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	<title>Comments on: How many mission schools in the country have the cross removed from school emblem?</title>
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		<title>By: buntal</title>
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		<dc:creator>buntal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MPs who are Christians keep quiet? I salute you, LKS! Oh ya, they don&#039;t mind because they are not serious in their faith too. Need a prove? A simple example would be playing golf on Sunday instead of attending Sunday mass. If GOD is merciless, He can just take everything away from them in a second. 

We&#039;re now in the 21st century and we just had our 50th anniversary of independence. Why not preserve this blessings by living in harmony without raising sensitive issues that hurt may parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MPs who are Christians keep quiet? I salute you, LKS! Oh ya, they don&#8217;t mind because they are not serious in their faith too. Need a prove? A simple example would be playing golf on Sunday instead of attending Sunday mass. If GOD is merciless, He can just take everything away from them in a second. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re now in the 21st century and we just had our 50th anniversary of independence. Why not preserve this blessings by living in harmony without raising sensitive issues that hurt may parties.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?&quot; Patlu

How does filing police reports bring about &#039;change&#039;? There&#039;s nothing wrong with filing police reports though. You&#039;d be just adding to the paperwork of the policemen manning the desks at police stations. If at all, the practice of filing police reports gives  the facade of democracy i.e. that you are free to walk into any police station and make a report against anybody - Prime Minister and IGP included. You will not be arrested for doing so. Non-citizens and tourists too can file reports. Are you expecting the two government MPs to be arrested for sedition?

Article 11 of our Federal Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. Only the Malays do not have that freedom. Their freedom is freedom to practice Islam.

This drive, if it could be called that, of trying to gradually rid the country of non-Islamic symbols on public display - especially now that Malaysia has been declared &#039;an Islamic state&#039; - is nothing new. It is symptomatic of the process of Islamization which is more than two decades old. What is new perhaps are the public outbursts by MPs in Parliament leading to the equally public uproar.

Can it be said that our constitutional right to practice our religion has been infringed because of the government policy of discouraging or not allowing  too conspicous and too public a display of non-Islamic symbols?

Was a police report made against the PM who  first issued a public statement that &quot;Malaysia is an Islamic state&quot;? Was a police report made against Abdullah Badawi when he too declared that &quot;Malaysia is an Islamic state&quot;? How does making such statements alone alter the secular nature of the state?

Does not making police reports against UMNO mean that we agree with the government and its policy Islamization of our institutions?

What matters finally is whether we as Malaysians who treasure racial unity and freedom would make that walk to the polling station to cast our vote. That is the only walk that matters finally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?&#8221; Patlu</p>
<p>How does filing police reports bring about &#8216;change&#8217;? There&#8217;s nothing wrong with filing police reports though. You&#8217;d be just adding to the paperwork of the policemen manning the desks at police stations. If at all, the practice of filing police reports gives  the facade of democracy i.e. that you are free to walk into any police station and make a report against anybody &#8211; Prime Minister and IGP included. You will not be arrested for doing so. Non-citizens and tourists too can file reports. Are you expecting the two government MPs to be arrested for sedition?</p>
<p>Article 11 of our Federal Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. Only the Malays do not have that freedom. Their freedom is freedom to practice Islam.</p>
<p>This drive, if it could be called that, of trying to gradually rid the country of non-Islamic symbols on public display &#8211; especially now that Malaysia has been declared &#8216;an Islamic state&#8217; &#8211; is nothing new. It is symptomatic of the process of Islamization which is more than two decades old. What is new perhaps are the public outbursts by MPs in Parliament leading to the equally public uproar.</p>
<p>Can it be said that our constitutional right to practice our religion has been infringed because of the government policy of discouraging or not allowing  too conspicous and too public a display of non-Islamic symbols?</p>
<p>Was a police report made against the PM who  first issued a public statement that &#8220;Malaysia is an Islamic state&#8221;? Was a police report made against Abdullah Badawi when he too declared that &#8220;Malaysia is an Islamic state&#8221;? How does making such statements alone alter the secular nature of the state?</p>
<p>Does not making police reports against UMNO mean that we agree with the government and its policy Islamization of our institutions?</p>
<p>What matters finally is whether we as Malaysians who treasure racial unity and freedom would make that walk to the polling station to cast our vote. That is the only walk that matters finally.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patlu,

