Extremist demands for removal of cross and demolition of Christian statutes in mission schools


There is growing intolerance and increasing extremism in Malaysia which are inimical to successful nation building and the latest instance is the demand for the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in mission schools.

I raised this issue in Parliament this morning during the winding-up of the Education Ministry in the 2008 Budget committee stage debate by the Deputy Education Minister, Datuk Noh Omar and expressed my concern why the Education Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein had not said anything to dissociate the government from such extremist demands.

During the policy debate on the 2008 Budget on Oct. 29, 2007 the Barisan Nasional Member of Parliament for Parit Sulong, Syed Hood bin Syed Edros, supported by the BN MP for Sri Gading, Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz called for the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in the mission schools.

The loyalty of mission schools was questioned, with the baseless allegation that they refuse to observe Aidilfitri public holiday and close the schools. There was even the preposterous accusation that the mission schools were administered by churches outside the country, including the Vatican.

I asked Noh Omar whether he is aware that the extremist demands by the two BN MPs have created a furore, particularly on the Internet, and why the Education Ministry was condoning such extremism by its silence when such statement should be denounced without equivocation.

I also reminded the Deputy Education Minister that it is wrong and mischievous to assume that Muslims studying in mission schools are potential apostates, when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building and produced many Malay leaders, including Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak, the Education Minister himself, the Perak Raja Muda Raja Nazrain Shah and the Sultan of Selangor who had been products of mission schools.

There was no satisfactory reply from Noh Omar.

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  1. #1 by Fort on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:19 pm

    Thank you very much for speaking up on this!
    Removing crosses and other objects in mission schools had been on for years!
    Don’t tell me the Christians need to form peaceful march before any action is taken.
    The ruling elites need to realise the power they have is only entrusted to them temporary by the people.

  2. #2 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:24 pm

    > when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building and produced many Malay leaders, including Deputy Prime Minister,…..

    One thing for sure is these leaders did not follow what they were taught on the moral side. Don’t think that they really learned anything useful.

    After cross the birdge they started demolishing the bridge

  3. #3 by messy on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:28 pm

    i personally come from a mission school and this have been a bloody stupid problem from the government!…it’s ok if they remove the cross because in the past christians have never be in a fair situation before…since history till now christians are persecuted everywhere…

    so to those who loves to remove the cross…go ahead because when judgement day comes i really want to see the look on their faces…
    you can always remove the cross from the school’s badge or school’s flag…but you can never remove the cross that is firm in all christian’s heart…

  4. #4 by smeagroo on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:28 pm

    I dont think such extremism happens only in schools. From what I know even churches are not allowed to have the cross outside their own premise. Is this really true?

    ++++++

  5. #5 by greatstuff on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:29 pm

    The attitude of these religiously intolerant, via their rather moronic/mentally retarded posturings and insensitive statements, is the biggest threat to the maturity, cohesiveness and social progress of Malaysia today, and it poses the question of how far we have truely slipped backwards in the 50 years since Merdeka.
    Someone should post these ‘clowns’ back to the rehabilation centres they so strongly advocate and do our society a big favour!

  6. #6 by MISHUGINA on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:32 pm

    Something should be done about this bunch of “kurang ajar” BN idiots.

    Their bunch includes misogynistic Badruddin Aminuddin, the inflamatory racist son-in-law, the penyangak Nazri and Minister of Misinformation Zainuddin. If Badawi is really walking the talk they would’ve been sacked a long time ago but no, “Big Ears” Badawi isn’t cleaning up his own back yard.

    These two MPs would’ve been thought to be from the so-called Taliban school of PAS but hell no. These are BN MPs! Wah, they pose themselves as guardians of racial harmony la konon. The sooner these liars are exposed to the people, the better.

  7. #7 by ALtPJK on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:43 pm

    What would this lead to? Another despicable act of bigotry similar to that of the destruction of Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan?

  8. #8 by Fort on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 6:51 pm

    Smeagroo: Cross removed from outside premise, true?

    Yes! In Melaka, outside Taman Malim Jaya. The name of the church remained, but the cross had been remove. If you want to know the full story, the best person to ask is the pastor in charge.

    Messy: Cross removed from school badge, true?

    Yes! St. David High School, Bukit Baru, Melaka, the cross had been replaced by a crown.

