Comments on: Are we not Indian enough? http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/ for Malaysia Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:18:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-62215 ktteokt Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:31:28 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-62215 First it was May 13 where the Malays clash with the Chinese, then the Sentosa incident where Malays clash with the Indians. Now tell me who is the trouble maker! Who is driving who up the wall? First it was May 13 where the Malays clash with the Chinese, then the Sentosa incident where Malays clash with the Indians. Now tell me who is the trouble maker! Who is driving who up the wall?

]]> By: cheeran70 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-61191 cheeran70 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-61191 Why the talk about the terms and word 'Hindu' when things are shifting towards another direction. UMNO is slowly fanning the issue into a racial agenda. The claims by HINDRAF are being thrown into the drain with rising fire of racism. Another attempt by the UMNO people to scare the nons. Its high time that the Malays understand that HINDRAF has no any ill intention against the Malay people. The Malays must understand (includingthose UMNO supporters) that they are still far lagging in their economic, education and social status compared to many who rub shoulders with the UMNO Majlis Tertinggi. HINDRAF had submitted numerous letters and memorandums to the government and its officials in various departments, and nobody responded to any of the claims by HINDRAF. The Malays are angry that HINDRAF did not consult the Yang Di Pertuan Agung on this matter, but they must understand too, that copies of letters have been sent to many prominent and relevant government official to intervene. None of them did anything to counter check HINDRAF's claim, because UMNO has never respected any race, other than Malay(and that too not all Malays). Check this site, please : http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/10/temple-demolitions-in-malaysia-hindrafs.html Whatever tolerance being preached is just an eyewash by UMNO led coalition. MIC, GERAKAN and MCA are nothing but shadows that exist only when UMNO on the switches. Apart of that they are mere puppets, dead puppets!!!. I dont support every motion by HINDRAF, but I feel there are things that government should begin to study, especially the Kampung Medan incident and police brutality in the lockups. I have nothing... I have nothing against mortars and bricks that made the temples, mosques and churches; I have nothing against man of all races and relgions that out of their beliefs each came out unique; I have nothing against politicians that made up stories of fancy fantasies and myths; I have nothing against Malays, Chinese, Indians or whatever that made up this beautiful country called Malaysia; but I am all out against every hypocrite of all races that tore the heart of unified mankind in Malaysia and sliced their thoughts unto fire called racism just to plunder the wealth and power though of temporal nature in this eternal play. author : cyclopseven for your eyes only : http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/12/farish-noor-tale-of-two-templed.html Why the talk about the terms and word ‘Hindu’ when things are shifting towards another direction. UMNO is slowly fanning the issue into a racial agenda. The claims by HINDRAF are being thrown into the drain with rising fire of racism. Another attempt by the UMNO people to scare the nons. Its high time that the Malays understand that HINDRAF has no any ill intention against the Malay people. The Malays must understand (includingthose UMNO supporters) that they are still far lagging in their economic, education and social status compared to many who rub shoulders with the UMNO Majlis Tertinggi. HINDRAF had submitted numerous letters and memorandums to the government and its officials in various departments, and nobody responded to any of the claims by HINDRAF. The Malays are angry that HINDRAF did not consult the Yang Di Pertuan Agung on this matter, but they must understand too, that copies of letters have been sent to many prominent and relevant government official to intervene. None of them did anything to counter check HINDRAF’s claim, because UMNO has never respected any race, other than Malay(and that too not all Malays).

Check this site, please : http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/10/temple-demolitions-in-malaysia-hindrafs.html

Whatever tolerance being preached is just an eyewash by UMNO led coalition. MIC, GERAKAN and MCA are nothing but shadows that exist only when UMNO on the switches. Apart of that they are mere puppets, dead puppets!!!. I dont support every motion by HINDRAF, but I feel there are things that government should begin to study, especially the Kampung Medan incident and police brutality in the lockups.