Young man, it&#039;s OK to rant and rave and sign petitions (as if they do  not already know)  but if you don&#039;t exercise your constitutional right to vote, nothing will change. Go cast that one vote for the Opposition in your constituency. That  alone may not be able to bring about the &#039;change&#039; we need but  it at least you&#039;d have given &#039;change&#039; a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patlu,</p>
<p>Young man, it&#8217;s OK to rant and rave and sign petitions (as if they do  not already know)  but if you don&#8217;t exercise your constitutional right to vote, nothing will change. Go cast that one vote for the Opposition in your constituency. That  alone may not be able to bring about the &#8216;change&#8217; we need but  it at least you&#8217;d have given &#8216;change&#8217; a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: patlu</title>
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		<dc:creator>patlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hermes 07: 32.23
&quot;Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS.&quot;

What has &lt;b&gt;saving lives&lt;/b&gt; to do with race or religion? If one does not support Red Crescent aka Red Cross just because of the icon, we have lost our humanity. &lt;i&gt;Please think about it.&lt;/i&gt;

Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?

&lt;b&gt;Where to report,&lt;/b&gt; visit http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=14532752</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hermes 07: 32.23<br />
&#8220;Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS.&#8221;</p>
<p>What has <b>saving lives</b> to do with race or religion? If one does not support Red Crescent aka Red Cross just because of the icon, we have lost our humanity. <i>Please think about it.</i></p>
<p>Back to this topic, what is the affirmative action the public has taken regarding the two MPs? Has anyone filed complaints or police reports yet?</p>
<p><b>Where to report,</b> visit <a href="http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&#038;view=findpost&#038;p=14532752" rel="nofollow">http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&#038;view=findpost&#038;p=14532752</a></p>
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		<title>By: patlu</title>
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		<dc:creator>patlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undergrad2: 10: 20.50
&quot;There is no need to sign any petition.&quot;

So, just rant and rave on blogs, blame blame blame and assume problems will go away by casting vote in GE every 5 years, izit? Oh, better still, just leave it to YB Lim Kit Siang to do everything.

Hello, YB Lim not only need your votes lah. &lt;b&gt;Stop the blame and tainting communities by the action of a few.&lt;/b&gt; Do something to help solve the problems and start the healing process to rebuild this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undergrad2: 10: 20.50<br />
&#8220;There is no need to sign any petition.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, just rant and rave on blogs, blame blame blame and assume problems will go away by casting vote in GE every 5 years, izit? Oh, better still, just leave it to YB Lim Kit Siang to do everything.</p>
<p>Hello, YB Lim not only need your votes lah. <b>Stop the blame and tainting communities by the action of a few.</b> Do something to help solve the problems and start the healing process to rebuild this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;undergrad2 Ã¢â‚¬Â¦
your comment is in bad taste and to me is your way to insult Islam. The event in Sudan is very serious to us Muslim although you may not think so. Your joke is in bad taste ...&quot;


My comment is not a joke. Jailing somebody and then threatening to kill her, for naming a teddy bear is no joke. I was referring to the depths of Islamic extremism which is in a free fall.


This is the kind of thinking that today haunts Malaysia. Criminalizing the naming of the teddy bear as &quot;Mohammed&quot; is  unthinkable to all right thinking Malay and Muslims in Malaysia. 

Nobody  really believes that naming a toy &quot;Mohammed&quot; is an insult to Islam and Muslims - not even the Sudanese and their leaders.  The failure  here is the failure of moderate Muslims all over the world to speak up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;undergrad2 Ã¢â‚¬Â¦<br />
your comment is in bad taste and to me is your way to insult Islam. The event in Sudan is very serious to us Muslim although you may not think so. Your joke is in bad taste &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My comment is not a joke. Jailing somebody and then threatening to kill her, for naming a teddy bear is no joke. I was referring to the depths of Islamic extremism which is in a free fall.</p>
<p>This is the kind of thinking that today haunts Malaysia. Criminalizing the naming of the teddy bear as &#8220;Mohammed&#8221; is  unthinkable to all right thinking Malay and Muslims in Malaysia. </p>
<p>Nobody  really believes that naming a toy &#8220;Mohammed&#8221; is an insult to Islam and Muslims &#8211; not even the Sudanese and their leaders.  The failure  here is the failure of moderate Muslims all over the world to speak up.</p>
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		<title>By: patlu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/comment-page-2/#comment-61173</link>
		<dc:creator>patlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi hermes 07: 32.23.
What has &lt;b&gt;SAVING LIVES&lt;/b&gt; to do with race or religion? Think about it.