  9. #9 by Libra2 on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 7:24 pm

    These are the people Hindraf referred to them as “Islamic extremists” in that letter. If this is not an apt description, then what is?
    In the early years it was Mission schools that gave us and some of these Islamic extremists their education.
    I wonder why these people are afraid of the cross. Every time they write a “t”, aren’t they making a cross?
    In those days even Malay students in mission schools wore the school badges with the cross on it and there was no issue about it. When the Christians prayed during the assembly, the Malays kept quiet and they never raised any alarm. There was no conversion either.

  10. #10 by smeagroo on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 7:54 pm

    Take this… ++++++++++

    Are these extremists vampires or what?

    ++++

  11. #11 by undergrad2 on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 7:54 pm

    “…it is wrong and mischievous to assume that Muslims studying in mission schools are potential apostates, when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building….” KIT

    I blame Mahathir for the mess. It started with his declaration of Malaysia as an Islamic state. From that time it has been a downward spiral as various elements within his Administration stumbled over one another seeking furiously to get his attention, obtain his favors, and others to outdo one another if not for anything else, in drumming up Islamic religious fervor as if it is one great popularity contest. The populist nature of the issue is all too evident. And now with a religious cleric at the head of the pack, and one who has no leadership qualities whatsoever, it is fast getting out of control.

    I think Najib is waiting in the wings anxiously waiting for his turn while quietly fanning the flames of religious extremism. I don’t believe Najib is a religious bigot. He does what all politicians do.

    If Christian missions sought to convert Malay students, or if sending Malay students to universities overseas is to make apostates out of them, why is that there are no converts to Christianity from among them – or their leaders?

    Students of history and politics would know that in the 50s many Malays feared that sending their children to Christian missionary schools would make Christians out of them. That didn’t happen. How else would you then otherwise explain the droves of Malay students registering in such schools.

    UMNO leaders especially its second echelon leaders today sought to politicize everything – from education to religion and more. They do it for their own political ends. It does not matter if it is destroying the fabric of our society.

    They have to stop or be stopped!

  12. #12 by DarkHorse on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 7:58 pm

    “What would this lead to? Another despicable act of bigotry similar to that of the destruction of Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan?” ALtPJK

    No. But it would lead to Badawi stepping down for “health reasons” and Najib taking over the reins.

  13. #13 by liaw3003sc on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:11 pm

    Terrible! Terrible! Terrible!
    Remove the cross in mission school? It is already sadly felt by non-Malays especially the Christians the mission school [deleted]. First of all, in the sixties or seventies, they said its better for the mission schools to be handed over to the MOE, they promised they will never change the status quo of the school. But slowly, you can see what’s happening. They are also telling the Chinese school at one stage, it was fortunate that the Chinese school boards don’t fall into their trap; of course, in return, they said the Chinese school boards people are anti-government! Who is the real culprit?
    They are the most racist people who implement policy which is unfair to the non-Malays (not even the peace loving Malays on the street will agree with their unfair implementation. However, they are afraid to make any comments; they just leave it to their so called leaders to lead them, after all, it will only benefits them even more). However, when the non-Malays voice out against the unfairness, these UMNO racist will yell we are racist instead! Terrible!
    It is with deep regret that our ‘Unity Minister’ Dato James Ongkili also started to remind ‘the frustrated underclass people’ of another May 13 threat. I think he must remind UMNO power to implement policies that are fair to all its citizen right from the start of every implementation! No body will need or like to ‘go to the street’ if things are fairly implemented, or voice could be heard through proper channel. HOPELESS WITH THESE PEOPLE AROUND! LET’S JUST VOTE THE OPPOSITION AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN! AFTER ALL, WITH THESE PEOPLE IN POWER, WE WILL ALSO DIE!

  14. #14 by busyyy on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:13 pm

    i once sold a bag to a malay lady which picture a clear blue night,and it has a star on the right corner which glow cross like,
    she then took it back insist on money return because of the Christianity symbol,i accept it.
    The next day ,a lady from Syria with Muslim lady clothing wanted that same bag,i pointed the crosslike star to her,and asked her if this too sensitive , she argue that is a star,and she bought it because of it.
    I was confused.

  15. #15 by DarkHorse on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:38 pm

    Some look at a cross, and they see a crucifix. Others look at the cross and see a cross.

