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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-62215</link>
		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First it was May 13 where the Malays clash with the Chinese, then the Sentosa incident where Malays clash with the Indians. Now tell me who is the trouble maker! Who is driving who up the wall?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First it was May 13 where the Malays clash with the Chinese, then the Sentosa incident where Malays clash with the Indians. Now tell me who is the trouble maker! Who is driving who up the wall?</p>
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		<title>By: cheeran70</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-61191</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeran70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the talk about the terms and word &#039;Hindu&#039; when things are shifting towards another direction. UMNO is slowly fanning the issue into a racial agenda. The claims by HINDRAF are being thrown into the drain with rising fire of racism. Another attempt by the UMNO people to scare the nons. Its high time that the Malays understand that HINDRAF has no any ill intention against the Malay people. The Malays must understand (includingthose UMNO supporters) that they are still far lagging in their economic, education and social status compared to many who rub shoulders with the UMNO Majlis Tertinggi. HINDRAF had submitted numerous letters and memorandums to the government and its officials in various departments, and nobody responded to any of the claims by HINDRAF. The Malays are angry that HINDRAF did not consult the Yang Di Pertuan Agung on this matter, but they must understand too, that copies of letters have been sent to many prominent and relevant government official to intervene. None of them did anything to counter check HINDRAF&#039;s claim, because UMNO has never respected any race, other than Malay(and that too not all Malays). 

Check this site, please : http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/10/temple-demolitions-in-malaysia-hindrafs.html

Whatever tolerance being preached is just an eyewash by UMNO led coalition. MIC, GERAKAN and MCA are nothing but shadows that exist only when UMNO on the switches. Apart of that they are mere puppets, dead puppets!!!.  I dont support every motion by HINDRAF, but I feel there are things that government should begin to study, especially the Kampung Medan incident and police brutality in the lockups.

I have nothing...

I have nothing against mortars and bricks
that made the temples, mosques and churches;
I have nothing against man of all races and relgions
that out of their beliefs each came out unique;
I have nothing against politicians
that made up stories of fancy fantasies and myths;
I have nothing against Malays, Chinese, Indians or whatever
that made up this beautiful country called Malaysia;
but
I am all out against every hypocrite of all races
that tore the heart of unified mankind in Malaysia
and sliced their thoughts unto fire called racism
just to plunder the wealth and power
though of temporal nature in this eternal play.

author : cyclopseven


for your eyes only :

http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/12/farish-noor-tale-of-two-templed.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the talk about the terms and word &#8216;Hindu&#8217; when things are shifting towards another direction. UMNO is slowly fanning the issue into a racial agenda. The claims by HINDRAF are being thrown into the drain with rising fire of racism. Another attempt by the UMNO people to scare the nons. Its high time that the Malays understand that HINDRAF has no any ill intention against the Malay people. The Malays must understand (includingthose UMNO supporters) that they are still far lagging in their economic, education and social status compared to many who rub shoulders with the UMNO Majlis Tertinggi. HINDRAF had submitted numerous letters and memorandums to the government and its officials in various departments, and nobody responded to any of the claims by HINDRAF. The Malays are angry that HINDRAF did not consult the Yang Di Pertuan Agung on this matter, but they must understand too, that copies of letters have been sent to many prominent and relevant government official to intervene. None of them did anything to counter check HINDRAF&#8217;s claim, because UMNO has never respected any race, other than Malay(and that too not all Malays). </p>
<p>Check this site, please : <a href="http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/10/temple-demolitions-in-malaysia-hindrafs.html" rel="nofollow">http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/10/temple-demolitions-in-malaysia-hindrafs.html</a></p>
<p>Whatever tolerance being preached is just an eyewash by UMNO led coalition. MIC, GERAKAN and MCA are nothing but shadows that exist only when UMNO on the switches. Apart of that they are mere puppets, dead puppets!!!.  I dont support every motion by HINDRAF, but I feel there are things that government should begin to study, especially the Kampung Medan incident and police brutality in the lockups.</p>
<p>I have nothing&#8230;</p>
<p>I have nothing against mortars and bricks<br />
that made the temples, mosques and churches;<br />
I have nothing against man of all races and relgions<br />
that out of their beliefs each came out unique;<br />
I have nothing against politicians<br />
that made up stories of fancy fantasies and myths;<br />
I have nothing against Malays, Chinese, Indians or whatever<br />
that made up this beautiful country called Malaysia;<br />
but<br />
I am all out against every hypocrite of all races<br />
that tore the heart of unified mankind in Malaysia<br />
and sliced their thoughts unto fire called racism<br />
just to plunder the wealth and power<br />
though of temporal nature in this eternal play.</p>
<p>author : cyclopseven</p>
<p>for your eyes only :</p>
<p><a href="http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/12/farish-noor-tale-of-two-templed.html" rel="nofollow">http://sharanyamanivannan.blogspot.com/2007/12/farish-noor-tale-of-two-templed.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: EARNEST</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60614</link>
		<dc:creator>EARNEST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fish_talk,
One Chinese activist lost his citizenship championing the cause of Chinese education, perhaps too passionately to the Powers-that-be; the Chinese had even engaged a Queen Counsel with their own money to fight their cause perhaps before you were born, that is why you do not know about it. Ask your parents about it. 