Back to the topic, what have done done about it? Have you sent in your complaint or made a police report yet? 

&quot;Minister in the Prime MinisterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Abd Aziz said so far, he had yet to receive any complaints over Syed HoodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s remarks.&quot; Gives me the impression he&#039;s not going to do anything about the two MPs until someone makes a report.

Where to report, visit: &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=14532752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=14532752&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi hermes 07: 32.23.<br />
What has <b>SAVING LIVES</b> to do with race or religion? Think about it.</p>
<p>Back to the topic, what have done done about it? Have you sent in your complaint or made a police report yet? </p>
<p>&#8220;Minister in the Prime MinisterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Abd Aziz said so far, he had yet to receive any complaints over Syed HoodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s remarks.&#8221; Gives me the impression he&#8217;s not going to do anything about the two MPs until someone makes a report.</p>
<p>Where to report, visit: <a href="http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=14532752" rel="nofollow">http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=561471&#038;view=findpost&#038;p=14532752</a></p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/comment-page-2/#comment-61031</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no need to sign any petition. Let your vote speaks for itself. As a Malaysian you have a constitutional duty to get your name down on that list of voters, and then make that vote! 

Have you registered to vote??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no need to sign any petition. Let your vote speaks for itself. As a Malaysian you have a constitutional duty to get your name down on that list of voters, and then make that vote! </p>
<p>Have you registered to vote??</p>
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		<title>By: hermes</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don&#039;t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS. That is the problem with the non muslims. They do not have principles. The non muslims are not prepared to act in any way, except to kow tow, when their beliefs and rights are attacked, in this case ERASED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do the non muslims continue to donate to the Red Crescent movement. I don&#8217;t ever since it changed from the RED CROSS. That is the problem with the non muslims. They do not have principles. The non muslims are not prepared to act in any way, except to kow tow, when their beliefs and rights are attacked, in this case ERASED.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why?? Because Muslims are easily crossed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?? Because Muslims are easily crossed.</p>
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		<title>By: patlu</title>
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		<dc:creator>patlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;THANK YOU, YB Lim Kit Siang,&lt;/b&gt;
Thank you for following up on this in Parliament.

&lt;b&gt;Everyone reading this blog,&lt;/b&gt;
Besides crosses and statues removed, please state in this blog, the identity and character changes made at your school. At Assunta Primary 1, please read the &lt;b&gt;Petition: Respect the Ethos and Character of Mission Schools&lt;/b&gt; with more than 2,400 signatories to-date at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petitiononline.com/assunta/petition.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.petitiononline.com/assunta/petition.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Please sign the petition online if you have not done so.&lt;/b&gt; All past students of mission schools and the public are also encouraged to sign the above Online Petition. State the year you left school and school attended. [B]A gentle reminder:[/B] Please do not flame at the online petition as weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll be submitting to the relevant authorities again if need be. Flames will be deleted, positive and constructive comments are most welcomed.

Please forward this on.Simply becauseÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

FIRST THEY CAME

First they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left 
to speak for me.