  16. #16 by borrring on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:45 pm

    I had a malay colleague who bought a shirt & didnt realized there was a “cross like” symbol on the shirt. She spent the whole day trying to get the symbol out of the shirt with a knife when she realized it was too late to return the shirt back to the shop. She even bleached the shirt, to no avail. I was puzzled why it was a big deal to her. According to her, if she did die using this shirt (with the “cross like” symbol on the shirt), the angels won’t be able to take her soul. Apparently, these islam angels are afraid of the cross!!??

  17. #17 by malaysia born on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:52 pm

    The time to give and take is over!

    For too long we have been giving and taking nothing in return.

    I propose that there be a by-law for noise regulation to be introduce in par-lie-ment. This will ensure that we are not rudely awaken early in the morning by the muslim prayer.

    I propose that ALL vehicles double parking in front of any mosques be tow away every friday afternoon. That way we will not endure any unnecessary traffic jams around those areas.

    Lets see what they have to say about these proposals. And they have the nerve to tell us that our country is peaceful because religious tolerance is practice here. Tolerance on our part, yes! Definitely NOT on their part!

  18. #18 by DarkHorse on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 8:56 pm

    CRUCIFIX IN MISSION SCHOOLS

    Since Malaysia is not a secular state and not a religious state, it is condemned to a life time of schizophrenic existence.

    In the United States, religious symbols are not allowed in schools and in federal buildings because it goes against the U.S. Constitution. No prayers are allowed at the beginning of classes.

    In France, the Muslim ‘hijab’ is banned.

    If Malaysia has to ban the crucifix from mission schools that would be going against the Malaysian Constitution which guarantees religious freedom to all. If they are not happy with the presence of crucifix anywhere then they would have to close all houses of worship and not only Churches.

  19. #19 by Fort on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:06 pm

    Dear liaw3003sc, Thanks for writing!

    I agree with you we must vote the corrupted and extreemists out.

    To ensure that they are out, we need to, for a start to print out key articles for those who do not use the internet.

    I also speak to people in the course of my work the many misdeeds done by the ruling elites.

  20. #20 by ALtPJK on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:07 pm

    The worry is that this demand for removal of cross and demolition of Christian statues represents only the thin end of the wedge leading on to more blatantly transgressive intolerance.

    Doesn’t Article 11 in the Constitution provide for adequate protection of other religions or is this again qualified? Or are we witnessing an evil act of ‘frog in warming water’ gradual desensitising?

  21. #21 by mendela on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:14 pm

    With these air-heads and religious extremists in power, how can Malaysia becomes a civilized country?

    If crosses need to be removed from churches and badges, yes, pls take away too all “t” when these people write.

    tax becomes ax, telephone becomes elephone, Lingam tape becomes Lingam ape, train becomes rain…

    Where is Malaysia going from now? This is a [deleted] sick country leads by [deleted] people!

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  22. #22 by greatstuff on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:24 pm

    Just tell the people who instruct not to display the crucifix, to go and stuff themselves; isn’t that the best answer?

  23. #23 by sec on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:28 pm

    Enough is Enuogh-stop it.
    Why should one race ” kau tau” to the other race.
    Only the MCA and MIC should “kau tau’ to the Umnoputra.

  24. #24 by waterman on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:35 pm

    Any good historian here? I was given the impression that proper schools & hospitals here were started by the tireless missionaries of Jesus Christ who gave their lives to champion the course for our human good.( eg Robert Morrison)
    Now come come What a Malaysian way to return gratitude?

    Hebrews 12:14
    Pursue peace with all men (surely the destroying crosses can’t be considered as peace seeking) & holiness (corruption of all sorts are unholy),without which no one will see the LORD ( meaning- will banish in eternal HELL).

    My take is:- Don’t tell me how you love God by destroying things until you show me how you love man by caring for the poor & the defenceless irrespective of color, race & religion!!!

    May God bless Malaysia!

  25. #25 by sheriff singh on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:35 pm

    The government controlled radio stations and media regularly boast that we “live in peace and harmony, there is religious tolerance and respect for each other’s beliefs and cultures, we are one strong, united, happy family bla, bla bla…”. Maybe the DJs are living in a different world and are having delusions, maybe they are merely script readers with no minds of their own, maybe the Ministry of (Mis)Information is misinformed or misinforming deliberately.