The Chinese has great sense of tolerance. But, do not forget, the Chinese word for  tolerance, &quot;ren&quot; has the word knife on top of it. Do not underestimate and push the Chinaman too far.  I do not mean you, but whoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fish_talk,<br />
One Chinese activist lost his citizenship championing the cause of Chinese education, perhaps too passionately to the Powers-that-be; the Chinese had even engaged a Queen Counsel with their own money to fight their cause perhaps before you were born, that is why you do not know about it. Ask your parents about it. </p>
<p>The Chinese has great sense of tolerance. But, do not forget, the Chinese word for  tolerance, &#8220;ren&#8221; has the word knife on top of it. Do not underestimate and push the Chinaman too far.  I do not mean you, but whoever.</p>
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		<title>By: fish_talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish_talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindraf was a small insignificant body next to nothing. But to the oppressed and the deprived they have no better shelter than this.  For 50 years, while their livelihood been eroded, their self proclaimed Guardians  have been side stepping them, all too busy working for personal gains.

ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s why Hindraf rise to the occasion. Providing an alternative channel for the people to air their grievances. Hindraf may have dragged on the colossal baggage of Religion and past British colonialism into the picture. But if not, how else are you able to drum up the support from the grassroot, and how else to attract such international attention. Good strategy and good planning.  

AAB and gang, be real and sincere about it. You are expressing your Anger now. Calling Indian ungrateful! Some idiot even calling for stripping off citizenships from the people.  Furthermore, threats of ISA has been thrown around. While denying the wrongs Hindraf has accused you. You are actually committing yet more Human Rights violation. Please stop bullying the people who try to voice out their grievances. More importantly must know why it started in the first place.  

Salute to you Hindraf. 
And regrettable to say, there is no its equivalent of CHINRAF. For Chinaman are too Kia See.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindraf was a small insignificant body next to nothing. But to the oppressed and the deprived they have no better shelter than this.  For 50 years, while their livelihood been eroded, their self proclaimed Guardians  have been side stepping them, all too busy working for personal gains.</p>
<p>ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s why Hindraf rise to the occasion. Providing an alternative channel for the people to air their grievances. Hindraf may have dragged on the colossal baggage of Religion and past British colonialism into the picture. But if not, how else are you able to drum up the support from the grassroot, and how else to attract such international attention. Good strategy and good planning.  </p>
<p>AAB and gang, be real and sincere about it. You are expressing your Anger now. Calling Indian ungrateful! Some idiot even calling for stripping off citizenships from the people.  Furthermore, threats of ISA has been thrown around. While denying the wrongs Hindraf has accused you. You are actually committing yet more Human Rights violation. Please stop bullying the people who try to voice out their grievances. More importantly must know why it started in the first place.  </p>
<p>Salute to you Hindraf.<br />
And regrettable to say, there is no its equivalent of CHINRAF. For Chinaman are too Kia See.</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60409</link>
		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lakshy is right! MIC no longer serve any purpose in bringing security and prosperity to the Malaysian Indian community, so why don&#039;t all members &quot;jump the fence&quot; and join Keadilan or DAP to fight for their rights. I think they have seen enough what MIC can do for them!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lakshy is right! MIC no longer serve any purpose in bringing security and prosperity to the Malaysian Indian community, so why don&#8217;t all members &#8220;jump the fence&#8221; and join Keadilan or DAP to fight for their rights. I think they have seen enough what MIC can do for them!!</p>
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		<title>By: lakshy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60394</link>
		<dc:creator>lakshy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next move by the Indians to show their disgust should be to quit MIC.  Join Keadilan or DAP.  Joining Keadilan in large numbers will make it a Malaysian party.  Joining DAP will mean that DAP is no longer a mainly Chinese party.