I have nothing…

I have nothing against mortars and bricks
that made the temples, mosques and churches;
I have nothing against man of all races and relgions
that out of their beliefs each came out unique;
I have nothing against politicians
that made up stories of fancy fantasies and myths;
I have nothing against Malays, Chinese, Indians or whatever
that made up this beautiful country called Malaysia;
but
I am all out against every hypocrite of all races
that tore the heart of unified mankind in Malaysia
and sliced their thoughts unto fire called racism
just to plunder the wealth and power
though of temporal nature in this eternal play.

author : cyclopseven

for your eyes only :

http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/12/farish-noor-tale-of-two-templed.html

]]> By: EARNEST http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60614 EARNEST Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:59:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60614 fish_talk, One Chinese activist lost his citizenship championing the cause of Chinese education, perhaps too passionately to the Powers-that-be; the Chinese had even engaged a Queen Counsel with their own money to fight their cause perhaps before you were born, that is why you do not know about it. Ask your parents about it. The Chinese has great sense of tolerance. But, do not forget, the Chinese word for tolerance, "ren" has the word knife on top of it. Do not underestimate and push the Chinaman too far. I do not mean you, but whoever. fish_talk,
One Chinese activist lost his citizenship championing the cause of Chinese education, perhaps too passionately to the Powers-that-be; the Chinese had even engaged a Queen Counsel with their own money to fight their cause perhaps before you were born, that is why you do not know about it. Ask your parents about it.

The Chinese has great sense of tolerance. But, do not forget, the Chinese word for tolerance, “ren” has the word knife on top of it. Do not underestimate and push the Chinaman too far. I do not mean you, but whoever.

]]> By: fish_talk http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60489 fish_talk Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:11:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60489 Hindraf was a small insignificant body next to nothing. But to the oppressed and the deprived they have no better shelter than this. For 50 years, while their livelihood been eroded, their self proclaimed Guardians have been side stepping them, all too busy working for personal gains. That’s why Hindraf rise to the occasion. Providing an alternative channel for the people to air their grievances. Hindraf may have dragged on the colossal baggage of Religion and past British colonialism into the picture. But if not, how else are you able to drum up the support from the grassroot, and how else to attract such international attention. Good strategy and good planning. AAB and gang, be real and sincere about it. You are expressing your Anger now. Calling Indian ungrateful! Some idiot even calling for stripping off citizenships from the people. Furthermore, threats of ISA has been thrown around. While denying the wrongs Hindraf has accused you. You are actually committing yet more Human Rights violation. Please stop bullying the people who try to voice out their grievances. More importantly must know why it started in the first place. Salute to you Hindraf. And regrettable to say, there is no its equivalent of CHINRAF. For Chinaman are too Kia See. Hindraf was a small insignificant body next to nothing. But to the oppressed and the deprived they have no better shelter than this. For 50 years, while their livelihood been eroded, their self proclaimed Guardians have been side stepping them, all too busy working for personal gains.

That’s why Hindraf rise to the occasion. Providing an alternative channel for the people to air their grievances. Hindraf may have dragged on the colossal baggage of Religion and past British colonialism into the picture. But if not, how else are you able to drum up the support from the grassroot, and how else to attract such international attention. Good strategy and good planning.

AAB and gang, be real and sincere about it. You are expressing your Anger now. Calling Indian ungrateful! Some idiot even calling for stripping off citizenships from the people. Furthermore, threats of ISA has been thrown around. While denying the wrongs Hindraf has accused you. You are actually committing yet more Human Rights violation. Please stop bullying the people who try to voice out their grievances. More importantly must know why it started in the first place.

Salute to you Hindraf.
And regrettable to say, there is no its equivalent of CHINRAF. For Chinaman are too Kia See.

