the Jalan Stadium Police lockup." Wong also slammed the arrests on Sunday morning of lawyers and activists during the march to commemorate World Human Rights Day and the harassment of the Bar Council. Two KeADILan lawyers, R. Sivarasa, its Vice-President and Latheefa Koya, a member of the party's Supreme Council were arrested with 7 other persons. Wong added that the Bureau had received information that another member of the Party's Supreme Council, N. Gobalakrishnan, was also arrested on Sunday and will be brought to the Shah Alam Magistrates Court on Monday, to be the 32nd person charged for attempted murder of a police officer during the HINDRAF rally. "This is the biggest clampdown on democratic voices since Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi took power four years ago. "It is not coincidental that in past weeks, there have been mass arrests and intense harassment, where the government has began their concerted operation to come down hard on all forms of dissent, from BERSIH and HINDRAF to the Bar Council and even bloggers such as Jeff Ooi. "We believe Abdullah Badawi may be desperate enough to order the arrest of Anwar Ibrahim, together with other opposition leaders, Hadi Awang and Lim Kit Siang as they too were present at the Bersih rally," she added. Wong called on the government to respect fundamental human rights, considering Malaysia is a sitting member of United Nations Human Rights Council. "If they are unable to fulfill their obligations in the protection and promotion of fundamental liberties in Malaysia, it is only right that Malaysia seat be vacated in the Council," she said. Elizabeth Wong People's Justice Party 9th December 2007 Crackdown will not deter future mass actions
The arrests of Tian Chua, the Information Chief of the People’s Justice Party (KeADILan), Mohamad Sabu, the Vice-President of Pan-Islamic Party (PAS) and 12 other persons associated with the BERSIH rally on 10th November 2007 will not deter future mass actions, said Elizabeth Wong from the KeADILan Information Bureau.
Wong, who is also the Information Chief of the Women’s Wing of KeADILan, said, “If the government believes its actions will frighten us from exercising our fundamental right to assemble peacefully, they are sorely mistaken.”

Tian Chua was arrested on Sunday after his presentation at a human rights forum in Johor Bahru, while Mohammad Sabu was arrested amidst his daughter’s wedding in Ipoh. Both men have been brought back to Kuala Lumpur under police custody, where they are expected to be charged together with 12 other persons from PAS’s Unit Amal for ‘illegal assembly’ on Monday, 10th December at the Duta Magistrates Court.

Wong said, the TV3 report at 8 o’clock that Tian Chua was released on police bail was an outright lie.

“At 8:24 pm, Tian Chua sent a text message, stating that he was about to reach Nilai in a police car, and was heading towards the Jalan Stadium Police lockup.”

Wong also slammed the arrests on Sunday morning of lawyers and activists during the march to commemorate World Human Rights Day and the harassment of the Bar Council.

Two KeADILan lawyers, R. Sivarasa, its Vice-President and Latheefa Koya, a member of the party’s Supreme Council were arrested with 7 other persons.

Wong added that the Bureau had received information that another member of the Party’s Supreme Council, N. Gobalakrishnan, was also arrested on Sunday and will be brought to the Shah Alam Magistrates Court on Monday, to be the 32nd person charged for attempted murder of a police officer during the HINDRAF rally.

“This is the biggest clampdown on democratic voices since Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi took power four years ago.

“It is not coincidental that in past weeks, there have been mass arrests and intense harassment, where the government has began their concerted operation to come down hard on all forms of dissent, from BERSIH and HINDRAF to the Bar Council and even bloggers such as Jeff Ooi.

“We believe Abdullah Badawi may be desperate enough to order the arrest of Anwar Ibrahim, together with other opposition leaders, Hadi Awang and Lim Kit Siang as they too were present at the Bersih rally,” she added.

Wong called on the government to respect fundamental human rights, considering Malaysia is a sitting member of United Nations Human Rights Council.

“If they are unable to fulfill their obligations in the protection and promotion of fundamental liberties in Malaysia, it is only right that Malaysia seat be vacated in the Council,” she said.

