Letters
by C H Tan
Can you also address the brain drain within the accounting profession?
We witness in recent years unprecedented outflow of qualified accountants to cities such as New York, Hong Kong, London, Shanghai, San Francisco, etc. This has exarcebated the already-bad-enough exodus across the Causeway. My take is that the main pull factor is the remuneration within the profession in these cities, but I can’t help to think that these opportunities to venture abroad and leave Malaysia (plus the NEP of course) are too good to turn down.
I know most of these beancounters, myself included, have to foresake family and friends in Malaysia for a better career prospect, not only for themselves, but for their children, and children’s children.
Personally, I have lived through the system myself. STPM, fighting for a place in the accounting faculty in University of Malaya, racial polarisation in residential colleges, etc. I have witnessed that at least a good 50% of my fellow coursemates who have packed their backs and moved abroad for a better pay package and hopefully a better quality of life too.
Nonetheless, there is a general consensus amongst us that we still long for a place call home. Being born and bred this country, there is no other cities and country closer to our hearts than our respective hometowns and Malaysia herself.
I will honestly think twice before making a move back when the time comes. This begs the question – what is in store back home? Putting my hand on heart, besides family and childhood friends (friends of all races, contrary to the situation in national schools these days), I can’t see myself calling it a day out here and move back.
There are lots of niggling worries and dilemma that I foresee and fear. Religious freedom. Meritocracy and the ability to compete on equal terms regardless of race. Barbaric politicians overzealously playing the racial cards in the house of parliament with no consideration for long-term nation building. To name a few.
Ultimately, my quandary is simple – finding a place to call home for Malaysians of all races. The only place that I have lived long enough and come to know is Malaysia. Sadly, even at this moment as I am reflecting on the current situation back home, I can’t bring myself to tell the world that I am Malaysian and be truly proud of it.
#1 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 7:37 am
Do you think you would fit into the category of non-citizens with “extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts and education, business or athletics”, are professors or researchers recognized internationally as outstanding in a specific academic area, or are managers and executives in multinational corporations?
If you do please contact Jeffrey who then will contact me. My fee is US$3k only.
#2 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 7:38 am
P.S.
The above does not include the cost of Jeffrey’s services.
#3 by Libra2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 8:22 am
Wow, that’s good news for UMNO. They will jump in glee that you fellows are leaving the country so that they have the whole country to themselves – of course with all the dry oil wells and empty government coffers and increasing crime rate.
They can have Malay Dominance, NEP and an Islamic State and the entire Executive to themselves and remain a third world country till eternity.
And sent a second space traveller to Mars to boot.
#4 by K S Ong on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 8:35 am
Accountants literate in Chinese are in huge demand in booming China. I remember having read about 2 professional accountants with booming business there.
Logically, companies having businesses in China are likely to send their Chinese literate accountants to oversea their operations. Those not literate in Chinese are likely to be across the causeway in Singapore and many in UK and Australia. The resulting vacuum cannot be underestimated but can only be felt in terms of overworked staff and poor quality of work.
My sister’s son is now working in Shanghai for a Malaysian Plc. His wife is working in KL. Recently, his house was burgled even though it was a gated housing scheme. He was lucky the burglar came through the bathroom window and left through it without waking up the occupants who included his wife and their two toddlers, his father and a Filipino maid.
I have come to the conclusion that generally, if our children are now working overseas and if they found the conditions suitable, then migration should be considered. It may seem defeatist but I have thought about our grandparents who came from China and stayed here. Perhaps it is time to move on. Being a father, do you think I like the idea of being separated from my children?
#5 by sotong on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 8:50 am
There is no stopping this brain drain of our country’s most important resources – INDIVIDUALS with plenty of energy, skills, knowledge and experience.
For decades nothing is done to capitalise on these energy and resources to build a strong and competitive economy to create real, permanent, satisfying and rewarding jobs for our people.