Lets show the way and move away from racebased politics.  Lets show that we can do it.

I guarantee you that this will bring MIC down on its knees where it belongs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next move by the Indians to show their disgust should be to quit MIC.  Join Keadilan or DAP.  Joining Keadilan in large numbers will make it a Malaysian party.  Joining DAP will mean that DAP is no longer a mainly Chinese party.</p>
<p>Lets show the way and move away from racebased politics.  Lets show that we can do it.</p>
<p>I guarantee you that this will bring MIC down on its knees where it belongs!</p>
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		<title>By: KS R</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60388</link>
		<dc:creator>KS R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Uncle

What Hindraf did is correct. First place why Permit was not issued for peaceful gathering.

Youth M Hashmuddin told the youth to burn as much of Isreal Flag when Isreal and lebanon war

Khairy When Rice was here he and the youth burn US Flag as youth they should not teach violance to the Youth. 

Where was this BN crooks

No Permit, No tear Gas, No Chemical Gas,No canon, No baton

Why Indians GATHERING all Gas was used and the Police treated brutal attack on Indians. Tell the ediots,and God is Great the world media was covering and VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPH told the truth and spoke. 

Dato Sri Samy should inform the crooks to shut their mouth and feedback to them let PM AND DPM to handle.if he got guts.

I was dispointed with some of the Indians was not supporting whereby the Lawyers gave the life in and out jail for the Indians and not forgeting the other hero&#039;s was jail also fighting for 2.5 million Indians. Some of the Indians are ungrateful because they only speak under the skirt

Time to wake up. PM should call for the meeting with the Lawyers. For them Indians is cheap,God is watching and they will pay heavy penalty for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Uncle</p>
<p>What Hindraf did is correct. First place why Permit was not issued for peaceful gathering.</p>
<p>Youth M Hashmuddin told the youth to burn as much of Isreal Flag when Isreal and lebanon war</p>
<p>Khairy When Rice was here he and the youth burn US Flag as youth they should not teach violance to the Youth. </p>
<p>Where was this BN crooks</p>
<p>No Permit, No tear Gas, No Chemical Gas,No canon, No baton</p>
<p>Why Indians GATHERING all Gas was used and the Police treated brutal attack on Indians. Tell the ediots,and God is Great the world media was covering and VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPH told the truth and spoke. </p>
<p>Dato Sri Samy should inform the crooks to shut their mouth and feedback to them let PM AND DPM to handle.if he got guts.</p>
<p>I was dispointed with some of the Indians was not supporting whereby the Lawyers gave the life in and out jail for the Indians and not forgeting the other hero&#8217;s was jail also fighting for 2.5 million Indians. Some of the Indians are ungrateful because they only speak under the skirt</p>
<p>Time to wake up. PM should call for the meeting with the Lawyers. For them Indians is cheap,God is watching and they will pay heavy penalty for this.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
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		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.&quot;

An independent inquiry would help  identify the causes. It would help  rebut claims that the HINDRAF demonstrations, for example, were politically driven. It would help identify the anarchists be  they plainclothes policemen or gangster elements out to exploit the situation for themselves.  It would help confirm that innocent devotees were caught in the fray. Or if it was just an issue of law and order badly handled.