Elizabeth Wong
People’s Justice Party
9th December 2007

]]> By: Short-sleeve http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61965 Short-sleeve Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:13:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61965 Congrats Malaysians. You got what you voted for. Congrats! We are now a police state. Congrats Malaysians. You got what you voted for.

Congrats! We are now a police state.

]]> By: cheng on soo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61964 cheng on soo Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:12:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61964 5 person / permit thing, implement strictly, foreign visitors who come in groups larger than 5 will have good chance to have free accomodation n food for min 1 day, courtesy of PDRM, just forget to apply permit. 5 person / permit thing, implement strictly, foreign visitors who come in groups larger than 5 will have good chance to have free accomodation n food for min 1 day, courtesy of PDRM, just forget to apply permit.

]]> By: Tulip Crescent http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61962 Tulip Crescent Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:08:59 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61962 When Dr Mahathir was in power, I asked him rhetorically in a website called www.dranees.org (set up in honour of Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim's speech writer Dr Anees by the latter's friends) how long he expected to be in power. I also told him that Daud (or King David) and Sulaiman (King Solomon) ruled only 40 years each, according to the Good Book. In the result, Dr Mahathir had only 22 years from July 16, 1981, till Oct 31, 2003. So political power is ephemeral. And when he was out, he was among the first to criticise the government led by his hand-picked successor Dato Seri Abdullah Badawi. Now, Pak Lah can also be asked the same question. He has served more than four years. So how many years is he expecting to serve? And what kind of legacy is he going to leave behind? Black Sundays? Arrests of lawyers and whatever have you? When Dr Mahathir was in power, I asked him rhetorically in a website called http://www.dranees.org (set up in honour of Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s speech writer Dr Anees by the latter’s friends) how long he expected to be in power.

I also told him that Daud (or King David) and Sulaiman (King Solomon) ruled only 40 years each, according to the Good Book.

In the result, Dr Mahathir had only 22 years from July 16, 1981, till Oct 31, 2003. So political power is ephemeral. And when he was out, he was among the first to criticise the government led by his hand-picked successor Dato Seri Abdullah Badawi.

Now, Pak Lah can also be asked the same question. He has served more than four years. So how many years is he expecting to serve? And what kind of legacy is he going to leave behind?

Black Sundays? Arrests of lawyers and whatever have you?

]]> By: cheng on soo http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/comment-page-1/#comment-61960 cheng on soo Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:03:20 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/10/abdullahs-black-sunday-for-human-rights-on-international-human-rights-day/#comment-61960 If every outdoor gathering of 5 persons or more must apply permit, to implement strictly, need a hugh police dept just to handle this, e.g teachers with student for field works, outdoor games, job interviews, outdoor parties /receptions, family / friend outdoor barbeques, festival gathering, tourist guides with tourist, site sell houses, outdoor mamak /hawker stalls /restaurants /cafe, outdoor forums, schools /any sports event, pasar malam / pagi, construction sites works or meetings or inspections etc, family / friends outings. visit with 3 kids /a spouse to parents /siblings / friends houses etc. How the present police dept can cope is anyone guess! Even had a makan or with yr kids /spouse /friends at yr neighbourhood stalls or shopping at pasar malam need a permit. So anyone must apply for more than 10 permits every month! So , need to practice double standards loh! If every outdoor gathering of 5 persons or more must apply permit, to implement strictly, need a hugh police dept just to handle this,
e.g teachers with student for field works, outdoor games, job interviews, outdoor parties /receptions, family / friend outdoor barbeques, festival gathering, tourist guides with tourist, site sell houses, outdoor mamak /hawker stalls /restaurants /cafe, outdoor forums, schools /any sports event, pasar malam / pagi, construction sites works or meetings or inspections etc, family / friends outings. visit with 3 kids /a spouse to parents /siblings / friends houses etc. How the present police dept can cope is anyone guess! Even had a makan or with yr kids /spouse /friends at yr neighbourhood stalls or shopping at pasar malam need a permit.
So anyone must apply for more than 10 permits every month!
So , need to practice double standards loh!

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