#6 by Jimm on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 8:57 am
It’s in the government plan to ‘minus out’ those brains from their system as they can only be mighty hwne those less ‘adventure’ Malaysian that depending on government to feed.
Myself, was one of those in the late 70s that went through the cleansing program too. Being a top student for the school, I did not passed my SPM due to BM and my headmistress were truly shocked that I failed my BM paper back then. Why ? Because I was the secondth highest scorer for BM papers through out my school terms even when I recalled back my questions for that year, I knew I should have passed with A2. However, we all knew the policy back then and I did resit again just to get P7.
Actually, I was truly sadden back then and went abroad to further studies. Come to think of it, it’s a blessing to as I have seen more than those friends of mine that stay back and get ‘groomed’ by our government system.
Most of them are with the government bodies holding quite high post and earning enough, however, they still contended to things given or provided by government.
Me, today … nothing changes as what I experienced in the 70s are still widely ‘seen’ in todays context.
This world is big enough for everyone.
This country will withstand all challenges thrown to her and she will protect her people all the way.
What the UMNO have been doing for those ‘unfortunate’ Malaysian are actually bringing all these Malaysian together in one mind and soul to keep the country ‘alive’ eventhough they are living elsewhere around the globe.
What I like about UMNO today are their own ‘evil’ workings of the past are beginning to chew them up pieces by pieces daily. They have entirely no values or morale standings to pass on to their next generations. Their so-called leaders are actually breed from another race that happens to donned their names to be as Ketuanan. These leaders have hidden objectives that are reaping off the Ketuanan wealth without anyone from the Ketuanan realizing their means.
We all come to this earth without anything and will leave the same way too.
#7 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 8:57 am
Does anyone think they really care about losing accountants in this country? My due respect to the profession and the hard work they put in, its nonsense to think they would really care about bean counters when they do not care to count the beans correctly in the first place.
Sometimes non-bumi in this country deserve to be kicked in the ass for being apathetic and self-import.
Those who still live with the illusion that most bumis in this country feel strongly for a larger interest than themselves are idiots. This country is fragmented period. Its covered up, but its fragmented. Not only is ‘the other race’ strangers to us, the next door neigbour and even our relatives are strangers to us.
Its fine for those who want to stay and fight for what is right but if you don’t want to fight and self-interest is mostly what you are which most of us are, then its nonsense to talk about not leaving for sentimental reason.
I am willing to bet if you make a poll of non-bumis making less than 5000 RM per month if they would leave if offered, at least 80% would (20% is mostly confused about other priorities and not because they don’t want to).
#8 by pulau_sibu on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:16 am
Brain drain? no. The politicians do not want to drain out. They love the boleh political system and we can attract them to overstay
#9 by oknyua on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:28 am
Mr Tan, I don’t know what your age is. My experience in banking and investment banking revealed a rather imited market in Malaysia, or otherwise, the fees are ridiculous (remember the Transmile case?).
We are getting global, so by all means go somewhere. Unfortunately I think UK isn’t a place to practice. Just next door to me is a London-qualfied ACCA who had spent 15 years there. Discriminantion against non-white, there is, except it is not a legislature. By the way, that’s the advice I give to my children.
#10 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:31 am
“..//..The above does not include the cost of Jeffrey’s services…//..†– Undergrad2
I’ll charge for services including advice on how to emulate some accountants doing very well in Malaysia that I know. Let me see. Don’t talk about those in big five. (Partners who retired even from Arthur Andersen brought down by Enron had handsome paid offs).
But the ones who made plenty of money are in the corporations, listed companies and even merchant banks. One successful investment/merchant I know pays as much as 15 months – 20 months bonus to your finance/accounting trained executives. Another one made RM15 million at age of 28 and never worked since then. (He was privy to knowledge about some big injection of asset into a distressed company. He bought many shares from the tired shareholders at 20 sen. When the injection of asset was completed, company was floated on main board KLSE he sold the shares of RM2-00 a piece).