But charging devotees (if one is to assume the characterization here as being accurate) is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.&#8221;</p>
<p>An independent inquiry would help  identify the causes. It would help  rebut claims that the HINDRAF demonstrations, for example, were politically driven. It would help identify the anarchists be  they plainclothes policemen or gangster elements out to exploit the situation for themselves.  It would help confirm that innocent devotees were caught in the fray. Or if it was just an issue of law and order badly handled.</p>
<p>But charging devotees (if one is to assume the characterization here as being accurate) is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: teluyalam</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60262</link>
		<dc:creator>teluyalam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my thots on ethnic cleansing claim by Hindraf. there have been many spurious conversions of late, usually those who are less educated or in a deplorable condition or even in an incapacitated condition who seem to suffer this fate. for a poor family, say single mother with a number of children, if a welfare group comes acalling and says &quot;hey u n ur kids convert, jus change ur name in ur IC we will give u RM300 monthly&quot; u think she wont do it.. what more with free goodies for raya  n haji not to mention further help thru all kinds of agencies and gov linked charities. whose money? our taxes my fren. many in this country may consider conversion jus to help themselves out of a tight situation. others do it for &quot;love&quot;. LOL he/she loves u or he/she loves the fact that u r becoming muslim? first n foremost, each religious body is not doing enough for these people n the hindus r foremost (which could also be due to a large number of them being too poor to help themselves). I beg rich hindus to set-up a body to channel wealth and help to their poorer kin. i beg them to do it systematically and to preach about this great religion which is all about tolerance and humility. make each temple a focal point for the spread of good teaching and aid to the poor of any race or religion because for hindus &quot;every river leads to the same sea, every path to the same mountain&quot;. Use your vote, those u don&#039;t appreciate - kick out! 

University students need to unite and speak out for freedom to vote and to join or set-up societies or political parties. you guys have the brains.. i meant those who actually did well.. not some of those basket-cases that may not even have passed &quot;O&quot;level exams. come out of your shells. the gov is afraid of you which is why they have shut u down. do not be afraid. Dec 9 be there. this is not a hindu issue, or indian issue or a minority issue. this is about injustice. this is about an individual&#039;s rights and this is about our self-respect. 

The Malay culture is beautiful in its hospitality and gentleness. but power, religion and arrogance have led this good people to destruction. Malaysia will have a very violent future if these policies continue because even the chinese are finding themselves struggling. licenses and contracts are being given to those who have no merit. any business that a malay cannot do is &quot;haram&quot; or becoming so.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my thots on ethnic cleansing claim by Hindraf. there have been many spurious conversions of late, usually those who are less educated or in a deplorable condition or even in an incapacitated condition who seem to suffer this fate. for a poor family, say single mother with a number of children, if a welfare group comes acalling and says &#8220;hey u n ur kids convert, jus change ur name in ur IC we will give u RM300 monthly&#8221; u think she wont do it.. what more with free goodies for raya  n haji not to mention further help thru all kinds of agencies and gov linked charities. whose money? our taxes my fren. many in this country may consider conversion jus to help themselves out of a tight situation. others do it for &#8220;love&#8221;. LOL he/she loves u or he/she loves the fact that u r becoming muslim? first n foremost, each religious body is not doing enough for these people n the hindus r foremost (which could also be due to a large number of them being too poor to help themselves). I beg rich hindus to set-up a body to channel wealth and help to their poorer kin. i beg them to do it systematically and to preach about this great religion which is all about tolerance and humility. make each temple a focal point for the spread of good teaching and aid to the poor of any race or religion because for hindus &#8220;every river leads to the same sea, every path to the same mountain&#8221;. Use your vote, those u don&#8217;t appreciate &#8211; kick out! </p>
<p>University students need to unite and speak out for freedom to vote and to join or set-up societies or political parties. you guys have the brains.. i meant those who actually did well.. not some of those basket-cases that may not even have passed &#8220;O&#8221;level exams. come out of your shells. the gov is afraid of you which is why they have shut u down. do not be afraid. Dec 9 be there. this is not a hindu issue, or indian issue or a minority issue. this is about injustice. this is about an individual&#8217;s rights and this is about our self-respect. </p>
<p>The Malay culture is beautiful in its hospitality and gentleness. but power, religion and arrogance have led this good people to destruction. Malaysia will have a very violent future if these policies continue because even the chinese are finding themselves struggling. licenses and contracts are being given to those who have no merit. any business that a malay cannot do is &#8220;haram&#8221; or becoming so.</p>
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		<title>By: teluyalam</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60258</link>
		<dc:creator>teluyalam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lakshy, thats y i said 35%, the remainder 65% is of course the great people with the great religion who are chosen to lead us all to hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lakshy, thats y i said 35%, the remainder 65% is of course the great people with the great religion who are chosen to lead us all to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: lakshy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakshy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undergrad2: Please read the letter below before making further statements.

