The personal appearance of the Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Ghani Patail at the Shah Alam Sessions Court yesterday to lay charges against 26 Hindraf supporters for attempted murder of a cop has raised many question.
The first question is why Gani Patail thought it important to appear on an attempted murder charge when he never thought it important to personally handle the high-profile Mongolian Altantunya Shaariibuu murder trial on its 66th day of High Court trial in very same court building in Shah Alam, although the murder trial of the Mongolian woman has far-reaching national and international implications in view of ramifications reaching to the highest government level?
Yesterday, the Shah Alam High Court was told that plastic explosives were placed on three parts of Altantunya Shaariibuu’s body — her head, chest and lower abdomen — before she was blown up when the explosive were detonated simultaneously by using a single detonator connected to all three parts.
Secondly, questions arising from one of disbelief that as many people as 26 people are being charged for the attempted murder of a cop injured in the Batu Caves fracas in connection with the Kuala Lumpur Hindraf demonstration on November 25 , a charge which entailed a maximum 20 years’ jail with fine for the 26 persons.
If the Attorney-General succeeds in his prosecution and in securing maximum sentence, Malaysia will create world history in getting the most number of people sent for life sentence for the attempted murder of a cop — but what a world record!
These troubling thoughts raise the further question as to the real motives of the re-arrest and new charge of attempted murder for 26 people — and whether this is conducive to the larger national objective to de-escalate the tensions caused by the long-standing marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and highlighted by the 30,000-strong Hindraf demonstration on November 25.
Several policemen were hurt in the Hindraf demonstration — including Dadi Abdul Rani, the policeman named in the attempted murder charge of the 26 people, sub-inspector Chew Choon Peng, Sergeant-Major Harjigt Singh and Lance Corporal Razali Redzuan. Many more Hindraf supporters were injured.
Such injuries, whether suffered by policeman or by Hindraf supporters, could and should have been avoided if the police had handled the Hindraf demonstration with professionalism and greater respect for the constitutional rights of Malaysians to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression.
This is why there should be a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Hindraf demonstration, carrying out an objective and professional investigation into the police handling of the Hindraf gathering and the long-standing grievances of the Indian community on their marginalization as full and equal Malaysian citizens, whether in the political, economic, educational, social, cultural or religious sphere.
The Attorney-General should suspend all prosecutions until a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Hindraf demonstration has been set up and come out with its findings. Gani Patail should personally recommend that such a Royal Commission of Inquiry should be set up without any delay.
There is currently a very strange phenomenon in the Barisan Nasional. On Monday, the MIC MP for Cameron Highlands S.K. Devamany let down the Indian community and the Malaysian people when he tendered his regret and apology for saying in Parliament that the 50,000 people at the Hindraf demonstration on Nov. 25 showed the Government’s failure in distributing wealth equally and nation-building.
MIC President and Works Minister, Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu loudly denied that the Malaysian Indians had been marginalized.
But leaders of MCA and Gerakan apparently disagreed with the MIC leaders — as MCA National Vice President and Health Minister, Datuk Chua Soi Lok had gone on public record twice as calling on the government to be responsive to and address the sense of alienation, discrimination and deprivation of the marginalized Indians. A Penang Gerakan Assemblywoman had also expressed similar sentiments about the marginalization of the Malaysian Indians.
The question is why some MCA and Gerakan leaders are prepared to admit that there is serious marginalisation among the Malaysian Indians, which is strenuously denied by the MIC leadership, when h MCA and Gerakan Ministers and leaders are not prepared about the marginalization of the Malaysian Chinese — as they were the most ferocious in attacking Singapore Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew when he made the remark about the marginalization of the the Chinese in Malaysia not so long ago.
Is this solely because MCA and Gerakan leadership are more worried than MIC leaders about the electoral effects of the marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and their frustration when their “cry of desperation” is totally ignored — as there are at least 24 Parliamentary and 38 State Assembly seats in Peninsular Malaysia where Indian voters are more than 10% and can lead to the defeat of Barisan Nasional candidates?