&lt;i&gt;- Pastor Martin NiemÃƒÂ¶ller (victim of the Nazis)&lt;/i&gt;

Assunta Spirit Alive!
Pat Lu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>THANK YOU, YB Lim Kit Siang,</b><br />
Thank you for following up on this in Parliament.</p>
<p><b>Everyone reading this blog,</b><br />
Besides crosses and statues removed, please state in this blog, the identity and character changes made at your school. At Assunta Primary 1, please read the <b>Petition: Respect the Ethos and Character of Mission Schools</b> with more than 2,400 signatories to-date at <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/assunta/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/assunta/petition.html</a></p>
<p><b>Please sign the petition online if you have not done so.</b> All past students of mission schools and the public are also encouraged to sign the above Online Petition. State the year you left school and school attended. [B]A gentle reminder:[/B] Please do not flame at the online petition as weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll be submitting to the relevant authorities again if need be. Flames will be deleted, positive and constructive comments are most welcomed.</p>
<p>Please forward this on.Simply becauseÃ¢â‚¬Â¦</p>
<p>FIRST THEY CAME</p>
<p>First they came for the socialists,<br />
and I did not speak out<br />
because I was not a socialist.</p>
<p>Then they came for the trade unionists,<br />
and I did not speak out<br />
because I was not a trade unionist.</p>
<p>Then they came for the Jews,<br />
and I did not speak out<br />
because I was not a Jew.</p>
<p>Then they came for me,<br />
and there was no one left<br />
to speak for me.</p>
<p><i>- Pastor Martin NiemÃƒÂ¶ller (victim of the Nazis)</i></p>
<p>Assunta Spirit Alive!<br />
Pat Lu</p>
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		<title>By: johan_my</title>
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		<dc:creator>johan_my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The emblem for King George V school is St George slaying a dragon. The old badge just had KGV printed on a blue background. About 1968 or 1969, the then headmaster change the badge with St George with the red cross in the background. (The school song was also composed during this period and the school swimming pool was built in 1969.) That got replaced with the V after I left the school in 1973. I still have the old school badge with the cross. 
You can read about this here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_King_George_V

What I would like to understand is why would the cross be taboo to muslims? They are not asked to subscribe to reason behind the cross. How does one go through life if every single religions icon is taboo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The emblem for King George V school is St George slaying a dragon. The old badge just had KGV printed on a blue background. About 1968 or 1969, the then headmaster change the badge with St George with the red cross in the background. (The school song was also composed during this period and the school swimming pool was built in 1969.) That got replaced with the V after I left the school in 1973. I still have the old school badge with the cross.<br />
You can read about this here :<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_King_George_V" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_King_George_V</a></p>
<p>What I would like to understand is why would the cross be taboo to muslims? They are not asked to subscribe to reason behind the cross. How does one go through life if every single religions icon is taboo?</p>
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		<title>By: midnitelily</title>
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		<dc:creator>midnitelily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, it&#039;s not just the crosses and symbols. i&#039;m not sure about the other mission schools, but i&#039;m sure all of them have their own ethos and unique identity i.e. names of the sport houses, an english school song (which might ve a reference to God; will these politicians find fault in that too?), the school colours. my &lt;a href=&quot;http://assuntaalumni.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;alma mater&#039;s alumni&lt;/a&gt; has been running a petition for a few years now to appeal to the education ministry to let us keep our ethos and identity.

it&#039;s these things that teaches us to be loyal and proud of who we are, regardless of race. it kept us united, regardless of social status. &amp; like YB mentioned in parliament, a lot of prominent figures in the country had their foundation in mission schools. it feels like Malaysia does not treasure history or heritage at all. at least, not in giving value to diversity.

even though this issue has been brought up off and on over the years (to win over muslim voters maybe?), it feels like it is worse today than yesterday. now, i wonder if Badawi denying that our country is not practising &quot;ethnic cleansing&quot; can still say so, because doesn&#039;t tearing down temples, and calling for the destruction of crosses make it feel like small actions that lead to it? doesn&#039;t the Malay proverb go... &quot;Sikit-sikit, lama-lama jadi bukit&quot; ? 