    Temples and churches are regularly refused permission to install bells for their buildings or are asked to “tone down” their religious activities. Permission to build new places of worship meet with many obstacles and there are many restrictions placed on them because the Islamic people object to this and that and the poor Majlis Perbandaran have to comply.

    Many mission schools, including many Convents, are already headed by non-Christians, many with muslim headmasters or headmistresses, so what is the concern? Any Muslim who continue to fear the Mission schools, need not send their children there.

    But it is interesting to note that many Malays and non-Chinese send their children to Chinese schools without any problems. But it is the Christian schools that they have problems with. One just wonder why?

    After 50 years, we get more and more narrow minded and less tolerant. And sadly there are still many who feel insecure and want and need to stamp their “ketuanan” over the others especially the minorities.

    I certainly hope the Man with the Big Ears is listening and paying attention to all the going-ons. But I doubt he is strong enough to do anything except make empty, meaningless statements and slogans. A friend labelled him Bapak Pekak.

    But read this interesting article of religious tolerance and goodwill:

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10804

  26. #26 by cheng on soo on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:39 pm

    Hei mendela, u forget to mentioned about the so many +++++ ,on the railway lines, should these railway lines be removed as well? or re design into some other shape? or use something to cover all those “crosses”. one day, some of these people may demand KTM to do this !

  27. #27 by ihavesomethingtosay on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:46 pm

    Messy: Cross removed from school badge, true?

    Yes, Convent Girls School in Muar, Cross was replaced with a cresent moon on badge.

    how silly.

    these two idiot from the surrounding village of Muar must be damn proud of themselves for this seditious act.

    [deleted]

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  28. #28 by izrafeil on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:49 pm

    I feared that TALIBANISATION of Malaysia is at an accelerating pace! No where to hide now!

  29. #29 by lucia on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:50 pm

    hmm.. i left a trackback here but how come it didn’t appear?

    anyway, i blog about this on 22 nov, and also on 24 nov, and it was picked up by darnmalaysia blog, which then spread across among many bloggers. do read the comments at darnmalaysia blog.

    if these people are so afraid of crosses and christian statues, it only reflect the insecurity (and lack of faith) on them.

  30. #30 by undergrad2 on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:52 pm

    Mendela, it is as nonsencical as you make it out to be.

    In the U.S. they have had to remove the Ten Commandments from the Court House in a country where you are free to practice any religion of your choice. However, it is not because the country’s leaders are atheists but it is because it goes against their Constitution. They religously follow the dictates of their Constitution which separates the church from the state. Religous symbols are not allowed in government buildings.

    This has been criticized by Christian Evangelicals but there is nothing anybody could do because this nation is built on the rule of law – rather than the rule of men.

    ALtPJK,

    This issue has been debated over and over again. It does not hurt to recap.

    Art. 11 guarantees the rights of non-Malays and non-Muslims to practice their religion. Unfortunately the Malays are not as free. They are not free to choose which religion to belong to but they are free to practice their religion as Muslims.

    The non-Malays and non-Muslims are not free to proselytize the Malays and if they do various state legislation subjects them to a fine or/and jail sentence.

    Problems arise as you know when non-Malays who convert to Islam and then want to re-convert back to their original religion. To stop them would be to deny them of their constitutional right. One way to stop re-conversions has been to force them to submit to syariah law when they are no longer Muslims. For these converts to Islam the law has to say they are non-Muslims otherwise they remain legally Muslims. Ridiculous though as it may appear but that is the law! Otherwise, non-Malays and non-Muslims are free to practice their religions.

  31. #31 by undergrad2 on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:54 pm

    ooops “not” inadvertently left out – “not as nonsencical….”

  32. #32 by negarawan on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:54 pm

    UMNO demolished the Hindu temples and now they wan’t do destroy other objects of other religions. Who would believe you Mr Badawi that your are “hearing”? And MCA and MIC continue to stay at the sidelines while fattening themselves with spoils dropped off the UMNO feasting table, while the rakyat take their problems to the street. Let there be more peaceful rallies to let the whole world know the corruption, cruelty, and hypocrisy of UMNO!