Then of course there are others downright unethical with no corporate governance : they not only get kickbacks from deals made with their companies in which they hold senior position, they even manipulated accounts and did creative accounting, gloss over fictitious invoices, created false turn over to shore the financial position of companies to bull shit fund managers and investors/placees and if fund (read fun managers) are not giving a god write up on their company’s shares, take them all expense paid trip to visit plants and subsidiaries from China to Uzbekistan with women thrown in as part of package. Of course some got caught and charged by Securities Commission and the majority (over 95%) never got caught but got rich, able to send the children to Down Under to study and stay in properties purchased by them (taking money out is to hedge sovereign risks here). This is not counting accountants who are advisors, partners and share proxies of politicians who need help in advice, and someone to hold their shares as proxy, to do calculations (projections and cash flow forecast for them, to interface with banks, regulatory authorities fund managers merchant banks and stock brokers in respect of their (politicians’) multi million privatized and concessionaire contracts farmed out to them for their political loyalties and support. They are all doing extremely well, and they are appointing their own tiers of proxies (accountants lawyers whatever) to do their dirty and dangerous work (for politicians) just in case regulatory authorities catch up. Look at how many people at the helm of our corporations, listed or not listed, making lots of money or losses that are managed and controlled at the top by accountants! Even if their companies are making losses, they are personally rich from plundering these companies.
Yesserie, most accountants I know are rich – those struggling are small accounting firms with services on tax submissions. All are however railing against the BN government and its shortcomings but that does not stop them from feathering their bountiful nests here. :)
#11 by megaman on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:47 am
Hi oknyua,
Discrimination is everywhere … in every country, developed or undeveloped or developing …
But I think what saddens most non-bumis especially the professionals is that as citizens we are discriminated against on own soil.
Makes more sense to be discriminated as a foreigner in a foreign country in order to earn more than to be treated as second-class citizen in your own.
Just my two cents.
#12 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:56 am
What megaman says is true. Although non-bumis are angry being discriminated against inb own country, many have also work around the system and benefited substantially from it (as I pointed out in my post not yet appearing at this moment here).
#13 by Daniel Quah on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 9:58 am
Brain Drain for non-Bumi…? yeah.. like what my lecturer always told me..if u are a boss will u hire a person that have more intelligent than you? the answer is NO..cause in future he may step over you and he become your boss instead..so UMNO is fil half-past six, if u act stupid..u may survive…if u act smart…KELUAR DARI MALAYSIA!!
#14 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:00 am
Brain drain – Why people still insist to use this term puzzles me, because drain to who or which party? – or movement of people in this globalized world is a common phenomenon. In fact, the entire human race and civilizatin has been based on human mobility.
“Go West!” or “Go to Nanyang!”
Thanks to the NEP in Malaysia, countless non-Malay families are under pressure to adapt and survive, a key feature in evolution, otherwise non-Malays too will be happily sitting under durian trees and waiting for the fruits to drop down, makan angin and makan free food.
It’s a good thing that people who have skills and knowledge, whether accountancy or any other discipline, should explore opportunities outside Malaysia to gain better employments and living and working conditions. It’s nothing wrong and not antinational to do so, especially if you want to be a high net worth person.
The nation as we know has certainly changed compared to what it was in 1957. Many things have changed and they all ensure that the nation is and will be firmly under the rule of Umno, that represents certain percentage of Malays.
Yes, some non-Malays and Malays want to change the political scenario for the better. However, this effort is realistically, at best, just a dream and they can continue to dream the impossible dream.
All of us here on this blog are just making some inconsequential comments, that hardly touched the lives of 100 or 1000 voters.
We owe it to ourselves and our children and our children’s children to follow waht Mr Fagin (Oliver!) said: “I’m reviewing the situation.”
#15 by Filibuster on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:08 am
boh-liao Says:
“Brain drain – Why people still insist to use this term puzzles me, because drain to who or which party? – or movement of people in this globalized world is a common phenomenon. In fact, the entire human race and civilizatin has been based on human mobility.”