#1 by k1980 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:05 pm
Why AG appeared for charging 26 Hindraf supporters but did not appear for Altantunya murder trial?
Because he is afraid of being C-4ed like Altantunya!
#2 by a-malaysian on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:07 pm
You can charged them for attempted murder if you can proof they are the ones, but still are they being provoked to act in this way.
Now I have being wondering since the Bersih Peaceful Rally, why no one make any charges against the police, fru and the gomen for attempted murder?
The man with the broken leg, why don’t the lawyer advise him to charge the police, fru and the gomen for attempted murder?
The thousands who were sprayed with chemical water can also charge the police, fru and the gomen for attempted murder.
The thousands who are block and ask to return where they come from and not allow to enter KL can sue the gomen for lost and inconveniene.
Why, why, why we allow the gomen to be above the law all the time?
50 years is ENOUGH
Vote For A Change
Vote For Any Opposition
Give Them A Chance To Change For A Better Malaysia
Remember bn Is A Useless Grouping Of Self Serving, Corrupt, Dictator, Power Crazy, Racist, Kris waving, etc, etc type of parties.
#3 by greenacre on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:09 pm
More than a century ago this was stated “The life of the Nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful and vituous.’ Frederick Douglass .1817-1895
#4 by smeagroo on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:14 pm
Eh Gani is ard town ah? Tot he fled abroad during Altantuya murder trial and hv a jolly good time.
Maybe Gani will also show his face during those smaller crimes like snatch thieves or pets got kidnapped.
That is why we hv a bunch of civil servants that gotten their priorities all wrong. 4000 policemen during a peaceful rally but u could hardly find one cop when u needed them the most. Oh ya I forgotten, I hvnt tried the mamak stalls.
#5 by waterman on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:32 pm
Why?
Any reasonable fair minded person can figure out that there is no “will” to get to the real bottom of the Mongolian murder case. It only makes one even more suspicious!
#6 by rakyatmiskin on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:32 pm
The Chinese MPs has also agreed that the Indians are being marginalized WHAT the ….. is WRONG with these damn MIC heads & bodies….gosh….why don’t these ……. walk into one of these poor Indian homes and live there with an Income of what let say RM500 p/m. And see if they can survive with that sort of cash in hand with their daily expenses (i.e. school stationeries, uniforms, groceries, provisions, bus fares, medical necessity & so on).
And about the FOREIGNERS flooding in here that’s caz the so called EMPLOYERS prefer them. If the Government can impose on simple rules we wont be in this big dilemma would we???? Employers prefer to employ the Foreigners rather than the locals, simply caz of LESS PAY & LESS BENEFITS and MORE MONEY for the EMPLOYERS ONLY (mind you). Cause if you employ a local you atleast gotta pay above RM800.00 per month as their basic salary excluding the OTs. How the heck do they expect locals to work in a factory when you ONLY wanna pay RM400-600 p/m. how are they suppose to pay their bills. A decent room on rent is easily RM300 and please tell those donkeys in the Parliament are they gonna fork out the balance to cover their meals….& other necessity means. (Sorry I always wanted to voice out about the flooding of FOREIGNERS caz directly it is affecting every MALAYSIAN IN EVERY WAY)
Seriously I am beginning to hate living here, no matter what I dunno why I feel that BN might not win with majority but with cheating here & there with of course the EC’s help they will rule again :) which I cant accept caz from what is going on and what has been going on for the past 15 years of late BN should have LOST long time ago ïÂÅ and this is not by coincident but by TACTICS…..
#7 by greenacre on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:36 pm
smeargroo….for your information Gani Patail the AG is not a civil servant but a political post holder. Thus he may be removed by the government in power. An AG can be removed at any time if the powers to be do not like his face.
#8 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:43 pm
So lets vote in a new gomen to make sure such people like the chief of police and AG are replaced with men of principle and integrity!
#9 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:44 pm
Lets change the state gomens in Selangor, Perak, Penang, N9, Melaka too.
