Comments on: How many mission schools in the country have the cross removed from school emblem? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/ for Malaysia Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:22:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: buntal http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-63976 buntal Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:45:03 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-63976 The MPs who are Christians keep quiet? I salute you, LKS! Oh ya, they don't mind because they are not serious in their faith too. Need a prove? A simple example would be playing golf on Sunday instead of attending Sunday mass. If GOD is merciless, He can just take everything away from them in a second. We're now in the 21st century and we just had our 50th anniversary of independence. Why not preserve this blessings by living in harmony without raising sensitive issues that hurt may parties. The MPs who are Christians keep quiet? I salute you, LKS! Oh ya, they don’t mind because they are not serious in their faith too. Need a prove? A simple example would be playing golf on Sunday instead of attending Sunday mass. If GOD is merciless, He can just take everything away from them in a second.

We’re now in the 21st century and we just had our 50th anniversary of independence. Why not preserve this blessings by living in harmony without raising sensitive issues that hurt may parties.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61213 undergrad2 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:46:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61213 "Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?" Patlu How does filing police reports bring about 'change'? There's nothing wrong with filing police reports though. You'd be just adding to the paperwork of the policemen manning the desks at police stations. If at all, the practice of filing police reports gives the facade of democracy i.e. that you are free to walk into any police station and make a report against anybody - Prime Minister and IGP included. You will not be arrested for doing so. Non-citizens and tourists too can file reports. Are you expecting the two government MPs to be arrested for sedition? Article 11 of our Federal Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. Only the Malays do not have that freedom. Their freedom is freedom to practice Islam. This drive, if it could be called that, of trying to gradually rid the country of non-Islamic symbols on public display - especially now that Malaysia has been declared 'an Islamic state' - is nothing new. It is symptomatic of the process of Islamization which is more than two decades old. What is new perhaps are the public outbursts by MPs in Parliament leading to the equally public uproar. Can it be said that our constitutional right to practice our religion has been infringed because of the government policy of discouraging or not allowing too conspicous and too public a display of non-Islamic symbols? Was a police report made against the PM who first issued a public statement that "Malaysia is an Islamic state"? Was a police report made against Abdullah Badawi when he too declared that "Malaysia is an Islamic state"? How does making such statements alone alter the secular nature of the state? Does not making police reports against UMNO mean that we agree with the government and its policy Islamization of our institutions? What matters finally is whether we as Malaysians who treasure racial unity and freedom would make that walk to the polling station to cast our vote. That is the only walk that matters finally. “Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?” Patlu

How does filing police reports bring about ‘change’? There’s nothing wrong with filing police reports though. You’d be just adding to the paperwork of the policemen manning the desks at police stations. If at all, the practice of filing police reports gives the facade of democracy i.e. that you are free to walk into any police station and make a report against anybody - Prime Minister and IGP included. You will not be arrested for doing so. Non-citizens and tourists too can file reports. Are you expecting the two government MPs to be arrested for sedition?

Article 11 of our Federal Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. Only the Malays do not have that freedom. Their freedom is freedom to practice Islam.

This drive, if it could be called that, of trying to gradually rid the country of non-Islamic symbols on public display - especially now that Malaysia has been declared ‘an Islamic state’ - is nothing new. It is symptomatic of the process of Islamization which is more than two decades old. What is new perhaps are the public outbursts by MPs in Parliament leading to the equally public uproar.

Can it be said that our constitutional right to practice our religion has been infringed because of the government policy of discouraging or not allowing too conspicous and too public a display of non-Islamic symbols?

Was a police report made against the PM who first issued a public statement that “Malaysia is an Islamic state”? Was a police report made against Abdullah Badawi when he too declared that “Malaysia is an Islamic state”? How does making such statements alone alter the secular nature of the state?

Does not making police reports against UMNO mean that we agree with the government and its policy Islamization of our institutions?

What matters finally is whether we as Malaysians who treasure racial unity and freedom would make that walk to the polling station to cast our vote. That is the only walk that matters finally.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61208 undergrad2 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:46:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61208 Patlu, Young man, it's OK to rant and rave and sign petitions (as if they do not already know) but if you don't exercise your constitutional right to vote, nothing will change. Go cast that one vote for the Opposition in your constituency. That alone may not be able to bring about the 'change' we need but it at least you'd have given 'change' a chance. Patlu,

Young man, it’s OK to rant and rave and sign petitions (as if they do not already know) but if you don’t exercise your constitutional right to vote, nothing will change. Go cast that one vote for the Opposition in your constituency. That alone may not be able to bring about the ‘change’ we need but it at least you’d have given ‘change’ a chance.