I’d think that brain drain is used in the context of a country – wouldn’t migration of talent to other countries be a “negative” (drain) to the country’s talent (brain) pool? You are right in the fact that we are based on mobility – eventually we want to be in the best position for success.
#16 by lupus on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:19 am
I seen a few GLC around that just when next door to hire more engineerings and beancounters to fill in those empty positions. It a way to get rid of certain types of people and replacing them with another type.
#17 by toyolbuster on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:24 am
This is exactly what UMNO had hoped for and worked for. To rid of all non-malays intellectuals so that they “tidak akan dicabar”. For “brains” to manage the country, they can always hire foreign expertise who are most willing to come. With such arrangement, they can control the inflow and outflow of such hired help, as and when they wish for. Thats what they have learned from Singapore. Mentor Lee does not have any challengers anymore. All have been TERMINATED, and non will BE BACK. Also same dirty tactics as practised by many employers, so-called constructive dismissal. They do wish that you get out cos they don’t want your votes.
#18 by oknyua on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:28 am
You are right, megaman.
#19 by oknyua on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:32 am
Megaman, my wife (gov’t servant) had just returned from Singapore. Helping her was a Singaporean Malay. My wife asked “How is it like being a Malay in Singapore?”
His answer: “How is like being a non-Malay in Malaysia?”
#20 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:35 am
For those who find it too difficult to cut ties to Malaysia, Singapore offers a good choice.
Work in Singapore, earn big bucks as accountants but make sure you return to vote.
Last weekend I attended a wedding of a family friend from Ipoh. Of his 7 children, 6 were in Singapore.
Like me, the family considers being a global citizen is nothing exceptional. I think one should not agonise too much about coming or going as far as Malaysia is concerned.
#21 by lbn on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 10:46 am
Think clearly. Think rationally! A Country and A Government are 2 different entities. To many of us who are here for many generations, Malaysia is our HOME. We have to stake our rights. Don’t let anyone drive you away from your home. And don’t just give it away just like that. Just because we don’t like the government, is that a reason we should give up our home! The likes of them would wish just that. Don’t fall into their trap.
Make the best use of our rights to vote!
#22 by ngahc on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 11:04 am
Yes, a lot of highly successful Malaysians feel very insecure in this country. They feel like being marginalised as pointed out by LKY. However, we must respect those who stayed back in this country to fight for a better future for their children. Uncle LKS is one of the Malaysians who fight for a better Malaysia. I do hope that we have more professional stay back and fight for our rights.
High skills individual is in great demand in many countries and highly mobilised as well. They can go anywhere they want. For the majority who are unskilled and non-professional, they are not so mobilise and have no choice but to stay in this country. This group of non-professional will be the one who suffer if no quality leaders fight for their rights.
#23 by sani on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 11:48 am
Yes, discrimination is every where. But do differential between disriminating people to people + institutionalizing the act. The 1st catagory is like a football match + majority of the crowd don’t like you. The second kind is like you are not allow to score goals.
Like i said, discrimination is every where. But Singaporean Malays are the most progressive Malays in the world. They had a Head of state whom is a Malay. Do we?
Like Lee Kuan Yew once said, “Crawl all you like, get out of the way, the rest need to run”. Singaporean Malays prove to the world that, given the motivation, Malays can be as industrial as any one in the world. In Malaysia it is the opposite.
#24 by Godfather on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 11:54 am
Why do most people reading this blog think that the brain drain of accountants is a big issue ? It is not a big issue for UMNO, which then translates into a small issue for MCA and MIC.
Go and earn your living where there is meritocracy. Go to Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Australia and make a living. You are the lucky ones where there are plenty of options available. Think about those with little or no option to go elsewhere. These are the people who have, or will need to, learn to work around the NEP system.