#10 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 3:59 pm
The gomen should be sued by the 26 persons for wrongful use of force, for abuse of power, and denial of constitutional rights to practise ones religion as provided for and guaranteed in the constttion.
They gathered at Batu Caves temple to attend the religious festival of Karthikai. Since when is it a crime to attend a religious festival and since when does one need a permit to attend a religious festival? Hindu Sangam has written a protest note on the actions taken on the devotees who were present there.
So why were they herded into the temple, sprayed with chemicals and tear gassed? Who is doing a cover up here? Polica re the ones who should be in the dock! Not the Indians.
Secondly, why were the civilians attacked at BAtu Caves temple? Police had a court order to prevent the crowds gathering in front of British High Comm. Did the police mistake Batu Caves for the High Comm?
I think the police were extremely high handed and used excessive force in handling the devotees at Batu Caves. They should be in teh dock.
Hence the thousands of Indians present there on 24th Night-25th Morning should be suing the Police, AG, and the Government for reckless endangerment. And violation of constitutional rights.
Come on lawyers, work on this and counter sue the gomen! Dont be afraid!
#11 by EddieTheHead on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:00 pm
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http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=128293
Please folks! Do verify this. I can’t rely on the mainstream media.
#12 by negarawan on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:01 pm
This is a clear case of racial and religious persecution in Malaysia, just like in the apartheid regime of SA. With UMNO’s top brass instructions to the police, innocent man, women and children are locked within the gates of the Hindu temple and shot at with tear gas and chemicals. This is an act of human cruelty. UMNO and the police force must be charged with attempted murder of innocent citizens.
#13 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:05 pm
The message from The President of Hindu Sangam is pasted below:-
PRESS RELEASE :Inquiry needed into why innocent devotees affected by police action at Batu Caves Murugan Temple on Sunday, 25th November 2007
The Malaysia Hindu Sangam calls for an urgent and independent inquiry into the events at Batu Caves in the early hours of Sunday, 25th November 2007. Many people have complained to the Sangam that they were caught up in police action against the HINDRAF Rally when all they were doing was attending a religious ceremony in the Batu Caves temple.
Saturday night, 24th November 2007 was a special celebration for many Tamil Hindus. It was the night of Karthikai Deepam, a festival of lights of special significance to Tamils. Many celebrate it as a commemoration to Lord Arumugam, also known as Murugan or Karthikeyan, whose 6 faces were united by his mother Goddess Shakthi on the Karthikai Deepam day. Hence, devotees flock to the temples devoted to Lord Muruga that night and one such temple is of course the world famous Batu Caves temple in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Many devotees, having celebrated the festival, were spending the night in the Temple grounds before leaving for home the next day. Imagine their shock when in the wee hours of the morning, they were greeted by tear gas and water cannon and by a massive police presence alleging they were involved in an illegal assembly.
An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.
Yours in service
Datuk A Vaithilingam PJN SSA AMN ASA PJK
President
Malaysian Hindu Sangam
#14 by poisonjay on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:07 pm
LKS YOU HAVE MY VOTE.
The truth is minorities are prosecuted in every aspect of life in this country. I still remember not being admitted into the Boys Scouts in my primary school because of quota. hahaha what a joke!!!!!!!!!
#15 by mark2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:23 pm
Its been a while everyone know the competence or rather the lack of it of this AG guy. Now he’s turning into a big joke. I ask him to look at the people’s faces that he meets daily. These people have many questions to ask but would rather not knowing his proclivity.
I hope he can walk with his head held up after the decision on Pu Batu Putih. Or will it be god’s will again.
#16 by Libra2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:24 pm
There is no way the prosecution, with or without the AGs presence , can win the case. It’s an impossible dream and task to prove the charge.
It is more of an attempt to intimidate and humiliate the Indians. That they better shut up and accept their status as an officially marginalized community.
How on earth can 26 unarmed men attempt to murder ONE cop who is probably armed, wearing a bullet-proof vest and helmet.
If he was not well protected, then it was negligence on his part.