]]> By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60409 ktteokt Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:53:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60409 Lakshy is right! MIC no longer serve any purpose in bringing security and prosperity to the Malaysian Indian community, so why don't all members "jump the fence" and join Keadilan or DAP to fight for their rights. I think they have seen enough what MIC can do for them!! Lakshy is right! MIC no longer serve any purpose in bringing security and prosperity to the Malaysian Indian community, so why don’t all members “jump the fence” and join Keadilan or DAP to fight for their rights. I think they have seen enough what MIC can do for them!!

]]> By: lakshy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60394 lakshy Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:56:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60394 The next move by the Indians to show their disgust should be to quit MIC. Join Keadilan or DAP. Joining Keadilan in large numbers will make it a Malaysian party. Joining DAP will mean that DAP is no longer a mainly Chinese party. Lets show the way and move away from racebased politics. Lets show that we can do it. I guarantee you that this will bring MIC down on its knees where it belongs! The next move by the Indians to show their disgust should be to quit MIC. Join Keadilan or DAP. Joining Keadilan in large numbers will make it a Malaysian party. Joining DAP will mean that DAP is no longer a mainly Chinese party.

Lets show the way and move away from racebased politics. Lets show that we can do it.

I guarantee you that this will bring MIC down on its knees where it belongs!

]]> By: KS R http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60388 KS R Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:32:25 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60388 Hi Uncle What Hindraf did is correct. First place why Permit was not issued for peaceful gathering. Youth M Hashmuddin told the youth to burn as much of Isreal Flag when Isreal and lebanon war Khairy When Rice was here he and the youth burn US Flag as youth they should not teach violance to the Youth. Where was this BN crooks No Permit, No tear Gas, No Chemical Gas,No canon, No baton Why Indians GATHERING all Gas was used and the Police treated brutal attack on Indians. Tell the ediots,and God is Great the world media was covering and VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPH told the truth and spoke. Dato Sri Samy should inform the crooks to shut their mouth and feedback to them let PM AND DPM to handle.if he got guts. I was dispointed with some of the Indians was not supporting whereby the Lawyers gave the life in and out jail for the Indians and not forgeting the other hero's was jail also fighting for 2.5 million Indians. Some of the Indians are ungrateful because they only speak under the skirt Time to wake up. PM should call for the meeting with the Lawyers. For them Indians is cheap,God is watching and they will pay heavy penalty for this. Hi Uncle

What Hindraf did is correct. First place why Permit was not issued for peaceful gathering.

Youth M Hashmuddin told the youth to burn as much of Isreal Flag when Isreal and lebanon war

Khairy When Rice was here he and the youth burn US Flag as youth they should not teach violance to the Youth.

Where was this BN crooks

No Permit, No tear Gas, No Chemical Gas,No canon, No baton

Why Indians GATHERING all Gas was used and the Police treated brutal attack on Indians. Tell the ediots,and God is Great the world media was covering and VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPH told the truth and spoke.

Dato Sri Samy should inform the crooks to shut their mouth and feedback to them let PM AND DPM to handle.if he got guts.

I was dispointed with some of the Indians was not supporting whereby the Lawyers gave the life in and out jail for the Indians and not forgeting the other hero’s was jail also fighting for 2.5 million Indians. Some of the Indians are ungrateful because they only speak under the skirt

Time to wake up. PM should call for the meeting with the Lawyers. For them Indians is cheap,God is watching and they will pay heavy penalty for this.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60294 undergrad2 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:25:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60294 "An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances." An independent inquiry would help identify the causes. It would help rebut claims that the HINDRAF demonstrations, for example, were politically driven. It would help identify the anarchists be they plainclothes policemen or gangster elements out to exploit the situation for themselves. It would help confirm that innocent devotees were caught in the fray. Or if it was just an issue of law and order badly handled. But charging devotees (if one is to assume the characterization here as being accurate) is ridiculous. “An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.”

An independent inquiry would help identify the causes. It would help rebut claims that the HINDRAF demonstrations, for example, were politically driven. It would help identify the anarchists be they plainclothes policemen or gangster elements out to exploit the situation for themselves. It would help confirm that innocent devotees were caught in the fray. Or if it was just an issue of law and order badly handled.

