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		<title>By: lupus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56846</link>
		<dc:creator>lupus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police state - it means that if you do not agree with the Govt of the day, they will drag you away for reeducation - ie brainwashing.  It means that you have no free will.  Why does Malaysia need that ?  Are we no different from the KGB during those day year of visiting you at night and dragging away for reeducation at the holiday camp at Siberia ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police state &#8211; it means that if you do not agree with the Govt of the day, they will drag you away for reeducation &#8211; ie brainwashing.  It means that you have no free will.  Why does Malaysia need that ?  Are we no different from the KGB during those day year of visiting you at night and dragging away for reeducation at the holiday camp at Siberia ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56640</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes &quot;double standards&quot; which really discounts the moral cogency with which the government could urge the people to respect public order and not take to the streets and its decision not to issue police permit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8220;double standards&#8221; which really discounts the moral cogency with which the government could urge the people to respect public order and not take to the streets and its decision not to issue police permit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56600</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The emasculation of the judiciary, the tighter and tighter controls on the press, the depoliticisation of the universities (and the educational system in general)...&quot; Faris A. Noor

&quot;Depoliticization&quot; of  education and educational system? Shouldn&#039;t it be &quot;politicization&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The emasculation of the judiciary, the tighter and tighter controls on the press, the depoliticisation of the universities (and the educational system in general)&#8230;&#8221; Faris A. Noor</p>
<p>&#8220;Depoliticization&#8221; of  education and educational system? Shouldn&#8217;t it be &#8220;politicization&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56599</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Khairy Jamaluddin, could organize a (public) demonstration ....demanding United States Secretary of State  Rice to get out of Malaysia because Ã¢â‚¬Å“you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and LebaneseÃ¢â‚¬Â, why couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the rest of us, in Bersih? A case of Kettle calling the Pot black!&quot; Jeffrey

Nope. Just a case of double standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Khairy Jamaluddin, could organize a (public) demonstration &#8230;.demanding United States Secretary of State  Rice to get out of Malaysia because Ã¢â‚¬Å“you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and LebaneseÃ¢â‚¬Â, why couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the rest of us, in Bersih? A case of Kettle calling the Pot black!&#8221; Jeffrey</p>
<p>Nope. Just a case of double standards.</p>
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		<title>By: motai</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56568</link>
		<dc:creator>motai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment&quot;. 
Robert Maynard Hutchins (American educator)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment&#8221;.<br />
Robert Maynard Hutchins (American educator)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56540</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Ã¢â‚¬Â¦//Ã¢â‚¬Â¦From outset it is very encouraging seeing DAP and PASÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s leaders walking hand in hand like lovers to present the memorandum. everyone knows this is just Hollywood movie in making, marriage for convenient wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t last longÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ non bumis are very wary of PAS, their paramount spiritual male chauvinist leader Tok guru Nik Aziz is full of stupid, and out dated understanding and perception. We must be very cautious not to follow the footsteps of IranÃ¢â‚¬Â¦//Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â Ã¢â‚¬â€œ tsn.

People are so fed up in the government that they revel in an assembly that the government issued no permit and yet could not stop. It is show of force of peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s power. It feels good when government has power and abused it for to long.

People donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t look at the other angle that peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s power was given meaning by Islamic revolutionaries who did not want to play by the rules of the written constitution.

How did Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini seize power from the Shah of Iran backed by American amoury?

He initiated and organized a number of demonstrations in various cities to test waters, improve logistics and organizational methods before organizing bigger and more massive ones ideologically driven by anti-government sentiments progressively escalating with each instance of skulls being cracked, bones being fractured and lives being lost in the hands of security forces opposing the street demonstrations.

Why do you think that PAS supporters were so much easier to mobilize for a street show down and have played a dominant role both in Reformasi demonstrations of the past and the East Coast demonstration and BersihÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s March of late?

Sure our NGOs and Opposition parties support these demonstrations as they are for a good democratic cause and  seem to be the only way to make the government listen and change. 

But one successful demonstration begets more and more and bigger and bigger to come and who knows where this will all lead toÃ¢â‚¬Â¦..

NGOs and Opposition Parties have demanded adherence to and upholding of the Federal Constitution in opposition to some within UMNO declaring an Islamic State. They have forgotten to ask whether a show of power via street demonstrations is consistent with abiding with and upholding the Federal Constitution in respect to political change!

Yes, thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s an argument here if UMNO Youth deputy Khairy Jamaluddin, could organise a demonstration in front of the convention centre that hosted the Asean Regional Forum (ARF), demanding United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to get out of Malaysia because &quot;you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and Lebanese&quot;, why couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the rest of us, in Bersih? A case of Kettle calling the Pot black!
 
But have no illusion about that : when did KJ say he would place the Constitution above the Islamic state? To which sector was he playing the gallery?