This a naked exhibition and abuse of POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#17 by budak on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:33 pm
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#18 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:35 pm
26 unarmed men against hundreds of police, fru, rela etc! I guess it wont stand in any respectable courtroom, but in a country where the CJ’s position and titles can be negotiated for, stranger things can happen!
#19 by gsuku on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 4:54 pm
ask in Parliament ,what is the result of Rafidah’s visit to India.
FTA was put on HOLD until further notice.Is this true?
World is watching Malaysia very closely.
#20 by grace on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:10 pm
26 people attempt to murder one victim????
Mind boggling! AG, I don’t know how to describe your intelligence !
Hoi! If 26 people had the intention to kill only one person, the victim would disappear in thin air.
They need not use any weapon. This is how it could be done. Each one just hold a portion of the victim body and pull, he would have died an instant death.
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Hey!! Not attempted murder by 26 people!!!
#21 by greenacre on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:14 pm
Hindu Sangam can and should initiate a class action or Representative Action against the Police Force and the Government. There are only three requirement to begin such an action. a) the plaintiff and those represented by him/her have a common interest (they do ..they were there by virtue of Kartigai festival) b) they have a common grievance ( they were fired by volleys of tear gas and chemically laces water cannons) c) the relief sought is beneficial to all ( all those gathered as well as those now charged)
How about it ?
#22 by gsuku on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:17 pm
When Khairy led a group of youths to demonstrate in KLCC when Condoleeza Rice visited KL,no complain on lost of business in KLCC,no damage of property complains,no report in TV/Radio,Umno Controlled newspapers on traffic problem around KLCC,no tear gas,no chemically treated water canon,road blocks & IMPORTANTLY NO NEED FOR POLICE PERMIT.hOWEVER THEY RECEIVED POLICE ESCORT.IGP GOT NO BALLS.
Hishamuddin can show Kris & wow to bath with blood.that is a good example for students in malaysia but taking part in peaceful march is wrong for teachers & students.Action will be taken.
This is not MAINKAN SENTIMEN PERKAUMAN BECAUSE DONE BY SONS OF SOIL.
WHY NO ACTION FROM PM .SUCH HYPOCRATES.
#23 by malaysiatoday.com on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:40 pm
Charging water laced with chemical and tear gas is more damaging than throwing stones.
How about a Malay enforcement officer from Shah Alam City council who was throwing stone to hurt Hindu devotees?
Did he charge for attempted murder?
http://forum.malaysiatoday.com/index.php?showtopic=551
#24 by malaysiatoday.com on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:41 pm
This is a blantant racial prejudice against Indians.
#25 by cheng on soo on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 5:48 pm
if these 26 are convicted, then, dont know how many (outside Msia) will have confident in Msia judicial system. how to attract foreign investment?
#26 by greatstuff on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 6:14 pm
It’s all a total farce- no ways can you charge 26 people for attempting to murder a policemen, assaulting yes, b oleh lah, but for attempted murder, where’s the proof? So, mana boleh lah! The AG’s also a doughnuthead!
#27 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 7:10 pm
“Several policemen were hurt in the Hindraf demonstration – including Dadi Abdul Rani, the policeman named in the attempted murder charge of the 26 people, sub-inspector Chew Choon Peng, Sergeant-Major Harjigt Singh and Lance Corporal Razali Redzuan. Many more Hindraf supporters were injured…†KIT
It is not as absurd as it is made to sound.
It all depends on how the charges have been framed. Charges have been badly framed because time is not on their side since the AG has other thoughts in his mind – and not just issues of law and order or public safety.
If you throw bricks into a crowd reckless as to who gets hurt and how severe the injuries may be, there is a case for assault with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. All the Prosecution has to do is show the injuries caused by those bricks thrown into the crowd suffered by persons who were in the crowd and show photographs of the accused throwing the bricks at the crowed to make up a prima facie case against those accused.