#25 by k1980 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 11:56 am
Has umno decided to act according to Fagin the Jew’s song? :-
In this life, one thing counts
In the bank, large amounts
I’m afraid these don’t grow on trees,
You’ve got to pick-a-pocket or two
You’ve got to pick-a-pocket or two, boys,
You’ve got to pick-a-pocket or two.
#26 by Zeebra on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 12:05 pm
Are you guys sure. If all the good accountants is still in the country…… how is the govt going to “HIDE” all their expenses???
It is a blessing that there isn’t much good accountant in the country that they can pocket all the millions and billions…..
#27 by Traveller on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 12:06 pm
“If you do please contact Jeffrey who then will contact me. My fee is US$3k only.” – undergrad2
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Are you serious? So, you are an immigration lawyer? Are you trying to get this guy a green card under the national interest waiver category? Ha. Ha. Hey, some lawyers charge US$5K. Is that what this guy’s problem is? That he cannot get a green card?
#28 by sotong on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 12:27 pm
Institutionalized discrimination is most destructive and damaging to the country…….an individual would feel the whole government and their policies are formulated against you.
#29 by liangyuh on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 12:31 pm
I am studying for my BS in engineering at the University of Malaya. I am 21 years old. I would like to immigrate to the United States. Does anybody know whether it’s difficult for me to immigrate to the US? I am a girlfriend who is studying to be a chemist at Universiti Sains Malaysia. She will be getting her BS in 2008. We plan to get married next week. I would think that the US would welcome two educated people wholeheartedly. Please let me know. Thank you very much.
#30 by Traveller on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 1:00 pm
liangyuh, look at the topmost comment by undergrad2.
#31 by passerby on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 1:19 pm
I don’t believe any amount of yelling and howling will make the government to change. The only way you can make them to change is to deny them the means which they are using to fund the nep.
The umno knew that as long as there are free money in the system to pay for the nep, why should they care and change? This is not their money; there are all yours. The most ridiculous part is that we are giving all our hard earned money willingly to them to kick our asses and all we did is just whining and posting protest letters on the net!
Fortunately, there is something which all of you can do without risking yourself or your family is to move whatever money you have overseas or buying overseas shares. By denying them the money, we will see how long they can finance the nep?
The fun will begin once the pipe runs dry. Let them run all over the place to raise money to pay to the mara scholars and other creditors like they did before. If you haven’t been in a company on the verge of going under, you will never know the strain and pressure the owner is undergoing. It is not funny owning a company with creditors on your back all the time.
I say let them have the fun and move all our hard earned money out!
#32 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 1:29 pm
liangyuh – What kind of degree is BS in engineering at UM? Are you bull-shitting us? Doesn’t UM award BE for engineering grads? Furthermore, “I am a girlfriend who is ……”!?
Like this how to go to the US?
#33 by tsn on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 1:39 pm
So far I know the processing of US green card is only up to applications lodged before 2004, unless you are an applicant with specialty such as Angelina Jolin or lprospective Nobel prize winners, you are highly unlikely to get one.
A reliable migration lawyer in Sri Hartamas, K.L only charges RM7-8K, unfortunately not to Uncle Samuel’s home, but to Uncle Sam’s deputy sheriff-Down under.
#34 by shiver on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 1:56 pm
liangyuh Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 12: 31.27
I am studying for my BS in engineering at the University of Malaya
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hey liangyuh, couldnt help to laugh when i saw that. you know lah, since the drop in our local university standards… just wanna ask.
you studying@UM meaning BS is for bachelor of science or bullshit?
;)
#35 by lupus on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 2:00 pm
To liangyuh,
Forget about the US green card system, it is not that easy and the working visa has a limit as to how many per year is allowed.
If you want to go to Uncle Sam deputy sheiff-Downunder, do it yourself to avoid the lawyer fee as there is a fee that Downunder charges, similar to Canada and both places are not cheap.
Again, it a case by case situation. If you are wanting more advice, just ask – in my case, I do not charge.