where are our leaders taking us? where is their transparency? if they want Malaysia declared officially as an Islamic country, then say so. don&#039;t do all of this in the guise that we still do have &quot;freedom of religion&quot; when we are made to suppress ourselves into a tiny corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, it&#8217;s not just the crosses and symbols. i&#8217;m not sure about the other mission schools, but i&#8217;m sure all of them have their own ethos and unique identity i.e. names of the sport houses, an english school song (which might ve a reference to God; will these politicians find fault in that too?), the school colours. my <a href="http://assuntaalumni.com/" rel="nofollow">alma mater&#8217;s alumni</a> has been running a petition for a few years now to appeal to the education ministry to let us keep our ethos and identity.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s these things that teaches us to be loyal and proud of who we are, regardless of race. it kept us united, regardless of social status. &amp; like YB mentioned in parliament, a lot of prominent figures in the country had their foundation in mission schools. it feels like Malaysia does not treasure history or heritage at all. at least, not in giving value to diversity.</p>
<p>even though this issue has been brought up off and on over the years (to win over muslim voters maybe?), it feels like it is worse today than yesterday. now, i wonder if Badawi denying that our country is not practising &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221; can still say so, because doesn&#8217;t tearing down temples, and calling for the destruction of crosses make it feel like small actions that lead to it? doesn&#8217;t the Malay proverb go&#8230; &#8220;Sikit-sikit, lama-lama jadi bukit&#8221; ? </p>
<p>where are our leaders taking us? where is their transparency? if they want Malaysia declared officially as an Islamic country, then say so. don&#8217;t do all of this in the guise that we still do have &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; when we are made to suppress ourselves into a tiny corner.</p>
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		<title>By: TheWrathOfGrapes</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheWrathOfGrapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/// burn Says: 
December 5th, 2007 at 12: 49.10 
wonder, what will be next! ///

wonder, whaC will be nexC!

(don&#039;t dot your &quot;i&quot;s or cross your &quot;t&quot;s and replace your &quot;t&quot;s with Crescents &quot;C&quot;s.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/// burn Says:<br />
December 5th, 2007 at 12: 49.10<br />
wonder, what will be next! ///</p>
<p>wonder, whaC will be nexC!</p>
<p>(don&#8217;t dot your &#8220;i&#8221;s or cross your &#8220;t&#8221;s and replace your &#8220;t&#8221;s with Crescents &#8220;C&#8221;s.)</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this, islamic cars, motorbikes, buses, lorries, bicycles (with special features like a compass pointing to Mecca and a dedicated space to keep a copy of the Koran and a headscarf) only to be allowed on malaysian roads? 

Then, all buildings including residential premises can only be built facing Mecca?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this, islamic cars, motorbikes, buses, lorries, bicycles (with special features like a compass pointing to Mecca and a dedicated space to keep a copy of the Koran and a headscarf) only to be allowed on malaysian roads? </p>
<p>Then, all buildings including residential premises can only be built facing Mecca?</p>
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		<title>By: Plaintruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plaintruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mission build school King George V School in Seremban had its cross remove from all trace in the year 1977.

The government is sinister and had the evil plan to get rid of all trace of other religions.  This shows how tolerance these UMNOPUTRA are.

When I was in Lower six class the cross on the school T shirt became a &quot;T&quot;.  Then a year later the cross completely gone.

Today the majestic school building is completely converted into a malay domininated school.  It is on the intersection to Rasah and Rahang.  What a shame and trajedy the government had done.  Where is the UMNOPUTRA conscience??????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mission build school King George V School in Seremban had its cross remove from all trace in the year 1977.</p>
<p>The government is sinister and had the evil plan to get rid of all trace of other religions.  This shows how tolerance these UMNOPUTRA are.</p>
<p>When I was in Lower six class the cross on the school T shirt became a &#8220;T&#8221;.  Then a year later the cross completely gone.</p>
<p>Today the majestic school building is completely converted into a malay domininated school.  It is on the intersection to Rasah and Rahang.  What a shame and trajedy the government had done.  Where is the UMNOPUTRA conscience??????????</p>
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		<title>By: philcp</title>
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		<dc:creator>philcp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the cross on MBSSKL emblem was removed years ago. probably about btw 2 - 3 decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cross on MBSSKL emblem was removed years ago. probably about btw 2 &#8211; 3 decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinapek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinapek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of all this is that many non Christian parents realises that many of these originally mission schools has a good reputation and wants to send their children there. Whether due to sense of tradition or the environment, they continue to do well today. To destroy their heritage would be to destroy the good they are doing.

I am not Christain but my daughter goes to a convent school. We have our own faith and we ensure our child is well imbued with our faith so that they can practise our own religion with little fear of being influenced by other religions. But if at the end of the day she feels she wants to convert to another faith for sincere reasons, we have no problems with that either.