Don’t know what our Penal Code says but in common law countries those accused are prima facie liable for common law offences ranging from battery to assault – various degrees of assault ranging from simple assault to aggravated assault – and property crimes. As to the charge of attempted murder, the AG should be censored. The reason is clearly politically motivated. Sometimes the punishment is in the charging and not in the finding of guilt. Once set for trial there would be the usual pre-trial motions and discovery etc. and this takes time. Meanwhile there is the issue of incarceration while waiting for trial. Bail set at $10k appears excessive to some and far exceeding the gravity of the crime but when you include attempted murder among the charges then $10k does not appear that excessive. With a judge who is prosecution minded, chances are the charges are likely to stick. Whether they would be found guilty after a protracted trial is another matter.
#28 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 7:28 pm
Jeffrey QC,
Could the demonstrators file a civil suit for damages against the Police for injuries some of them suffered?
Could a bystander injured while watching the demonstrations file a similar lawsuit?
Could a housewife while carrying out her chores, overcome by gas or hit by a loose tear gas cannister file a law suit against the Police?
Could an athma suffering traffic policeman overcome by the chemical laced tear gas sue his employer for negligence?
Could you while watching events unfold on TV and then suffer a heart attack, file a lawsuit against the government for negligence?
#29 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 7:58 pm
ooops censured
#30 by rajanjohn on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 8:25 pm
For your information Altantunya’s case is CLOSED and verdicts are passed on..just that the publics are not informed la…haiyo..this is M’sia..n M’sia Boleh wat ..so whats the point for AG to be there?
All accused and found NOT GUILTY! Case dismissed! Dont talk abt it anymore or else u end up… ISA or charged for attempted to provoke! sec 212/16..taman bunga shah alam!
#31 by boh-liao on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 8:29 pm
Altantunya’s case? What case?
Malaysians easy lupa.
Next case!
#32 by motai on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 8:45 pm
A message to Umno supporters
Leo Antony
Dec 5, 07 3:32pm Adjust font size:
What happened on Nov 25 was simply a plea by the marginalised Malaysian Indians, for whom no one else wants to speak up or fight for. Most of the 30,000-odd Indians who rallied have been voting for Barisan Nasional since independence.
The present government needed only to listen to what they had to say. They were not under any opposition influence. Only desperados such as Anwar Ibrahim would want to capitalise on it, as was the case here.
Why would poor folks take such pains and risk injuries to join a banned rally? People like Mohd Nazri Abdul Aziz, the minister in denial, knowingly misrepresenting the facts and used foul language on people who are crying for help. How can this guy be trusted to govern fairly? Who appointed him guardian of two million Indians in Malaysia? He is simply saying that the winner at the national elections takes all? Is that his definition of democracy?
If Pak Lah had met up with the group of people who were rallying, it would have given the government and BN much credibility. The government would have been the hero of the day. But it has lost credibility now. The 30,000 counts for much more on election day, certainly with people like Nazri and Najib responding the way they did.
Leaders should listen instead of telling poor, frustrated and marginalised folk to shut up or get out. Asking them to take their problems to the MIC is no solution. If MIC had listened and if the government had heard through them, this rally would not have happened. Indians know very well that nothing would happen if they went through MIC.
Let us not keep on putting wool over Indians’ eyes. They have very little left. Even their places of worship are being demolished unceremoniously. Isn’t that an insensitive act by the government? Are rallies against such “insensitivities†on the part of a government they had elected considered insensitive?
Umno is drunk with their brand of power and patronage politics. They are freely using the Malay masses with the ‘Ketuanan Melayu’, New Economic Policy and threats of a repeat of May 13 to appeal to their emotions. The keris act was one such case. No amount of subsequent explanations can undo that.
In 2006, a couple of Umno delegates shouted from the floor, asking when the Umno Youth president was going to use the keris. But no leaders at the podium corrected them. The explanations only came after the assembly, after much public outcry.
One gets the feeling that when Umno/Malays are alone and on public television, they are as insensitive as can be. One can imagine what they say in private. That is how powerful they feel. They have redrawn electoral boundaries to maintain Umno in power even with less than 50 percent popular electoral votes.