]]> By: patlu http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61197 patlu Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:16 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61197 hermes 07: 32.23 "Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don’t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS." What has <b>saving lives</b> to do with race or religion? If one does not support Red Crescent aka Red Cross just because of the icon, we have lost our humanity. <i>Please think about it.</i> Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet? <b>Where to report,</b> visit http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&view=findpost&p=14532752 hermes 07: 32.23
“Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don’t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS.”

What has saving lives to do with race or religion? If one does not support Red Crescent aka Red Cross just because of the icon, we have lost our humanity. Please think about it.

Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?

Where to report, visit http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&view=findpost&p=14532752

]]> By: patlu http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61177 patlu Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:31:03 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61177 undergrad2: 10: 20.50 "There is no need to sign any petition." So, just rant and rave on blogs, blame blame blame and assume problems will go away by casting vote in GE every 5 years, izit? Oh, better still, just leave it to YB Lim Kit Siang to do everything. Hello, YB Lim not only need your votes lah. <b>Stop the blame and tainting communities by the action of a few.</b> Do something to help solve the problems and start the healing process to rebuild this nation. undergrad2: 10: 20.50
“There is no need to sign any petition.”

So, just rant and rave on blogs, blame blame blame and assume problems will go away by casting vote in GE every 5 years, izit? Oh, better still, just leave it to YB Lim Kit Siang to do everything.

Hello, YB Lim not only need your votes lah. Stop the blame and tainting communities by the action of a few. Do something to help solve the problems and start the healing process to rebuild this nation.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61175 undergrad2 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61175 "undergrad2 … your comment is in bad taste and to me is your way to insult Islam. The event in Sudan is very serious to us Muslim although you may not think so. Your joke is in bad taste ..." My comment is not a joke. Jailing somebody and then threatening to kill her, for naming a teddy bear is no joke. I was referring to the depths of Islamic extremism which is in a free fall. This is the kind of thinking that today haunts Malaysia. Criminalizing the naming of the teddy bear as "Mohammed" is unthinkable to all right thinking Malay and Muslims in Malaysia. Nobody really believes that naming a toy "Mohammed" is an insult to Islam and Muslims - not even the Sudanese and their leaders. The failure here is the failure of moderate Muslims all over the world to speak up. “undergrad2 …
your comment is in bad taste and to me is your way to insult Islam. The event in Sudan is very serious to us Muslim although you may not think so. Your joke is in bad taste …”

My comment is not a joke. Jailing somebody and then threatening to kill her, for naming a teddy bear is no joke. I was referring to the depths of Islamic extremism which is in a free fall.

This is the kind of thinking that today haunts Malaysia. Criminalizing the naming of the teddy bear as “Mohammed” is unthinkable to all right thinking Malay and Muslims in Malaysia.

Nobody really believes that naming a toy “Mohammed” is an insult to Islam and Muslims - not even the Sudanese and their leaders. The failure here is the failure of moderate Muslims all over the world to speak up.

]]> By: patlu http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61173 patlu Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:08 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61173 Hi hermes 07: 32.23. What has <b>SAVING LIVES</b> to do with race or religion? Think about it. Back to the topic, what have done done about it? Have you sent in your complaint or made a police report yet? "Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Abd Aziz said so far, he had yet to receive any complaints over Syed Hood’s remarks." Gives me the impression he's not going to do anything about the two MPs until someone makes a report. Where to report, visit: <a href="http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&view=findpost&p=14532752" rel="nofollow">http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&view=findpost&p=14532752</a> Hi hermes 07: 32.23.
What has SAVING LIVES to do with race or religion? Think about it.

Back to the topic, what have done done about it? Have you sent in your complaint or made a police report yet?

“Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Abd Aziz said so far, he had yet to receive any complaints over Syed Hood’s remarks.” Gives me the impression he’s not going to do anything about the two MPs until someone makes a report.

Where to report, visit: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&view=findpost&p=14532752

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61031 undergrad2 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:20:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-61031 There is no need to sign any petition. Let your vote speaks for itself. As a Malaysian you have a constitutional duty to get your name down on that list of voters, and then make that vote! Have you registered to vote?? There is no need to sign any petition. Let your vote speaks for itself. As a Malaysian you have a constitutional duty to get your name down on that list of voters, and then make that vote!

Have you registered to vote??

]]> By: hermes http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-60997 hermes Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:32:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/#comment-60997 Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don't ever since it changed from the RED CROSS. That is the problem with the non muslims. They do not have principles. The non muslims are not prepared to act in any way, except to kow tow, when their beliefs and rights are attacked, in this case ERASED. Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don’t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS. That is the problem with the non muslims. They do not have principles. The non muslims are not prepared to act in any way, except to kow tow, when their beliefs and rights are attacked, in this case ERASED.

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