  33. #33 by grace on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 9:57 pm

    This has been going on in some schools. Some HMs are real stupid.
    Here is one incident: The HM gave the instruction to the pianter to leave the cross on top of the building unpainted while the whole building got a new coat of paint.
    Then there was one where the cross was ‘accidentally’ broken by workers! Must be a damn idiotic worker. The cross stoothere for decade and he could accidentally broke it!

    I weonder Pak Lah has no control over the MPs who behave like hooligans!!!

  34. #34 by lbn on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:04 pm

    This is news. Very shocking news! What extremism! What democracy! Best we buck up before we go to oblivion!

  35. #35 by Godamn Singh on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:10 pm

    I don’t know about you guys but I want to go to my temple.

  36. #36 by ALtPJK on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:13 pm

    Thanks Undergrad2 for your input. I have only been a recent reader of this blog so have missed out on earlier debates on this issue.

    Your last 2 paragraphs have explained the issue of proselytization and its consequences but what about the issue of Christians in this case or Hindus in the case of temple destruction not being allowed to have the necessary ‘trappings’, if you will, to practise their religion? Doesn’t this then contravene the provision of the Constitution?

  37. #37 by ALtPJK on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:23 pm

    It should read ‘…contravene the relevant provision in the Constitution?’

  38. #38 by undergrad2 on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:24 pm

    ALtPJK

    I am unable to address the specificity of the allegation. I don’t have sufficient access to the media but if I may speculate, it would appear there was an issue of law and order involved; but apparently overzealous public officials took advantage of the law, disregarding the sensitivity of the issue involve non-Muslims (I say non-Muslims rather than Hindus for obvious reasons). Wasn’t there a surau in the same vicinity that was demolished to make way for development?

    I believe it is not like several bulldozers bringing down a temple for the sake of bringing it down.

    Having said that the issue is not lost! This government recently has been upping the ante. Creeping Islamization of the 90s has now taken a new vigor. They need to put back the genie where it should be – in the bottle.

  39. #39 by ALtPJK on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:39 pm

    Hmmmm…something sort of ‘rule of men’ rather than ‘rule of law’….

  40. #40 by budak on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:45 pm

    can ask Bodowi to charge these bunch of Penyangak under ISA…
    these otak cacing MP caused and stirring racial disharmony in BolehLand…

  41. #41 by smeagroo on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 10:55 pm

    And you wonder why it is so difficult to have churches in new housing areas. A church that doesnt look like a church and musnt look like one. Most of them operate in shophouses.

    Take this…

    ++++++++++++

  42. #42 by messy on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:03 pm

    to fort:
    i come from a premier mission school…last time my school badge has a cross on it but now there isn’t…
    i guessed you know why

  43. #43 by Godamn Singh on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:07 pm

    Obviously our limkampuiiiiiet has chosen to ignore a polite and diplomatic reminder by Kit to him in reply to his inquiry as to why his post has been deleted:

    [“Can I also urge all posters to respect all other posters and visitors by refraining from using langauge which are crude, vulgar and offensive. - Kit]

    He has just added another one-liner to the string of one-liners to posters:

    “You are a spineless bastard”

    Here are the rest of his “quotable quotes” littered all over the threads:

    “I think the more you write, the more you show your stupidity”

    “We are what we repeatedly do. it is confirmed that you are more than stupid”

    “I suggest you go for grade one english class first before you come here.”

    “Colonel my foot. You are not even qualified to be private.”

    We would like to know what does it take for him to acknowledge the need to observe civility in the exchanges since a polite reminder from the blog owner has failed.

  44. #44 by LittleBird on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:16 pm

    First the red cross and then the King in chess game (lucky Hindu fanatics didn’t demand thier symbols to be there) and now down with all the crosses. Soon we will be learning math like this

    1 ( 1 = 2

    2 ( 2 = 4

    CAn’t anyone think life outside their own religion? How can human be so naive to believe his or her race/ religion or language or culture to be superior than others.

    What would happened if a non muslim MP were to say vice versa?

  45. #45 by dawsheng on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:19 pm

    “I’ve helped them, I’ve helped them in many ways. They want money to repair their temples, I help because we respect other religions and they are not our enemies, they have cooperated very well with us.”

    http://news.sg.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1124860

  46. #46 by LittleBird on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:20 pm

    Messy, we students made a Plato’s statue some 30 years ago but it is no longer there. A huge concrete structure of Plato no more there. Why?