#36 by Traveller on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 2:00 pm
“I am studying for my BS in engineering at the University of Malaya. I am 21 years old. I would like to immigrate to the United States. Does anybody know whether it’s difficult for me to immigrate to the US?” – liangyuh
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liangyuh, you should go to this link at Tony Pua/Kian Ming’s blog and read the exchange between a SPM student and Anonymous of 5/11/2007 03:55:00 AM. (http://educationmalaysia.blogspot.com/2006/05/utar-too-fast-too-soon.html) where he explained how to do it by doing gradute study first in the U.S. That is one of the easiest routes and provided you are a good student. You can post more questions there and that Anon may reply.
If you read the comment by undergrad2 above, you find that it is almost impossible with a B.S. degree.
#37 by Godfather on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 2:22 pm
BS in Engineering and BS in Chemistry…hmmmm….the degrees that are on offer are indeed strange nowadays.
#38 by sotong on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 3:14 pm
Countries like China and India are exporting a lot of their professionals overseas, including Accountant.
Competition for a place in developed countries is very strong…some might not settle comfortably in the new environment.
#39 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 3:48 pm
Liangyuh, you and your girlfriend’s degree would not take you very far in the U.S. as far as I can tell. It is only a BACHELOR’s degree.
In the US, most professional degrees are obtained at POSTGRADUATE level i.e. Master’s level. And subsequent to that there may be professional entrance examinations as well before you can practice. Consequently, you might have to study for a bit more when you get to the land of the Jolly Green Giant.
You might have further problems if your studies locally were taken in Bahasa and not English. Also don’t forget the lower ranked and unfamiliar Malaysian degrees.
However, if you both are at the top of your classes and have a 3.5 or better CGPA, you might, just might attract some interested employers who might train you up.
So expect more work ahead for the both of you. Your journey has just started.
If your Ah Kong and/or Ah Ma has got plenty of money, why don’t you enrol for the MBA for Engineers conducted by the University of Manchester in Sunway? It will stand you in good stead before you go overseas. Cost about RM 70k or so I think. (P/s I don’t get any commission for intros.)
As for the outflow of Accountants, many Malaysian U’s are churning out “Accountants” degree holders who are fully recognised by the Malaysian Institute of Accountants (MIA). These are more for the local market as their degrees are not fully recognised overseas, only fully recognised in Malaysia. Sad to say from my experience, many of these “Accounting graduates” are below par but hey, Bolehland recognises them. It is those who have internationally recognised accounting qualifications that are making their move. Some not fully qualified are however moonlighting as qualified Accountants overseas as they are employed by Malaysian companies.
#40 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 4:02 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
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Another one made RM15 million at age of 28 and never worked since then. (He was privy to knowledge about some big injection of asset into a distressed company. He bought many shares from the tired shareholders at 20 sen. When the injection of asset was completed, company was floated on main board KLSE he sold the shares of RM2-00 a piece). ”
This is a case of insider trading, conflict of interest, using priviledged information, fraud, breach of fiduciary duties, breach of professional practice and ethics, corrupt practices etc etc. and should be reported to the authorities (BNM, SC, Bursa, ACA, Money Laundering) for investigation.
Do the needful.
But then, it is common in Bolehland. Also, no one will report this as too “leceh”, “don’t want to get involved”, “no Whistleblower’s Protection Act” and so on.
#41 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 4:24 pm
“BS in Engineering and BS in Chemistry…hmmmm….the degrees that are on offer are indeed strange nowadays”
Not so strange nowadays.
I did a B Sc in Mech Eng in the United Kingdom in 1967.
#42 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 4:33 pm
“Are you serious? So, you are an immigration lawyer? Are you trying to get this guy a green card under the national interest waiver category? Ha. Ha. Hey, some lawyers charge US$5K. Is that what this guy’s problem is? That he cannot get a green card?”