PRESS RELEASE :Inquiry needed into why innocent devotees affected by police action at Batu Caves Murugan Temple on Sunday, 25th November 2007 

The Malaysia Hindu Sangam calls for an urgent and independent inquiry into the events at Batu Caves in the early hours of Sunday, 25th November 2007. Many people have complained to the Sangam that they were caught up in police action against the HINDRAF Rally when all they were doing was attending a religious ceremony in the Batu Caves temple. 

Saturday night, 24th November 2007 was a special celebration for many Tamil Hindus. It was the night of Karthikai Deepam, a festival of lights of special significance to Tamils. Many celebrate it as a commemoration to Lord Arumugam, also known as Murugan or Karthikeyan, whose 6 faces were united by his mother Goddess Shakthi on the Karthikai Deepam day. Hence, devotees flock to the temples devoted to Lord Muruga that night and one such temple is of course the world famous Batu Caves temple in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. 

Many devotees, having celebrated the festival, were spending the night in the Temple grounds before leaving for home the next day. Imagine their shock when in the wee hours of the morning, they were greeted by tear gas and water cannon and by a massive police presence alleging they were involved in an illegal assembly.

An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.

Yours in service,


Datuk A Vaithilingam PJN, SSA, AMN, ASA, PJK
President
Malaysia Hindu Sangam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undergrad2: Please read the letter below before making further statements.</p>
<p>PRESS RELEASE :Inquiry needed into why innocent devotees affected by police action at Batu Caves Murugan Temple on Sunday, 25th November 2007 </p>
<p>The Malaysia Hindu Sangam calls for an urgent and independent inquiry into the events at Batu Caves in the early hours of Sunday, 25th November 2007. Many people have complained to the Sangam that they were caught up in police action against the HINDRAF Rally when all they were doing was attending a religious ceremony in the Batu Caves temple. </p>
<p>Saturday night, 24th November 2007 was a special celebration for many Tamil Hindus. It was the night of Karthikai Deepam, a festival of lights of special significance to Tamils. Many celebrate it as a commemoration to Lord Arumugam, also known as Murugan or Karthikeyan, whose 6 faces were united by his mother Goddess Shakthi on the Karthikai Deepam day. Hence, devotees flock to the temples devoted to Lord Muruga that night and one such temple is of course the world famous Batu Caves temple in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. </p>
<p>Many devotees, having celebrated the festival, were spending the night in the Temple grounds before leaving for home the next day. Imagine their shock when in the wee hours of the morning, they were greeted by tear gas and water cannon and by a massive police presence alleging they were involved in an illegal assembly.</p>
<p>An urgent and independent inquiry must immediately be done to investigate how innocent devotees gathered within a place of worship were subjected to tear gas and chemical laced water cannon. The Hindu Sangam also calls on the Public Prosecutor to withdraw all charges against the devotees at the temple. Gathering at a temple for a religious ceremony cannot be deemed an illegal assembly under any circumstances.</p>
<p>Yours in service,</p>
<p>Datuk A Vaithilingam PJN, SSA, AMN, ASA, PJK<br />
President<br />
Malaysia Hindu Sangam</p>
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		<title>By: lakshy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60249</link>
		<dc:creator>lakshy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS,

Undergrad2</description>
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<p>Undergrad2</p>
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		<title>By: Tai Lo Chin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60242</link>
		<dc:creator>Tai Lo Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it fairminded to say things like this of my name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it fairminded to say things like this of my name?</p>
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		<title>By: Tai Lo Chin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60240</link>
		<dc:creator>Tai Lo Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey, Tai Lo Chin, Colonel and probably Undergrad2 are one and the same person and going by your logic Limkamput, Earnest, Daphne and probably Lakshy are also one and same person, so it is only two persons are quarrelling in this blog. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey, Tai Lo Chin, Colonel and probably Undergrad2 are one and the same person and going by your logic Limkamput, Earnest, Daphne and probably Lakshy are also one and same person, so it is only two persons are quarrelling in this blog. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: DAPHNE</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60239</link>
		<dc:creator>DAPHNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tai Lo Chin means BIG CON-MAN or SWINDLER in Chinese. 