But charging devotees (if one is to assume the characterization here as being accurate) is ridiculous.

]]> By: teluyalam http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60262 teluyalam Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:44:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/#comment-60262 my thots on ethnic cleansing claim by Hindraf. there have been many spurious conversions of late, usually those who are less educated or in a deplorable condition or even in an incapacitated condition who seem to suffer this fate. for a poor family, say single mother with a number of children, if a welfare group comes acalling and says "hey u n ur kids convert, jus change ur name in ur IC we will give u RM300 monthly" u think she wont do it.. what more with free goodies for raya n haji not to mention further help thru all kinds of agencies and gov linked charities. whose money? our taxes my fren. many in this country may consider conversion jus to help themselves out of a tight situation. others do it for "love". LOL he/she loves u or he/she loves the fact that u r becoming muslim? first n foremost, each religious body is not doing enough for these people n the hindus r foremost (which could also be due to a large number of them being too poor to help themselves). I beg rich hindus to set-up a body to channel wealth and help to their poorer kin. i beg them to do it systematically and to preach about this great religion which is all about tolerance and humility. make each temple a focal point for the spread of good teaching and aid to the poor of any race or religion because for hindus "every river leads to the same sea, every path to the same mountain". Use your vote, those u don't appreciate - kick out! University students need to unite and speak out for freedom to vote and to join or set-up societies or political parties. you guys have the brains.. i meant those who actually did well.. not some of those basket-cases that may not even have passed "O"level exams. come out of your shells. the gov is afraid of you which is why they have shut u down. do not be afraid. Dec 9 be there. this is not a hindu issue, or indian issue or a minority issue. this is about injustice. this is about an individual's rights and this is about our self-respect. The Malay culture is beautiful in its hospitality and gentleness. but power, religion and arrogance have led this good people to destruction. Malaysia will have a very violent future if these policies continue because even the chinese are finding themselves struggling. licenses and contracts are being given to those who have no merit. any business that a malay cannot do is "haram" or becoming so. my thots on ethnic cleansing claim by Hindraf. there have been many spurious conversions of late, usually those who are less educated or in a deplorable condition or even in an incapacitated condition who seem to suffer this fate. for a poor family, say single mother with a number of children, if a welfare group comes acalling and says “hey u n ur kids convert, jus change ur name in ur IC we will give u RM300 monthly” u think she wont do it.. what more with free goodies for raya n haji not to mention further help thru all kinds of agencies and gov linked charities. whose money? our taxes my fren. many in this country may consider conversion jus to help themselves out of a tight situation. others do it for “love”. LOL he/she loves u or he/she loves the fact that u r becoming muslim? first n foremost, each religious body is not doing enough for these people n the hindus r foremost (which could also be due to a large number of them being too poor to help themselves). I beg rich hindus to set-up a body to channel wealth and help to their poorer kin. i beg them to do it systematically and to preach about this great religion which is all about tolerance and humility. make each temple a focal point for the spread of good teaching and aid to the poor of any race or religion because for hindus “every river leads to the same sea, every path to the same mountain”. Use your vote, those u don’t appreciate - kick out!

University students need to unite and speak out for freedom to vote and to join or set-up societies or political parties. you guys have the brains.. i meant those who actually did well.. not some of those basket-cases that may not even have passed “O”level exams. come out of your shells. the gov is afraid of you which is why they have shut u down. do not be afraid. Dec 9 be there. this is not a hindu issue, or indian issue or a minority issue. this is about injustice. this is about an individual’s rights and this is about our self-respect.

The Malay culture is beautiful in its hospitality and gentleness. but power, religion and arrogance have led this good people to destruction. Malaysia will have a very violent future if these policies continue because even the chinese are finding themselves struggling. licenses and contracts are being given to those who have no merit. any business that a malay cannot do is “haram” or becoming so.

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