Demonstrating and demanding United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to get out of whatever place she is because &quot;you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and Lebanese&quot; is exactly what Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini would have done were he alive today in another situation and in his own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Ã¢â‚¬Â¦//Ã¢â‚¬Â¦From outset it is very encouraging seeing DAP and PASÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s leaders walking hand in hand like lovers to present the memorandum. everyone knows this is just Hollywood movie in making, marriage for convenient wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t last longÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ non bumis are very wary of PAS, their paramount spiritual male chauvinist leader Tok guru Nik Aziz is full of stupid, and out dated understanding and perception. We must be very cautious not to follow the footsteps of IranÃ¢â‚¬Â¦//Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â Ã¢â‚¬â€œ tsn.</p>
<p>People are so fed up in the government that they revel in an assembly that the government issued no permit and yet could not stop. It is show of force of peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s power. It feels good when government has power and abused it for to long.</p>
<p>People donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t look at the other angle that peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s power was given meaning by Islamic revolutionaries who did not want to play by the rules of the written constitution.</p>
<p>How did Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini seize power from the Shah of Iran backed by American amoury?</p>
<p>He initiated and organized a number of demonstrations in various cities to test waters, improve logistics and organizational methods before organizing bigger and more massive ones ideologically driven by anti-government sentiments progressively escalating with each instance of skulls being cracked, bones being fractured and lives being lost in the hands of security forces opposing the street demonstrations.</p>
<p>Why do you think that PAS supporters were so much easier to mobilize for a street show down and have played a dominant role both in Reformasi demonstrations of the past and the East Coast demonstration and BersihÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s March of late?</p>
<p>Sure our NGOs and Opposition parties support these demonstrations as they are for a good democratic cause and  seem to be the only way to make the government listen and change. </p>
<p>But one successful demonstration begets more and more and bigger and bigger to come and who knows where this will all lead toÃ¢â‚¬Â¦..</p>
<p>NGOs and Opposition Parties have demanded adherence to and upholding of the Federal Constitution in opposition to some within UMNO declaring an Islamic State. They have forgotten to ask whether a show of power via street demonstrations is consistent with abiding with and upholding the Federal Constitution in respect to political change!</p>
<p>Yes, thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s an argument here if UMNO Youth deputy Khairy Jamaluddin, could organise a demonstration in front of the convention centre that hosted the Asean Regional Forum (ARF), demanding United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to get out of Malaysia because &#8220;you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and Lebanese&#8221;, why couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the rest of us, in Bersih? A case of Kettle calling the Pot black!</p>
<p>But have no illusion about that : when did KJ say he would place the Constitution above the Islamic state? To which sector was he playing the gallery?</p>
<p>Demonstrating and demanding United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to get out of whatever place she is because &#8220;you have done nothing to stop the genocide and the murder of Palestinians and Lebanese&#8221; is exactly what Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini would have done were he alive today in another situation and in his own country.</p>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56499</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racial superiority does exixt in rhetorics.

They have to prove in deeds and action that they are superior.

What we have here are people who like to shout that they superior. Who believe? Besides they themselves, no one else!

What a pity?

What more rights are they defending when they have taken everything conceivable in the country, from education, contracts procurement, jobs, employment, licenses.... except the brain and intelligence of other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racial superiority does exixt in rhetorics.</p>
<p>They have to prove in deeds and action that they are superior.</p>
<p>What we have here are people who like to shout that they superior. Who believe? Besides they themselves, no one else!</p>
<p>What a pity?</p>
<p>What more rights are they defending when they have taken everything conceivable in the country, from education, contracts procurement, jobs, employment, licenses&#8230;. except the brain and intelligence of other.</p>
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		<title>By: tsn</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56467</link>
		<dc:creator>tsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not worry not much about ending up in rehabilitation centres, obviously the authority does not have fund to build so many. Even a simple, coarse building will cost as much as Agong palace, before you have chance to stay in, the building implore like cards house.

From outset it is very encouraging seeing DAP and PAS&#039;s leaders walking hand in hand like lovers to present the memorandum. everyone knows this is just Hollywood movie in making, marriage for convenient won&#039;t last long. Deep inside the heart, non bumis are very wary of PAS, their paramount spiritual male chauvinist leader Tok guru Nik Aziz  is full of stupid,  and out dated understanding and perception. We must be very cautious not to follow the footsteps of Iran, corruption epidemic never recuperate, public delivery system as hopeless as before revolution(some even perceive it is worse than Shah&#039;s era), an even more fanatical, unstable, disconnected from reality leaders at the helm. If we end up in this state, Muslims could seek refuge from theirs religion by comforting themselve they are more pious now and therefore much nearer to the place they crave to go, whereas non-Muslim will be in foul hell.