There is no compulsion to send your children there. If you disagree with the school&#039;s heritage, then send your child elsewhere. Similarly, are you going to ask the SRJKs to change the nature of their school to suit students of other races who chose to enrol in these schools of their own free will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of all this is that many non Christian parents realises that many of these originally mission schools has a good reputation and wants to send their children there. Whether due to sense of tradition or the environment, they continue to do well today. To destroy their heritage would be to destroy the good they are doing.</p>
<p>I am not Christain but my daughter goes to a convent school. We have our own faith and we ensure our child is well imbued with our faith so that they can practise our own religion with little fear of being influenced by other religions. But if at the end of the day she feels she wants to convert to another faith for sincere reasons, we have no problems with that either.</p>
<p>There is no compulsion to send your children there. If you disagree with the school&#8217;s heritage, then send your child elsewhere. Similarly, are you going to ask the SRJKs to change the nature of their school to suit students of other races who chose to enrol in these schools of their own free will?</p>
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		<title>By: justice88</title>
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		<dc:creator>justice88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The removal of crosses from the school emblems isn&#039;t really an important. What is more important is that there is freedom to have faith-based organisations in school and the freedom not to be forced into following rituals of a religion that you are not affiliated to. One very good example is Convent Light Street in Penang. A few years back, ALL STUDENTS were forced to recite Muslim prayers during morning assemblies. I know this because my sister had experienced it. Ironically, it is a Convent school. They only stopped the ritual when many parents objected. I was from St. Xavier&#039;s Institution and we were never forced to sing or pray(just forced to for Negaraku, Penang state song and the school song :D). The principal of St. George&#039;s Girls&#039; School banned the formation of a Christian Fellowship on school grounds. I know this because a close friend of mine tried to start one but to no avail. They should be preserving the heritage of the school as a way of saying &#039;Thank you&#039; because they are one of the first education providers in the country. The MPs for Parit Sulong and Sri Gading should be suspended for trying to incite a religious rift. This might be damaging to the country. The ISA should be involved!

Article 12 (2)
Every religious group has the right to establish and maintain institutions for the education of children in its own religion, and there shall be no discrimination on the ground only of religion in
any law relating to such institutions or in the administration of any such law; but it shall be lawful for the Federation or a State to establish or maintain or assist in establishing or maintaining
Islamic institutions or provide or assist in providing instruction in the religion of Islam and incur such expenditure as may be necessary for the purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The removal of crosses from the school emblems isn&#8217;t really an important. What is more important is that there is freedom to have faith-based organisations in school and the freedom not to be forced into following rituals of a religion that you are not affiliated to. One very good example is Convent Light Street in Penang. A few years back, ALL STUDENTS were forced to recite Muslim prayers during morning assemblies. I know this because my sister had experienced it. Ironically, it is a Convent school. They only stopped the ritual when many parents objected. I was from St. Xavier&#8217;s Institution and we were never forced to sing or pray(just forced to for Negaraku, Penang state song and the school song :D). The principal of St. George&#8217;s Girls&#8217; School banned the formation of a Christian Fellowship on school grounds. I know this because a close friend of mine tried to start one but to no avail. They should be preserving the heritage of the school as a way of saying &#8216;Thank you&#8217; because they are one of the first education providers in the country. The MPs for Parit Sulong and Sri Gading should be suspended for trying to incite a religious rift. This might be damaging to the country. The ISA should be involved!</p>
<p>Article 12 (2)<br />
Every religious group has the right to establish and maintain institutions for the education of children in its own religion, and there shall be no discrimination on the ground only of religion in<br />
any law relating to such institutions or in the administration of any such law; but it shall be lawful for the Federation or a State to establish or maintain or assist in establishing or maintaining<br />
Islamic institutions or provide or assist in providing instruction in the religion of Islam and incur such expenditure as may be necessary for the purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: wits0</title>
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		<dc:creator>wits0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction :
&quot;..a couple of Gomen minister or so say..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction :<br />
&#8220;..a couple of Gomen minister or so say..&#8221;</p>
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