Comments on: Indians on the march, ignore at own peril http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/ for Malaysia Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:57:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: ktteokt http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-60021 ktteokt Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:12:13 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-60021 The way things are going, not only Indians are going on the march but the whole of the nation's citizens who have been deprived will join the march. Things have gotten far enough. The PM said he will be fair, so how can you be fair if the NEP is maintained? This is equivalent to treating Malaysians as NUTS!!!! The way things are going, not only Indians are going on the march but the whole of the nation’s citizens who have been deprived will join the march. Things have gotten far enough. The PM said he will be fair, so how can you be fair if the NEP is maintained? This is equivalent to treating Malaysians as NUTS!!!!

]]> By: DiaperHead http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59962 DiaperHead Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:56:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59962 Where these Injuns marching? I thought Custer took care of it a long time ago. Where these Injuns marching? I thought Custer took care of it a long time ago.

]]> By: wits0 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59927 wits0 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:25:45 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59927 Bolehland lost it's stealth mode in internal affairs with the recent events. (High time too!) There seems little chance of staying below the International radar screen henceforth. Bolehland lost it’s stealth mode in internal affairs with the recent events. (High time too!) There seems little chance of staying below the International radar screen henceforth.

]]> By: DarkHorse http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59921 DarkHorse Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:08:18 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59921 Good to know Lee is back! Good to know Lee is back!

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59903 undergrad2 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:30:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59903 To revisit the issue of whether the HINDRAF (or BERSIH) demonstrations are legal or not legal, lawful or unlawful, without the police permit as required under the Police Act, here is EARNEST's view on the issue: "Since the Constitution by Article 10(2) permits Parliament to enact laws like the Police Act to restrict Freedom of Assembly based on considerations of public security and order, the Police Act becomes perfectly and legally valid – unfaultable for its restricting of free exercise of the right of assembly under article 10(1)(b), such restriction not being in contravention of the Constitutional provision under Article 10(1)(b) on Freedom of Assembly. I cannot make it any clearer to you. If the Police Act is valid and unimpugnable by the Constitution, then the Bersig/Hindraf Rallies without a permit from it are illegal or unlawful." I would like to put these questions to EARNEST which require a "Yes" or "No" answer: Q1. Should you organize a public demonstration tomorrow without the police permit as called for under the Police Act, would not the demonstration then be illegal. Q2. Should it be illegal since it is without a police permit, would you go ahead with it in any case? Q3. Would that not make your action unlawful? Q4. Could you then be arrested for breaking the law? Q5. Would your act of going ahead with the demonstration be wrong because it is illegal and the action unlawful? (NOTE: If your answer to all the above is “Yes” then there is no issue). If your answer to Q5 is "No" then Q6. Would your act then be right because conscience requires that you break the law for a greater good? Here I would like to quote what our PhD student Lee Wang Yen from the world’s second ranking university i.e. University of Cambridge has had to say earlier: “For those who have weighed the good that can come out of this illegal gathering against the potential damages and injuries and found that on balance the illegal gathering is still a greater good, they will and should support the gathering….” To revisit the issue of whether the HINDRAF (or BERSIH) demonstrations are legal or not legal, lawful or unlawful, without the police permit as required under the Police Act, here is EARNEST’s view on the issue:

“Since the Constitution by Article 10(2) permits Parliament to enact laws like the Police Act to restrict Freedom of Assembly based on considerations of public security and order, the Police Act becomes perfectly and legally valid – unfaultable for its restricting of free exercise of the right of assembly under article 10(1)(b), such restriction not being in contravention of the Constitutional provision under Article 10(1)(b) on Freedom of Assembly. I cannot make it any clearer to you. If the Police Act is valid and unimpugnable by the Constitution, then the Bersig/Hindraf Rallies without a permit from it are illegal or unlawful.”

I would like to put these questions to EARNEST which require a “Yes” or “No” answer:

Q1. Should you organize a public demonstration tomorrow without the police permit as called for under the Police Act, would not the demonstration then be illegal.

Q2. Should it be illegal since it is without a police permit, would you go ahead with it in any case?

Q3. Would that not make your action unlawful?

Q4. Could you then be arrested for breaking the law?

Q5. Would your act of going ahead with the demonstration be wrong because it is illegal and the action unlawful?

(NOTE: If your answer to all the above is “Yes” then there is no issue).

If your answer to Q5 is “No” then

Q6. Would your act then be right because conscience requires that you break the law for a greater good?

Here I would like to quote what our PhD student Lee Wang Yen from the world’s second ranking university i.e. University of Cambridge has had to say earlier:

“For those who have weighed the good that can come out of this illegal gathering against the potential damages and injuries and found that on balance the illegal gathering is still a greater good, they will and should support the gathering….”

]]> By: chgchksg128 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59893 chgchksg128 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:38:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59893 Read what Bangkok Post columnist said of the Hindraf and racial discord in Malaysia. http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com Read what Bangkok Post columnist said of the Hindraf and racial discord in Malaysia.
http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com

]]> By: Cinnamon http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59881 Cinnamon Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:08:07 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59881 Let's get it straight. The crowd at KLCC was around 50,000. That is despite a large number were stopped from coming, example there were a few thousand locked at Batu Caves Temple. Let’s get it straight. The crowd at KLCC was around 50,000. That is despite a large number were stopped from coming, example there were a few thousand locked at Batu Caves Temple.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59868 undergrad2 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:14:26 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59868 "...but only pleading that the Article 153 not be used to isolate the non-bumis from Economy, Education, Medical, Loan procurement, Vocational Trainings, Religions and Beliefs etc." cheeran70 Taking this approach would remove the emotional element and make Malays more comfortable and not feel insecure about their own future. It becomes less confrontational and the game moves away from that zero-sum game that is being played again and again by leaders who only care for their immediate political future rather than the interest of the nation they now lead. “…but only pleading that the Article 153 not be used to isolate the non-bumis from Economy, Education, Medical, Loan procurement, Vocational Trainings, Religions and Beliefs etc.” cheeran70

Taking this approach would remove the emotional element and make Malays more comfortable and not feel insecure about their own future. It becomes less confrontational and the game moves away from that zero-sum game that is being played again and again by leaders who only care for their immediate political future rather than the interest of the nation they now lead.

]]> By: undergrad2 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59854 undergrad2 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:01:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/01/indians-on-the-march-ignore-at-own-peril/#comment-59854 You won't see this among say Mexicans demonstrating in the streets of Los Angeles "Mexicans on the March. Ignore at your Peril" You won’t see this among say Mexicans demonstrating in the streets of Los Angeles “Mexicans on the March. Ignore at your Peril”

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