Traveller, right now I work for an Immigration lawyer. Soon I’ll be one. Now I’m charging only $1k and that too in the course of carrying out “an unauthorized legal practice” (for which I would be prosecuted if Jeffrey here were to report me).
It looks like you are familiar with the fees attorneys here charge. Yes, immigration appeal attorneys charge US$5k for doing the same work as trial attorneys do per (immigration) case. They charge an additional $500 for every additional court appearance.
There is nothing like the ‘scale fees’ that lawyers need to adhere to as in Malaysia. This is the ‘land of the free’ – remember? Not that attorneys’ services are free but they are free to charge you anything they want as much as you are free to pay.
The same goes for accountants.
But what guy are you talking about??
#43 by oknyua on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 4:43 pm
Hey guys, leave “liangyuh” alone lah… Cheer up liangyuh, young man. I graduated from the same place too, some 20 years ago. Doing your masters in the US is probably the best short cut. (I need to brush up my English too, you know)
#44 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 4:49 pm
Thanks for the free referral, Traveller!
Liangyu, “I am studying for my BS in engineering at the University of Malaya. I am 21 years old. I would like to immigrate to the United States.”
You must learn never to put anything like BS after your name because it could stand for “bull shit” and you don’t want that!
Sorry. Liangyu. You do not qualify under the category I mentioned i.e. ““extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts and education, business or athleticsâ€Â. That is the short answer.
But there are other ways to qualify to come to the United States. Being a mass murderer is not one of them.
The shortest way?? For you the shortest way is to forget your girlfriend and find a new one (a U.S. citizen) when you arrive and then get married to her before your tourist or student visa expires. You’ll have a hard time to prove that your marriage is a bona fide one and not a sham marriage – but at least you are qualified to try!
There you go! Let me know your address so Jeffrey/Traveller could forward my bill to you.
#45 by shaolin on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:08 pm
To Libra2,
Totally agree to your comments.
So what should all the Non Malays do?!
1. To migrate and stay oversea, come back once awhile
2. To work in Singapore, China …etc and have base/home
in Malaysia
3. To compromise and be immuned to the Unfair outcry of
NEP treatment towards Non Malays??
4. 1 of The UMNO Annual Meeting Agendas is to create The
Exodus of All Professional Non Malays so that The Malays
can take up all the Top seats of Every Organization
5. Please read the latest edition of Dr. Koh Ka Soon -
‘Uncode/Secret of May 13 Massacre, 1969′
#46 by Godfather on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:18 pm
HJ Angus:
I respectfully submit that B Sc and BS are two different things.
#47 by MST on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:26 pm
Liangyu, its easier to come to Australia. Oz is looking for skill migrants. The pay for a fresh graduate is at least A$50K per year- 50K to 70K. Most student apply for PR after completing their study in Oz Us here. You can apply for 457 VISA (under skill migration). Oz is much better than UK or US because its safer and closer to Malaysia.I have live and worked in all the countries mention. Go the to your local Australian embassy for more info. Good luck.
#48 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:29 pm
Marriage to a U.S. citizen is the shortest way to qualify for a green card (another term for LPR or legal permanent resident). You then have to wait for 3 years instead of the usual 5 years needed to qualify for U.S. citizenship through naturalization.
#49 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:34 pm
Yes, MST is right about Australia. Given the choice I prefer to be in Perth, Australia with an apartment overlooking the Swan River – only a four hour flight back to KL.
Perth is the same size as Penang and has a Mediterranean climate. What more can anybody ask for? Then there is the famous Nasi Kandar restaurant should you miss Malaysian cuisine.
#50 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 20 November 2007 - 5:39 pm
US of A can be nice if you stay out of the nasty zones in some cities.
My wife and I were on a trip in LA and we were told not to go to certain areas but I can’t remember which.
We didn’t go there but we went to a Burger King in another area. The moment we walked in, it didn’t seem right. The food counter was fenced off from the customers and you would be served from behind bars.
We didn’t order but made a quick retreat after going to the toilets.