Hello, everybody, your attention please. Do not get con by such a person who has already revealed his real intention inadvertantly. His presence will defile this respectable space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tai Lo Chin means BIG CON-MAN or SWINDLER in Chinese. </p>
<p>Hello, everybody, your attention please. Do not get con by such a person who has already revealed his real intention inadvertantly. His presence will defile this respectable space.</p>
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		<title>By: DAPHNE</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60237</link>
		<dc:creator>DAPHNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tai Lo Chin,

I am a keen observer. Jeffrey, Tai Lo Chin, Colonel and probably Undergrad2 are one and the same person. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Tai Lo Chin is suspicious because he practises multiple-masquerades. Please do not question my faith. It is a sensitive issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tai Lo Chin,</p>
<p>I am a keen observer. Jeffrey, Tai Lo Chin, Colonel and probably Undergrad2 are one and the same person. Truth is stranger than fiction.</p>
<p>Tai Lo Chin is suspicious because he practises multiple-masquerades. Please do not question my faith. It is a sensitive issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Tai Lo Chin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60233</link>
		<dc:creator>Tai Lo Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, things are getting out of hands, suddenly unheard of new visitors in this blog emerging out of nothingness, one after another, self proclaiming to be reading and not writing in this blog unless when fair minded duty requires to support another relatively newcomer that is not known to him, and quoting religious credentials to support all claims, yea, things are getting stranger and stranger in this blog, I would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, things are getting out of hands, suddenly unheard of new visitors in this blog emerging out of nothingness, one after another, self proclaiming to be reading and not writing in this blog unless when fair minded duty requires to support another relatively newcomer that is not known to him, and quoting religious credentials to support all claims, yea, things are getting stranger and stranger in this blog, I would say.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60223</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why &quot;they&quot; will not prosecute anyone under the Sedition Act unless it is an isolated and clear-cut incident.  They can charge us with unlawful assembly, but the courts will probably impose a small fine if you plead guilty.  If you plead not guilty, the court will let you go on a small bail amount, and you can spend years waiting for your chance to be heard in open court.

They may detain us under the ISA, but this would merely inflame the silent majority, and would inevitably bring international fame to Bolehland, something which they will try to avoid, particularly as several bilateral treaties are still unsigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why &#8220;they&#8221; will not prosecute anyone under the Sedition Act unless it is an isolated and clear-cut incident.  They can charge us with unlawful assembly, but the courts will probably impose a small fine if you plead guilty.  If you plead not guilty, the court will let you go on a small bail amount, and you can spend years waiting for your chance to be heard in open court.</p>
<p>They may detain us under the ISA, but this would merely inflame the silent majority, and would inevitably bring international fame to Bolehland, something which they will try to avoid, particularly as several bilateral treaties are still unsigned.</p>
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		<title>By: DAPHNE</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60216</link>
		<dc:creator>DAPHNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of double standards here now. Some high-priest of civility is practising selective prosecution. Others can not disparage the messengers, his accomplices can, and with impunity. I have been an observer, reading and not writing.  But I think things are getting out of hands now, and I need to give them a piece of my mind. It is my social and moral responsibility to do so.

I do not know who EARNEST is, but I support him. I am a fair minded individual with a strong Catholic background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of double standards here now. Some high-priest of civility is practising selective prosecution. Others can not disparage the messengers, his accomplices can, and with impunity. I have been an observer, reading and not writing.  But I think things are getting out of hands now, and I need to give them a piece of my mind. It is my social and moral responsibility to do so.</p>
<p>I do not know who EARNEST is, but I support him. I am a fair minded individual with a strong Catholic background.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/02/are-we-not-indian-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-60213</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back EARNEST - since when have you been a cross-dresser??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back EARNEST &#8211; since when have you been a cross-dresser??</p>
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