Now they even want to extend the services of the Election Commission chief, who is due to retire at the end of the month, by amending the Constitution which will enable the executive to bypass the Agong. Why such acts for sake of one man? Is he so dispensable to Umno?
Umno has the apparatus at the grassroots level to stir up trouble and conduct another coup, as was the case during May 13, but this time to dethrone Pak Lah and revert to the situation of the late 60s and early 70s where Umno’s young turks will have tighter control and get rid of any dissent.
They have all the government machinery, which is dominated by a single ethnic community, to impose everything they want to do. The police, judiciary and executive have all been corrupted at the highest levels. These people will have no choice but to comply, failing which their past deeds will be used against them.
Even in light of a video clip implicating a top judge in corrupt practices, the government ignores the potential of some element of truth in it and proceeds to extend his service – given the fact that VK Lingam’s brother had made a police report as early as March 2007, which the authorities if not the prime minister surely knew about.
Indeed, all the country’s current ills – from education, unemployable graduates, corrupt civil service, judiciary and police – are a product of the Mahathir Mohamad era. The PM has not delivered on his 2004 election pledge. My only guess is that he is just a pawn of the hidden powers. He appears powerless. If he acts, he will potentially be dethroned.
On Nov 25, the government had no intention to listen, as it is supposed to do. Mahatma Gandhi’s banners were displayed to show that this was a peaceful expression of their concerns. Where and to whom will these people go if rallying is not an option? They have real problems. Do you want them to become violent with their backs against the wall? It does not hurt anyone to listen.
It is the government that should be afraid of the people, not the other way around as seems to be the case now. The government loses billions of ringgit on many failed projects and corruption. The culprits, including some in the government and at ministerial levels, are still free to do what they want.
This curse of corruption occurring unabatedly at all levels of the executive, enforcement and judiciary can only mean that we have a government that is so strongly entrenched in power with the help of clever electoral boundaries that they have no fear to be voted out.
Is this government “a government of the people†or is it “a government of the powers-that-be behind Umno?†It is just a matter of time before the Malay masses would find this out for themselves. We can only hope and pray that by that time, the state of the country’s development, economy, judiciary and enforcement has not been set back many decades.
We appeal to Umno supporters, it is in your own interest to stop the moral rot in the party and in the government. It is in your interest to provide justice to all Malaysians especially the long-marginalised sectors
#33 by LittleBird on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 8:53 pm
HIndu Sangam press relaease was signed by a PJN SSA AMN ASA PJK. You know what that means.
#34 by Saint on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 9:05 pm
Hindu Sangam like the MIC is another problem of the Indians here.
#35 by borrring on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 9:14 pm
The “personal” appearance of the Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Ghani Patai….
Very fishy indeed
#36 by twistedmind on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 9:16 pm
Why?
Because stupid AG can’t handle a real case.
BTW. The world is waiting to see how far these cases will go – what a laughing stock this will be.
#37 by Jong on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 9:24 pm
Peaceful demonstrators should do a spin and sue the Police for unprovoked assaults and attack on them with chemical sprays and teargas. They were peacefully sitting in the temple compound when Police charged in. Watch these videos on Youtube, it’s disturbing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b_0UHdY9F0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YtVluH1Tew&feature=related
#38 by izrafeil on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 9:51 pm
Uncle LIm,
Ghani boleh ke pertahankan Pulau Batu PUtih? Kita tengok lah nanti ya….. di negeri orang….
#39 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 10:03 pm
RajaJohn
“For your information Altantunya’s case is CLOSED and verdicts are passed ..”
Are you serious? I expected a “not guilty” verdict for only one of the three accused. No report anywhere??
I would like very much to find out the reasoning by the trial judge to see how he arrived at the “Not guilty” verdict, and whether there would be an appeal.
#40 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 10:11 pm
“The suspects, detained by police in Batu Caves on Nov 25, claimed trial to various charges including taking part in an illegal assembly and causing damage to public property during the tense proceedings tinged with racial overtones. ” THE STAR
There is no way those accused of taking part in an illegal assembly could escape – a non-issue. What does the Penal Code say as to sentence – fine or/and jail?