  47. #47 by waterfrontcoolie on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:21 pm

    I am never a religious person but I always believe the relationship between me and my CREATOR is very private. HE knows all that I did, I do and that I will do; if whatever teachings that I have been taught still prick my conscience. I studied in a missionary school in a small town with less than 10 non-malay students in our class. Being the senior most class, every Friday, whenever the regular Pastor failed to turn up, one of us would be called upon to conduct the ‘service’ which in reality consisted of reading some verses from the Bilble and then singing some songs. Up to to-day I had not changed my faith though I learned a lot about Christainity which a member of siblings had chosen to embrace. We met and talked and often I was invited to Makan ,though by now they would have given up hope of changing me.
    My respects for people of different faiths remains the same if they are sincere: though we have to leave out the real hypocrites who would surely drop through the ‘hypocaust’ when their time arrives.
    I have had stated that faith should best be left to individual and open debate or state’s interference will cause havoc. By encroaching on the rights of others’ belief will wreck any society any where! It is a matter of time.

  48. #48 by anakbaram on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:24 pm

    Congratulation and thank you YB Lim Kiat Siang. I am a product of a Christian school. Without the Christian schools many a place in this country would not have any schools that were established so long now.

    Many of the members of the Sarawak & Sabah Cabinet Ministers have the Christian schools to thank for their education. The Christians do not force their religion on others. Just look at those ministers in the government. Why is there such an attack on the Christina schools? What happen to all the Christian leaders & YB’s? Why are they not speaking up? Are the Christian BN YB’s busy pleasing their masters, the brainless morons in the government?

  49. #49 by yapchongyee on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:33 pm

    I don’t want to sound grandiose, but all of mankind through history live by a core value of morality, decency, the absolute need for good neighbourlyness; these are the core values of all peoples and faiths, be they Confucious, Muslim or Christians.

    Civilised and mature societies live harmoniously by these values, therefore in these societies we find peace, happiness, law & order & citizens living happily side by side, in absolute tolerance. Look at the world today and see for yourselves, where are found the disfunctional societies. We find them in societies where their people find it hard to tolerate differences; in Europe, we find this in Serbia, Kosovo, Albania (these are failed states where Muslim fight Chriatians ); in South Asia (we find MUslims fight Hindoo); in Ireland ( Protestants fight Catholics ); in Iraq (Shias fight Kurds, fight Shiites and Christians). There are other examples in Africa, but why bother to exhaust the list ?

    I saw a picture on U-tube or was it Chinadaily ? I saw the twisted face of SHEER HATRED on the face of this Malaysian minister, Hussein Onn’s son, holding up his very big KRIS in a posture of a salute. What does he aim to want to project ? Was he warning the other communities that if the supreme & superior status of the Malays, another May 16th Riot will again raise its ugly head ? Let the truth be said that the Chinese & Indians have not done anything to deserve Hussein Onn’s inslut. His antics is not more than childishness. Will UMNO really take to the streets and like “513″ slaughter hundreds of Chinese ? I really do not think you will want to do that again.

    In the age of IT, such image of intolerance is more the image of state THUGGERY. I have to admit that critisms from the world community is like water off a duck’s back; Malaysia is impervious to criticism; that said what does it matter what the world thinks of Malaysia ? I find it very incomprehensible why the Malays find such depth of hatred for their minority races ? Malays already receive all the money that the Malaysian Government got to give in, grants, interest free loans that are never paid back, all the scholarships that come from the government. Minority races just do not get any assistances whatsoever. Few if any jobs are available to the minority races. IS THERE ANYTHING MORE THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN FIND THE MONEY TO GIVE TO THE MALAYS ? The Chinese & Indians so far have sat on their hands and hope that some crumps will fall on their lap ! That believe will never happen.

    THIS REALLY BEGS THE QUESTIONS, “what is the next step that minority races can take to enforce their rights.” The INdians found their guts in this HINDRAFF ; and I say that their gallant sacrifice and protest must be supported.

    I will write an article and hope that it will be accepted, [deleted]

    I will discuss these issues in my article.

  50. #50 by Marathonrunner on Monday, 3 December 2007 - 11:38 pm

    Honestly speaking, these ” Extremists ” simply talked with no brains and their bosses’ brains are far difference which only stuff with coconut husk.

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