Frankly, I believe a lot of us are at the crossroads, do not know what the future holds, each side has its own deadly boobytraps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not worry not much about ending up in rehabilitation centres, obviously the authority does not have fund to build so many. Even a simple, coarse building will cost as much as Agong palace, before you have chance to stay in, the building implore like cards house.</p>
<p>From outset it is very encouraging seeing DAP and PAS&#8217;s leaders walking hand in hand like lovers to present the memorandum. everyone knows this is just Hollywood movie in making, marriage for convenient won&#8217;t last long. Deep inside the heart, non bumis are very wary of PAS, their paramount spiritual male chauvinist leader Tok guru Nik Aziz  is full of stupid,  and out dated understanding and perception. We must be very cautious not to follow the footsteps of Iran, corruption epidemic never recuperate, public delivery system as hopeless as before revolution(some even perceive it is worse than Shah&#8217;s era), an even more fanatical, unstable, disconnected from reality leaders at the helm. If we end up in this state, Muslims could seek refuge from theirs religion by comforting themselve they are more pious now and therefore much nearer to the place they crave to go, whereas non-Muslim will be in foul hell.</p>
<p>Frankly, I believe a lot of us are at the crossroads, do not know what the future holds, each side has its own deadly boobytraps.</p>
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		<title>By: madmix</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56458</link>
		<dc:creator>madmix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are taking a leaf off Mao Tse Tung&#039;s cultural revolution, sending Capitalist roaders off to rural farms for rehab. Maybe they should build a facility deep in the jungles of Sarawak to send deviants from Islam, Malay culture, demonstrators etc there to do 5 years hard labour. 
Unfortunately, Mao&#039;s rehab didn&#039;t work, China has become more capitalistic than some capitalist nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are taking a leaf off Mao Tse Tung&#8217;s cultural revolution, sending Capitalist roaders off to rural farms for rehab. Maybe they should build a facility deep in the jungles of Sarawak to send deviants from Islam, Malay culture, demonstrators etc there to do 5 years hard labour.<br />
Unfortunately, Mao&#8217;s rehab didn&#8217;t work, China has become more capitalistic than some capitalist nations.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ Angus</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56457</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the government is seeking ways to keep all those surplus employees on its payroll.

Some of those kids just followed their parents and probably did not know they were going to be part of an illegal gathering.

Methinks a few of them can be influenced to become potential bomb masters. After all we did produce a few international terrorists of note.

http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/11/bersih-rallythe-aftermath.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the government is seeking ways to keep all those surplus employees on its payroll.</p>
<p>Some of those kids just followed their parents and probably did not know they were going to be part of an illegal gathering.</p>
<p>Methinks a few of them can be influenced to become potential bomb masters. After all we did produce a few international terrorists of note.</p>
<p><a href="http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/11/bersih-rallythe-aftermath.html" rel="nofollow">http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/11/bersih-rallythe-aftermath.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: borrring</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56455</link>
		<dc:creator>borrring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;political rehabilitation...faith rehabilitation centres&quot;...while they are it, why not have &quot;mat repit rehab centres, rapist rehab centres, etc&quot;....

Well said Farish Noor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;political rehabilitation&#8230;faith rehabilitation centres&#8221;&#8230;while they are it, why not have &#8220;mat repit rehab centres, rapist rehab centres, etc&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well said Farish Noor</p>
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		<title>By: 9to5</title>
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		<dc:creator>9to5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s scary that this government is becoming more tyrant by the day. I suppose, people who voted for oppositions will be sent to rehabilitation next!

Absolute power corrupts absolutely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s scary that this government is becoming more tyrant by the day. I suppose, people who voted for oppositions will be sent to rehabilitation next!</p>
<p>Absolute power corrupts absolutely!</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad part really is they don&#039;t get it that it is a good thing. They can&#039;t appreciate that despite all their effort, those who participated did it peacefully, well organized and executed. Its something to be proud off.

The mistake would be to push it so that they turn violent and uncrontrolled. 

Demonstration is a Malaysian culture where our founding fathers did so for independence and Malaysia ideals but we did it peacefully. If it turns violent, its not those that did it that we have to look at, but the government given so much advantage it cannot avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part really is they don&#8217;t get it that it is a good thing. They can&#8217;t appreciate that despite all their effort, those who participated did it peacefully, well organized and executed. Its something to be proud off.</p>
<p>The mistake would be to push it so that they turn violent and uncrontrolled. </p>
<p>Demonstration is a Malaysian culture where our founding fathers did so for independence and Malaysia ideals but we did it peacefully. If it turns violent, its not those that did it that we have to look at, but the government given so much advantage it cannot avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin Kit&#8217;s Garden &#187; Random Links 196 (Bersih Malaysia &#8220;After 1 Week&#8221; Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sivin Kit&#8217;s Garden &#187; Random Links 196 (Bersih Malaysia &#8220;After 1 Week&#8221; Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rehabilitation for whom? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rehabilitation for whom? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jackychin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56441</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackychin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YB LIM,

It is so true, very well said, i am so touced...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YB LIM,</p>
<p>It is so true, very well said, i am so touced&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/11/17/rehabilitation-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-56436</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In American parlance, our ruling elite has got sh!t for brains.  Years down the road, when the country is on its knees from the stealing, from the braindrain, the ministers will resort to doing what Mugabe&#039;s ministers have done:


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/16/mugabe.witchdoc.ap/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In American parlance, our ruling elite has got sh!t for brains.  Years down the road, when the country is on its knees from the stealing, from the braindrain, the ministers will resort to doing what Mugabe&#8217;s ministers have done:</p>
<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/16/mugabe.witchdoc.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/16/mugabe.witchdoc.ap/index.html</a></p>
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