We need the help of the blog’s legal analyst here!
#41 by lakshy on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 11:07 pm
Firstly, how can it be an illegal assembly if they were gathered at a temple to attend a religious festival?
Secondly, if the police first herds you into Batu caves area, then locks the gates, and then shoots tear gas at you, who is the provocator? And if they keep doing it what steps do you take to defend yourself? Where are pictures of the damage done? The gates are all still in order.
Did the police ask the crowd to disperse? Is this documented? Was the message given in Malay, English and Tamil? The crowd is mainly Indian so some may need to be informed in Tamil.
The fact that the victims used stones to throw at the police shows that they were totally unarmed and were a peaceful crowd. The police used excessive force and are guilty and should compensate the victims that were herded into Batu Caves.
Was correct procedure used in deploying the tear gas. IS firing into the air an acceptable practise as some people could get injured.
Is spraying chemical laced water cannons directly on a crowd the normal procedure or were sub-human methods employed? Is the police then guilty of brutality?
#42 by smeagroo on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 11:51 pm
Many were arrested and some released maybe becos they were the culprits planted by umno to instigate. Then after police sapu all the rowdy fellas they release them back after getting orders from the top. Can ah my theory? Otherwise in a chaotic situation, how can the police pinpoint as to who did what? Without proper evidence it will be ur word against mine. Can we trust what the police say now ah?
#43 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - 11:54 pm
“Firstly, how can it be an illegal assembly if they were gathered at a temple to attend a religious festival.”
Are those at Batu Caves the only one?
#44 by wits0 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:04 am
Why is any wedding assembly overflowing the compound of your house into the road and open field facing it not regarded as an “illegal” assembly without permit?
#45 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:06 am
“The fact that the victims used stones to throw at the police shows that they were totally unarmed and were a peaceful crowd. ” lakshy
No. It shows that the stone throwers must have known that their stones would cause injuries to others, that they were reckless as to who among these others might get injured.
So if Lance Corporal Ahmad or/and news reporter Miss Sharon suffered injuries, the stone throwers are liable for battery. But battery against whom, and who threw which stone are questions that are not easily answered without corroboration from eye witnesses.
#46 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:13 am
“Why is any wedding assembly overflowing the compound of your house into the road and open field facing it not regarded as an “illegal†assembly without permit?”
Do you need a license to get married in Malaysia?
#47 by tunglang on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:16 am
The AG is a real Chicken! He only wants to deal with this easy to handle case where he can put his max weight on this Hindraf case to push (bully) for the heaviest sentences. Also, he hope to put fears in the mind of those contemplating future assembly or protest.
Who is he working for? The rakyat? Affirmative NO! This AG is FXYZ incompetent. A good example of the BN Gomen’s tool of political expediency.
Life sentence for treatening the life of a Cop! Tiotally rubbish. What about those who died in jail? The Cops going to be charged for that? What about Anwar Ibrahim whose life was also threatened by the Chief Cop himself?
This law of the land called Malaysia is absurd, bullying & ruthless.
#48 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:21 am
“The law of the land called Malaysia is absurd.”
There is nothing wrong with the law – only its implementation.
#49 by wits0 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:32 am
There are such things as bad laws – this becomes obvious after a while when put to the test by unexpected events.
#50 by harrisonbinhansome on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 12:41 am
Still remember the AG’s ‘class act’ during the trial of the century indicting Anwar Ibrahim successfully? The AG will always at his ‘best’ whenever the Government needed his act but the AG will despatched a legions of underskilled prosecuters deisigned to lose a case-the Altantuya’s murder trial, apparently to date the accused, both the policemen charged for murder managed to jinked out of most evidences exhibited against them and the alleged abetter/ hirer, Abdul Razak Baginda, not even a snippets of allegations are hurled against him by the 2 accused which reflects his joviality inside and outside the courthouse. And to even suggest anyone would go for any higher-ups, they would be imagining it in ‘Alice Wonderland’.